The Germans will be disappointed if they expect the Dems to be much different than the GOP, the only difference between a Dem president and a GOP president is that what one does with rough-boot hard power, the other does with velvet-glove soft power. I'd like a president that would drop the hegemony idea, as we effectively ended that in 2003 when we invaded Iraq against the will of the stable and unstable parts of the world. It seems both Obama and McPapen think the hegemony still exists. They are fools to think so, and it'll surprise them.

Could also be that like a lot of people, they were happy to take off from work for a few hours and enjoy the outdoors.

...to politely greet a U.S. presidential candidate, which is to say, it doesn’t tell us much.

Maybe her not having to fend off an unwanted backrub from an oblivious jackass tells us something. Maybe not. But then again, maybe so.

All you have to know about Obama's trip abroad is this, if McCain had made this trip and their was this much enthusiasm you wouldn't be hearing one single negative thing said by the mainstream media. Not one.

They would be saying that McCain was bridging the divide between our allies and restoring American leadership abroad with his "straight talk" way of making his points, and how much he belongs on the world stage and knows how to deal with foreign heads of state and just how gosh darn presidential he really is. And so on, and so forth. This whole thing would be seen as a positive.

Make no mistake, the mainstream media is his base, as the CBS interview that was "edited" for him shows. If Obama had made that mistake....and on and on it goes.

It's just so refreshing to see a presidential candidate with intelligence who can speak and articulate his ideas - something BUsh and McCain will never have.

Unfortunately, to a lot of Americans being smart, articulate and attractive is a threat.

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

uh...that would be a yes....for them

I think there is some candidate envy going on here. Sen. Obama doesn't need the press kissing his ass, he's making his progress with or without them.

The repubs are most likely jealous and envious when they look at their candidate and then at Sen. Obama. Their candidate is elderly, often "misspeaks" and has little to no personal appeal. The Dem candidate is young, well spoken, and the essence of charisma.

Nothing is going to change so all the press and the repubs can do is attack to relieve their deep down envious feelings.

Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 11:

The GOP is fucking terrified. And they should be. Obama basically makes McCain look like a total asshole by speaking in front of 200,000 admiring people in Germany. The world already sees Obama as president. They want him to be our president. Why? Because they see him as not insane. They see him as reasonable, as intelligent, as flexible. They see him as someone they are willing to get behind. That's an incredible position to be in!!!

Jesus, America... Please don't elect McCain. The world would never forgive us. And with McCain, our foreign policy would be even more in the toilet than it is now (if that's possible).

Well said and I agree wholeheartedly. The world is ready for a sentient being running things in America.

FYI
Rep. Dennis Kucinich will be on C-span at 10:00 (eastern time)
Judiciary Cmte. will be holding a "hearing on the executive power and the Bush Admin. The hearing is partly based on a single article of impeachment he brought against Pres. Bush, and on alleged misconduct and unlawful expansion of executive power."

Bob Barr and others will testify. Could be interesting.

Now back to your regular scheduled programming or commenting.

But the king McCain says:

"Cuss the doctor Obama! What do we k'yer for HIM? Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?"

- Mark Twain, Huck Finn

ramjet @ 9:

When Obama shakes hands with Chancellor Merkel, U.S. voters get to see a candidate smiling alongside a world leader. It tells us that a German head of state is willing to politely greet a U.S. presidential candidate, which is to say, it doesn’t tell us much.

I take your point, but I think you give the U.S. public too much credit. Most folks just look at the pictures. That's what stays in their heads. Sad but true. So for both good and bad, the pictures from this trip will have a greater bearing on the perception of Obama than the substance. And no doubt mant GOPers will spin the Victory Column rally as Third Riech, and use the pictures to invoke that. I wish I had more faith in our electorate, but I after two terms of Bush, I don't.

Never forget that George W Bush was NEVER elected as POTUS. He was appointed by his Poppy's SCROTUM SCOTUS and FOXNoise and dirty tricks. Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Jackie @ 19:

What's interesting is Americans let a stupid, drunk, druggie be President of the USA for two terms knowing he would bringing the US down while Americans did nothing and asked no questions when he lie to our faces.

Reason doesn't stand a chance against happy hour at Hooters or standing in a line for the next Ipod-Iphone.

on morning joe (blows) j.s. thought it was brilliantly snnarkie for McSame to go to a german restaurant. to me it just seemed pathetic but joe thought it would play so well with middle america. so very desparate.

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

Apparently for some, yes.

"waaaaaaah, waaaaaaah, Obama kicked my dog, waaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaah"
~LAC, swampy, johnny, and harley.

Many are called but few are chosen.
Barack is a leader.........McCain is a wanna be.
Apparently many people around the world feel his optimism.........McCain is a parot.

ramjet @ 27:

Mick @ 22:

ramjet @ 9:

I take your point, but I think you give the U.S. public too much credit. Most folks just look at the pictures. That's what stays in their heads. Sad but true. So for both good and bad, the pictures from this trip will have a greater bearing on the perception of Obama than the substance. And no doubt mant GOPers will spin the Victory Column rally as Third Riech, and use the pictures to invoke that. I wish I had more faith in our electorate, but I after two terms of Bush, I don't.

Never forget that George W Bush was NEVER elected as POTUS. He was appointed by his Poppy's SCROTUM SCOTUS and FOXNoise and dirty tricks. Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Bush was re-elected in 2004.

Ohio was stolen by, once again, dirty tricks. Tens of thousands of Democratic ballots were found in a dumpster for Jeebus sake. They didn't even bother to cover their tracks that well. I realise what you are saying. In any case it was a close election. Nevertheless, Dim Son has NEVER won a clean national election and this fact should NEVER be forgotten - despite anything that loudmouth goomba Scalia has to say.

I think the good people of Germany are just glad that our presiden... oops, our CANDIDIATE for president did not grab their chancellor by the neck and threaten to choke off her oxygen alll the while looking like a 14-year-old goof ball snapping some classmates bra strap.

2 to 4 point lead in the polls? Polls results are a direct consequence of the questions asked . You rig them by framing the question or questions. Example: Who is better to save us from brown skinned heatren terrorists? Experienced White father figure and war hero republican candidate John McCain or inexperienced black Muslim radical democrat with a foreign name Barak Obama.

fatrobot @ 29:

leader of the free world?
and what is that supposed to mean?
last time i checked the US was a country all to itself
is the US the leader of Canada, Sweden Denmark, Norway, England?
this phrase 'leader of the free world' is totally without meaning and lacks respect for the sovereignty of the OTHER countries that make up the free world
get a grip

Thank you!

The whole "leader of the free world" makes me cringe... The cold war is over, and the "evil empire" is long gone. I never understood why Americans, and I know generalizations are odious, who are for the most part greatly ignorant of the world around them.... how come they feel somehow entitled to lead something (the world) that they give two shits about.

