Joe Scarborough: Olbermann "too stupid to be on TV" for running McCain's Anbar gaffe
By SilentPatriot Tuesday Jul 22, 2008 5:45pm
Wow. There is so much hackery in this short clip that it's hard to know where to begin. While reporting on McCain's Anbar gaffe, the "Morning Joe" squad not only fails to acknowledge how serious and unprofessional it was for CBS to selectively edit the gaffe out of the interview, they completely buy into the McCain campaign's damage control spin. And as if it that weren't bad enough, Joe Scarborough makes it a point to go out of his way and call the arm-waving host that ran with the story (an obvious allusion to his colleague Keith Olbermann) "ignorant" and "too stupid to be on TV."
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"Look let me tell you....and I know a couple of hosts ran this last night and made a huge deal because some liberal blogger picked it up. I will guarantee you the host that ran it, were waving their arms, had no idea whether the Sunni Awakening, or, or or, the surge began at the same time. They also, anybody that would argue that the Sunni Awakening would have survived in Al Anbar Province, without the surge, anybody that would make that argument is so ignorant of the facts on the ground in Western Iraq, in Al Anbar Province, and what the Sunni sheiks were doing throughout 2007, that they are too stupid to be on TV. And I hope they don't carry that argument much longer because it is laughable."
Let me try and break this down for the slow among us. This is what McCain said:
"Colonel MacFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history."
Actually, no, it's not a "matter of history." Whether or not the surge helped strengthen the al-qaeda-routing awakening is not the issue; the issue is McCain crediting the surge with creating the awakening in the first place. That is, as a matter of fact, UNTRUE. Now, if McCain had said the surge "strengthened the awakening," it would be different. But by saying it "began the awakening," he is deliberately distorting the time line in order to give the surge more credit than it's due, and thus give himself more credit than he's due. It's that simple.
When confronted by Senator Obama with the prospect that the surge isn't entirely responsible for the security improvements, McCain is forced to play the only card he has left in his deck and attribute everything to the surge, even though the greatest gains began before it. It's not hard to understand.
I wonder if the McCain campaign realizes how foolish they look right now. While Barack Obama is overseas looking presidential and having his foreign policy ratified by the Iraqi government, John McCain is home undermining his own foreign policy "expertise," undercutting his main argument for the surge, and looking childish as he stomps his feet and blames the press. All I can say is...keep it up!
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And all about an illegal war undertaken with false pretext.
Olbermann's last shit still has more on the ball than Joe "Help!-there's-a-dead-intern-on-my-floor" Scarborough!
What an asshole!
Will KO make Joe the worse person in the world? I think it's likely because KO is NEVER on morning Joe when everyone else on NBC is on there daily including those from the network news shows. I wouldn't mind watching KO attacking Joe.
How's Joe going to explain about how that Sheik McCain mentioned was assassinated last year?
The major Sunni sheik who John McCain said was protected by the surge and subsequently helped lead the Anbar Awakening, was actually assassinated by an al-Qaeda led group in midst of the surge.
Mister Anderson @ 3:
It would never happen, but yeah, that'd be great.
Replace Joe with Rachel Maddow!
Republicans lie, their surrogates lie, their talking head apologists lie. It is what they do. Oh and they are stupid too.
This is what I really don't get about Republicans these days. They could actually debate things for real, and argue that the "awakening" would never have been successful if the surge (and probably much more importantly, the money) hadn't been there to support it. And in at least some cases (a few? one or two maybe?) they might even be right. But instead they just make up nonsense and then lie about it. Is it just that this has been going on forever and we're only noticing the extent of it now because the Internet lets everyone look things up and communicate around what really happened?
I don't know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened
foolme1ns @ 7:
Yeah, what he said.
Olberman has ten times the smarts that redneck Scarborough could ever think of mustering. The guy is as dumb as they come.
harold really really doesnt want to run as a dem ever again
Statements like this are why Scarborough is the liberal's favorite talk show host! (snark)
http://nymag.com/news/media/48518/
A reich-winger defending a reich-winger and calling anyone stupid for exposing yet another of 100s of gaffes by McGrampa. Brilliant. I love the librul media.
You should get the clip from the joe show this morning where Gen. Wes Clark was trying to explain to Joe the sequence of events before and after the surge. This was General Wesley Clark and Joe the shmoe was arguing with the freaking General. Joe is a total ass when it comes to things like this. He takes a fu*king superior attitude and gets all smug as if he knows jack shit about anything.
what is this, ithappenedonmsnbc.com?
Classic projection, Scarboro is too stupid to be on television so he attacks KO.
Typical. But the real reason for the misplaced outrage is fear. Joe is thinking, that stupid CBS bimbo just exposed us all.
And, if Katie is forced out, like her predecessor, Joe is near the top of the list to follow.
