Countdown: Impeachment & Subpoenas, Bush Continues To Evade Justice
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Jul 15, 2008 9:00pm
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The House has sent articles of impeachment against George Bush to the House Judiciary Committee, however Speaker Nancy Pelosi now says that an actual impeachment VOTE isn't on the table. On Wednesday's Countdown, Jonathan Turley gives his expert analysis on this epic fail as well as the latest attempt by the president to obstruct Congressional oversight by claiming executive privilege in the CIA/Plame leak investigation.
As for Bush's executive privilege claims, Turley goes right for the jugular. Attorney General Michael Mukasey all but begged the president not to make him testify about Dick Cheney's role in the Plame case and has ignored a subpoena to appear to testify about the matter before Congress -- which Turley says should prompt Congress to charge him with Inherent Contempt. That's not likely to happen, and as Jonathan points out, Democrats who voted for Mukasey are now getting what they paid for:
"...This is why, when Senators Shumer and Feinstein saved Mukasey's confirmation, this is what they purchased. And, what Congress needs to do, the only thing they can do, is bring back Inherent Contempt and to say they're going to start to exercise contempt on their own, that the deal is off. Attorney General Mukasey has broken a very long standing promise to be a faithful broker, to bring these cases to the grand jury - he won't. And Congress has a right to now say we're going back to doing this stuff ourselves."
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$50 says the Democrats won't do it. The leadership has spines of jello.
Well who would of thought Makasey was going to turn out to be just like Gonzo? Besides everyone on every progressive blog site.
I'll believe the Democrats have any balls when I see them.
How disappointing. At this point, what are the democrats afraid of?
impeach. then PROSECUTE. that is the ONLY solution.
this needs to be the mantra of all of the people, with a single voice that will
repeat over and over and over and over and over again.
they're afraid that you'll find out all their dirty little secrets if they bring any of these fuckers up on trial. Yeah, wouldn't it just be peachy if they turned in their blackmailing republican fiends? then they'd spill the beans on all the other dirty deals they make with each other to get their own way at the expense of the American People, who are still fast asleep in the American Dream...
sad, and depressing. Buuuuut, I bet it's still true.
but, they're not going to do jack. Bush is going to walk and so are all his neocon thugs. There will be no war crimes trials, there will be no impeachment, there will be no criminal indictments. Why? Because the Dem leadership is no better than the Repugs. They are all contemptible imperialist morons. Obama is better than McCain, but only insofar as one uses a "worse than" scenario. Obama will not do anything to put the Thugs in jail, because he's up for the job of emperor, and I would humbly submit that he's got his own military objectives that are similar to those of the neocons - acquisition of resources for the hungry retarded empire - and will likely have to do LOTS of nasty nasty things in order to keep America from shivering in the dark, and in the air to Las Vegas for that fun filled weekend, and eating all the food they possibly can. since the USA doesn't make anything, al the economics are vampiric, and based on massive resource extraction to feed the consumption/growth machine. And Obama's NOT going to want somebody hounding him to jail in 2012 for invading Fragistan for its vast reserves of Dilithium crystals...
You people are so screwed...
Face it. Game over. You lose. Just like Russia did, just like Nazi Germany did, Just like the UK did, Just like France did, Just like Rome did... Welcome to the trash heap of history, you dinosaurs. You've made your fossil bed, but still you toss and turn...
I keep having this dream:
January 20th, 2009. Barack Obama is sworn in as the next President of the United States. He shakes hands with outgoing President Bush and VP Cheney, smiles back and then says, "Arrest them." The Secret Service does as this new boss commands and take Bush & Cheney into custody.
Sadly I know it is just a dream. But one needs dreams to keep going, don't we? :)
PS: What would be interesting is whether or not Bush & Cheney would dare skip the inaugural out of a fear this might actually happen. I just can't imagine them NOT showing up.
tweakerbell, you sound just like my friend Kristi! lol
And at the end of this process an American corn-pone Hitler may be waiting to set everything and everyone straight.
are you kidding Mugsy? LOL, G-Dumb wouldn't miss that for the world! hehe, he's probably waiting for it day by day so he can give us all the finger and stomp off like the Boy-King he is.
Gimme a break Turley. All your insightful legal posturing is good for your ego, but
you know as well as 99.9 percent of us "in the know", the Dems are not going to
do anything....as already evidenced by their incompetance as to H. Miers/J.Bolten/
Gonzo/Rove/et.al. Mr. Turley you are a fine legal scholar, but you are not dealing
with honorable persons in this Admin., so "talk is cheap" and telling us what needs
to be done is just repeatative and redundant..."NOT gonna happen" because Congress is also incompetent and inept.So let's move on.
fuk muk
what has the Democratic leadership and a snowman got in common?
'sno Balls.
All talk and no action.
I want to know what dirt Bush has on the democratic leadership in congress.
Several wrote on another thread that if Bush were impeached under just that one article put forth by Kucinich, he would not be able to pardon anyone as he left office. I don't know if this is true and maybe someone can enlighten me, but if Bush is not impeached and pardons Rove, for example, for any role he may have had in the Siegelman matter, Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, et al. will have perpetrated a great crime on one of their own. Unbelievable.