The "American" century is over, some people should learn to move on. I have travelled the world, and I have lived half of my life abroad... and the whole notion that the world is somehow in pins and needles about this country, or that they lose their panties to follow America as the "beacon" of freedom and all that bullshit is ridiculous.

I think the right is terrified of the photo-op. They've spent years using photo-ops to convey a message that was actually the opposite of what was going on. I read somewhere that they did this to create a strong visual on the theory that most people watch the news with the volume down and the visual will over ride what is actually happening. See e.g., "Clear Skies," "Mission Accomplished," Bush in New Orleans, . . . They know the power of those images and are scared sh*tless that Obama has a great visual looking presidential in front of so many people.

On Dan Abrams last night some right wing clown was saying that Obama's trip "undermined the president of the United States." He never did say how, he just kept repeating it ala "he's an appeaser cause he appeases by appeasing." He said it would be true of any candidate, who shouldn't go overseas and do major policy speeches when not the president. He had no answer to Obama's status as a Senator, or that it wasn't really a policy speech at all. Finally, Ron Regan Jr. nailed him on McCain speaking in Canada. Lame response? That was on the same continent as the United States. Seriously. I think even he was trying not to laugh as he said it. Ultimately, it came down to being afraid of the visual: what really bothered him was all those people. Hopefully, someone can post the video, it was priceless.

LAConfidential@17 Do you ever have anything positive to say? ALL of your posts here are so negative. I'll bet you're great company at parties.

Why are the polls so close... land lines.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of the cell phone users that are of voting age are Obama supporters or at least the numbers are more 60-40. You can't poll those people accurately.

Polls mean nothing now.

Considering how long it has taken for McCain to even make a dent into Obama's lead, goes to show that Obama doesn't have to have a super wide margin. Hell, the media doesn't want the election to be a landslide -- they'll lose potential ad revenue. It's in the media's best interest to keep this race as close as possible.

L.A. Confidential @ 35:

Brainwashed

Let it go man... time to learn to move on. Seriously.

If BillO can talk about body language then so can I. Each person Obama has met on his trip looked immediately at ease with Sen. Obama, as did he with them. They knew he wasn't going to try to upstage them or act like a fool. They looked to feel comfortable in his company. I'm sure it was a nice change for them. I'm betting some of those same people have dreaded their visits with bush.

Karyn @ 21:

McCain (and the media supporters) are coming across as whiney....petulant....." LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME....!" .......worse than our five-year-old grandkid's temper tantrum....

and yet, the so-called 'news' people give McCain the same level of support that is given to the current whiney, petulant, temper-tantrum throwing CIC....

We have already had eight years of this crap....and yet, Americans want more....because McCain is a 'war hero'.

ack.....

McCain is NOT a war hero.

He's a POW who made Anti-American speeches in North Vietnam. He said he was tortured and lied (proving, once again, that torture is not a valid form of interrogation), yet he still supports the illegal acts the GOP has committed.

He supports a war criminal, is ready to commit even MORE war crimes, is obviously mentally impaired due to age, and graduated at the bottom of his class at his military academy. He cheated on his disabled wife, and abandoned his family after they waited for him to be released from a North Vietnamese prison for years.

The GOP seems to deliberately look for morally bankrupt idiots to act as their figureheads.

It's time for people to wake up. The war criminals should be in jail, not in a government office.

Put these people in the trash heap of history.

Left&Left @ 44:

LAConfidential@17 Do you ever have anything positive to say? ALL of your posts here are so negative. I'll bet you're great company at parties.

C'mon L&L, this is a BLOG.

Speak freely, but cleanly. that's all we ask.

Janet @ 23:

I don't get this msm "love affair" with Obama meme. Just wish someone would put in in perspective. Here is my shot at it....
You have two kids. One is a smart, handsome, intelligent and popular and yet you nitpick his every move constantly.
The other is an ugly little shit that throws temper tantrums and burned the house down and you ignore it, make excuses for him, and pat him on the head.
Who is the favorite?

That's such a good analogy. It also sounds like my life as I was growing up. Only difference is my sister never burned down the house.

Numinous @ 52:

Karyn @ 21:

McCain (and the media supporters) are coming across as whiney....petulant....." LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME....!" .......worse than our five-year-old grandkid's temper tantrum....

and yet, the so-called 'news' people give McCain the same level of support that is given to the current whiney, petulant, temper-tantrum throwing CIC....

We have already had eight years of this crap....and yet, Americans want more....because McCain is a 'war hero'.

ack.....

McCain is NOT a war hero.

He's a POW who made Anti-American speeches in North Vietnam. He said he was tortured and lied (proving, once again, that torture is not a valid form of interrogation), yet he still supports the illegal acts the GOP has committed.

He supports a war criminal, is ready to commit even MORE war crimes, is obviously mentally impaired due to age, and graduated at the bottom of his class at his military academy. He cheated on his disabled wife, and abandoned his family after they waited for him to be released from a North Vietnamese prison for years.

The GOP seems to deliberately look for morally bankrupt idiots to act as their figureheads.

It's time for people to wake up. The war criminals should be in jail, not in a government office.

Put these people in the trash heap of history.

... and then COMPRESS them down to a little, highly dense ball and drop it in the oil-slicked Gulf of Mexico.

We are watching the Neo-nut-bags unravel, they know they are going to lose and they are whining about it.

The Exotic, yet bitter Chico Hussein Escuela @ 47:

Sue @ 42:

I think the right is terrified of the photo-op. They've spent years using photo-ops to convey a message that was actually the opposite of what was going on. I read somewhere that they did this to create a strong visual on the theory that most people watch the news with the volume down and the visual will over ride what is actually happening. See e.g., "Clear Skies," "Mission Accomplished," Bush in New Orleans, . . . They know the power of those images and are scared sh*tless that Obama has a great visual looking presidential in front of so many people.

On Dan Abrams last night some right wing clown was saying that Obama's trip "undermined the president of the United States." He never did say how, he just kept repeating it ala "he's an appeaser cause he appeases by appeasing." He said it would be true of any candidate, who shouldn't go overseas and do major policy speeches when not the president. He had no answer to Obama's status as a Senator, or that it wasn't really a policy speech at all. Finally, Ron Regan Jr. nailed him on McCain speaking in Canada. Lame response? That was on the same continent as the United States. Seriously. I think even he was trying not to laugh as he said it. Ultimately, it came down to being afraid of the visual: what really bothered him was all those people. Hopefully, someone can post the video, it was priceless.

what McCain in Colombia ??

oops, sorry, same time zone as the eastern US.

Exactly! The most irritating part was that Reagan didn't get a chance to come back with "what about London?" before Abrams ended the segment. Though, I guess the answer would be "they speak English there."