Midnight Rambler @ 8:
I think you are close. I think that the republics[sic] have become so accustomed to simply shaping reality to their opinions and motivations that lying has become second nature. But like most bad habits, even if the liar starts lying in private or even simply on the sly, eventually he can become sloppy, careless and overconfident (which they have). At some point or another, EVERYbody sees him doing it even and because he is so deeply into the habit, he may not even know that he doesn't bothered to hide it anymore. Take habitual nose-pickers, for instance...
Bonkers @ 19:
(woo! sorry for all the typos, but I think you get my drift)
Keith Olbermann is a lot of things....but stupid he is not.
McC*unt truly needs all the help he can get at this point. He is being viewed—quite accurately—as a senile, mean-spirited, slow-thinking relic of the past.
This is a guy who is still learning to log on to the Internet...but has all the answers to fix the US economy. Yeah, right.
McC*unt is quickly being pushed away and ignored by the American and global public. Nobody is buying his tired bullshit. We've heard it all before...yadda, yadda, yadda, Obama doesn't support the troops...Obama is weak on defense...Obama can't protect you.
Whatever.
McC*unt is pissed that no one is paying attention to him. That's a good thing because he can't seem to utter a sentence without getting his facts wrong.
Wait a minute!!!
Don't you know that John McCain INVENTED the surge one afternoon when he took his Viagra way too early and felt a "surge" in his pants.
Its all well documented history!!
Olbermann's with the 3% who are still in denial about the surge. Throw BarryHO, Mika "The World's Biggest Dingbat" Brzezinski (and perfect liberal icon) and Harry Reid into that pitiful pile of partisans, along with BathtubBoy Olberdope.
This all reeks of Republican panic and desparation. To find it so early in the campaign I suppose is comforting.
Joe gets moved to the a.m. with NO known competition, then can't get ratings. Joe is on his way out, its house-cleaning time! Say bye-bye to all of the right wing hacks who do not have the skills to mount a real argument.
Joe spun it and Harold helped.
CNN got the story right like this post.
I'm less concerned about whether McCain is right or wrong about Anbar (he's not going to be president anyway) and more alarmed that CBS would ask and interviewee a question on camera and splice in a completely different answer that he gave. Let's consider the content irrelevant for a moment. One of the most watched news programs in America lied to it audience by editing the interview in the way they did -- that's unfair to McCain (unless his people requested the edit) and it's a hoax on its millions of viewers. This is just something that isn't done in journalism. This incident should be exposed and talked about on a massive scale to educate viewers on how the media can manipulate true events and how everything ought to be watched with skepticism. Oh, and in regards to Joe Scarborough, I have two words -- dead intern!
ek in mpls @ 6:
I'd love it!
pissed off patricia @ 15:
I don't get that. They all tout McCain's military experience, such as it is, as the reason for him being the best candidate and yet they disparage Wesley Clark who is a General. General Clark has 99.9% more experience than McCain. Why can't they ever see the contradiction? Drives me nuts. Does Joedeadintern think he knows more than Clark? Isn't he disparaging Clarks service? I thought you couldn't do that or is that only for McCain?
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 12:
Does Harold Ford hold some position in DLC currently?
They ought to dump him in a heartbeat, not that the rest of DLC is any great shakes either.
Why are you picking on John McCain and Joe Scarborough? As far as I can tell, neither of them has a sufficiently high IQ to be considered responsible for their own actions. In the old days, unscrupulous promoters roped mentally challenged people into being sideshow geeks and biting the heads off chickens. These days, the same mentally challenged people are put on tv, or perhaps in the Senate. At least it's better than that whole chicken thing.
Funny to see how freaked out unapologetic Obama surrogates like Olbermann and Matthews get whenever someone DARES to speak the truth about the surge's undeniable success. Matthews head just about exploded last week over the issue.
They know this is a gigantic BOO-BOO for Obama, and Obama just makes matters worse with his idiotic, rambling, incoherent answers when somebody asks him a direct question about it.
Yeah, B. You got a problem on that one.
FinalSay @ 23:
So you think the 1,000+ dead Americans and $200 Billion was the best possible use of US soldiers and $$. I guess John "I'm gonna call my wife a c*nt" McCain doesn't care about the cash that the Iraq war has cost this country, the old boner will be dead by the time the mortgage payments for it come due.
So, if McCain's answer was so cogent and reality-oriented...why not show it?
Isn't Joe running a risk by pissing on his fellow MSNBC hosts? This should get his ass fired. And if he goes, he must take Mika ("teeheeheehee, That's just mean") with him. She has become every bit as annoying as Joe and Pat Buchanan (sp?)
Joe Scar:
"Anybody that would argue that the Awakening would have survived...without the Surge...is so ignorant of the facts on the ground...etc etc"
Hi, Scar, you feebiac? STRAW MAN.