We have criminals in charge of the executive, an accessory after the fact in the attorney general and their bag lady in charge of the house of representatives.
This is a huge joke. The joke is on us.
We need a Jeffersonian revolution to sweep the entire lot of these scoundrels away.
Impeach Pelosi!
brithumeistheantichrist @ 4:
I agree. You would think that Bush and Co. have incriminating photos of all the dems receiving (or giving) bl*wjobs for the way the dems are behaving.
brithumeistheantichrist @ 4:
Their constitutional responsibilities.
NEOCONs knew this was coming. so they are 3-4 steps
ahead of everybody....now to find out up to half of gitmo
prisoners did nothing and torture was much more than
h2o boarding....makes me sick.....they did this to piss
people off in the mid-east....keep the "war" going
$50 bucks? I'll bet a thousand that nothing ever is done about any of these crooks. That is why congress holds such a vaulted position in the hearts of Americans. Pelosi is so deluded about the reasons, I could scream. Law? What law? We have no constitution, and Bushco will skate out of office with nobody following. The courts are stacked, the media is paid for, congress is intimidated (and complicit), and we appear to have no legal means of holding them accountable. Anybody know anything different?
doggiebobo @ 12:
Yeah, let's just put our heads in the sand! Very smart.
McCain the Liar @ 15:
Here's Glenn Greenwald's answer to that question:
The Motivation for Blocking Investigations Into Bush Lawbreaking
''...just so long as I'm the dictator...'' dubya slips out the truth often
enough @ 22:
Nope, I sure don't know anything different from what you stated. And I certainly am
not going to take you up on the $1Grand bet...
chicano2nd @ 23:
Please no more Pelosi!
Mustn't boil complexities down into their constituent components. Best to keep things complex and the people mystified. Reality is off the table.
My God, how many different ways do you want to feel frustration. Let it go. Pelosi hasn't the balls for anything but granny tough talk, followed by acquiesence
Just more evidence that it's all a sham. Some scripted play. An Amurikan tragedy. W destroys Amurika and congress might get around to possibly, potentially, maybe, someday making some gesture or taking some form of action that might lead to....nothing. I know! They're waiting until after the inauguration of the next president to impeach W. Well, of course! That really makes sense in a congressional sort of a way.
Hearing on Impeachable Offenses Scheduled for July 25th in House Judiciary Committee
The hearings will be televised!
Investigate, Impeach, Imprison.
Not that they seem to need my money, but absolutely no donation from me unless Pelosi and weak friends move on somebody, Rove, Bush, Cheney, Hell even Perino for a crosswalk violation. Do SOMETHING that looks of backbone and I'll donate to the DNC, otherwise only Feingold or Boxer or someone who FIGHTS!
Our last ray of hope that our Democracy could be saved from the fascists in power was sadly dashed when Obama voted for the FISA Bill to cover-up for the Bush Crime Family. We now know that Obama's second book had a typo in its title. It was supposed to be titled, "The Audacity of Caving".
Gowrge Bushh is a viEEnna weenie.
Bushs' legacy will be "W.orst president ever" and the Iraq war, to our shame, will be forever remembered as an atrocity, unless we redeem ourselves by impeaching these criminals.
All I attribute this outright cowardice to is that there is powerful nuclear dirt floating in the background waiting for some some pretext to excape into the public domain.
All I can suggest is for voters to dump both parties on Election Day and elect people who will represent them, not sectional or ideoligical interests
In these situations I get the distinct feeling that something is going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to. It just doesn't make rational sense, what the Dems are doing. And looking it at it from the outside, with a rational perspective, is clearly a frustrating experience.
Do people like Shumer and Feinstein and Pelosi (and Obama) have guns held to their heads, or are they that horribly corrupt? Because it doesn't seem possible for them to be that stupid.
Daniel @ 38:
So what do you think it is?
Impeachment taken off the table, subpoenas that have no meaning, and sternly worded letters that have no meaning. No outrage from our candidate Barack Obama, as the corporate media and Congress sit idly by while our country crumbles. Damn.
Anyone else having difficulty playing this clip? QuickTime won't function at all, while Windows is so disjointed it is difficult to follow. Maybe just heavy traffic right now?
I know this is a pipe dream, but aren't lawyers who refuse to enforce the law supposed to be brought before the bar and lose the right to argue before the bar, i,e., disbarred as it were?
Isn't the Congress just plumb full of lawyers? I say if they refuse to abide by the terms as set forth by our system of laws, they should be whipped into compliance by their own profession.
How hypocritical this country has become where the common man is obliged to pay a parking ticket or face a subpoena to appear or face the consequences, while these criminals are responsible for heinous crimes against humanity and are tearing down our system of justice and taking a huge dump on our Constitution!
Meanwhile a majority of the people just set back, grab a Bud, turn the tube on to Nascar, professional wrestling (football, basketball, hockey take your pick), or are watching American Idol and not informed enough to realise that their Christian (what a joke that is) representatives in government are busy wrecking the country big time!
