Nazis one and all. Hitler would have envied the crowd control

These days isn't everyone offended by anything with the bu$h name on it? Yup, even the cheerleaders.

McCain better not **** with us librarians.

They can't take these "signs" away:

http://www.geocities.com/trixumbia/mooning.jpg

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
"When even one American -- who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." HST

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

And the inept reich-wing media is silent because it doesn't make Obama look bad.

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 10:

earl @ 9:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
"When even one American -- who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." HST

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

Harry Truman

Too early for jokes, solly.

The American Cover-Up, the move to silence Whistle-Blowers who know about Why FISA is being sidestepped.

Ok, I think this is ridiculous like everyone else, but I'll play devil's advocate for a bit - is it possible that NO signs were allowed at this rally? I mean none whatsoever? Just want to make sure before I start passing this along.

Rove is censoring Pelosi. What has he got on her? Time to find out crooksandliars.

Because the BushCo industry has no tolerance for truth of any kind.

What it doesn't mention was how her house was burned to the ground by Rove's brownshirts shortly thereafter.

Got Fascism ?

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let's not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

Sigh @ 26:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let's not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That whole thing was a setup from the beginning. It was designed to be a lose-lose for Obama. If he leaves the women there then Fox says, "Muslims Standing with Obama? What is His connection?"

And we saw what happened with the other option. "Obama had Muslims removed."

were fooked

proper fooked

but there is an alternative....

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That whole thing was a setup from the beginning. It was designed to be a lose-lose for Obama. If he leaves the women there then Fox says, “Muslims Standing with Obama? What is His connection?”

And we saw what happened with the other option. “Obama had Muslims removed.”

So he doesn't have the spine to stand up to FOX News and say, yeah, so what, I respect people of all faiths? Don;t get me wrong, I'm going to vote for him but his sudden rush to be all things to everyone is a little disconcerting.

I called McCain's office and I told the guy that answers the phone what happened and he laughed, not like "oh that's funny" laugh,

more like a "omg what has he said or done now" laugh. Call him!!

When the presidential debates are held, if Obama says that McCain will equal four more years of bush, will Obama be taken out of the debate?

Legal action needs to be taken against the police. There must be sanctions, financial or otherwise to bring this unlawful enforcement to an end.

What it truly frightening is that this is the same secret service that is protecting Barack.

Look at it this way, if she had gotten into the event and held up her sign the wingnuts would have beaten the crap out of the diminutive,thoughtful, kind,public servant, because, frankly, she is not one of them.

So ... municipally funded, on duty, in uniform police officers are providing security detail for a R. Pres. candidate?
Isnt the convention coming up soon? Good luck with that.

Ticketed for holding a sign by in uniform, on duty police ...

The Convention? good luck with that.

The charge of trespassing is used to control thought crime. Only those who reveal that they harbor negative thoughts about the candidate are trespassing, while everyone else is not.

Remember, remember
In early November
The NeoCon treason & plot.
I know of no reason
Why the NeoCon treason
Should ever be forgot!

TPRA

Protester's McCain sign nets date with a judge
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9812206

A 60-year-old librarian received a trespassing ticket Monday after a liberal group's protest outside John McCain's town-hall meeting.

Clutching a sign that read "McCain = Bush," Carol Kreck was removed from the atrium of the Denver Performing Arts Complex by four Denver police officers.

Kreck — a former Denver Post reporter who works part time as a librarian for an education think tank — said she was removed as she quizzed a police officer about whether he could deny her free-speech rights "on city property" by taking away her sign, while McCain supporters wore buttons inside.

Jenny Schiavone, a spokeswoman for the performing arts center, said the venue is city-owned rental property but is not legally defined as public property.
The liberal group ProgressNowAction had called the center before the event and asked about being inside the atrium, she said. The group was told it would have to rent space or use previously designated protest areas along the street, Schiavone said.

Detective John White, a spokesman for the Denver Police Department, said officers acted as they would have for any complaint on private property.

"Our officers received a signed complaint from a security guard at a private event and acted accordingly," he said.

