I get it, the pre-surge, surge, counterinsurgency, surging, surge that preceded the surge that surged prior to the flowing surge that now surged ahead of the pre-surge, surge, counterinsurgency is the one that did the trick.

Anything and everything that has "succeeded" in Iraq was and is a "surge".

Is he trying to say "surge" is short for counterinsurgency? cause I don't think that's correct.

The problem is, I have my doubts as to whether the average American has the critical thinking ability to note and appreciate the distinction that make this gaffe truly remarkable. Hilzoy's argument looks too much like a simple algebra problem to catch the attention of most people. But perhaps I am simply being pessimistic.

I love the post/article. Very accurate. Give him a break he is slipping a little in his old age. If you were his age you might get confused on little details. To add to his campaign woes is his lack of energy weekends off and then there was this incident on Conan Obrien, did anyone else see this video of McCain falling asleep on the Conan Obrien show. Its really funny., but makes me wonder if he is up to running for president. http://www.McCains.com

Its been a long time coming Kerry Picked Edwards on July 6. Im ready to get behind a cadidate it would be nice to know who their voice of reason is going to be. Hopefully McCain wont pick Romney, Ive seen the videos of all of Romney attack ads. I think someone posted the link here yesterday to a site that has them all. Ill repost incase no one seen the attack videos http://www.hotpres.com I was really partial to Clark for Obama, doesnt look like thats going to happen now though, I dont know why? Clark was dead on with his statements. They got twisted up. Here is a site you can find bio info on all the veep candidates including old pictures of them. http://www.theveep.com

OK grandpa, its your story so tell it any way you want. This old dope will be worst than Dubya.

what people don't understand is that a statement that puts out wrong information can really only happen if right information is first put out and then and only then can a chance present itself to go in there and provide an opportunity for someone to dive in, take that truthful information and get it wrong. so, really, what people don't understand is that the bad information is really dependent on first having reliable facts, so its all one in the same.

:)

So we had surge one and surge two. Surge one was just a little one so it didn't get much attention. Then along comes surge two. Surge two was a real big burly one so it got lots of attention and air time. Surge two was so big it ate up surge one. So now we have only surge two but inside it is surge one, so they are the same surge now.

Seriously, I think the growth spurt in my magnolia tree is a direct result of the surge. Of course that growth spurt happened two years ago, but that was the first time we had seen that much growth.

The McCain campaign=a noun a verb and "The Surge". That's why Rudy Giuliani would make the ideal running mate for him (wig, make up, dress, pumps and all).

Still best equation...

Terror Attack + Election = Republican Victory

Conyers Judiciary Committee hearings on impeachment starting now on CSPAN. Kucinich to speak first.

There's a rowdy bunch inside and outside.

Might get interesting.

I thought a Surge was what you do whilst upon the crappier after dining at taco bell.

Abbybwood @ 21:

Conyers Judiciary Committee hearings on impeachment starting now on CSPAN. Kucinich to speak first.

There's a rowdy bunch inside and outside.

Might get interesting.

Let's hope for a surge on the administration.

Here's something I didn't know...

When they use the term "surge", they don't mean it in the sense of the english word "surge", indicating a billowing increase. Rather 'surge is a military slang abbreviation of "counterinsurgency". So when we talk about the "surge" we are not referring to the escalation of troops in 2007, but we're talking about the general strategy of dealing with insurgents in Iraq.

That was never made clear before. Probably because it's made up.

Wake up America! After 8 years of having a complete moron running the Exec. office, we now have an older version that is challenging Bush for his title of dumbest politician ever. Yet many bitter older whites in PA,MI,OH,IN,MN are still behind this idiot. Please look beyond your bigotry and stupidity. While the MSM is afraid to raise the ugly racism that is making up a lot of this fear by older whites, it is so obvious. We expect this from voters in Alabama, Mississippi and Wyoming etc. but for crying out loud, Minn. and PA should be a little more open minded.

by this reasoning, the "surge" that destroyed New Orleans what the wave of people leaving, and not the storm-driven one that put the place under water.