"It's crumbelievable!"
By our friends from KRAFT. As in the kraft. Always thinking of us....when they put poisons into their food for our ingestion.
Well, consumers, this looks like it. I hope everyone is planning their last meal(s) soon. For mine I'm going with a surf and turf fisherman's platter (scallops, oysters, calamari, lobster, shrimp, maybe some grouper or monk fish), a nice juicy rib eye flame broiled just past medium rare. Yummie! Baked potato loaded with sour cream, chives, cheddar, and real bacon bits. Wash it down with a Fat Tire amber ale or a Gordon Biersch Marzen (or maybe both). And possibly a banana split or sundae for desert. Then finish off with a fine brandy. Notice I left out vegetable matter. Didn't think I would eat broccoli or asparagus for my last meal did you? What would be the point of that? To stay healthy right before you went into a concentration camp?
See you at Gitmo!
This is a f^cking farce.
They won't do their jobs so they put on a little play.
What are these assholes getting paid for this amateur production of 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington'?
webegeeks...What planet are you living on? One with something called justice? Hahahahaha! Maybe if we live through this we can find some later or set up a government that actually works.
Mugsy @ 8:
Almost shot beer out of my nose! I just wish that I dreamt such happy dreams.
bronco214 @ 46:
That will be happening in a parallel universe. Just not THIS one.
Jimmy @ 32:
...execute.
Symbolic MY ass!
That puss ball needs to be drug behind a humvee and presented with the fate of "Saydam". Will someone, anyone please end this "American Nightmare"!
Correction: This "Vugar Human Infection"!
And just for good measure: Dub...your mother fell outta the nest and hit every branch FACE FIRST on the way down! Nana nana...naaanah!
Smoke Osama outta his cave? You got smoked asswipe!
Curtsie!
Mugsy @ 8:
Great dream. But lets be realistic here- change Obama for Santa Claus.
Life's a bitch in the National Security State.
Charles re #45,
maybe that is what happened, I was abducted by aliens and had all the smart sucked out of my nostrils while I had republican talking points pumped into my butt by the barrelful. Now that explains it ... thanks for bringing me back from my obvious delusion:.)
What does Bush and company have on the democrats? Or are they just as complicit as the republicans? A house of a different color?
webegeeks @ 52:
I sure hope we can laugh them out of existence. Just try to live every day like it was your last. At least we had relative peace today, and it looks like we will somehow (by the hairs on our butts) get through another week. After that, especially with these insane morons in charge, it's anyone's guess.
Harry and Nancy must go.
your mama @ 30:
Your Mama is right. Haven't we all seen enough in the last 7 1/2 years to know that the Dems are absolutely worthless? I don't know why anyone continues to watch Olberman and Turley fantasize about how things should be played out in a country of laws when it's clear that we no longer live in one. Take back an hour of your life every night and skip watching it. Instead, do something pleasant with your time like imagining kicking Nancy "upholding the Constitution is off the table" Pelosi down a flight of stairs or something. So much more satisfying!
JoeN @ 53:
Obviously the Dems have been paid off some how. Clearly we have been sold down a river with no paddles. Maybe the powers that be promised them and their families a place in Mt Weather when the maniacal fools do whatever it is they're planning to do. I don't know, but our elected officials sure aren't representing us. Maybe they decided that humans are the cause of global warming so they came up with a solution. A final solution.
Remember remember,
in early November,
the NeoCon treason and plot.
I know of no reason
why the NeoCon treason
should ever be forgot!
oh suprise , suprise , indeed Im shocked .
Appalling.
If the situation were reversed (as it was 10 years ago, over a blowjob) - if, say, by some miracle the Repubs regain their majority in 2010 or 2012, and they get to go after Obama's Attorney General, or Obama himself, does anyone doubt for a second they would bring charges of contempt if a subpoena to testify were refused?
I don't understand why people don't get that the dems and the repubs are really only about status quo. One right hand and one left hand of the body of total control.
Nothing is going to happen. Everyones afraid of the Bush family. CIA...killing presidents, fixing elections, drugs for arms, money laundering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMktUYvC7k
everyones a dupe, willingly or unwillingly, or they are in on the way things really work, in the real world of power and control.
The slow creep of create problem and provide solution. Why do we think the people who cause the problems are going to be able to fix the problems with the solutions that didn't work earlier? Especially when the same things keep happening over and over.
thank goodness we've got reality tv.
Any hearings will be just like this one was. This body of elected officials is a joke.
Where is the call for Nancy Pelosi Impeachment? come on California! get on it! Where are your balls?
Why the heck don't all you guys get out on the streets and start protesting. I remember watching American's raise hell in the late 1960's and early 1970's. "What inspirational neighbours to the south. They don't take no shit."
Like no offense to any of you very fine people. (I love C&L'ers) but get away from the keyboard and get out there with signs and banners and raise your voices. Get organised and do it. You know you've been lied to and are seeing your country trashed...
make the time, get out there and wear out a pair of shoes and make your voice horse shouting.
Nobody hears you shout on a blog.
