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Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

I'm still fixated on The New Yorker:

David Remnick Claims ‘It Coulda’ Been Worse’ ... But the New Yorker ‘Cartoon Dogs’ Are Still Pissed!

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

Karl Rove denies political ties taint Fox News role

Former White House aide Karl Rove denied on Monday that his close ties with Republican politics and John McCain's presidential campaign undermine his credibility as an election analyst for the Fox News Channel.

. . .

Asked whether Rove was on "the honor system" regarding his contacts with top McCain campaign operatives such as Steve Schmidt, Moody replied: "He's always on the honor system. All of our employees are."

Guardian UK: Google and Viacom reach deal over YouTube user data

Google has struck a deal to protect the personal data of millions of YouTube users in the $1bn (£497m) copyright court case brought against the video-sharing website by Viacom.

Under the deal, Google will make user information and internet protocol addresses from its YouTube subsidiary anonymous before handing over the data to Viacom in the US legal case.

From the agreement itself:

When producing data from the Logging Database pursuant to the Order, Defendants shall substitute values while preserving uniqueness for entries in the following fields: User ID, IP Address and Visitor ID. The parties shall agree as promptly as feasible on a specific protocol to govern this substitution whereby each unique value contained in these fields shall be assigned a correlative unique substituted value, and preexisting interdependencies shall be retained in the version of the data produced. Defendants shall promptly (no later than 7 business days after execution of this Stipulation) provide a proposed protocol for this substitution. Defendants agree to reasonably consult with Plaintiffs’ consultant if necessary to reach agreement on the protocol.

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

umm yah but the dollar got shit kicked by the euro today

The Bible, Police, Control, Rights - George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=related

George Carlin on the Bible, the police, control, rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E&feature=related

McTooStoopidToBeADecentNeoCon!!!!!!!

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Bush Medicare Veto Quickly Overridden: The Senate voted Tuesday to override President Bush’s veto of legislation that reverses a 10.6 percent cut in Medicare fees to physicians. The 70-26 Senate vote followed action by the House earlier in the day. The lower chamber voted 383-41 to enact the bill over Bush’s objections. 7/16

The Legacy of a Lunatic -- Retrospective of a Failed Presidency 7/16

It's like the country is completing an 8-year sentence. The crime is Ignorant, Arrogant Laziness in failing to uphold our own Democracy.

skippy @ 3:

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

so do I. it would be fair and balanced, if the ny'er would cartoon
mcfuckhead and ms illegal carnal for sale on a cover, with mcf's
last wife on life-support as c pulls the plug. that's just
what she and mcfuckhead appear to have done.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 10:

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Will we see that in our media?

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

Hey, whose all going to Netroots Nation?

If you are going to be there, I suggest checking out the Space Policy panel - with Chris Bowers, Lori Garver, George Whitesides, and Patricia Grace Smith

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Ron @ 14:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 10:

ldzppln @ 1:

Strong dollar = lower oil prices

Raise taxes on wealthiest Americans, stop wasting money on illegal occupation of Iraq, pay down budget deficit. Dollar goes up, oil goes down.

Maybe we have a start...
Day of Reckoning? Super Rich Tax Cheats Outed by Bank Clerk
Technician in Liechtenstein Turns Over Names of Americans With Secret Bank Accounts
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ

July 15, 2008

Hundreds of super-rich American tax cheats have, in effect, turned themselves in to the IRS after a bank computer technician in the tiny European country of Liechtenstein came forward with the names of US citizens who had set up secret accounts there, according to Washington lawyers investigating the scheme.

Will we see that in our media?

certainly not the SCLM.

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

Charles @ 18:

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

I think I have read that many of these are corporate owned vs state or federally run.

Charles @ 18:

tom @ 15:

There are over 600 known, established, concentration camps built right here in the USA.
They are fully manned, equipped, and fully operational, right now.

I have not heard anyone, including any candidates, address the question,...what exactly are they there for. Nobody! Anywhere! Are they free, or do they cost taxpayers?

