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Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

I'm still fixated on The New Yorker:

David Remnick Claims ‘It Coulda’ Been Worse’ ... But the New Yorker ‘Cartoon Dogs’ Are Still Pissed!

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

Karl Rove denies political ties taint Fox News role

Former White House aide Karl Rove denied on Monday that his close ties with Republican politics and John McCain's presidential campaign undermine his credibility as an election analyst for the Fox News Channel.

. . .

Asked whether Rove was on "the honor system" regarding his contacts with top McCain campaign operatives such as Steve Schmidt, Moody replied: "He's always on the honor system. All of our employees are."

Guardian UK: Google and Viacom reach deal over YouTube user data

Google has struck a deal to protect the personal data of millions of YouTube users in the $1bn (£497m) copyright court case brought against the video-sharing website by Viacom.

Under the deal, Google will make user information and internet protocol addresses from its YouTube subsidiary anonymous before handing over the data to Viacom in the US legal case.

From the agreement itself:

When producing data from the Logging Database pursuant to the Order, Defendants shall substitute values while preserving uniqueness for entries in the following fields: User ID, IP Address and Visitor ID. The parties shall agree as promptly as feasible on a specific protocol to govern this substitution whereby each unique value contained in these fields shall be assigned a correlative unique substituted value, and preexisting interdependencies shall be retained in the version of the data produced. Defendants shall promptly (no later than 7 business days after execution of this Stipulation) provide a proposed protocol for this substitution. Defendants agree to reasonably consult with Plaintiffs’ consultant if necessary to reach agreement on the protocol.

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

umm yah but the dollar got shit kicked by the euro today

The Bible, Police, Control, Rights - George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=related

George Carlin on the Bible, the police, control, rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=related

McTooStoopidToBeADecentNeoCon!!!!!!!

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Bush Medicare Veto Quickly Overridden: The Senate voted Tuesday to override President Bush’s veto of legislation that reverses a 10.6 percent cut in Medicare fees to physicians. The 70-26 Senate vote followed action by the House earlier in the day. The lower chamber voted 383-41 to enact the bill over Bush’s objections. 7/16

The Legacy of a Lunatic -- Retrospective of a Failed Presidency 7/16

It's like the country is completing an 8-year sentence. The crime is Ignorant, Arrogant Laziness in failing to uphold our own Democracy.

skippy @ 3:

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

so do I. it would be fair and balanced, if the ny'er would cartoon
mcfuckhead and ms illegal carnal for sale on a cover, with mcf's
last wife on life-support as c pulls the plug. that's just
what she and mcfuckhead appear to have done.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 10:

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Will we see that in our media?

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

Hey, whose all going to Netroots Nation?

If you are going to be there, I suggest checking out the Space Policy panel - with Chris Bowers, Lori Garver, George Whitesides, and Patricia Grace Smith

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Ron @ 14:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 10:

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Will we see that in our media?

certainly not the SCLM.

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

Charles @ 18:

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

I think I have read that many of these are corporate owned vs state or federally run.

Charles @ 18:

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

Just being curious. Can you give me the location of one of these concentration camps?

An entry for Colbert's "Make McCain Interesting" green screen challenge I did with a friend. Bush and McCain together in the scariest movie trailer of the summer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMQ8KO309g

skippy @ 3:

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

Hey Skippy,

Offensive, yes... But DUMB?... Oy vey! Beyond dumb.

Why arm the low-information crowd with such an image?

For them there are no words, just pictures. Regards

What The New York Times Won't Tell You About Joe Lieberman: 'The first is that during the 2006 campaign against Ned Lamont, Lieberman and his aides vowed multiple times that he would continue caucusing with the Democrats. The second is that Lieberman also vowed to help elect a Democrat to the White House in 2008.' 7/16

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

Brian Farrelly @ 22:

An entry for Colbert's "Make McCain Interesting" green screen challenge I did with a friend. Bush and McCain together in the scariest movie trailer of the summer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMQ8KO309g

What was the chick saying? We are fucked by having both or the McSame in charge.

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Here's another site that talks about the FEMA camps.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 28:

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Yepper. We've been bought and sold long ago. We are just another commodity like oil or pork bellies. To be brainwashed, microchipped, told what to do, and killed off whenever THEY want us dead by whatever method(s) they dream up.