Leadership, fear, indecision and politics have nothing to do with it. The Democrat party will NOT seek prosecution against ANYONE in the administration because THEY WERE BRIEFED on TORTURE. The KNEW and they kept quiet. They are all TRAITORS; COMPLICIT in the crimes of the administration. THAT is why they will not act. It has nothing to do with spines, or partisan BS, or elections. It's because they are all just as guilty as bush and cheney - and THEY KNOW IT. And now WE know it.
Dick Durbin sat on his hands KNOWING FULL WELL there were no WMD in Iraq - yet he let the resolution to invade Iraq go forward. He is a TRAITOR.
Isn't TREASON a crime? Yes.
Isn't blowing a stop sign a crime? Yes.
The Difference: The latter is punishable while the former is not in a "post-controlled demolitions of 911" world.
My America is dead.
The country I grew up in, the country I loved so deeply, is dead!
I remember being so proud of her. A beacon of light in an otherwise dark world.
Champion of justice, friend to the downtrodden, we were respected and even loved
around the world. Now we are no better than those countries we railed against
in years past. Just as evil, just as loathsome and just as unlawful.
We have under this administration, committed acts of rendition, spiriting people away
in the middle of the night to foreign countries, to be held for indeterminate amounts of time. We have imprisoned others without trial or due process. We have sanctioned and committed Torture!
We have attacked another country without provocation, because we feared it might develop weapons. Us, Americans, Invaded and destroyed another nation that had not attacked us first.
Members of this administration have engaged in acts of treason, outing a covert CIA agent, simply for political vengeance. They have obstructed justice, wire tapped Americans without a court order, falsified documents, deleted evidence and refused to obey congressional mandates.
The Constitution of these United States, has been rendered useless. The document our fore fathers believed so deeply in, fought for, died for. Reduced to a side note to be trumped by executive privilege.
And where is the dissent? We Americans have always been proud that at least here, In America, You were entitled to a voice. Well, It has been shouted down, replaced with the rhetoric of nationalism. Even those institutions that have in the past championed truth and justice; The free press, The Supreme Court The Congress itself, have been usurped, bludgeoned or coerced into capitulation.
Yes, My America is dead, I wonder, who will mourn for her?
Nancy "Quisling" Pelosi strikes again, geeze what a shame I had my hopes up AGAIN! lol ... Why does this show start to resemble Battlestar Galactica so much ... fucking toasters all of em ...
This guy, Turley is really sharp and right on point. What a shame it is to see our Congress members brought down to the current size they are and its all basted on how and who they voted for in these offices.
That lunatic that calls himself the replacement Attorney General is no better then Gonzales and the two Supreme Court Justices, Roberts and Alito and yet no matter how much we barraged our congress members with emails and phone calls, they insisted on supporting these cheap thugs, only to have them pointing the finger up their noises.
They refuse to listen to the voices of American people, who simply just may be just a little bit sharper then many of them, who have no street sense,when it comes to judging people, especially those of us that came up thro ugh the hood and can spot a criminal before they open their dame mouths and the bastards they have plastered all over our government, put the street brothers and sisters that live and breath crime, to shame.
These are some hard core criminal, perverts and yet Senator Reid, just took them behind the door and came out smiling as if he had accomplished something great, while Alito and Roberts had daggers sticking all through his ass.
How dame disgusting this shit is.
McCain the Liar @ 15:
Abramoff monies, wasnt it 40 out of 45 senators took his lobby cheques from his proxies, around 04/05
All for a paltry couple of grand per senator we get stifled justice.
Pelosi is the problem. Cindy Sheehan taking her seat is our only hope now. I guess we're pretty much screwed.
This frustrates and disappoints me to no end. What's with Pelosi? What's with the Democrats? What's with ALL the elected representatives in Congress? Why do they insist on bowing down to a president with such abysmal approval ratings? Unbelievable!!
HA! Snore. Don't forget to pay your taxes promptly: bu$h needs your money to rule the planet. (The Dems are writing nasty notes, alone in their offices.)
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
You read Jim Kunstler's Clusterfuck Nation Chronicle this week, right?
Kunstler.com
Wise_Fool @ 9:
Great read, wasn't it!!! .........[7 Tweakerbell Says]
Nico @ 66:
It's all true. Yet, remember, how many Americans sat back and let it happen, and seemed not to care. That is the real sickness; the crime. Distracted people too interested in their own comfort, they sold out the nation they loved, and now it's broken, and maybe beyond repair.
PS another good read Nico at 66
I've changed my mind about Dumbocrats not having a spine.
It takes a hell of a set of balls to be Dem leader and get up in front of their base and the whole country and say I'm going to do what a repuglican would do.
True Dems need to start looking at how to remove the Korporate cancer that has infected the party. Pelousy, Greed, Con-yours and a long list list of high ranking Dems are now the main obstacle to holding this Domestic terrorist administration accountable for the crimes they have committed.
Mr. Kucinich.... How do we remove these people from office and turn the Democratic party over to real Democrats and not these Korporate Republicrats they have turned into?