Yet, there they exist, in full view, unlike the wmd's under desks, that never, ever, existed. That's a fact. And nobody is questioning anything. Truely amazing.

Whose on American Idol tonight? Don't bother answering. I truely couldn't care less. Why are their working, functioning, concentration camps built for hundreds of thousands, costing *****(top secret mega bucks)? Put that on American Idol and I'll actually watch it.

That doesn't include the underground facilities. And I think we're up to 850. And at Fort Dix they pioneered the "strip mall" camp. I've seen pictures of them. They erect guard towers and barb wire fence in whole strip malls and turn the parking lot into tent cities. We're in big trouble here. Did you see my previous post?

Just being curious. Can you give me the location of one of these concentration camps?

An entry for Colbert's "Make McCain Interesting" green screen challenge I did with a friend. Bush and McCain together in the scariest movie trailer of the summer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMQ8KO309g

skippy @ 3:

i don't know about you, but i think that new yorker cover is just plain offensive!

Hey Skippy,

Offensive, yes... But DUMB?... Oy vey! Beyond dumb.

Why arm the low-information crowd with such an image?

For them there are no words, just pictures. Regards

What The New York Times Won't Tell You About Joe Lieberman: 'The first is that during the 2006 campaign against Ned Lamont, Lieberman and his aides vowed multiple times that he would continue caucusing with the Democrats. The second is that Lieberman also vowed to help elect a Democrat to the White House in 2008.' 7/16

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

Brian Farrelly @ 22:

An entry for Colbert's "Make McCain Interesting" green screen challenge I did with a friend. Bush and McCain together in the scariest movie trailer of the summer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMQ8KO309g

What was the chick saying? We are fucked by having both or the McSame in charge.

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Here's another site that talks about the FEMA camps.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 28:

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Yepper. We've been bought and sold long ago. We are just another commodity like oil or pork bellies. To be brainwashed, microchipped, told what to do, and killed off whenever THEY want us dead by whatever method(s) they dream up.

These people are beyond ruthless. They have no ethics. They don't give a shit about us. They want us controlled or dead. That's the only choice we have. Submission or death.

Charles @ 30:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 28:

Charles @ 26:

Ron Says.....Yes, of course. The military runs most of them. KBR is building many of them currently. Back in Feb 06, they received a no-bid contract to build $385 million worth of "detention facilities" for illegal immigrants and "other projects."

bill clinton gave them the first contract for 8 prisons for 'special' prisoners.

Yepper. We've been bought and sold long ago. We are just another commodity like oil or pork bellies. To be brainwashed, microchipped, told what to do, and killed off whenever THEY want us dead by whatever method(s) they dream up.

Soylan Green comes to mind.

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

Charles @ 31:

These people are beyond ruthless. They have no ethics. They don't give a shit about us. They want us controlled or dead. That's the only choice we have. Submission or death.

they really do not understand that if they get what they want, there is no profit in it.

Ron Says...Yes sir. We may be eating soylent green in a few years. If we live that long.

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

why so optimistic?

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You're already a prisoner?

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 37:

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

why so optimistic?

Because I know who runs this planet.

Charles @ 33:

Why do you think they've taken away our rights and are in the process of crashing our currency and entire economy? This is happening now. There will be no recovery. Bernanke and Paulsen will have the Fed's sweeping powers rubber stamped by congress. The John Warner Defense Act and USA Patriot Act take care of the martial law enactments. The camps are in place. Now, we're just waiting to see what the final catalyst will be. My guess is that in tandem with our collapsing economy, these fuckers will release a virus. The best opportunity is at the end of the Olympics. There will be thousands incubating this virus heading back to a hundred countries. By October, life as we know it will cease to exist.

I've read Tom Clancy too. It's called fiction.

Ron @ 38:

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You're already a prisoner?

I'm the only person who never gets to leave. Damn you're right.

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

Oh, and just how are you "not planning on participating?"

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

Charles @ 35:

Ron Says...Yes sir. We may be eating soylent green in a few years. If we live that long.

let's see....
there's swiss chocolate
there's milk chocolate
there's white chocolate
there's mocha
there's lemon

I guess it depends on whose turn it is in the ovens.