These people are beyond ruthless. They have no ethics. They don't give a shit about us. They want us controlled or dead. That's the only choice we have. Submission or death.

Charles @ 30:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 28:

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Yepper. We've been bought and sold long ago. We are just another commodity like oil or pork bellies. To be brainwashed, microchipped, told what to do, and killed off whenever THEY want us dead by whatever method(s) they dream up.

Soylan Green comes to mind.

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

Charles @ 31:

These people are beyond ruthless. They have no ethics. They don't give a shit about us. They want us controlled or dead. That's the only choice we have. Submission or death.

they really do not understand that if they get what they want, there is no profit in it.

Ron Says...Yes sir. We may be eating soylent green in a few years. If we live that long.

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

why so optimistic?

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You're already a prisoner?

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 37:

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

why so optimistic?

Because I know who runs this planet.

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

I've read Tom Clancy too. It's called fiction.

Ron @ 38:

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You're already a prisoner?

I'm the only person who never gets to leave. Damn you're right.

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

Oh, and just how are you "not planning on participating?"

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

Charles @ 35:

Ron Says...Yes sir. We may be eating soylent green in a few years. If we live that long.

let's see....
there's swiss chocolate
there's milk chocolate
there's white chocolate
there's mocha
there's lemon

I guess it depends on whose turn it is in the ovens.

I wonder if they'll be selling lampshades at bed, bath and beyond!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

gm can thank their collusion with oil companies for this. they were leading in alternative propulsion when they canned the projects and went all out for trucks and suvs in every line from caddy to saturn. the results speak for themselves.

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

I hope he does not fly small planes.

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

Bunkers to house the government have been in existence since the advent of nuclear weapons. They are not new. I was always curious about who they we're planning on governing in the event of a nuclear war. Mutated cockroaches and rats would have been about the only survivors.

EliteLemming @ 46:

fer charles

I've seen it. I think Carlin was right on.

Peter G @ 49:

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

Bunkers to house the government have been in existence since the advent of nuclear weapons. They are not new. I was always curious about who they we're planning on governing in the event of a nuclear war. Mutated cockroaches and rats would have been about the only survivors.

Of course. Mount Weather is one of them. The congress has theirs somewhere in West Virginia. And of course everyone knows about NORAD.

Have you seen the new Orkin commercial where it shows a post apocolypic world where there are only roaches and the Orkin man still alive? The morons will be underground and still sending out the Orkin man to take care of the pests until the radiation levels go down enough! Hahahaha!

If they release a virus and it wipes out half the population or more, they could slither underground and come back up after a year or two. That way the bodies would have already decomposed. They would then just find some slaves to mow the grass and it would be back to the golf course or the beach.

Answering terror with terror

In "The Dark Side," Jane Mayer chronicles the terrible, destructive decisions the Bush administration made in the name of fighting terrorism.

By Louis Bayard
July 15, 2008 | We can't say we weren't warned.

The very first Sunday after the 9/11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney descended like a cloud on "Meet the Press" to outline the Bush administration's response. "We'll have to work sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies -- if we are going to be successful. That's the world these folks operate in. And, uh, so it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically, to achieve our objectives."

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 51:

'Police ordered angry customers lined up outside an IndyMac Bank branch to remain calm or face arrest Tuesday as they tried to pull their money on the second day of the failed institution's federal takeover.' 7/16

Customers furious in Day 2 of IndyMac fed takeover

Stand in line, be calm or....we'll arrest you? Yes, I read about that. Pretty telling. That scene will be repeating itself more than a few times around the country in the next month or two.

Atlanta Journal Constitution - Second hearing for Carter

It turns out that Carter was right after all.

He was right in seeking to raise the fleet auto mileage standard to 48 miles per gallon by 1995. (Even U.S. automakers admitted at the time that they could easily achieve 30 mpg by 1985.)

Carter was right in exhorting Americans to turn down their thermostats, even if he did look nerdy in a cardigan while urging us to do so.

In his July 1979 speech, he was right when he said, "I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 —- never." That worthy goal quickly went by the board.

He was right to encourage fuel conservation by proposing a 50-cents-per-gallon tax on gasoline and a fee on imported oil —- in effect, a floor for fuel prices.

Invoking the pioneering spirit of the 1960s moon mission, he was right to recommend a tax on windfall oil profits to finance a crash program to develop affordable synthetic fuels.