Kucinich was starting to become an embarassment so now it's up to Mr. John to shuffle up to the plate and prove he's a good little house congressman in the house for the House. Funny how Pelosi can be so certain there won't be a vote. I thought that's what the committee was for but I guess Mr. John has his orders.
Dubya's in a happy place if he can _BE_ not guilty before, during and after the investigation. Gives psychos a job to aspire to.
SO I SAY AGAIN..... the GOP is the party of CHEAP LABOR
JUST LIKE THE ECONOMY... take what you can ... and when it is time to PAY THE PIPER.... r u n......
.................agent orange not treated until many had died........internment camps then "apologize"..... abu grabi the same..... BUSH bank busts.... KENNY BOY LAY (oops... he's dead... sorry... he was really a saint then).....
UNTIL PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS CLASS WARFARE... nothing will change....
UNIONS....good.....they take from the rich and share with the workers
TAXES....good.... they take from the RICHER and spread it around in services used by the middle class and the poor
THE don't tax.... AND SPEND.... republicans..... know that they are spending YOUR CHILDRENS' MONEY
guns gays abortion ----> THEY REALLY DONT GIVE A FUCK.... any wedge issue to blur THE ISSUE...... CLASS WARFARE !!!!!!!!
If you're a liberal and ou're complaining, ou're part of the problem, having done nothing for 8 years to oust Bush or set things right. The last 8 years are a shameful indictment of liberal pussyhood without a single acheivment to point to.
Obama would go down in American history in the same breath as Lincoln, FDR, Washington, and MLK, if he brought these criminals to justice and undid the damage that have wrought on us all. There is no doubt about that. He would be hailed in history as the savior of the republic. But the same could be said of Pelosi if she allowed impeachment. They know this, so why don't they act and make themselves heroes? Because they can't. They hold no real power. Their strings are pulled just as Bush and Cheney's are. These people are the mere tools of the the truly powerful, and always unseen and unknown rulers of the world.
We can rail away at the neo-con thugs, the impotent democrats, and the move-to-the-right Obama. But the outcries and the blame and all the scorn are misdirected. These people are the sycophants to the relative handful of people who really are in control, and until they are hunted down and disemboweled, nothing will change for the better.
Mugsy @ 8:
I said we're talking about bush /cheney here.
your mama @ 80:
I just love it when the victims of fraud and deceit are blamed for the fraud and deceit. Under this principle, nobody's responsible for any action committed by others except those who are harmed by it. Under this principle, the victims of the holocaust were responsible for the holocaust, not the Nazis. Or the victims of the Inquisition were responsible for their own deaths, not the Church.
Congress, who had the responsibility to protect their constituents' rights, instead voted to save their own hides. Citizen outrage and protest are continually ignored. I'm beginning to think things may already have reached the point where nothing short of a catastrophe or armed revolution can set things right.
To replace miss nancy with a soney hoyer (?) will change what?
recall nancy!!
not only are bush/cheney going to be regarded as the worst executive branch in history this pelosi/reid congress is going to be regarded the most ineffective and cowardly in history
The war in Iran will distract everyone from all of this. United, We Stand! - Divided, We Watch FOX!
lescaster @ 87:
I'm not placing any bets that the next administration/Congress will score much better, given the lack of leadership that will carry over. Not for a minute do I believe that more Democrats in Congress will set things right. I wish I did.
Pelosi needs to be impeached for obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress. If Conyers doesn't get off of his ass and do the right thing, he'll need to be impeached also. Hoyer, too. Their complicity and obstruction is on the order of high felonies at this point, and is beginning to tread into the land of treason. They are actively engaged in destroying the Constitution at this point. What are they hiding? Are they being black-mailed? If that is the case, are they willing to destroy the nation in order to save their own worthless asses and privileges. When they have finally been removed from office, they need to be prosecuted and convicted.
They all need to lose their seats, because each is acting more and more as the "enemy from within" that the Constitution warned us all about.
.A. Confidential @ 10:
And at the end of this process an American corn-pone Hitler may be waiting to set everything and everyone straight.
You big thilly.
You mean this person?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.moviestore.com/thumbna...
tjb @ 85:
How about with him?
http://profron.net/pictures/sluggo%20recursive.jpg
Members of Congress cannot be impeached or recalled, but even if it were legally possible, Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be ousted by her fellows-in-crime.
anney does not matter threaten to.
IMPEACH PELOIS! Email her, flood her mailbox, the Dems need to grow some balls!
Here is her email link
Did not stick, one more try...
IMPEACH PELOIS
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
brithumeistheantichrist @ 4:
Their fuc*ing shadows!!!
vudutu @ 94:
I think that's a silly waste of time to threaten something that can't happen.
Instead, threaten to support Cindy Sheehan as her replacement.
Nancy "Whore of Babylon" Pelosi.
Can it be any more obvious that she is a darling of the Bush Administration!?
Piss on Washington! I'm not Democrat, I'm not a Republican. We have ZERO representation in that festering vile miasma we call a democratic government. It's time for a new revolution people and the message needs there will be a third party that will heed the peoples will.
and of course, Mr. Barry Obama didn't find it important enough to even cast a vote. What else is new?