Keep in mind that most republicans see any foreign country as a nerd to be shoved to the ground and relieved of his lunch money.

So popularity outside of Butte-Hole Wyoming is a liability with them.

When Obama shakes hands with Chancellor Merkel,

It is better to see Chancellor Merkel smiling and shaking hands with a candidate than recoiling and pulling away from a president that had just groped her inappropriately. Perhaps a President Obama can restore our standing with our former allies alienated by the decider in chief.

Brian @ 7:

I am an American living in Japan

Not everyone at the Berlin speech was German - there are several US bases in Germany with American families as well as a lot of Americans working in Europe, many also with families. A lot of them probably came to see one of the candidates from their absentee ballots live for a change.

pennis @ 63:

Barack Obama in Minnesota on June 3, on winning the Democratic nomination:“America, this is our moment. This is our time.”

Barack Obama in Berlin yesterday:“People of Berlin — people of the world — this is our moment. This is our time.”

Abraham Lincoln in Gettysburg: "Now the world will watch and remember what we do here."

Barak Obama in Berlin: "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here."

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Kevin Costner in 'Swing Vote': "America needs someone who’s bigger than their speeches.”

And your point is?

ThunderMonkey @ 46:

Why are the polls so close... land lines.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of the cell phone users that are of voting age are Obama supporters or at least the numbers are more 60-40. You can't poll those people accurately.

Polls mean nothing now.

Considering how long it has taken for McCain to even make a dent into Obama's lead, goes to show that Obama doesn't have to have a super wide margin. Hell, the media doesn't want the election to be a landslide -- they'll lose potential ad revenue. It's in the media's best interest to keep this race as close as possible.

In any case, I hope Americans continue to think the race is close! Seriously! What better way to get out the vote for Democrats than to keep thinking this is a close race? So let's hop to it!
I'm ok with this meme.
Less chance of them stealing this election too!
I'm already hearing how "there's a lot of illegals voting.... blah blah blah..."
Fu#%K it! We'll do it live!!
A close race it is!
Let's knock on doors, forward emails, contact new voters, and hit em all up with the dream come true of electing a sane, rational, and intelligent human being as the President of the United States: OBAMA!!!!

To Brian, No. 7: I agree that several kinds of apes could do a better job than our currant inhabitant of the White House, and I'm not being facetious. I'm serious and here's why: You could train a chimp to push a lever, one says "yes" and the other says, "no". You could ask the chimp a question: Should we invade Iraq? The chimp has a 50/50 chance of pushing the correct lever. George Bush has pushed the wrong lever every time. The environment, the security of the country, the education of our children, our foreign policy, our standing in the world, EVERYTHING this guy touches has turned to shit.

miss skeptic @ 74:

To Brian, No. 7: I agree that several kinds of apes could do a better job than our currant inhabitant of the White House, and I'm not being facetious. I'm serious and here's why: You could train a chimp to push a lever, one says "yes" and the other says, "no". You could ask the chimp a question: Should we invade Iraq? The chimp has a 50/50 chance of pushing the correct lever. George Bush has pushed the wrong lever every time. The environment, the security of the country, the education of our children, our foreign policy, our standing in the world, EVERYTHING this guy touches has turned to shit.

Bonzo goes to Washington?

Now I see how Bush fits into Regan's party...

Even if you buy into the foreign policy philosophy of Henry Kissinger (as most Repubs do, including John McCain who has him as a top advisor) that America doesn't have friends/allies, it only has interests (paraphrased), it is clearly in America's best interests to be well-liked and respected around the world. It would even help were we to engage in another nefarious, militaristic debacle like Iraq (of course until the rest of the world came to its senses). And this is really the bottom line in this election. Only one of these guys can go overseas and have 200K+ people show up to see him, waving flags (that aren't burning) and feeling generally optimistic about future relations with the US. An Obama presidency not only makes sense at this time, it is absolutely critical! Your Ralph Naders and your Bob Barrs and most certainly your John McGramps just ain't gonna cut it. Obama has done more in a week to help restore the tarnished image of this country than any of those yahoos could do in the next eight years (or in McCain's case, as much time as he has left). It's time for Americans to finally get one right (particularly the fracturous left) and really vote in our best interests. If I were a European (where McCain is essentially polling in the singel digits everywhere), I'd be pounding my head that the numbers are so close here (actually, I am anyway) and I'd be ready to completely disown America if they elected Captain Bringdown McCain.

By the way, here's a great article on the ineptitude of McCain:

My bad:
http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/McCain_Melts_Down.html

200,000 Germans showing up for Obama's speech was just wonderful! The United States has always been the World's big brother! They could always count on us coming to their defense when needed! In Germany, we were idolized for so many years! I know this personally, from having lived there for 2 years in the middle 60's! We'd all but lost that respect with the Bush/Cheney gestapo! That turn out yesterday, was a symbol of the hope and relief our European neighbors are feeling in believing the World's nightmare is almost over. There just isn't any possible way that the republicans can't see that! I't scares me to death thinking that a single one of them could still vote for McCain! The entire World has seen through Bush and Cheney, but how do we get through to the rethugs?

roooth @ 81:

You know, only our mainstream media could turn that speech into a negative. CNN can't talk about it without glibly prefacing it with references to Obama being a 'rock star' or it being a 'rock festival'. All while studiously ignoring the sad fact that McCain has trouble filling a grocery store aisle.

But McCain's inability to get people to show up and stay awake through the non-sensical snorers he calls speeches is somehow turned into a virtue, while Obama's apparent world-wide appeal and superior speaking ability is bad?

And even here, people are knocking Obama for his ability to draw huge crowds

Once again, we're letting the horse shit they shovel define the conversation. And, once again, Jon Stewart seems to be the only one willing to talk about the reality of McCain's absolute failure of a campaign.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=177449&title=obama...

And the poll bullshit: enough already! From the MSM, you'd think Obama should drop out because he isn't leading by triple digits. No mention of the fact that McCain has been an American Senator for decades, has a nationally known name, is a supposed war hero, and he can't even seem to get 5 pts ahead of someone who was a virtual unknown until this campaign - and that's a negative for Obama?????

Let's start challenging McCain to show proof of his supporters. If the polls show Obama and McCain neck in neck, where are the McCain crowds?? Every McCain speech looks like not much more than McCain, a sedated Cindy, and 40 narcoleptics. They have to stick him in tiny spaces because that's all he can fill, and they never pull back the cameras and show the crowds BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY.

At this rate, the GOP convention will have to be moved to the local Denny's banquet room to look crowded.

Which we will be told is a horrible thing for...Obama.

Nothing to add, this one just bears repeating.

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

Wingnuts see the enthusiasm for Obama in Europe as a problem. This just proves to them that he's a cheese-eating elitist. If the Euros love him, he must be bad for America.

lilorphant @ 5:

They're just sore because Obama is so well liked, and all this harrumffing just makes them look like spoiled sports.