Tom Kise, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said that he did not know about Kreck's ouster but that the town-hall-style meeting was open to supporters and opponents.

"All the campaign asked for is a respectful dialogue," Kise said.

"What's disrespectful about pointing out that attendees voted for Bush and would be voting for McCain?" Kreck said of her sign.

bold is mine ..

Meanwhile, on the other side of the World ..

U.S. issues "insulting" Berlusconi biography
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0835747020080708

G8 summit: George W Bush apologises for Silvio Berlusconi blunder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/2268247/G8-summit...

Maybe she was too young to attend the rally.

At a "private event" on "private property" the owner of the property, or the renter of the property, or the sponsor of the event have every right to demand the removal of any person for any reason - or for no reason.

And the police are obligated to remove or arrest the person.

So the police are not at fault here.

But the McCain crowd is - they're the ones who made the request.

Clemdog @ 50:

Seriously @ 16:

Ok, I think this is ridiculous like everyone else, but I'll play devil's advocate for a bit - is it possible that NO signs were allowed at this rally? I mean none whatsoever? Just want to make sure before I start passing this along.

Appreciate your choice of wording as "devil's advocate", but NO signs "allowed"?!? America has become unrecognizable to me when it's citizens accept NO signs allowed in peaceable protest or support at political events held in public arenas. Of course, the devil in this case, being the sinister and vile neocons and their recent adoptee, McSame. Seriously, Seriously, please don't be their advocate.

haha - don't worry, I'm not their advocate. I just like to make sure all facts are correct.

[49]...city-owned rental property but is not legally defined as public property.

Let's see now. City owned = Public Works. Leased out to conventions, not long term tenants. See how their working this? Only "landowners have rights." And all that tax money you paid for these public works, well, you don't own squat. The streets, the buildings, the land, the parks, well, you can use them only as long as we and the powers that be say you can. The "privilege" to revoke your access is reserved by us, the Benevolant Overlords.

Sigh @ 31:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That whole thing was a setup from the beginning. It was designed to be a lose-lose for Obama. If he leaves the women there then Fox says, “Muslims Standing with Obama? What is His connection?”

And we saw what happened with the other option. “Obama had Muslims removed.”

So he doesn't have the spine to stand up to FOX News and say, yeah, so what, I respect people of all faiths? Don;t get me wrong, I'm going to vote for him but his sudden rush to be all things to everyone is a little disconcerting.

It's not that he doesn't have the spine, it wouldn't have mattered if he did, the effect of the visual was going to be worse for him than the removal. And some of the sheep are going to realize that. They understand he was going to get smeared if God forbid he have Muslims at his back. Half of these idiots believe he swore on the Koran. He can respect people of faiths and know how the political slime machine works, and it doesn't have a damned thing to do with the truth, only what paparazzi picture they can come up with next, and a lot of Americans are starting to figure it out as well.

Should I be renaming myself Space_Hussien_Poet or something?

[64]SHe was hardly “disappeared,” kit.

Don't put it past 'em. They are entirely capable.

The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. Try to take a politcal sign into a shopping mall and see what happens.

One wonders if what happened to this librarian will be repeated at the Democratic convention this summer in Denver if people were to hold signs and chant Out of Iraq Now! and Out of Afghanistan Now! Would Obama and the rest of the Democrats tolerate this type of dissent at their convention?

Anyplace defined as private property is off limits to political speech the legal owner does not want expressed. This applies to places temporarily designated as private property. If the legal owner (and that includes rentor) of a property does not want you there for any reason (political or otherwise) you can be removed.

[67]
But a shopping mall is private property, not "publicly owned."

Sorry i am not a lawyer, i can't site the case in particular, but as a long time protester i know the limits. This is not to say i agree with them. Shopping malls have become our town squares. As such this law has outlawed political speech in the town squares across the country.

Downtown Salt Lake City has a huge section owned by the Mormon church where free speech is expressly prohibited.

The solution to freedom of speech appears to be privatization.

74 Rusty the Hated Blogger Shackleford Says: xoites defends Constitution @ 67:

The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. Try to take a politcal sign into a shopping mall and see what happens.