The myth continues...
pelosi has just given the bush crime family a get out of jail free card.
The only reason I can think of for her to be stonewalling on impeachment is perhaps she doesnt want to have fucksupalot use the power of presidential pardons. If she holds out till after the new administration comes in, she could probably have them arrested and tried once there is no chance of any of them walking away scotfree. I doubt that chimpy can exercise his presidential pardon power when he is no longer president. I would like to see them hauled before the Hague for trial. There is no way they could escape punishment then.
I hope thats what she's thinking.
Countdown: Impeachment & Subpoenas, Bush Continues To Evade Justice
This looks like a job for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46LR3hVjJy8
Apparently I missed the announcement from Pelosi as to why she is so dead set against impeachment. Or did she just decide in her little head all by herself to say it was off the table. Don't think so. She and Reid are so in the hip pocket of the crooked Bush administration we are helpless to do anything about it. Reid is almost as unbearable to listen to as Bush. He acts like if someone sneaked up behind him and said "Boo!" he would start crying. What a wimp! And Pelosi appears to be so egotistic that she can't be bothered to do what is right by the American people. Pelosi and Reid are two of the biggest disappointments in history, second of course to Bush.
Some additional thoughts on accountability and Bush & Co. Read more, please.http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/07/truthbut-no-consequences.html
Rosanne @ 97:
I used to think they were afraid, now I think they are complicit.
Rosanne @ 102:
That is the only thing that can win her forgiveness from millions of us.
I really hope that that is what she is holding out for.
doggiebobo @ 12:
Move on to what? A broken country? Near time to take to the streets.
brithumeistheantichrist @ 4:
That some of them are complicit with the crimes that the Bush Administration committed. If they knew what was happening when it was all going on, then they're just as guilty. One of them should show some fucking backbone or grow some balls and come out and say: "Yes, I knew what was happening and I let it continue. I'm willing to put myself out there because I believe in something greater than personal pride, money and ambition."
Once one of them does that... the whole house of cards will begin to fall. Will there be backlash? Sure, but that's just the nature of the beast that they allowed to perpetuate upon the American people and the rest of humanity.
Arctic Dude @ 64:
You're right. If 500,000 can get together in Los Angeles to protest illegal immigration, we should be able to do the same thing to take our country back. The problem is that not enough people are outraged yet. I feel it coming though.
Republicans=Criminals
Democrats=Criminals
Same sh*t, Different a**hole.
Stop whining! Pelosi IS doing her job! She works for Corporate America, and she is protecting the plutocracy.
All that Constitution, Rule of Law and people's Representative stuff, is nothing more than a part time job to earn few extra bucks on the side!
doggiebobo @ 12:
If you would have listened closely, you would have heard him say that he doesn't see the "intestinal fortitude" from the Dems to make this happen. The biggest problem here is that Pelosi is in bed with the President. She is as guilty as he is because she was made aware of torture, illegal wiretapping and likely others and either Ok'd it or didn't fight against it.
My question is; why the hell isn't California recalling this traitorous bitch?! She is a criminal!
After we hang Bush, let's hang the democratic leadership. With rusty piano wire. Slowly.
Nearly time to take to the streets????WTF!!!
Ten million pissed off patriots should have dragged Douchebag Bush out on his ear for summary execution years ago!!!
Part of the problem is the complacency, willful ignorance, and comfort of ordinary lazy-ass Americans who refuse to take responsibility for their own government.
Wake up America!!
And BTW, all you NSA spies recording this blog, some us will not go quietly. NSA spies are traitors also. Come for me to put a bag over my head and you will eat generous helpings of .45 cal.
anney @ 98:
Constitutional law is a "silly waste of time"?! PLEASE!
If you live in her district in California, you have EVERY right to initiate a signature petition requesting a recall vote. I have to believe it would be pretty easy to get enough signatures to make it happen.
doggiebobo @ 12:
Turley admitted as much.
Pat Riot @ 5:
I mean no disrespect to you but if you haven't noticed they quit listening to us a very long time ago.
Edwin Hussein the whiner @ 75:
True and true. Our government is far more fascist than democratic and has been since Reagan or before. The problem is not so much neocons as it is complacency of the electorate. Democracy is hard work and requires participation by ALL. When a "good" year at the polls brings out 65% of eligible voters, it's a sure sign the democracy is on the way down. When more people watch and vote for stupid talent shows on television than vote in a presidential election, we are a sick democracy. The neocons only hastened what was already happening.
If revolution (armed or otherwise) doesn't happen soon, our slide into fascism will continue unabated.
OK I tried to email the bitch, it bounced.
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You are a huge disappointment to us, YOU should be impeached
Wise_Fool @ 6:
I don't doubt it for a minute, but I'm willing to bet that whatever the repugs have on some of the dems ,it's small potatoes compared to the wholesale raping and pillaging of our Treasury and our Constitution. I'm willing to forgive them for anything short of murder if they'd just DO THEIR DUTY.
Okay, NOW is it possible that maybe some people might have some legitimate complaints about the Democratic leadership without being secret Republicans sent here to spoil the election?