The morons in Amerikuh will elect McSame. The U.S. has the dumbest fucking voters in the inner solar system! Specially thum thar bible thumping NASCAR genuises down south.

pissed off patricia @ 71:

dennis @ 63:

Barack Obama in Minnesota on June 3, on winning the Democratic nomination:“America, this is our moment. This is our time.”

Barack Obama in Berlin yesterday:“People of Berlin — people of the world — this is our moment. This is our time.”

Barak Obama in Berlin:Now the world will watch and remember what we do here."

Abraham Lincoln in Gettysburg: "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here."

To quote cheney, "So?"

He recycles pablum, patty. And not to single you out or anything, but you smell it, sip it, work it around your mouth for a few seconds and then swallow it like it's that special bottle of wine you've been saving for 30 years-when all it really is is Diet Coke.

Here's a challenge for any intrepid journalist, and a potentially great story:

By now the hotels should have all the reservations for the GOP Convention in August. It would be interesting to know if the hotels are fully booked. And the hookers.

Because if the hookers and hotels aren't already all booked for the GOP Convention - then McCain can bend over and kiss his ass good-bye.

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

No. What's hard for Bushevics and conservatives to understand is that respect and admiration abroad and good standing in the word community is necessary. They think America is the biggest, baddest kid on the block, and don't need no stinkin' cooperation from the rest of them there foreigners. Chest thumping is enough to get most of them in line, and for those who ain't a-scared by that, we can just invade and kick their ass.

They are upset because their president always presents himself without dignity and is so, well, unpresidential. Obama reminds everyone that this is how a true world leader should present himself (herself). Of course it gave him a boost. What else could it do. Let's see, GW in his stand-up routine about Wall Street being hung-over or Obama speaking eloquently to a crowd of 200,000. Hmmm. Yes, it must have hurt him. Of course.

BTW, how many more days until we can celebrate Bush's department from the oval office.

ramjet @ 27:

Mick @ 22:

ramjet @ 9:

I take your point, but I think you give the U.S. public too much credit. Most folks just look at the pictures. That's what stays in their heads. Sad but true. So for both good and bad, the pictures from this trip will have a greater bearing on the perception of Obama than the substance. And no doubt mant GOPers will spin the Victory Column rally as Third Riech, and use the pictures to invoke that. I wish I had more faith in our electorate, but I after two terms of Bush, I don't.

Never forget that George W Bush was NEVER elected as POTUS. He was appointed by his Poppy's SCROTUM SCOTUS and FOXNoise and dirty tricks. Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Bush was re-elected in 2004.

Was he really? If I remember correctly there was alot of corruption with that election...

The Dude @ 40:

The "American" century is over, some people should learn to move on. I have travelled the world, and I have lived half of my life abroad... and the whole notion that the world is somehow in pins and needles about this country, or that they lose their panties to follow America as the "beacon" of freedom and all that bullshit is ridiculous.

Right frickin' on!! Thanks for saying this out loud. The world is a much bigger place than just the U.S.

One point of positive spin:

Only an American Senator who may be the President of the US could draw such a crowd. You won't see the Chinese Premier or the President of Russia or a Senator from Brazil be so well received by the average citizen-on-the-street. Sorry for those countries, but no one is going to show up and stand for hours just to get a good historic photo.

That's a very, very, good positive for the US. The world is waiting for the US to be what can be and cheering for us to make good on our ideals.

(Come to think of it, I don't see any Repub getting crowds like this anywhere, even in the US -- maybe a lot of extra security.)

Amitola @ 97:

Sue @ 65:

dennis @ 63:

Barack Obama in Minnesota on June 3, on winning the Democratic nomination:“America, this is our moment. This is our time.”

Barack Obama in Berlin yesterday:“People of Berlin — people of the world — this is our moment. This is our time.”

Abraham Lincoln in Gettysburg: "Now the world will watch and remember what we do here."

Barak Obama in Berlin: "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here."

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Kevin Costner in 'Swing Vote': "America needs someone who’s bigger than their speeches.”

Uh, it was Lincoln who said "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here," not Obama. Think those two are reversed.

Geez, that Lincoln, nothing to him really but a bunch of speeches.

Right, Sue. See, this is the point - It's not just the Rep candidates, even the Repug "trolls" are too dumb to do anything but misquote, mislead, and lie.

For the life of me I can't see what is wrong with having a president who can inspire people with his speeches--we need someone to help folks get off their asses and start believing their country is up to all the challenges we face. And, wasn't Reagan lauded as "The Great Communicator"? So--she asks rhetorically--it's just when it's a Democrat that it's a problem, right?

roooth @ 89:

Brendan @ 83:

Sam Spiro @ 79:

What really bugs me is all of the talk on the Corporate Mainstream Media about how the 'media is in love with Barack' because it is focusing so much attention on him. in my opinion, this is simply a ploy to either a) get people behind the idea of a 'liberal media', b) focus so much on Barack in hopes of catching him in a gaffe or c) focus so much on barack that they minimize (as they have been doing) the many gaffes and flubs of McCain and Co. Either way, the media is doing this BECAUSE of McCain and their attemp to shield him from himself in the eyes of the public.

I think (speaking as a journalist) that Obama just gives you more to work with - whether you love him or hate him, there's just more content. Covering McCain amounts to 'McCain fucks up again...' It's the same old story. Obama offers more fodder - and then there is the added bonus that you can talk about how much you're talking about him, and whether or not it's a conspiracy.

Oh. please. McCain is running for PRESIDENT, and you're saying there is no story in the fact that NOBODY is coming out to see him?

Or no story in his apparent inability to know or remember essential facts about the job he wants?

No story in the criminal lobbyists he surrounds himself with?

Or the fact that his questionable military record is not being looked at because his military records, like Bush's, have suddenly disappeared?

You've pretty much summed up what's wrong with journalists: if it ain't right in front of your face on a teleprompter and if it can't be spit out in 2 second sound bites, it's not a story.

Yup, I'm a terrible person. I'm just like Hitler.

Of course those are important stories. The most important.

I was just making the observation that to most, everyday, common news consumers 'McCain is a menace and an asshole' now amounts to the same old story, regardless of what new reason you're covering it. It's becoming white noise to viewers and readers, left and right.

However, Obama gives you something new to talk about each time. (McCain is in the cheese aisle, Obama is in Berlin in front of 200,000... Who are you giving your very limited news space to: the pathetic shell of a candidate, or the New American Statesman?) Blame journalists. Blame American viewers and readers. Blame who you like.

As the aside of a somewhat trained observer: you're now seeing Obama's expectations problem - he has to be flawlessly presidential from here on in, while McCain just has to not choke on a pretzel before the election.