Hey, Harold:
Way to pick up The Scar's straw man and move it forward another 5 yds. Nice work.
[rolls eyes]
Mika B. and Olbermann - The libtard brain trust. God help them if the teleprompter ever breaks.
ek in mpls @ 6:
An excellent idea! it's got my vote... Joe is a total fucktard!
RickyK @ 37:
Eff off asshat... you're on the wrong blog.
WTF?
Isn't there a rule about not attacking people that work for your network?
Looks like there's a new troll in town...
RickyK, do they pay you to troll or is a volunteer job?
Wake up! Whether the surge works or not, or if it started before something else, or whatever talking head or politician think about the events doesn't matter!
The ONLY thing that matters is that the IRAQ WAR is a WAR CRIME. Everyone involved in making it happen and continuing it is a criminal that must be held accountable. ANYONE who talks about anything (except ending the war and getting out) is a criminal after the fact and ANYONE who even thinks about voting for someone like that is insane.
Kucinich and Ron Paul are the only ones who spoke any truth on this subject, everyone else is a big government puppet. Vote for McCain OR Obama and this country is DOOMED.
Janet @ 29:
Wes Clark is a fu*king Rhodes Scholar and a big time General, yet Joe has the gall to think that he knows more about this war than a Ret. General does? But if we are talking about a Vietnam POW, well you can't argue with a thing he says because he has battle "experience".
It's insane!
just more flak to confuse the masses.
joe's another head that desparately needs his ass kicked. and i mean that in a good way.
a good ass kicking is just what you need sometimes.
yellowdogD @ 30:
He is the head of the DLC...
The DLCers should change their party affiliation and cut the middle man: they walk like repugs, they talk like repugs, and hard as they try to squeak like a dem... they still sound like a repug.
Fuck'em...
FinalSay @ 23:
Yes the surge worked, much like the elephant repellant I have been spreading on my lawn
sounds like joe wants off the ship. he's setting up a him or me throw down, and those things never work out well.
Biggus Diggus @ 42:
Sorry. Didn't realize this was a closed Circle Jerk.
By all means, continue....
Have fun, guys.
that's really laughable: Scarborough putting olberman down. Keith has so much more on the ball than this shill for the right wing conservatives. But Morning Joe has attained his lot in life, he achieved a major position on a network. There will come a time Scarborough. If you're as smart as you think you are, you must know how wrong the right wing is on everything. You must know that Bush is a power hungry dunderhead and his entourage is only interested in lining their oil filled pockets. If you don't know that, then you fall right in line with the other conservatives. quit pretending that you're anything else and get in line right behind elmer fudd...Lieberman.
I Love those Republican talking points. Who is pulling the strings to make Ford repeat this Garbage?
I am so glad that this Lieberman from Tennessee did not get elected into the Senate.
He is a total disgrace.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 12:
Yes, what the f*ck is with Harold Ford, is he the token liberal in this discussion? Because if he is, he's worthless as balls on a priest. Nice job of supporting your party's choice there Harold. Obama needs to give him a good swift kick in the ass.
Scarborough's job, and he does it well, is to ram the "McCain was right, the surge worked" down everybody's throats. The only reason there was any success at all to the surge was due to the fact that several of the Sunnit and Shiite leaders who opposed us have told their people to cool it for a while. They're waiting for Bush to leave.they figure they've got a better chance of getting what they want then.
I believe KO has the balls to not let the fucking douchebag Scarborough get away with it.
It'll be interesting to see.
I thought you had to be stupid to be on TV.
In regards to how KO might handle this, I would hope he doesn't go overly nuts on JS and lay out the facts, and only the facts about all of this. CBS violated their own policies doing what they did. Sen. McCain did what he did.
RickyK @ 49:
Well, that was easy. Cut n' run!
Methinks fratboy Joe Scarborough is the stupid one. The question wasn't if the Sunni Awakening would have "survived" without the surge, but if it happened "because of" or "after" the surge. And, according to history, the Sunni Awakening happened "before" the surge.
Another mistake from this interview.
RickyK @ 37:
LOL. Love it. I agree with a lot of things Mika and Keith say but I also gotta admit that both of them are complete idiots - Totally lost without a teleprompter.
I thought Olberman was on ESPN. I always liked him. He does politics now?
Wow, could this be the start of an intranetwork flame war? I've asked KO on DKos why he hasn't taken extreme exception to some of the racist rants that have been recently spewed forth by some colleagues like he does with similar comments from other networks or right wing wackos in general. Never got an answer on that (he had replied to my previous comment which I find highly commendable that he take the time to reply to any comments). I have thought however that there must be a corporate gag order that you can't openly criticize the other network personalities. Could this be the moment that cookie crumbles? Love to see KO deliver some of his righteous smack downs to the likes of Scar and Buchanon.