Obama is less horrible than McCain...so much so that as far as I can tell no responsible human being could possibly consider supporting McCain over Obama.
So, I want to be motherfucking clear: I'm voting Obama. I'm an Obama booster. Go Obama. Hooray. Happy days are here again and so are Laverne and Shirley. I may...MAY...vote Green in November but that will ONLY be because California is so far in the Obama camp that it's a better use of my vote to raise the profile of a third party. Even then...go Obama!
That said, the Democratic party leadership is complicit and AS MUCH TO BLAME as the Republican party leadership for this nakedly criminal behavior. They're. Cutting. Into. Bone. Now.
This is the fucking constitution. This is the authority that says that We the People(tm) have the right to subpoena and have questions answered under penalty of perjury. We the People(tm) have a right to see criminal leadership placed under pain of law and held to account for their actions. We the People(tm) don't accept any "off the table/political distraction" framing of, ahem, OUR LEADERS' FUNDAMENTAL DUTIES UNDER LAW.
See, look, it just doesn't matter if impeachment would be "bad for Democrats in November." Enforcing the law sometimes makes cops unpopular, doesn't mean they can just shirk that duty. Sorry. You lose on any "but..but...but...CAUCUS BLOCKUS!" excuse.
I know this is crazy sounding, but, uh, politics is for ELECTIONS. Governance is about DUTY, period. You simply are not allowed to consider electoral impact when deciding whether you are GOING TO DO YOUR DUTY.
And it's not all Democrats, no, it's the leadership. And no, voting Republican is no answer. They are worse. Between a bullet in the head and a knife in the gut, I'll take the knife in the gut...I guess.
But the Democrats are knifing in the gut and it's not unproductive or distracting to say so. It's the very little point at hand. They tell us that "elections have consequences" and then they take all the consequences "off the table."
And that's just not forgivable no matter how villainous their opposition is.
IMPEACH PELOSI!
What a spineless nitwit.
Befuddled people ask, "Gee, why didn't the Democrats do anything when they took over Congress?" Because the "division of congressional posts", do not favor YOUR ISSUES.....
[Deleted. Knock it off with the 'Jewy Jewenstein' crap. There's a reason this hasn't posted twice-Sitemonitor]
Pelosi and guys the Jay Rockefeller and Jane Harmon are co-conspirators. It's a Mafia rigged system where everyone in the legal system are part of the crime family.There aren't any Republicans or Democrats anymore. Just a pack of thieves and murderers. We need a revolution to round up this scum and try them all for their crimes and then ship the lot to the Hague to be tried as war criminals. We have shown there is no functioning legal system in the US anymore. More to our shame.
Now your starting to get it America Kongress, The Senate and the House are all bought and paid for by KORPORATIONS the Real power in AMERIKA. The very rich never seen AMERIKA. Dems and Repugs are just like W W E NFL WBA MLB for your entertainment only. Yes folks it is a race to the bank who can get more faster, quicker,cheaper and your not included!!!!! kudos to NICO on dead america very well written. Oh and thanks to all talking about armed revolution I just hope I'm still young enough to get out there and fight. Well I'll keep my gun oiled and hope to see you in the street.
Talk about wishful thinking. 80% are bought and paid for whores, and if the whole bunch could find one spine among themselves that would be a BIG improvement. "Inherent Contempt", BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! As if!
One More Time
Once again this nation is faced with doing something logical. It's funny; you would thing what Congressman Dennis Kucinich is asking of the his congressional peers required a leap of faith. The way this war has been framed you would think we were fighting a true axis of evil that required the attention of the whole world. It does not because if you follow the simple flow of events that lead up to this war, you have a strong case for strong legal actions which Kucinich is asking.
If we can't "follow the bouncing ball" that lead us to Iraq's current state of post genocide, can we at least have a national review of the facts associated with the killing of millions of innocent people? Can we have a simple update on what might be a continuing slaughter of innocent people? Can we stop debating what is clearly illegal, and list what has mistaken as a topic for discussion instead of charging the appropriate suppects with war crimes?
I am not asking for a "freebee" or a pardon. I am saying can we do what is right based on FACTS.
Lastly, can we send Nancy Polosi a message she does not have the right to require the Democratic Party, who is represented by millions, to act in a uniformed apathetic manner? She has no right to take our right to require actions from her or the whole congressional body. Can we take a moment to say thank you very much Congressmen Kucinich for doing what no one in my Party had the guts to do?
Joseph
Charles @ 43:
Well, at least if you had asparagus, when you pissed on the guards right before they waterboarded you, there would be a lingering unpleasant odor for everyone to remember you by.
Arctic Dude @ 64:
"But-but-but, doing jail time is such a scary prospect!"
That's the sentiment I hear too often.
I don't care WHO runs against Polosi... they have my money.
The Dems doing nothing about impeachment has nothing to do with cahonies.
They need REAL and HARD evidence (not someones interpretation). Which they don't have.
Bush&Co. would be GONE in a heartbeat.
And don't misunderstand me, I wish they did.