As a second aside: why has no one used the phrase: 'Once you go Barak, you don't go back'? Seriously...

Obama, like all politicians are self serving. None can be believed. What Obama is trumpeting is globalizm and an eventual one world government.
While Al Gore travels the world speaking about global warming (lies) the real issue for the global elite is population, and how to reduce it by the billions. We hear day in and day out across the world how important "WE" are, how the "leaders" of the world will protect us from ourselves and then with a strait face they tell us it's a good thing to use farmland to "grow" fuel.
I like visiting this site once in awhile but it seems it does nothing but advance the agenda of self serving global elitists from the liberal side of the scale, while ignoring the fact that both ends are the same.

dennis @ 101:

Karen @ 96:

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

No. What's hard for Bushevics and conservatives to understand is that respect and admiration abroad and good standing in the word community is necessary. They think America is the biggest, baddest kid on the block, and don't need no stinkin' cooperation from the rest of them there foreigners. Chest thumping is enough to get most of them in line, and for those who ain't a-scared by that, we can just invade and kick their ass.

No, Karen, we just don't think what candidate Germans like better should influence our decision. Or at least it's not at the top of our priorities. If they were in love with McCain, somehow I don't suspect it would hold much sway on your vote either.

While I perhaps should have omitted "and conservatives" from my statement, and left it at "Bushevics," you're off the mark.

To note that Bushevics do not believe international good standing and cooperation are necessary for our security and well being is not to argue that what Germans think is the most important criterion for deciding for whom to vote. International good standing and cooperation is important, Bushevics deny it, and you know it -- no matter the relative weight one gives it when casting a vote.

"Zbigniew Brzezinski to be the real power behind an Obama throne", By Eric Walberg, Online Journal, July 24, 2008

"As the United States election race enters the final stretch, Barack Obama as the candidate promising change is revealing his true colours, much to the despair of anyone actually expecting any change ... none of the above should come as any surprise to those familiar with his chief promoter and foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski."

Indeed, Brzezinski is the top Foreign Policy Adviser to Senator Obama and has brought on several key people.

"What’s especially ghoulish about all this is that there are four Brzezinski offspring who are all onboard the Obama wagon ... In Second Chance: Three Presidents and the Crisis of American Superpower, published last year, he lays out his New World Order agenda without so much as a blush. Apparently, there is a global political awakening going on ... Zbig said in endorsing Obama: 'What makes Obama attractive to me is that he understands that we live in a very different world where we have to relate to a variety of cultures and peoples'. Obama’s alleged global approach and trans-ethnic, trans-racial allure are right out of Zbig’s university textbook, or rather Second Chance, which will be the manual for the Obama campaign and presidency."

Senator Obama's "global approach" was on display the other day in Berlin, where the Senator called himself a "proud U.S. citizen and a fellow citizen of the world". You can depend upon Brzezinski to ensure that Obama considers himself a World Citizen before he thinks of himself as a "proud U.S. citizen".

Mick @ 105:

pennis @ 101:

No, Karen, we just don't think what candidate Germans like better should influence our decision. Or at least it's not at the top of our priorities. If they were in love with McCain, somehow I don't suspect it would hold much sway on your vote either.

In other words, Karen, we Repimps don't care what the rest of the world thinks; while you are unduly influenced by what the furriners think and are, therefore, unpatriotic ;)

No, not in other words, Mick. You other words, maybe, but I didn't say or imply that. In fact, what I did say is that it wouldn't matter to you if it were McCain who was the one who was preferred by Germans, either. And you'd be right on that.

David @ 117:

Sue @ 115:

Carey @ 110:

Obama, like all politicians are self serving. None can be believed. What Obama is trumpeting is globalizm and an eventual one world government.
While Al Gore travels the world speaking about global warming (lies) the real issue for the global elite is population, and how to reduce it by the billions. We hear day in and day out across the world how important "WE" are, how the "leaders" of the world will protect us from ourselves and then with a strait face they tell us it's a good thing to use farmland to "grow" fuel.
I like visiting this site once in awhile but it seems it does nothing but advance the agenda of self serving global elitists from the liberal side of the scale, while ignoring the fact that both ends are the same.

Black helicopter pilot to aisle 110.

That's right, don't examine the ideas or think about them at all, just ridicule them. Ridicule is the lowest form of debate, however, and the least productive.

A typical Obama Democrat supporter.

To examine an idea there actually has to be an idea. That post was devoid of anything worth examining.

right on! @ 100:

ramjet @ 27:

Mick @ 22:

ramjet @ 9:
Never forget that George W Bush was NEVER elected as POTUS. He was appointed by his Poppy's SCROTUM SCOTUS and FOXNoise and dirty tricks. Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Bush was re-elected in 2004.

Was he really? If I remember correctly there was alot of corruption with that election...

Yeah, only in our elections do you get to keep what you stole.

There was so much voter fraud in Florida, Ohio, and New Hampsire - to name just three states, that Republicans went to prison, convicted of voter fraud, and yet Bush still got to keep what was gained through that fraud.

Evidence tied both Ed Gillespie and Karl Rove in the White House to that voter fraud, but since the Bush Administration refused to comply with Congressionally mandated requests for information, both were allowed to break the law and overthrow a presidential election with impunity.

Was he sworn in? Yes, although - as should be expected of a thief - he has abrogated the laws and obligations he swore to uphold.

Was he elected? No more than I was.

Wow. That there article by Ross Douthat is some powerful wishful-thinking. Talk about partisan-pundit acrobatics. Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!

Karen @ 112:

dennis @ 101:

Karen @ 96:

Is it so hard to appreciate the notion that having an American president who enjoys respect and admiration abroad can help our standing in the world?

No. What's hard for Bushevics and conservatives to understand is that respect and admiration abroad and good standing in the word community is necessary. They think America is the biggest, baddest kid on the block, and don't need no stinkin' cooperation from the rest of them there foreigners. Chest thumping is enough to get most of them in line, and for those who ain't a-scared by that, we can just invade and kick their ass.

No, Karen, we just don't think what candidate Germans like better should influence our decision. Or at least it's not at the top of our priorities. If they were in love with McCain, somehow I don't suspect it would hold much sway on your vote either.

While I perhaps should have omitted "and conservatives" from my statement, and left it at "Bushevics," you're off the mark.

To note that Bushevics do not believe international good standing and cooperation are necessary for our security and well being is not to argue that what Germans think is the most important criterion for deciding for whom to vote. International good standing and cooperation is important, Bushevics deny it, and you know it -- no matter the relative weight one gives it when casting a vote.

I don't deny it's important, and that along with other strengths Obama possesses is one reason I don't lament his inevitable Presidency. But to say Busheviks and conservatives don't care about it, don't think it's important, deny it, as well as express it as if they were all straight out of a Steinbeck novel is on the whole off the mark, too.