Carter was correct, too, in setting a goal of obtaining 20 percent of our energy from solar power by the year 2000.

We balked, and his energy program, which was new and demanding, shriveled up and died. When oil prices began declining in the 1980s, the justification for change vanished altogether.

The Reagan administration junked the proposed 1995 mileage standard and the rest of the Carter agenda.

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You see this wrong.. All the fenced area's will be for the happy rich free. Outside will be the big concentration camp. As in Brave New World.

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Wmd's were fiction. Iraq attacking us was fiction. Spreading democracy (by killing\illegal torturing\them all over there) is fiction.

Famine, inflation, poisened foods, illegal wiretapping all, severe energy overpricing, concentration camps, record debts, record failures due to the record profiting rich ruling with immunity are a fact.

Did you listen to the news to see what's safe to eat today? Get used to it.

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

I could use a tasty beverage...

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

Charles @ 62:

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

EliteLemming @ 61:

I could use a tasty beverage...

To wash down that bite of Kahuna burger before you shoot Brad?

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Disclaimer: Stolen from Booondocks...

Cas @ 68:

Charles @ 62:

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

You...not so bright. Actually, when you heat water in a chamber what happens? It develops pressure. It's a matter of turning that pressure into torque. It's trivial.

constituent @ 67:

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:
GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

no it's GM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer

constituent @ 67:

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:
GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

They're not even good fer dat...

Charles @ 71:

Cas @ 68:

Charles @ 62:

Cas @ 60:

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

You...not so bright. Actually, when you heat water in a chamber what happens? It develops pressure. It's a matter of turning that pressure into torque. It's trivial.

Me not bright, but what is your point? What is wrong with an internal combustion engine?
Or do you think a steam car uses less energy?

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

What ain't no country I ever heard of... they speak English in what???

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Orwell rolls in his grave. Google it.

News:

John Barrow beat Regina Thomas in the 12th congressional district in Georgia.

John Barrow is one of the top Bush Dogs targeted by progressives not only because of his DINO status, but also his support of the FISA bill.

Obama's radio spot supporting Barrow is probably one of the biggest reasons we could not defeat him.

Ron @ 75:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

I'm Thinkin EnRon loophole... Is that hogwash too???

Ron @ 77:

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Orwell rolls in his grave. Google it.

Absolute power?

Ron @ 75:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

i'm wide awake ron.......i know what this about...part of it is recouping by the banks of losses they took on
this is just hardcore"deadwood" capitalism
there may be refinery problems but like i said the other night that's by design

South L.A. is considering a ban on more fast food restaurants. Viacom claims it'll keep your Youtube data secret. Bush lies about the economy(again). Congress overrides Shrub's veto, and lets doctors get paid for their work. A court said an enemy combatant has the right to a trial, but that the U.S. also has the right to snatch him.
Karl Rove pretends to be fair and balanced.

Cas Says... There's nothing wrong with an internal combustion engine. Especially since they don't need be run from gasoline refined from crude oil. That's my whole point. There are a dozen different engine designs and there are dozens of different fuels. So why oil? Because it can be manipulated and controlled by a cartel. These morons don't want you to have cheap, available energy because they wouldn't be able to control you as much.

EliteLemming @ 80:

Ron @ 75:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:
GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

I'm Thinkin EnRon loophole... Is that hogwash too???

No, part of the neocon plan.

Orwell was one of them. He was telling us our future.

The two times the W administration absorbed oil into our petroleum reserves (at $2.25 and $2.75/gallon pricing), the airline industry freaked out and said that would only ensure we (the airlines) would always pay high prices for fuel. Seemed so at the time, but if you knew oil would be going to the mid one hundred dollar level?

The Pentagon lies about Iran(again). The SEC acts too late(again). More E.Coli-filled beef in five states.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69257

airline executives say speculators are to blame for a quater to one half of current barrel of crude
i would think these guys know something
i notice speculation doesn't get much press on the idiot box anyways

Ron... I'm Thinkin'... Hogwash... Mmmmm...

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Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

I hope he does not fly small planes.

Exactly! But, you know, almost no one has seen that, so did it really happen? And maybe he's playing his bit part in the show.

EliteLemming @ 90:

Ron... I'm Thinkin'... Hogwash... Mmmmm...

I want you to think. Connect all of thr dots.