Joe S. - repug forward catapult - "Obama keeps denying that the surge has worked"
H. Ford - token "democrat" - chuckle chuckle
Republicans are too stupid to realize their getting their asses kicked. Maybe their still looking for that Iraq-Afghanistan border.
btw, does anyone know when we started paying the insurgent groups not to kill us?
was it before or after the surge
I will guarantee you the host that ran it, were waving their arms, had no idea whether the Sunni Awakening, or, or or, the surge began at the same time.
They're not running for President. What's McCain's excuse?
excellent show with Wilkerson on On Point a few days ago.
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/07/20080722_a_main.asp
Scarborough's Congressional record is frightening - sponsored a bill to have the US leave the UN and voted to remove public funding for PBS.
McCain the Confused @ 63:
Or states #51 through #57. Or a concentration camp called "Auschwitz" in Germany that their uncle helped liberate.
fairwatcher @ 60:
Not making fun of you, but you really don't watch much TV these days, right?
Olberman's "Countdown" on MSNBC is the best.
It was a fairly typical Rovian deflection of the question, and they need to be called on it.
1. The Anbar awakening started before the surge. McCain claimed it started after and as a result of the surge, and made a big fuss about Obama 'arguing with HISTORY.' McCain got the history backwards, and CBS covered his gaff.
2. Joe tried to deflect the question by asserting that the surge is what SUSTAINED the Sunni blowback against the terrorists in Anbar. THAT is a matter of OPINION. That it started BEFORE the surge is a matter of FACT.
3. The fact that McCain was making a big deal out of the 'historical' facts that he claimed Obama got wrong, and ended up getting them backwards himself is the issue in this case. (Some people will go on arguing that the surge caused the decrease in violence, and others will go on arguing that the decrease in violence occured in SPITE of it, but neither argument can be proved. That's usually where right wingers like to pick their battleground. On arguments that can't be proved, because they have an advantage on emotional rhetoric, and a disadvantage on facts.)
4. The fact that McCain flubbed the history on the Anbar awakening is JUST AS RELEVANT as the fact that he flubbed the difference between Al Qaida and Iran, and flubbed the difference between Sunni's and Shiites, both of which Joe said were legitimate to talk about. In fact, it's more legitimate given McCain's making such an issue of 'history' and then getting history wrong.
That's TWICE this week that these guys have almost blown a gasket on the irony machine. They've got to start taking it easy or they'll break it.
pissed off patricia @ 15:
Nail on the head. Clarke graduated #1 in his class at West Point, is a retired four star General. Former NATO head General Guy. Olbermann went to Cornell University. And Joe wants to come off like he knows more than they do? Joe is a putz.
This seems like a minor point when you consider that McCain has been for the entire Iraq debacle all the way thru. Just chalk this latest "gaffe" up to another problem he has, which is that he lies a lot. Once you consider those two points, the rest pales in comparison. It's almost not worth the breath it takes to even discuss anything else. He's not fit to be president of the local Kiwanis, let alone the U.S.
Hey fine by me. Let these hacks spend all their time, energy, and remaining credibility defending their idol's competence.
Not so long ago, the conventional 'wisdom' was that McCain was not only competent in foreign policy matters; he was the master. Now they're desperately spinning just to convince us all that he's not a complete fool on the subject.
Lie away, Joe. It's not the hill I'd want to die on, but you go right ahead.
foolme1ns @ 7:
I disagree - some repugs lie, others are so stupid that they don't even realize that most of the crap they repeat are lies. Technically, I don't think it's lying if you believe something to be the truth.
I think the majority of repugs fall into this latter category.
surfjac @ 55:
Maybe you are correct on this. Olbermann should just go have a little "conversation" with The Scar.
Just another apologist for Mr McGoo. Not surprising. Republicans get bent out of shape when Democrats use their tactics........whine and cry like a little bully who just got his ass kicked. They've perfected the attack game, as Gen. Clarke said, taking things out of context, twisting it around and then attacking with it. McCain has been ruthlessly attacking Obama the last week, basically, calling him a traitor. Joe knows this. He is not too stupid to be on TV. He is just a liar and a piece of shit.
What's it like when one of the people you name as "worst person in the world" someone you deal with on election nights?
Joe should be Lieberman's press secy.... Talk about liars lying to the lying!!! That would be fun....
Why should anyone listen to this fool..The FACTS can be read in the REAL press...only acting here....Neocon wannabee extraordinaire...
Daingel @ 4:
That only proves that we have to put a surge on top of the SURGE. Seems fairly obvious to me that if it worked the first time, it'll work better the second or third time.
The whole damned war based on lies was a war crime, the surge is irrelevant. It's Bush's war and McDope is killing himself to make it his war.
fairwatcher @ 60:
Time to wake up from your nap John.