But this is allegedly “city-owned rental property”, which is different from a purely privately-owned shopping mall.

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Correct, which means when somebody is renting it they are the lawful owners unless the rental agreement is interupted.

Dr. Hussein Matt @ 72:

Erroll @ 69:
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Translated.

It is always encouraging and heart warming to see how the Obamamaniacs resort to emotional outbursts rather than any kind of intellectual argument and critical thinking in defending the positions of their candidate.

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Wow - getting all bent out of shape for one person holding a sign.

Good luck with security in Minneapolis when several thousand protesters show up...

(You gotta love Pea Man in the back!)

xoites defends Constitution @ 80:

Painting with a broad brush today, Doctor Matt?

No. Are you?

75 xoites defends Constitution Says:
The solution to freedom of speech appears to be privatization.

Exactly. We've had people being rousted on the streets for holding signs at Bush events. Free Speech zones, etc. Now beginning to include publicly owned properties as well. Something worth watching -- and where does the line get drawn.

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dmhlt @ 86:

Anyone know when Ms. Kreck's court date is scheduled for her citation/ticket?

Now THAT should be a fun appearance!

Lights ... Cameras ... ACTION!!!

I'd like to know if she will accept monetary donations or free representation for her defense. If so, sign me up.

Rusty the Hated Blogger Shackleford @ 88:

Dr. Hussein Matt @ 70:

xoites defends Constitution @ 67:

The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. Try to take a politcal sign into a shopping mall and see what happens.

What was the case and ruling?

Xoites is absolutely correct on this point. A privately-owned shopping mall is not a public forum for free speech purposes. The Supreme Court case is Hudgens v. NLRB.

States can constitutionally expand free speech protection to include shopping malls, and Colorado has done so. But this was not a shopping mall. That's why I think this would be an interesting case.

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You know what's sad is that this little old librarian was the only person protesting. I'm glad I grew up in the 60s.

Ms. Kreck proved her point instantly:
McCain = Bush
They feel so threatened by the Democratic public they have them removed. They are only comfortable spewing their garbage when it is a totally pure Repub audience.

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The speech between Matt and Erroll is not free. They will need to pay someone to listen to it.

Actually McCain's handlers had the woman removed because they thought McCain might get confused and start reading the sign thinking it was a teleprompter.

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103 Rusty the Hated Blogger Shackleford Says: My First Amendment jurisprudence skills are rusty. Where’s Karen when you need her?

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I think she is working on her Phd. She stopped by the other day very briefly.

I don't expect the Democratic Convention to be tolerant of much of anything. It never has been before.

Erroll @ 107:

#101-Xoites

it would appear, as the title of this post states, that the more things change, the more they remain the same.

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The McSame meme is powerful and true. The right wing knows it, that's why they harassed this librarian.

You guys need to get a thread.

The turd in the tan jacket who spoke to the lady first, I spotted him directly behind McDope at another rally, on Olberman last nite. It could have been the rally in Dever! Have you noticed that there isn't much depth (people) at the McDope rallies. They all look the same, 30-40 people and that's it!

116 Pee Wee Says:
They all look the same, 30-40 people and that’s it!

Maybe they ARE the same people. Who'd notice. ;-)

A good suggestion for future attendees at these "open" forums is to take in 3 separates signs (preferably by 3 separate people), one reading "McCain," another "=" and the last reading "Bush." Unless the signs are held up in sequence (which, once inside, they would), the police or secret service would really have to be stretching their authority (once again) to dismiss the attendees based on 3 seemingly individual innocuous signs.

It would be interesting to try.

If McCain comes back to Cincinnati, I may be very tempted to get some friends of mine together to try this at his next "open forum."

Her sign should have been titled 4 more years period.

And show the picture the American Eagle beside it. You know how Republicans love the American Eagle picture, to the point of branding it for themselves only.

CafeenMan @ 29:

"Ma'am? I understand you don't like me. But I want you to stay because I want at least one oppurtunity to tell you why you should like me. Are you willing to give me a chance and listen to me?"