Hey McRetard - the "surge" that has spent about a year in the news refers to "a sudden increase in military activity". It is [b]NOT[/b] short for "counterin[b]surge[/b]ncy".

The surge killed Nazi Germany, stopped the Holocaust, and won WWII. There is nothing the surge can't do... because the surge is the pre-surge, which is the counterinsurgency, which is everything at once, at all times... that is the actual definition of the surge unbeknownced to you.

Just like yesterday's "gaffe of the day" by the Master McGaffer - stating that the first conflict was with Iraq - wrongo! But thanks for playing and showing your stupidity - I guess we didn't invade Afghanistan in 2001 then?????

I think you are giving McCain voters a little too much credit. They don't care about the surge, insurgency, counterinsurgency, or any other urgency. They care about taking your right of choice away, about a marriage amendment to the Constitution, and "intelligent design." McCain can sway, stumble, or fall flat on his face (which he's done quite a lot of lately) ... It just doesn't matter.

George: "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."

A Child's Story

Many of you may relate to a story you once had to crate in a hurry because you had a parent about to discipline you for something. I do recall such a moment for eating too many cookies before my dinner. I went on to tell my mom a made up, on the spot, story of how cookies make everybody want to eat them, so it really was my sister's fault for putting the bag of cookies in plane sight. Yes, she should of known better, and I said it as if everybody would agree. It did work nor did John McCain's lie about what a Surge is and when it actually took place.

The story line noted above is similar to hearing McCain ravel on and on about the definitions of a Surge. This was very funny, and it sounded like a true child's story. You go McCain.

Joseph

McGaffer is so caught up in his own bull$hit these days that he can't remember what he said 5 minutes ago. This is becoming very sad to witness. Clearly, being 72 years old is unacceptable to assume such a critical role in these challenging times (the Depends alone will cost the taxpayers zillions!!) - but when you couple that with his overall abysmal comprehension of the war, the geography of the war, economics and just about every other critical issue facing this democracy, he has no more business running for this job than the man in the moon.

While Obama was greeted by no less than 200,000 cheering supporters in Berlin, where was McGaffer? He was in a local supermarket squeezing the Charmin and loading up on more Depends and Panty Liners for hemmorhoids.

displeased @ 38:

What does it matter? Whether it's Obama or McCain in the white house, we're equally screwed. I'm moving to Canada.

Good idea.

The Surge solved America's dependence on foreign oil by drilling in Anwar.

liberalNmoderation @ 12:

zencomix @ 4:

The Surge tore down The Berlin Wall

the Surge built my hotrod!

The Surge trimmed my jacket. No wait, that was The Serger.

I didn't pay much attention till now but it seems the surge was a desperate attempt by Bush/McCain to make the American public think that our troops were still needed there. If the awakening on it's own was allowed to rid Iraq of any Al Qaeda that would truly make the occupation look bogus.

It's appropriate that McCain is standing in front of the cheese section.

It's just Calvin Ball with bombs and bullets.

osiris @ 52:

osiris @ 45:

displeased @ 38:

What does it matter? Whether it's Obama or McCain in the white house, we're equally screwed. I'm moving to Canada.

Good idea.

I recognize that some supporters are disillusioned by Obama's FISA shift. Did it ever occur to anyone that provision of "immunity" will simply open the floodgates for whistleblowers to now come forth with full details of what Bush ordered and when? It usually is the key to obtaining details, etc. I think Obama and the Dems used this as their rationale. Immunity = Information - and it's coming. A torrent of detailed information about when Bush initiated his illegal spy program and who was spied upon. I'm sure there are legal loopholes once this information is garnered to go after the administration, despite the telecoms having immunity. I think it provides a very fertile ground for lawsuits against the government - and Bush & Cheney personally now.

Good point. If we gave bank robbers immunity, they'd be more likely to brag about their exploits and we'd know who they were, so we could watch them rob banks.

Weaseldog @ 55:

It's just Calvin Ball with bombs and bullets.

I LOVE that game!

I keep hearing that an attack would help towards a rep. victory.

Can someone please explain how?!?

Surely an attack will mean that the last 7 years of republican oppression has done nothing to secure the US against attacks, and so hand the Dems an even wider margin of victory?