Pericles @ 79:
True...it worked in Vietnam? Didn't it?
Biggus Diggus @ 27:
The lack of standards and ethics is appalling. The threat to a free and effective press or democracy is obvious.
They say the MSM is in the tank for Obama? WHHHAAATTT? This would never happen if Walter Cronkite were still alive.
And yes, everyone is right, MSNBC should send Joe to Faux News for a real journalist to be named later and HIRE RACHEL MADDOW, full-time, ASAP!
Looking forward to seeing Joe be given the two words last uttered on MSNBC to Don Imus......
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRED!
If I had any reason watch his show, that just left.
Speaking of hackery... one of the C&L contributors should re-watch today's edition of the Situation Room. Unsurprisingly, there is no mention whatsoever of McCain's CBS gaffe. But Candy Crowley's snide report on Obama's trip tp Israel was unprecendented, even for her. Wolf is about do an entire segment on Obama's alleged flip-flopping on Iran, also. You'd think Obama was having his shittiest week ever.
On the flip-side, Dana Bash's report on McCain was positively glowing. The contrast was stark. In fact, the entire hour, led by Blitzer, was an AIPAC hit-job.
Btw, if there's a bigger hack in mainstream reporting than Dana Bash, I've yet to see him/her. I honestly think she's on the McCain campaign payroll.
Good ole Joe! You can always count on him using anything to keep up his Repug talking points! What a tool. Reminds me of our former Senator Santorum.
PorridgeGun @ 85:
Since McSame is running a campaign that is eerily close to Bush's, there no doubt that Payola 2 is around the corner, maybe even another Jeff Gannon....
RickyK @ 49:
There's nothing wrong with criticizing Olbermann -- I have my own criticisms of him (has the same milquetoast panelists on every night who mostly agree with Keith), but when you start using terms like "libtard" and "circle jerk" you are using the words of trolls. I've criticized the Greek chorus that occasionally develops on blogs like this and gotten the knee-jerk "you're a troll" response, but I think your words were indeed trollish.
This guy has always seemed like a self-important and angry blowhard, when he appears on Real Time. I think KO has a much higher emotional and intellectual IQ than this narcissistic child. Just a poor man's Nagelschwanz O'Reilly.
KO does occasionally get a little full of himself and sometimes becomes a blowhard, but he is intelligent, very literate, and principled. He has apologized on some occasions when he has been wrong and when guest hosts have taken poor taste potshots at people. He certainly seems like the most intelligent thinker on all the commentator/news shows.
Way to go Harold! This is why you are a totally irrelevant political figure, you and your near dead DLC. And you wonder why Barack did not attend the dying DLC conference. What happened at CBS was done for two reasons, and anyone with an objective, honest mind could see this. First, it was done to stir up a controversy between McCain and Obama, by using the quote by McCain saying Obama would rather lose a war, than lose an election. Second, it was to protect McCain from the many, many gaffes he has made. I would say this last one was, by far, his worst. What happened at CBS was nothing short of tabloid journalism, shooting for the quick story of a spat between the candidates, rather than report the substance and mistakes of what McCain said. Joe needs to get a life. The idea McCains incorrect remarks concerning the surge, with this being his main issue of competence in this campaign, his reason for being the next President, was of major circumstance. And Harold Ford showed, once again, how much ass he will kiss to be relevant, somewhere, anywhere, even on "Cup of Joe". Question to Scarborough and other right wing hacks, at what point does McCains gaffes, mistakes, whatever name you want to give them, when exactly do they become an issue for voters to take into account, with a man approaching 72 years of age?
Yes, Armstrong Williams and Jeff Guckert/Gannon are just the tip of the paid off media scandal. Somebody in the media might investigate, but, uh, they're probably all in on the scam.
So then I guess McCain would be too stupid to serve as president?
But then you can't go by Scarborough's word, he's such a douch he's not even worth his weight in...in douch!
GOPnot4me @ 83:
It will be a surprise to the still living Cronkite that he's dead.
All this means is that when you google 'Joe Scarborough' in conjunction with 'too stupid to be on TV ', the results have shot up 2% since yesterday.
Hey Joe, this may be painfully obvious to most readers, but 'you' dude.... are certainly not one to call anyone else stupid.. Ya freaking dimbulb......JD
wHY
Don't forget the 'other' host Scar is talking about is Abrams, his boss. I hope joe schmoe gets fired right away.
Joe just unzipped his fly and whipped it out. He going to show Keith his manhood. You know those studios can get kind of cold, Joe. Watch out for shrinkage.
Joe who?
Why is eveyone scare to bring up Joe past, it was an Intern that died in his officce,then he goes on Imus and say that I had sex with her then I killed here he thought it was a joke but somebody lost their daughter, please call him on this,
Those beady eyes of Joe "Why is there a dead what in my office?" Scab-row get so small when he's pissed and having to carry water...