Rusty Shackleford @ 119:

dennis @ 116:

...it wouldn't matter to you if it were McCain who was the one who was preferred by Germans, either. And you'd be right on that.

Mind-readin' again, lil' d? You should go on America's Got Talent. Piers would see through it, but I bet you could fool The Hoff.

Would you vote for McCain if 200,000 German socialists showed up to hear him speak, Big Russ? And he is well-liked and well-respected in Europe and around the world. I think they know a lot less about Obama right now than you think.

Germans love The Hoff, btw, since you mention him. That should tell you a little something right there.

dennis @ 126:

Rusty Shackleford @ 119:

dennis @ 116:

...it wouldn't matter to you if it were McCain who was the one who was preferred by Germans, either. And you'd be right on that.

Mind-readin' again, lil' d? You should go on America's Got Talent. Piers would see through it, but I bet you could fool The Hoff.

Would you vote for McCain if 200,000 German socialists showed up to hear him speak, Big Russ? And he is well-liked and well-respected in Europe and around the world. I think they know a lot less about Obama right now than you think.

Germans love The Hoff, btw, since you mention him. That should tell you a little something right there.

You conclude an argument with a line from Kevin Costner. That tells me all I need to know.

Brendan @ 108:

roooth @ 89:

Brendan @ 83:

Sam Spiro @ 79:

I think (speaking as a journalist) that Obama just gives you more to work with - whether you love him or hate him, there's just more content. Covering McCain amounts to 'McCain fucks up again...' It's the same old story. Obama offers more fodder - and then there is the added bonus that you can talk about how much you're talking about him, and whether or not it's a conspiracy.

Oh. please. McCain is running for PRESIDENT, and you're saying there is no story in the fact that NOBODY is coming out to see him?

Or no story in his apparent inability to know or remember essential facts about the job he wants?

No story in the criminal lobbyists he surrounds himself with?

Or the fact that his questionable military record is not being looked at because his military records, like Bush's, have suddenly disappeared?

You've pretty much summed up what's wrong with journalists: if it ain't right in front of your face on a teleprompter and if it can't be spit out in 2 second sound bites, it's not a story.

Yup, I'm a terrible person. I'm just like Hitler.

Of course those are important stories. The most important.

I was just making the observation that to most, everyday, common news consumers 'McCain is a menace and an asshole' now amounts to the same old story, regardless of what new reason you're covering it. It's becoming white noise to viewers and readers, left and right.

However, Obama gives you something new to talk about each time. (McCain is in the cheese aisle, Obama is in Berlin in front of 200,000... Who are you giving your very limited news space to: the pathetic shell of a candidate, or the New American Statesman?) Blame journalists. Blame American viewers and readers. Blame who you like.

As the aside of a somewhat trained observer: you're now seeing Obama's expectations problem - he has to be flawlessly presidential from here on in, while McCain just has to not choke on a pretzel before the election.

As a second aside: why has no one used the phrase: 'Once you go Barak, you don't go back'? Seriously...

Well, it is racist and sexist, so you'd think the GOP would love it, although the GOP men would probably break out into a cold sweat at the thought of their women-folk lusting after the field hands.

"Ich bin ein Beginner" actually has more bite, and it's surprisingly witty for the Rush Hannity crowd.

But if it's so easy for journalists to blow off McCain as a hackneyed has-been, why are they spending 24/7 crowing over his abyssmal poll numbers?

Yesterday had two election stories: 1) Will 200,000 people showing up for Obama destroy his candidacy? & 2) Is McCain going to win now that he isn't quite as far behind Obama as he was before in 4 key states?

They made it sound as if McCain was kicking Obama's ass when the reality is that he isn't quite as far behind him as he was before. Are you freaking kidding me? That's a bigger story than McCain's continued inability to pull any kind of comparable crowd to hear the old man yell at clouds?

How is this not the MSM trying to sway the numbers towards McCain?

Seriously? That's the best they can do?

Do the reversal litmus test: McCain goes to Berlin and 200,000 cheering people show up. Fox declares it the ruination of his campaign. Uh huh, sure.

Tell you what; start watching the coverage of McCain events and then get back to me on this. Pay attention to the (lack of) camera work and think about Obama events. At Obama events, the cameras pull back and show huge crowds. At McCain events, the camera rarely, if ever, pulls back or pans around. When they do give a glimpse, there are pathetically small gatherings, usually in small settings, mostly composed of old white people trying to stay awake. Look at the people they put on risers behind him when he talks - they look like staying awake is their biggest challenge.

I'd love to stick a mic in the face of one of those folks and ask them about what they just heard McCain say. How much you want to bet they wouldn't be able to regurgitate any of it back?

Anyone with campaign experience will tell you that the campaign's job is to get the size of space that a candidate can fill - not too big, not too small. You never want them in a huge empty space, and you don't want to have to turn away supporters because your space is too small.

For Pete's sake - look at McCain's appearances! Grocery store ailses. Cafes. Small meeting rooms. Employee lounges. His campaign has been doing a pre-emptive deflect by making it sound as if McCain is doing this on purpose to contrast with Obama's "rock star" appeal, even comparing Obama to teeny-bopper bands, and the media is playing right along with it. But when have you ever seen a presidential campaign where the candidate can't draw a crowd AT ALL? There is a story here. But since media complicity is once again part of the story, they sure as hell won't be talking about it.

And I didn't say you're a horrible person, I wouldn't know. I will say the vast majority of political journalists in this countr have been doing a piss poor job. Sorry, but there it is. And I wonder what the hell the media is thinking when the obvious is right in front of them all and they seem to be deliberately ignoring it.

dennis @ 126:

Would you vote for McCain if 200,000 German socialists showed up to hear him speak, Big Russ? And he is well-liked and well-respected in Europe and around the world. I think they know a lot less about Obama right now than you think.

Germans love The Hoff, btw, since you mention him. That should tell you a little something right there.

Is the "200,000 German socialists" just part of your hypothesis, or are you saying you know the political bent of each of the 200,000 Germans present at that Berlin speech?

Check out this hopeful Obama video from Maria Muldaur’s “Yes We Can!” Tons of friends, too, like Amma, Joan Baez, Jane Fonda, Holly Near, Phoebe Snow, Marianne Williamson, and more.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVXxGMG3Fw

http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/83672/

dennis @ 126:

Rusty Shackleford @ 119:

dennis @ 116:

...it wouldn't matter to you if it were McCain who was the one who was preferred by Germans, either. And you'd be right on that.

Mind-readin' again, lil' d? You should go on America's Got Talent. Piers would see through it, but I bet you could fool The Hoff.

Would you vote for McCain if 200,000 German socialists showed up to hear him speak, Big Russ? And he is well-liked and well-respected in Europe and around the world. I think they know a lot less about Obama right now than you think.