Charles @ 84:

Cas Says... There's nothing wrong with an internal combustion engine. Especially since they don't need be run from gasoline refined from crude oil. That's my whole point. There are a dozen different engine designs and there are dozens of different fuels. So why oil? Because it can be manipulated and controlled by a cartel. These morons don't want you to have cheap, available energy because they wouldn't be able to control you as much.

I know what you mean. if you want cars who run on anything else then refined coal, oil or natural gas, you have only the options of wind, solar on nuclear. These last 3 give you electricity, which you can only use directly (so most efficient), by using a batteries and electric engines. Other option in hydrogen; more and longer power, but not as efficient.
A steam engine is by far less efficient. That is why they stopped using steam cars 100 years ago.

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Cas @ 93:

Charles @ 84:

Cas Says... There's nothing wrong with an internal combustion engine. Especially since they don't need be run from gasoline refined from crude oil. That's my whole point. There are a dozen different engine designs and there are dozens of different fuels. So why oil? Because it can be manipulated and controlled by a cartel. These morons don't want you to have cheap, available energy because they wouldn't be able to control you as much.

I know what you mean. if you want cars who run on anything else then refined coal, oil or natural gas, you have only the options of wind, solar on nuclear. These last 3 give you electricity, which you can only use directly (so most efficient), by using a batteries and electric engines. Other option in hydrogen; more and longer power, but not as efficient.
A steam engine is by far less efficient. That is why they stopped using steam cars 100 years ago.

Bullshit! Put a toilet on that sucka...

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Name one. :)

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

All that I read about... Participation a bitch...

Cas @ 93:

Charles @ 84:

Cas Says... There's nothing wrong with an internal combustion engine. Especially since they don't need be run from gasoline refined from crude oil. That's my whole point. There are a dozen different engine designs and there are dozens of different fuels. So why oil? Because it can be manipulated and controlled by a cartel. These morons don't want you to have cheap, available energy because they wouldn't be able to control you as much.

I know what you mean. if you want cars who run on anything else then refined coal, oil or natural gas, you have only the options of wind, solar on nuclear. These last 3 give you electricity, which you can only use directly (so most efficient), by using a batteries and electric engines. Other option in hydrogen; more and longer power, but not as efficient.
A steam engine is by far less efficient. That is why they stopped using steam cars 100 years ago.

That's not quite true. The main problem with the steam engine (in its external combustion form) is the same problem as the power source. Steam. Have you used a pressure cooker? They're great, but make sure the lid is on tight. They can be very dangerous. There are modern versions, but none of the big manufacturers are on board.

Here's a link (yeah, yeah, wikipedia):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

Sorry, i forgot. They needed guns and blankets and money. Many deserted because they didn't have any of that. A distant enemy helped too.

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

So we wait???

EliteLemming @ 102:

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:
Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

So we wait???

No, we organize. I have been trying to do this for three years now and all people really seem to want to do is complain.

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:

Man.. Rebellions were so much easier back in tha day...

Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

And a Declaration.

Ron @ 104:

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:
Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

And a Declaration.

http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...

Ron @ 104:

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

EliteLemming @ 94:
Yeah, all the patriots had to do is hide and ambush the redcoats. Kind of like what the insurgents and the Taliban are doing now.

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

And a Declaration.

The Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are almost interchangeable, but you are correct.

Charles @ 99:

Cas @ 93:

Charles @ 84:

Cas Says... There's nothing wrong with an internal combustion engine. Especially since they don't need be run from gasoline refined from crude oil. That's my whole point. There are a dozen different engine designs and there are dozens of different fuels. So why oil? Because it can be manipulated and controlled by a cartel. These morons don't want you to have cheap, available energy because they wouldn't be able to control you as much.

I know what you mean. if you want cars who run on anything else then refined coal, oil or natural gas, you have only the options of wind, solar on nuclear. These last 3 give you electricity, which you can only use directly (so most efficient), by using a batteries and electric engines. Other option in hydrogen; more and longer power, but not as efficient.
A steam engine is by far less efficient. That is why they stopped using steam cars 100 years ago.

That's not quite true. The main problem with the steam engine (in its external combustion form) is the same problem as the power source. Steam. Have you used a pressure cooker? They're great, but make sure the lid is on tight. They can be very dangerous. There are modern versions, but none of the big manufacturers are on board.