That DLCock Howard can go fuck himself and all his cross-burning neighbours...
I understand 'some people' feel they have to pretend to be a Rethug to get elected, so why not join that Party if that would suit the career better?
C'mon, Howie, show some balls and change parties. (Just don't show 'em with JJ Sr. around)
95% of politicians are not political idealists, being in government is just about the only job they know how to do...legally.
FinalSay @ 23:
I'm afraid it's people like you who are in denial my friend. The surge did one thing: It reduced violence, but that depends on how you view it.
The goal of the surge was to create the security needed for 16 political goals of the Iraqi government to be accomplished. Most have to do with creating the stable government we need so right-wingers like yourself can declare "Mission Accomplished" again. You do remember the banner right?
To date, they have managed to accomplish 3 of them. In addition, the Iraqi government is a fragile coalition with the major Sunni and Kurdish blocks essentially boycotting, leaving the majority Iranian/US-back Shiites in control. No oil deal, no agreement on Kirkuk, and no plan for the future.
As for a reduction in violence, some things to consider that are the real reasons it happened:
1. Anbar province, and Al-Qaeda base we helped create, got sick of that group's presence and kicked them out. Before that, they helped them kill us.
2. We are now paying the insurgents not to attack us and instead guard their own neighborhoods so we don't have to. Question: What happens when we stop paying? 'Cause it's getting expensive. For an answer, see #1.
3. Ethnic cleansing works. Now that the major ethnic and sectarian groups are divided by concrete walls ala Berlin, killings are down. Yeah, now that's a country that has a future.
4. We changed strategy. Because of #1, #2, and #3, we can now set up firebases and hold ground. I admit, it helps keep the violence down. It's not about numbers because we had the same level of troops there before. It's about tactics.
So before you dance around and sing happy Republican songs, realize that our gains are attributable to many factors, and those gains are fragile. The reality is, the Iraqis will wait us out. When we leave, or perhaps sooner, the bloodshed will continue. I guarantee you that.
And one more thing, in the end, when our troops finally come home, and that is a maybe, what will they have died for? An illegal occupation of another country? To put an Iranian-backed government in control?
It's a long view like this, that prevents me and others like K.O. from handing McCain any victory prizes. That ain't denial, that's reality.
Scar calling KO stupid ?! Hahahaha !
Since Tucker left, Joe is the Homer Simpson of MSNBC. Joe's been a little uptight lately since KO's career is going upward and his is going down the poopshoot.
What is that woman doing there? What is her function? She lets him walk all over her -- and the truth, and us. Just once wouldn't it be nice to see Rachel Maddow substitute for her --she'd wipe the floor with him. THEN she gets her own show. In his timeslot.
Ah, well, a man can dream.
Harold Ford from Tennessee addressing his master,
"yes sir" and "yes sir" and yes sir, the Sunni Awakening
would not be possible w/o the surge. Yes sir, Harold
pay attention now because I'm only going to say this once.
Ready? The Sunni Awakening occurred before the surge.
The Awakening happened in Sept 2006. The surge was
announced in Jan 2007 three months after General
McFarland announced the success of the Sunni Awakening.
Unless Scar and McCain are referring to "The Anbar Story" where
surge troops traveled back in time from 01/2007 to 09/2006, defeated Al Quida
in Anbar and met themselves coming into Anbar sometime in
April 2007. This explains the "Anbar Paradox" where the surge
troops met themselves coming and going resulting in a ripple
in the fabric of time itself. Yes sir!
FinalSay @ 23:
Things haven't been the same since Glenn Beck's hemorroidal mishap, but the Olbertrolls continue to show their homoerotic sexual frustration toward KO.
I was deployed in Iraq from the Fall of 2006 until late 2007. I first heard about the Anbar Awakening in 2006, at least 6 months before there was any debate about even having a Surge, let alone it actually being implemented.
I generally don't mind Joe Scarborough, but he needs to get his head in gear. KO is spot on with this.
Nope, Scar was overwelmingly voted the biggest and absolute dumbest Asshole yet ever on his low rated tv show. Scar is sooooo damn jealous of Keith and has good reason to be.
As I said yesterday, the media will, after the whiney mcKeatingFive video, go all out to attack Obama and to support McC*nt as he spews lie after idiotic lie.
I'm not asking for any special credit for this BECAUSE I AM CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS THAT THE SCLM IS IN THE TANK FOR McLOBBYISTLOVER.
Do you think that Joe Scarborough is so pissy because he has been reduced to the television equivalent of a kaffeeklatsch? Or is it because his face looks like a Mr. Potato Head that has melted?
I liked Joe Scarborough one time, the night he did a segment on his old MSNBC show with this question on the screen he answered in the affirmative: Is President Bush stupid?