Germans love The Hoff, btw, since you mention him. That should tell you a little something right there.

Utterly irrelevant points, but truly fascinating reading. Really. And you even mixed in a little of your trademark mind-readin'. Is that really all you guys have anymore?

David @ 133:

Sue @ 123:

David @ 121:

Sue @ 118:

Right, if you don't agree with any of the ideas presented, then they just don't exist, is that it? Therefore, you don't need to rebut them because they aren't there in the first place. Brilliant.

I am sure that is a highly effective survival strategy that has served you well. I believe it is either called extreme arrogance, a recognition that you have nothing of substance to refute anything presented, or just plain denial.

Sad how totally dumbed down and intellectually lazy Americans have become.

One world governments? global warming is a lie? those aren't ideas, they're rants that have no basis in fact. It's you who has failed to provide any substance to support such imaginings.

See 111 and 114 for a little substance, although from my experince with you both submissions will appear as blank pages.

You are the one who is so entrenched in his comfort box that you refuse to examine or even see ideas you don't agree with. You only "debate" ideas that you have already considered true. Many Americans suffer from that tunnel vision affliction -- both Democrats and Republicans -- allowing the powers that be to divide, conquer and direct America wherevere they want it to go. Right now they are directing it toward bankruptsy, and Obama will be the salesperson who will sell you on the idea that the selloff of American assets to foreign globalist powers is in "America's best interests."

You are a sheep in wolves clothing, my friend, and probably one of the single best examples of what is wrong with the American electorate today: a blind arrogance and devotion to a party affiliation that trumps reality, common sense and the common interests of the average man in this country. By wanting so badly to be a winner, you plant the seeds of all our destruction.

Nice try, but posts 111 and 114 aren't full of substance so much as accusations. Maybe that passes for "debate" in your world, but you'll need facts, not bald faced assertions that do nothing to support your position. But, it seems to be a pattern of yours to just make ad hominem attacks that have no basis in fact and then whine that no one else is ready to agree with you.

For example, I'm not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate based on her or his positions, not party affiliation. I realize that contradicts your "blind devotion to party" theory, but there go the facts getting in the way.

David @ 111:

In their desire to feel like winners again, Democrat shills will go to no end to make sure their man gets into power. They never address the fundamental problems with the whole war party system that never changes no matter which pawn takes the White House. Dermocrat or Republican, it is all just Kabuki theatre designed to convince the sheeple they are free when they are not. The 2006 election should have woken people up to the depths of the corruption and willingness of the Democratic Party to betray its supporters again and again and again. How many times are you willing to let the Democratic party stab you in the back?

Obama is a sock puppet who works for Globalist interests. You could list all of his accomplishments on the back of a postage stamp. His voting for the FISA Act, which is both unconstitutional and illegal, should have disqualified him for office right there. The fact that first he said he would filibuster the legislation, then turns around and votes for it, should tell everyone what he will be like in office: more of the same, albiet in prettier packaging.

Do we really know this man? (Google Larry Sinclair for probably the biggest sleeper story of the campaign.) Or are we just so hopeful for someone to clean up this mess for us that we will glob onto the first pretty face who seems to say the right things?

Got news for you: we all, individually, have to clean up the mess this country is in, and it starts with scrutinizing candidates for political office much more closely, something the MSM is supposed to do but of course they are in on the scam as well so we have to do it ourselves and then share what we learn. No matter what or how many people get thier noses bent out of shape.

Obama is also now happy to increase troop numbers in Afghanistan, not above going into Pakistan to chase Bin Laden, may not pull as many troops out of Iraq as he initially said he would, and of course no options are of the table with regards to Iran. No options. None.

Funny, as he swings further and further to the center right, he is transforming the Democratic Party into the War Party of choice. Just as he is supposed to. The American people will be played once again.

Zbigniew Brzezinski will prove to be the REAL President should Obama win in November! This guy wants to take on the Russians and the Chinese ultimately and probably is more dangerous in the long run than Bush and Cheney ever were. He admits that they dealt with the Cambodian government that killed millions, was the creator of Al Queda and is a co-founder of the Trilateral Commission which is devoted to creating a super-national globalist government.

Here is a little quote from the soon to be new power behind the throne that you might find of interest.

"Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior ... accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth ... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brian performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period of time." (Zbigniew Brzezinski, "Between Two Ages: America's Role In The Technetronic Era", quoted by Dr. Begich, "HARRP: The Update" DVD) - Unbelievable Video Trailer - "Must See"

The Republicans are no better, they are simply a divide and conquer tool to keep everyone fighting with each other rather than looking at the truth about what is really going on. Until the American people really start to hold their elected officials accountable, start really examining who their leaders really are -- and who their backers are -- this country will not only not get out of the mess it is in, but will be dragged deeper and deeper into it.

Larry Sinclair!??!? Dude, do some fact-checking once in a while. I bet you also have the inside "sleeper" scoop that - everyone sit down for this - Obama is a muslim!

Sue @ 115:

Carey @ 110:

Obama, like all politicians are self serving. None can be believed. What Obama is trumpeting is globalizm and an eventual one world government.
While Al Gore travels the world speaking about global warming (lies) the real issue for the global elite is population, and how to reduce it by the billions. We hear day in and day out across the world how important "WE" are, how the "leaders" of the world will protect us from ourselves and then with a strait face they tell us it's a good thing to use farmland to "grow" fuel.
I like visiting this site once in awhile but it seems it does nothing but advance the agenda of self serving global elitists from the liberal side of the scale, while ignoring the fact that both ends are the same.

Black helicopter pilot to aisle 110.

Sue, that has to be one of the funniest comments I've ever seen on a blog.

Only in a backwards, fucked up place like America would it be considered negative for a presidential candidate to be warmly received by other countries.

Just when I think the US can't disappoint me any more, it does exactly that. At what point will America stop allowing itself to be controlled by the lowest common denominator? It's frightening to sit back and observe these morons in action.

You want to know why the US is in total free fall? Here's part of your answer.

Mick @ 137:

Gee, David; climate change is a fraud eh? That tells me all that I need to know. All of the petroleum corporation scientists agree with you. 'K...

Actually, big companies like BP and Exxon-Mobil love global warming, because it guts smaller producers with environmental protection costs while increasing the value of their end product.

Yes, Al Gore is full of shit -- don't see him curbing his energy use, but then again he is one of the special ones -- even the IPCC committee admits that over the last ten years global temperature has cooled by 0.6 degrees -- which is significant, and why the media calls it Climate Change now vs Global Warming -- and many scientists, including many who were initial participants in the IPCC process are saying the science is flawed and needs to be reexamined, carbon is not the big trigger it is being made out to be. At the very least, the idea that all "respectable" scientists agree that Global Warming is beyond debate is completely laughable.