What you don't say is, "The other guy would have you thrown out." Because if you do say that it sounds like you rehearsed this so you don't want to say it in any way that doesn't sound perfectly natural. She might still not vote for you but anyone witnessing it will be impressed - and that includes people on the fence.

Exactly. What happened to the political savvy in the political process? This was his chance to address the issue of the 'third Bush term' in front of a predominantly supportive crowd, and instead he went for the brown shirts. He's not going to convince anyone he's not Bush, but it was a chance for the media outlets to lead with "McCain spurns Bush legacy" vs. "McCain hates young people." (She was only 61...) I don't understand stupid moves like this, but I'm glad he keeps making them...

Maybe I'm just pining for a savvy time that never really existed...

These controlled environments seem to be the political reality for campaigns. The Obama took away pro Hillary signs and set up "Free Speech" areas at his recent Unity, NH rally.

Why did the Republicans who were holding this town hall meeting find this sign offensive? I thought Bush was their hero, I thought Mccain was their hero.

In 2005, George W. Bush hosted a town-hall meeting in Denver, at which three law-abiding, ticket-holding Americans were removed from a public event because officials didn’t like the bumper sticker on their car.

Three years later, John McCain hosted a town-hall meeting in Denver, and a law-abiding American was removed from a public event because officials didn’t like her homemade sign.

Barack Obama to make acceptance speech in front of 80,000+ at Mile High Sta.. oops, Invesco Field in Denver. ALL are invited regardless of political affiliation or pre-disposed biases.

This election will force America to chose between radical fascist extremism on the right, or Freedom and Hope on the left.

Decisions, decisions....

Jesusturnedwaterboardingintowhine @ 20:

Rove is censoring Pelosi. What has he got on her? Time to find out crooksandliars.

According to this article, Congressional approval has just fallen into SINGLE digits!

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/cong...

I hope to God Cindy Sheehan gets the signatures she needs to qualify for the ballot in San Fran. for her independent run against Pelosi.

I'm sorry, obviously the sign was meant to imply that McCain is nothing more than another Bush term. Plus the deal with Banana man accompanying her, I mean come on.

I want a challenge for you to find a conservative person, make a sign that says "Obama=Kerry", bring along Banana man with pictures of Kerry and Obama plastered all over it, and see how far they make it inside one of Obama's events.

The lady obviously wanted to create a ruckus. You all are over exaggerating this incident.

Erroll @ 72:

One wonders if what happened to this librarian will be repeated at the Democratic convention this summer in Denver if people were to hold signs and chant Out of Iraq Now! and Out of Afghanistan Now! Would Obama and the rest of the Democrats tolerate this type of dissent at their convention?

Ha!!!!

Obama's planning on giving his nomination acceptance speech at a freakin' open air football stadium in front of 75,000 people! There are BOUND to be some progressive Democrats who get in! Heck, I'd venture to guess that even among the hard core Pelosi/Reid lovers in the crowd there will be plenty of anti-war folks ready to do some kind of chant.

"The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching!" Etc. Etc. Etc.

Must see TV with a seven second delay.

Why didn´t they just shoot the old lady? She will just continue spreading this lie. Bush is slightly taller than McCain I swear.

Old librarians are crazy people with too much experience with the written word. I say we go with instincts and my instincts tell me she was a dangerous person.

Joe Tseng @ 119:

I've skipped many posts here because they seem to be getting off the topic. I don't know about all the details regarding "trespassing" laws, but bringing a political sign to an open political event and being charged with trespassing??

What's next? Can't speak your opinion at a political convention?

check.

Have to sign loyalty oaths?

check.

Look, dress, and act a certain way?

check.

Scan the chip in your hand to see how you voted in the past?

check.

Scan your thought patterns for anti-republican tendencies?

check.

Ask if they are currently or have ever been a practicing homosexual?

Check.

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Why do Republicums hate their president so much that comparing him to anyone else is criminal?

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Sigh @ 28:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let's not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That's true, but he apologized for it, didn't he?

28 Sigh Says:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

But did Obama have them thrown out because of their freedom to voice an opinion?

... Not so much the same... NO?

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