Here's a link (yeah, yeah, wikipedia):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

And there I read: "However the competition which development of a modern steam-powered vehicle has to consider is not so much from gasoline-powered cars as from electric, hydrogen-powered and hybrid vehicles."

Cas Says...And here is another link:

Steam Car FAQ's

http://ghlin2.greenhills.net/~apatter/steamfaq.html

xoites defends Constitution @ 103:

EliteLemming @ 102:

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

Ron @ 97:

They needed a lot more than that. They needed a focus (given to them by the Bill of Rights), leadership (The Second Continetal Congress) and a Leader (George Washington).

So we wait???

No, we organize. I have been trying to do this for three years now and all people really seem to want to do is complain.

I guess I'm jus a bitch...

EliteLemming @ 109:

xoites defends Constitution @ 103:

EliteLemming @ 102:

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

So we wait???

No, we organize. I have been trying to do this for three years now and all people really seem to want to do is complain.

I guess I'm jus a bitch...

No, you are an American.

What could possibly be more American than complaining?

The declaration needs no change... Just reaffirmation...

EliteLemming @ 112:

The declaration needs no change... Just reaffirmation...

I agree.

xoites defends Constitution @ 111:

What could possibly be more American than complaining?

Some call it whining. Fuck them!

EliteLemming @ 114:

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No, we organize. I have been trying to do this for three years now and all people really seem to want to do is complain.

I guess I'm jus a bitch...

No, you are an American.

Thanx X...

Your welcome.

But i think it is time we Americans got our shit together and start fighting for America (and, no, i am not talking about violence.)

Cas Says...Yes, and what's the pivotal point there? It's development. If the development is funded and the product is manufactured and tested properly, it will work. Whether it's fuel cell, electric, solar, geothermal, electromagnetic, energy pulse generation, zero point fusion, star drive, steam, or anything else you can possibly imagine. There are always going to be infrastructure problems, but so what? If oil was suddenly unavailable tomorrow, what would happen? Some us would, if we were allowed to, would make it through and develop an alternative. It's called alternative because oil has been shoved up our butts.

Ron @ 115:

xoites defends Constitution @ 111:

What could possibly be more American than complaining?

Some call it whining. Fuck them!

Masters often consider their slaves to be whiners. That is nothing new.

xoites... Not talking about violence?

Would you use violence against criminals who broke into your house and were trying to kill you?

Charles @ 108:

Cas Says...And here is another link:

Steam Car FAQ's

http://ghlin2.greenhills.net/~apatter/steamfaq.html

Ok, maybe nowdays they are more efficient than an internal combustion.
But what fuel you want to use?? Coal? Oil? Wood? What problem are you solving?

Charles @ 119:

xoites... Not talking about violence?

Would you use violence against criminals who broke into your house and were trying to kill you?

I'm not talking about violence either, but if I was younger I would.

Charles @ 117:

Cas Says...Yes, and what's the pivotal point there? It's development. If the development is funded and the product is manufactured and tested properly, it will work. Whether it's fuel cell, electric, solar, geothermal, electromagnetic, energy pulse generation, zero point fusion, star drive, steam, or anything else you can possibly imagine. There are always going to be infrastructure problems, but so what? If oil was suddenly unavailable tomorrow, what would happen? Some us would, if we were allowed to, would make it through and develop an alternative. It's called alternative because oil has been shoved up our butts.

Agree. But better stick with the electric car.

Hate to change the subject for a moment, but Ron and X you well on the fire coast?

Charles @ 119:

xoites... Not talking about violence?

Would you use violence against criminals who broke into your house and were trying to kill you?

No, and i have gone over this before. If you want to have a discussion about that, please feel free to email me at repealfisa@gmail.com and we can argue it out.

Attempting to overthrow the United States Government by force is an act of TREASON and you can be shot for even discussing the idea.

I am a non violent activist and will not take part in violence.

I will take part in change for the better.

Cas Says...I need to dig into my email.

There is a very hardy plant that makes seeds which contain oil. I can't remember the name. I will find it. There is extensive research going on right now in India that has world wide support growing. It's not on the news because the butt heads don't want you to know about it.

You can produce all your family's gas needs from one acre. It's totally renewable and the plant actually PUTS nutrients into the soil. I'll go grab it and be back in a few minutes.