I thought he showed promise, but I waaaaaaay wrong.
StirFry @ 107:
Wow. Way to go McCain Bloogers. Go get yer points on the McCain computing site and win some free punchcards.
Too stupid to be on teve huh Joe? Joe wouldn't know his ass if it sat on his head.
That was NOT me @ 59 folks.
That WAS me @ 10 and 41.
There is either another user calling him/herself "bateman" or someone's f-ing around.
Please confirm site monitor?
Scar joked while on Imus that he gave up his Congressional seat because he had an affair w/ an aid and he had to murder her...
Lori Klausutis was an aide that worked in his campaign office that supposedly passed out alone there in the middle of the night, while in good health, and hit her head bluntly on a desk edge and died, a week after rumors of an affair between the two had surfaced and a week after Scar resigned from his seat to spend more time w/ 'family'. Hmmm...
Scum.
LOL!!
YOU WISH! - ass-hat.
Still dating interns Joe?
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Norwood Woman @ 112:
He is, as he was and always will be a Tom Delay bug crusher.
Scar is a pin head just like Zippy....Imagine my shock when I learn that a Liberal Media entity edits a video of a story to help make the republican candidate look better....just imagine my shock!!
ek in mpls @ 6:
Nooo ... Rachel is much Too fine to be up that early ...
But YES ... Joe needs to Go ...
Yea, and the sunni fighters with american blood on their hands will not be given amnesty. (oh, never mind)
Biggus Diggus @ 27:
You're correct, it isn't done in true journalism. But just how is journalism involved in this infotainment blabberfest?
yakfitguy @ 103:
Right on. Nobody seems to remember the Saudi gov (and others) were pumping a vast amout of money into the Sunni areas long before the so called surge. What were they doing? Paying protection money to the sunni warlords, don't kill the Americans. By this time the different areas had pretty much been purged of the other faction. But the MSM will do it's best to get McCain elected. We must have their OIL, and then Iran's.
Most of the corporate shills/pundits like Joe are the dregs of society.
Hit and run drivers, pathological liars, bubbleheads, hillbilly heroin addicts, toe suckers and future felons.
Joe knows a thing or two about burying stories.
Google "Lori Klausutis".
The corporate propaganda machine doesn't want America to know about Joe's pre-pundit life . Another "family value" Republican who resigned from office to "spend more time with his family"...yeah right.
This race is going to be closer than me think. Many Americans are ignorant and want to remain so, and we all know it. Maybe I'm crazy, but I talk about this stuff every day with friends (e-mail) and people at work. Most just block me out. It's so much easyer to just go along with the mocho thinking. Not to do so means you would have to explain yourself (your thinking), too much effort required.
Lets see...Joe says KO is "too stupid to be on TV"
History says Joe resigned from Congress after rumors say he's having an affair w/an intern. Said intern is later found dead in Joe's office. Now he flounders on daytime television.
KO took his Ivy-league education and parlayed it into a successful career at ESPN followed by one of the more successful cable news programs and he's written a couple of best-selling books too.
yeah Joe, keep on living in Fantasyland...
Even if everything Scarborough said was absolutely true- that wouldn't be a valid excuse for invading in the first place.
Hopefully Joe just bought himself a one way ticket to Faux News.
The Scar is too stupid to know he's too stupid to be on TV. The sooner MSNBC dumps this dead weight the better. What a dickweed.
That's right if Joe had his way, he would have fellated McBush to make sure esteem was not badly bruised. Instead that meanie Olbermann ratted McBush and CBS out. tsk,tsk
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN1519972020070916
anbar awakening
If Couric, Scartissue and McCain were discussing the Superbowl......
Couric: Senator Obama has said that something psychological might have affected the Patriots in the last quarter to cause them to lose in a grand upset. What do you say to that?
McCain: Oh, that's just so dumb. It shows that Obama has no idea how football works. When the Patriots won the Superbowl, it was because they were the best team, and scored more home runs, and they did so because of good old fashioned American know-how.
CBS: Well, that's embarrassing. Let's give the guy a break. Edit in a different answer.
[later]
Scartissue: You know what? I guarantee you that the liberals who are complaining that McCain doesn't understand football don't understand football themselves. And the ones who do so on tv, are too stupid to be on tv. Is there any question that the Patriots are one of the most psychologically fit teams in the league? Of course not. They were undefeated. And while there is a controversy over whether they actually lost the Superbowl -- some people say that that last touchdown wasn't legitimate and that the refs called it that way -- there is no question that they are a better team than the Giants, and that nothing psychological bothered them in those last minutes of the game. No question about it. Now, does McCain sometimes mix up home runs and touchdowns? Yeah, that's ok to talk about, but to make it seem like his whole statement was wrong? Laughable. Damned liberal media.