I wonder if they'll be selling lampshades at bed, bath and beyond!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

gm can thank their collusion with oil companies for this. they were leading in alternative propulsion when they canned the projects and went all out for trucks and suvs in every line from caddy to saturn. the results speak for themselves.

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

I hope he does not fly small planes.

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

Bunkers to house the government have been in existence since the advent of nuclear weapons. They are not new. I was always curious about who they we're planning on governing in the event of a nuclear war. Mutated cockroaches and rats would have been about the only survivors.

EliteLemming @ 46:

fer charles

I've seen it. I think Carlin was right on.

Peter G @ 49:

Charles @ 45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YbemCgy5A&feature=related

Rep. Peter DeFazio asks congress to find out why the Bush administration is hiding a secret "continuity of government plan."

Bunkers to house the government have been in existence since the advent of nuclear weapons. They are not new. I was always curious about who they we're planning on governing in the event of a nuclear war. Mutated cockroaches and rats would have been about the only survivors.

Of course. Mount Weather is one of them. The congress has theirs somewhere in West Virginia. And of course everyone knows about NORAD.

Have you seen the new Orkin commercial where it shows a post apocolypic world where there are only roaches and the Orkin man still alive? The morons will be underground and still sending out the Orkin man to take care of the pests until the radiation levels go down enough! Hahahaha!

If they release a virus and it wipes out half the population or more, they could slither underground and come back up after a year or two. That way the bodies would have already decomposed. They would then just find some slaves to mow the grass and it would be back to the golf course or the beach.

Answering terror with terror

In "The Dark Side," Jane Mayer chronicles the terrible, destructive decisions the Bush administration made in the name of fighting terrorism.

By Louis Bayard
July 15, 2008 | We can't say we weren't warned.

The very first Sunday after the 9/11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney descended like a cloud on "Meet the Press" to outline the Bush administration's response. "We'll have to work sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies -- if we are going to be successful. That's the world these folks operate in. And, uh, so it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically, to achieve our objectives."

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 51:

'Police ordered angry customers lined up outside an IndyMac Bank branch to remain calm or face arrest Tuesday as they tried to pull their money on the second day of the failed institution's federal takeover.' 7/16

Customers furious in Day 2 of IndyMac fed takeover

Stand in line, be calm or....we'll arrest you? Yes, I read about that. Pretty telling. That scene will be repeating itself more than a few times around the country in the next month or two.

Atlanta Journal Constitution - Second hearing for Carter

It turns out that Carter was right after all.

He was right in seeking to raise the fleet auto mileage standard to 48 miles per gallon by 1995. (Even U.S. automakers admitted at the time that they could easily achieve 30 mpg by 1985.)

Carter was right in exhorting Americans to turn down their thermostats, even if he did look nerdy in a cardigan while urging us to do so.

In his July 1979 speech, he was right when he said, "I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 —- never." That worthy goal quickly went by the board.

He was right to encourage fuel conservation by proposing a 50-cents-per-gallon tax on gasoline and a fee on imported oil —- in effect, a floor for fuel prices.

Invoking the pioneering spirit of the 1960s moon mission, he was right to recommend a tax on windfall oil profits to finance a crash program to develop affordable synthetic fuels.

Carter was correct, too, in setting a goal of obtaining 20 percent of our energy from solar power by the year 2000.

We balked, and his energy program, which was new and demanding, shriveled up and died. When oil prices began declining in the 1980s, the justification for change vanished altogether.

The Reagan administration junked the proposed 1995 mileage standard and the rest of the Carter agenda.

Peter G @ 36:

No offense intended guys but the definition of a "concentration camp" appears to include every building with a fence around it. I think you might have to expand your list to hundreds of thousands of sites including my shop yard. Just so you know I'm not planning on participating. I couldn't handle the catering.

You see this wrong.. All the fenced area's will be for the happy rich free. Outside will be the big concentration camp. As in Brave New World.