I am in Nevada. No Coast in sight. Need sand?

xoites defends Constitution @ 126:

I am in Nevada. No Coast in sight. Need sand?

except a little coast on lake tahoe

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

xoites defends Constitution @ 126:

I am in Nevada. No Coast in sight. Need sand?

Sorry thought you were in Cali... But still hope yer doin' well...

Doing fine. :)

EliteLemming @ 123:

Hate to change the subject for a moment, but Ron and X you well on the fire coast?

No, most of the fires are on the other side of the mountains.

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Charles @ 125:

Cas Says...I need to dig into my email.

There is a very hardy plant that makes seeds which contain oil. I can't remember the name. I will find it. There is extensive research going on right now in India that has world wide support growing. It's not on the news because the butt heads don't want you to know about it.

You can produce all your family's gas needs from one acre. It's totally renewable and the plant actually PUTS nutrients into the soil. I'll go grab it and be back in a few minutes.

I will wait. Yet as I live not far from India, i's daytime and I have to work a bit as well..

Cas Says....Here it is.

The plant is called Jatropha

http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/

If what they are saying about this is true, it could be very promising.

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Many that are killed, did not give anyone a reason to kill them, but I get your point.

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Maybe. All of the violence I see is from media sources.

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Many that are killed, did not give anyone a reason to kill them, but I get your point.

Good. The lottery is easier to win that being killed at random. That is not a suggestion to go out and by a lottery ticket.

Charles @ 136:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Maybe. All of the violence I see is from media sources.

No.. No you don't... Not the real...

xoites... Yes, the lottery is a rip off.

Funny how our media tries to scare the shit out of us about many things that will never happen, but we all know that the most dangerous entity in our lives is our own government.

Charles @ 136:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Anyone that tries to kill me, I will try to kill. I don't give a shit what they're wearing. Uniform, suit or gangbanger. It's not survival of the unfit. And that includes resources.

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Maybe. All of the violence I see is from media sources.

The media's function is to make Americans scared to death of Americans. That way we can't organize and stop this jugernaut of self destruction that lines the pockets of the rich and powerful.

If it bleeds it leads. And it scares people into gated communites and destroys the greater community all at once.

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Many that are killed, did not give anyone a reason to kill them, but I get your point.

Good. The lottery is easier to win that being killed at random. That is not a suggestion to go out and by a lottery ticket.

Realize too, that many die from lack of action.

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Charles @ 128:

Don't give anyone a reason to kill you and i bet you do just fine. Most people on the planet (and i mean 85% plus) never have this ever happen to them. Amazingly a lot of people obsess about this to the point of nuerosis.

Many that are killed, did not give anyone a reason to kill them, but I get your point.

Good. The lottery is easier to win that being killed at random. That is not a suggestion to go out and by a lottery ticket.

maybe we should include deadly auto accidents to better the odds
some cities offer better odds which could bring on the
"neurosis"...cause and effect

Charles @ 139:

xoites... Yes, the lottery is a rip off.

Funny how our media tries to scare the shit out of us about many things that will never happen, but we all know that the most dangerous entity in our lives is our own government.

No, again... Its the lack of involvement in our government...

xoites...Sure. Divide and conquer. The second oldest trick in the book next to RELIGION.

constituent @ 142:

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:
Many that are killed, did not give anyone a reason to kill them, but I get your point.

Good. The lottery is easier to win that being killed at random. That is not a suggestion to go out and by a lottery ticket.

maybe we should include deadly auto accidents to better the odds
some cities offer better odds which could bring on the
"neurosis"...cause and effect

Auto accidents are by far the biggest killer of people in this country than anything else besides smoking. At least i think smoking kills more people.

EliteLemming @ 143:

Charles @ 139:

xoites... Yes, the lottery is a rip off.

Funny how our media tries to scare the shit out of us about many things that will never happen, but we all know that the most dangerous entity in our lives is our own government.

No, again... Its the lack of involvement in our government...

They sure don't lack involvement when they're taking away our rights. They do that with the utmost speed and precision.

If it's good for most humans in this country, that's when they lack involvement.

I drive for a living and i smoke two plus packs a day. I am a daredevil. I will be 52 in October. Nobody has ever tried to kill me.

A few have tried to hurt me but i stopped them without hurting them.

Check out my Jatropha link at 134.

You will not be seeing that on NBC Nightly Lies and Propaganda with Brian Williams.

xoites...You are aware that breathing smoke is insane?

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