It's not 'Cotton Eyed Joe', but 'Beadie Eyed Joe'.
With regard to the Repuglican Noise Committee, Joe Scarborough would lie even if the truth sounded better.
What do you expect from a republican?
When Scarborough speaks of Olberman being too stupid to pay attention to the events of recent history he is really talking about his own lack of proper attention to the events in Iraq. He assumes everyone else at MSNBC must be as lazy and inattentive as himself. How does he know how good a memory Olberman has or has not? When Cuppa Joe had a show in the evening time I regularly caught him screwing up his facts on the recent history of Iraq. The guy is a hack and a bad lazy one too.
Sorry, I just couldn't listen to this smug asshole anymore. For him to criticize KO is really hypocritical. This "bor wanna-be" has got his head so far up his ass, and his crew let him get away with his bullying techniques, I just can't bring myself to watch his "repug smirk" as he leads the morons down the block.
Go to hell joe. You are worthless and a shill. "You shouldn't throw stones if you live in glass houses", and you certainly do.
Liz @ 129:
Very well said, Liz.
Bears repeating.
I think I will:
The Scar is too stupid to KNOW... What a dickweed.
Just look at the line up of idiots that claim to know politics: Joe, Tucker, Pat, Andrea, Tweety. The only two people who have any cred is KO and RM.
First it was the Anbar awakening.
Maybe soon we'll also get to see the McCain Awakening??!! Nah......
Time to throw Harold Ford Jr. on the scrap heap of "gone but not forgotten"
It's pretty simple folks, you either support the policies of your party, or you switch affiliations.
What you DON'T do is act like an ass and give the other party validation for their warped agenda.
Wow.
Check out the ratings for Morning Joe at:
TVNewser
Why are people paying for T.V.? Why would you pay for this noise polution for your living room? To even discuss any aspect of the Iraqi war and pretend to be a rational thinker is comical. These guys need to go there and smell the death and destruction our goverment, with all their buzz words and propaganda, have gifted to this country.
Joe Scarborough couldn't hold a light to Keith Olbermann. Joe should thank Imus for saving his worthless ass. When he preceeded Keith he was on the brink of getting the same thing that Tucker (bow tie) Carlson got. Joe has to have those two others on his show or nobody would watch anyway. Joe is an asshat as stupid as McSame.
This non-sense about the Surge working is stupid. The question has always been why are they trying to occupy a country split between three tribes with too few troops. That is after the question: why did we occupy this country in the first place? They posed no threat to us and we invaded them illegally and immorally. Why are the thugs focusing on a military tactic instead of a policy of our nation? The President is not the general. McSame is arguing a military tactic and is disregarding the bigger picture of what the NATION should be doing. Rethuglicans are bad for the world and McSame is not good for this country.
sluggo @ 141:
Just looked at the ratings. I had no idea they were so low for Joe...... Way to go Joe; and when he gets fired( it's gonna happen soon)I hope he ,Mika,Willy, and Harry starve to death!
Isn't it funny people who can't argue the facts end up resorting to insulting others intelligence. He insults Olbermann and Maddow over stuff like this. Yet they both do cake-walks around his head on talking points all the time.
Joe, whoever told you you could work with MEN? You child. You beady-eyed hack.
Biggus Diggus @ 27:
EXACTLY!
...Once again proving that when McBush doesn't have a teleprompter to read off of or a list of talking points to repeat, or if a question goes SLIGHTLY off-message, he fucks it up.
He's done it time and time again. Here, McCain tried to be quick on his feet and pull another imaginary fact out of his ass, and he got BUSTED COLD.
And somebody at CBS not only COMPLETELY EDITS OUT McBush's fuck-up, but they splice it so that McCain can TWICE repeat a GOP Talking Point that has NOTHING to do with what Couric asked!?
You mean to tell me there's not a McCain operative in that CBS editing room? Who in the fuck else would've edited the interview that way? Some dirty hippie librul behind a control desk?
Couric and CBS should be ashamed of themselves, and I'm glad they got NAILED on this.
And I love Scar COMPLETELY changing the subject. He's so desperate. So transparent.
Don't worry. He'll be off the air in no time.
I am relieved that Joe is finally showing his true colors as a Republican Mouthpiece. Didn't his Constituents figure him out, and subsequently relieve him of his office? Maybe it's time for his ratings to be boot him off the air as well.
So long Joe; America is tired of sycophants like you.
Unfortunately, many viewers / voters have no idea as to the history of the surge, the Anbar Awakening, etc. Many will simply go with the last thing that they hear from the MSM; and toodle along with their heads firmly implanted in their behinds. Lies can be repeated so often that many begin to simply accept them as fact. McCain knows this. The MSM knows this (they have been doing it for so long truth is no longer in thier collective vocabularies). Besides, many just want to be told what to think anyway.
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