O'Really @ 133:
How much "REAL and HARD evidence" do you need? You need only follow the steps we took to get into this war. The evidence is real and hard to believe.
Joseph
Joseph,
Your missing my point.
I know we all believe there's enough evidence.
BUT, They need more that just peoples opinion.
Bush can actually back up everything he did. Believe it or not.
And they would have to prove all the hearsay.
Sorry....
The Democants are just as culable for letting this
prickpresident get away with it.brithumeistheantichrist @ 4:
Answer: Accomplices blackmail --If I hang ,so will Pelosi
When are people here going to realize that there is a great social re-engineering project taking place here -- and throughout the west for that matter -- where both "major" parties are in on it. The rule of law is being thrown out the window in favour of a global facist unaccountable ruling class that can do what it wants with the planet. You think we have environmental problems now, just wait until these guys really get going.
Oh, and by the way, you know all those debts America is wracking up now. Well, your politicians will make out OK as will many of their corporate cronies, but you the average American taxpayer will be given the bill. This crushing debt will be used to justify selling off the US piecemeal. Both parties know what is going on and both parties support these initiatives.
As well, both parties are becoming terrified that if the people find out the true extent of the crimes and betrayals that have been committed, all of them will hang in the streets from lampposts. George W Bush said as much once to a reporter. Fortunately for them, the American people are intellectually lazy, arrogant about their place in the world and generally pretty stupid. So they are continuing at breakneck speed to roll all this out, yet most don't get it or just blame everything on one party.
The elected "officials" are all in on the game, all know their role is to create the "illusion of choice" so that the American public can waddle around thinking they are free. Nothing could be further from the truth.
But now there has to be a police state to quell dissent because people are waking up. It is becoming clearer and clearer that politicians act against the interests of most of the people they were elected to represent and their actions betray how empty their words really are. Pelosi is the height of arrogance and dishonesty.
And yet I keep seeing these fawning articles here on Obama, even after he votes for the unconstitutional and illegal FISA bill, backs away from removing troops from Iraq ("We'll see what our options are when I get into office.") and who has, in support of Israel, said he would be in favour of attacking Iran, as well as sending more troops to Afghanistan and even attacking Pakistan. (With what I would love to know.) How many times to Democratic voters need to be betrayed before they will begin to wake up. He is playing to idiots, and sadly there are a great many idiots in this country.
Surprized
notthat there is no mention of Obama's idea for a 1,000,000 Stazi-style internal police force that will rival the military in size and scope. If that doesn't scream pending police state, I don't know what will.Bush is doing exactly what is expected of him: taking the heat for the gradual rollout of the most vicious scientific dictatorships ever to grace the planet. Obama, if he even gets into office -- Bush could enthrone himself as dictator in the event of a national emergency -- will be an extension of the same agenda, otherwise he would never be the democratic presidential candidate. Period. Until people start to comprehend this fact, this country is doomed, doomed, doomed.
Every incumbent needs to be voted out of office, every single one!!! People need to stop swallowing all the crap they feed us and begin demanding and discovering the truth.
And people better start preparing for a rough winter, start building communities of support, start learning to think and challenging their beliefs to see if they are even remotely true. This whole house of cards, hopefully, will fall sooner than later -- tyrannies always do -- but in the meantime, unless the people of especially the US start standing up and saying no more, this country is going to be raped in ways that are totally unimaginable today.
What if Pelosi is right and impeaching Bush (and Cheney) would flip the Congress Republican and martyr the Republican party so that a McCain would be guaranteed victory?
I suppose you could say that democracy was saved... but the Supreme Court was lost...
I suppose you could say that the principle that Presidents should be held accountable was established.... but the Republican congress wouldn't hold McCain accountable.
Henceforth known as NAZI Pelosi.
Madam Speaker will you call the Knesset to order?
doggiebobo @ 12:
Let's face reality, Mr. Turley. You are a very good legal scholar, but in the "real world USA" of today we have a thoroughly corrupt government that doesn't give a damn about the people. We have a justice system whereby a hungry man is thrown into jail with a stiff sentence for stealing a loaf of bread whereas, at the same time, sociopathic killers who condone torture are given a free pass by equally sick, spineless and corrupt Democrats.
This type of shit has a short "shelf life". At the present rate of this country's decline conditions will eventually lead to a revolution, hopefully a bloodless one.
Nancy Pelosi just happens to be taking a phone poll on impeachment.
http://johnnycivil.gnn.tv/blogs/23111/Pelosi_taking_phone_poll_on_Bush_C...
Just call 1-202-255-0100 and say "“I wish to register my support for the impeachment of Bush Cheney”
I just did it. You should, too.
O'Really @ 136:
O'Really you are missing my point: We live in a video world which has documented every step of the run up to this war, what this president does to keep us into this war, and current attempts to feed the fears of a 9/11 repeat so we stay fighting for the next 100 years. Bush used debate to keep us in this war. There is no legal value in our opinion, but who would try and impeach a president on opinion? Not my lawyer. Thank you for your point of view because if helps to clarify what we need to nail this criminal president.
Joseph
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