And if you can communicate with me here, you have the tools to verify that for yourself. But of course you won't do that because it might challenge some of your cherished beliefs.

30 plus years ago it was Global Cooling that was going to kill us off because of man's industrial activities.

Think: "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" is big business, with big money behind it. Just like the "War on Terror", a great many people are making lots of money promoting this cause. And what a great way to put the brakes on a society by significantly taxing the energy people need to run that society. The average man becomes an enemy of the planet.

I am not saying the planet is clean or that the burning of fossil fuels doesn't have serious problems associated with it. Far from it. But the "solutions" to Global Warming is basically new taxes plus a carbon exchange system developed by ENRON that will do nothing to curb emissions but will do a great deal to transfer wealth from industrialized countries to 3rd world nations where there are no environmental standards at all.

Consider: if Americans met a Kyoto commitment, everyone would have the equivalent energy of their daily water heater output to go about thier daily lives. Think that might make life a little difficult?

I know it is pointless to debate you, again you offer nothing of substance and have obviously been very well programmed by your television. You are intellectually lazy, have little of substance to counter points presented and use knee-jerk responses to demonize conflicting opinions. You are a fawning, useful idiot that social engineers know how to manipulate. But in the end we will all pay for your, and your Democrat shill peers, lack of intellectual rigor.

David @ 146:

Mick @ 137:

Gee, David; climate change is a fraud eh? That tells me all that I need to know. All of the petroleum corporation scientists agree with you. 'K...

Actually, big companies like BP and Exxon-Mobil love global warming, because it guts smaller producers with environmental protection costs while increasing the value of their end
Yes, Al Gore is full of shit -- don't see him curbing his energy use, but then again he is one of the special ones -- even the IPCC committee admits that over the last ten years global temperature has cooled by 0.6 degrees -- which is significant, and why the media calls it Climate Change now vs Global Warming -- and many scientists, including many who were initial participants in the IPCC process are saying the science is flawed and needs to be reexamined, carbon is not the big trigger it is being made out to be. At the very least, the idea that all "respectable" scientists agree that Global Warming is beyond debate is completely laughable.

And if you can communicate with me here, you have the tools to verify that for yourself. But of course you won't do that because it might challenge some of your cherished beliefs.

30 plus years ago it was Global Cooling that was going to kill us off because of man's industrial activities.

Think: "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" is big business, with big money behind it. Just like the "War on Terror", a great many people are making lots of money promoting this cause. And what a great way to put the brakes on a society by significantly taxing the energy people need to run that society. The average man becomes an enemy of the planet.

I am not saying the planet is clean or that the burning of fossil fuels doesn't have serious problems associated with it. Far from it. But the "solutions" to Global Warming is basically new taxes plus a carbon exchange system developed by ENRON that will do nothing to curb emissions but will do a great deal to transfer wealth from industrialized countries to 3rd world nations where there are no environmental standards at all.

Consider: if Americans met a Kyoto commitment, everyone would have the equivalent energy of their daily water heater output to go about thier daily lives. Think that might make life a little difficult?

I know it is pointless to debate you, again you offer nothing of substance and have obviously been very well programmed by your television. You are intellectually lazy, have little of substance to counter points presented and use knee-jerk responses to demonize conflicting opinions. You are a fawning, useful idiot that social engineers know how to manipulate. But in the end we will all pay for your, and your Democrat shill peers, lack of intellectual rigor.

Hey! I've been promoted to eejit by a extremely intelligent person with all the answers! Huzzah, Mick!

Mick @ 148:

David @ 146:

Mick @ 137:

Gee, David; climate change is a fraud eh? That tells me all that I need to know. All of the petroleum corporation scientists agree with you. 'K...

Actually, big companies like BP and Exxon-Mobil love global warming, because it guts smaller producers with environmental protection costs while increasing the value of their end
Yes, Al Gore is full of shit -- don't see him curbing his energy use, but then again he is one of the special ones -- even the IPCC committee admits that over the last ten years global temperature has cooled by 0.6 degrees -- which is significant, and why the media calls it Climate Change now vs Global Warming -- and many scientists, including many who were initial participants in the IPCC process are saying the science is flawed and needs to be reexamined, carbon is not the big trigger it is being made out to be. At the very least, the idea that all "respectable" scientists agree that Global Warming is beyond debate is completely laughable.

And if you can communicate with me here, you have the tools to verify that for yourself. But of course you won't do that because it might challenge some of your cherished beliefs.

30 plus years ago it was Global Cooling that was going to kill us off because of man's industrial activities.

Think: "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" is big business, with big money behind it. Just like the "War on Terror", a great many people are making lots of money promoting this cause. And what a great way to put the brakes on a society by significantly taxing the energy people need to run that society. The average man becomes an enemy of the planet.

I am not saying the planet is clean or that the burning of fossil fuels doesn't have serious problems associated with it. Far from it. But the "solutions" to Global Warming is basically new taxes plus a carbon exchange system developed by ENRON that will do nothing to curb emissions but will do a great deal to transfer wealth from industrialized countries to 3rd world nations where there are no environmental standards at all.

Consider: if Americans met a Kyoto commitment, everyone would have the equivalent energy of their daily water heater output to go about thier daily lives. Think that might make life a little difficult?

I know it is pointless to debate you, again you offer nothing of substance and have obviously been very well programmed by your television. You are intellectually lazy, have little of substance to counter points presented and use knee-jerk responses to demonize conflicting opinions. You are a fawning, useful idiot that social engineers know how to manipulate. But in the end we will all pay for your, and your Democrat shill peers, lack of intellectual rigor.

Hey! I've been promoted to eejit by a extremely intelligent person with all the answers! Huzzah, Mick!

India challenges global warming fears

Engineering News
Friday, July 25, 2008

India has issued a report challenging global warming fears. This is dramatic. The Indian Prime Minister’s Council on Climate Change said that India would rather save its people from poverty than global warming, and would not cut growth in order to cut gases.

Referring to claimed changes in climate attributed to human activity, the report declares: “No firm link between the documented charges described below and warming due to an anthropogenic climate change has yet been established.”
The report goes on to state: “It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people . . . India is determined that its per capita greenhouse-gas emissions will at no point exceed those of developed countries.”

The Australian Herald noted that this declaration “means India won’t stop its per capita emissions (now at 1,02 t) from growing until they match those of countries such as the US (now at 20 t).”

This Indian report was music to my ears. I have constantly said that developing countries cannot afford to let their school children do homework at night by candle light rather than by electric light, in an effort to save on electricity production, on the basis of the flimsy evidence presented in favour of man-induced climate change.

So we must ask ourselves: what is the main source of these claims that the Indian report referred to? The answer is that the claims mainly originate from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, commonly referred to as the IPCC.

Mick, if the shoe fits ...