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Wmd's were fiction. Iraq attacking us was fiction. Spreading democracy (by killing\illegal torturing\them all over there) is fiction.

Famine, inflation, poisened foods, illegal wiretapping all, severe energy overpricing, concentration camps, record debts, record failures due to the record profiting rich ruling with immunity are a fact.

Did you listen to the news to see what's safe to eat today? Get used to it.

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

I could use a tasty beverage...

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

Charles @ 62:

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Yes, and there is available technology to have 200 plus horsepower in every car with 50 mpg. Not even to mention cars that run on compressed air and or water. This is all be design.

This has been in planning for generations.

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

EliteLemming @ 61:

I could use a tasty beverage...

To wash down that bite of Kahuna burger before you shoot Brad?

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Disclaimer: Stolen from Booondocks...

Cas @ 68:

Charles @ 62:

Cas @ 60:

Charles @ 58:

Again.
The watercar.
My God..

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

You...not so bright. Actually, when you heat water in a chamber what happens? It develops pressure. It's a matter of turning that pressure into torque. It's trivial.

constituent @ 67:

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:
GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

no it's GM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer

constituent @ 67:

EliteLemming @ 65:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:
GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

I thought Hummer was Mopar...

i think your right.........i hate those fxxking things
good for military operations not on the road

They're not even good fer dat...

Charles @ 71:

Cas @ 68:

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Cas @ 60:

Are you serious? I hope not because Jay Leno has a car that runs on compressed water vapor (it's called steam, I hope you've heard of it). I've seen him drive it on one of his shows.

So what? Steam cars existed in the 19th century.
Then and now you need to make steam by burning stuff. Like wood, coal, or.. yes.. OIL.
(Don't start with this on solar. If you do, make an electric car; more efficient).

You...not so bright. Actually, when you heat water in a chamber what happens? It develops pressure. It's a matter of turning that pressure into torque. It's trivial.

Me not bright, but what is your point? What is wrong with an internal combustion engine?
Or do you think a steam car uses less energy?

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

America's biggest carmaker, General Motors, is implementing sweeping cuts from the factory floor to the boardroom as it scrambles to bolster its cash position by $15bn (£7.46bn) to cope with plummeting sales of vehicles.

The Detroit-based manufacturer today announced that it is reducing its white-collar payroll costs by 20% through a two-year pay freeze and voluntary redundancies.

In a radical move which risks the wrath of unions, GM is scrapping healthcare cover for all its retired workers and for their families from the beginning of next year.

At the top of the company, chief executive Rick Wagoner and his fellow executives will get no bonuses for 2008 and their maximum cash compensation will drop by between 75% and 84%.

Shareholders, who have seen the value of their stock dive by 62% since the beginning of the year, will share in the belt-tightening as GM suspends dividend payments.

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

What ain't no country I ever heard of... they speak English in what???

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Orwell rolls in his grave. Google it.

News:

John Barrow beat Regina Thomas in the 12th congressional district in Georgia.

John Barrow is one of the top Bush Dogs targeted by progressives not only because of his DINO status, but also his support of the FISA bill.

Obama's radio spot supporting Barrow is probably one of the biggest reasons we could not defeat him.

Ron @ 75:

constituent @ 64:

MountainMan23 @ 43:

Guardian UK: General Motors scrambles to save $15bn as car sales plummet

GM drunk on profits......they could have been well into their EV auto but nope went with hummer...

Do any of you think that high paid people in the auto business wouldn't be aware of what's going on in the world of fuel supplies? There is not a shortage of oil supplies. Yes, they were left out of the plans to create the image of an oil supply problem, but if the supply of fuel wasn't available, they would not have been pushing SUVs. Open up your minds and realize how everyone has been played by the oil and energy industries.

I'm Thinkin EnRon loophole... Is that hogwash too???

Ron @ 77:

Charles @ 66:

EliteLemming @ 63:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence...

Cute. Is that like...if it wasn't on the news, did it really happen?

Orwell rolls in his grave. Google it.

Absolute power?