Or is that too much joined-up thinking?

osiris @ 32:

Bush + McBush = Dumb and Dumber (what do you call an old geyser who's dumb as dirt?)

Or Tweedledumb and Tweedledense.

dennis @ 44:

Dr Acula @ 24:

Dennis, I think that's the first post of yours with which I completely agree!

No, wasn't me, Doc. I'm not a big fan of McCain's but I'd never pretend to be knowledgeable about body language like Big D Dennis does. Obama denies the truth on a lot of what he's said about the surge as well; that never gets discussed here or by Bath Tub Boy either.

Goddamn you're just a hateful SOB ain't ya? Someone compliments ya (even though it wasn't REALLY you) and start right in with insults. Classy.

zencomix @ 60:

The Surge parted the Red Sea.

The Surge killed the dinosaurs.

The Surge eliminated mold and formaldehyde from FEMA trailers in 2005.

McCain was likely in the dairy section so he could score an easy point by citing the price of milk.

I'm amazed that the media has been so gulled and bullied by the 'mainstream media' lie that they don't report on the moving goalposts, only the fact that we're about to cross the goal line.

But here to tell us What It All Means are a parade of 'experts,' instead of reporters being able to recall and accurately deliver basic facts.

The surge cured my athlete's foot.

Weaseldog @ 66:

osiris @ 62:

Weaseldog @ 57:

osiris @ 52:

Good point. If we gave bank robbers immunity, they'd be more likely to brag about their exploits and we'd know who they were, so we could watch them rob banks.

At least we would know the details (who they are and what they have done) - which will be critical in the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for illegally spying on american citizens.

They'll never be prosecuted.

The FISA bill just legitimizes corporate and governmental spying.

Yes, the Freddie/Fannie bailout is something like this:

Your kid comes home and tells you he made a "mistake" and borrowed 20 grand from the mob. Now he needs his parents (us) tol give him the money, otherwise the mob will hurt him and the family.
The Family gives him the money with the caveat "We'll talk about this later young man" Question is, will that final coversation take place?

Weaseldog @ 70:

Weaseldog @ 66:

osiris @ 62:

Weaseldog @ 57:

At least we would know the details (who they are and what they have done) - which will be critical in the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for illegally spying on american citizens.

They'll never be prosecuted.

The FISA bill just legitimizes corporate and governmental spying.

Don't forget, they are spying on businesses too. The NSA is contracting corporations to spy on other corporations.

I guess corporate espionage is part of the new free market paradigm where some corporations can legally spy on others, but not vice versa.

Once we embraced the "fascist meme", all morals and ethics went down the toilet. There is nothing sacred in corporate america any longer. We've lost our moral ground and ethical reputation, thanks to Bush and his advancement of Fascism.

i thought i caught a whiff of the bull shit express passing through my state.
so much for "straight talk".

Darth Hater @ 78:

It was the Surge that called his wife a C*#T....not McC#*T himself. Oohhh, that Surge is such a cad.....

It was the surge that flew all around the country with Miss Vicky Iseman, too.

loudspeaker comes on
"Cleanup in the Cheese Isle"

osiris @ 62:

Weaseldog @ 57:

osiris @ 52:

osiris @ 45:

I recognize that some supporters are disillusioned by Obama's FISA shift. Did it ever occur to anyone that provision of "immunity" will simply open the floodgates for whistleblowers to now come forth with full details of what Bush ordered and when? It usually is the key to obtaining details, etc. I think Obama and the Dems used this as their rationale. Immunity = Information - and it's coming. A torrent of detailed information about when Bush initiated his illegal spy program and who was spied upon. I'm sure there are legal loopholes once this information is garnered to go after the administration, despite the telecoms having immunity. I think it provides a very fertile ground for lawsuits against the government - and Bush & Cheney personally now.

Good point. If we gave bank robbers immunity, they'd be more likely to brag about their exploits and we'd know who they were, so we could watch them rob banks.

At least we would know the details (who they are and what they have done) - which will be critical in the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for illegally spying on american citizens.

What does any of this have to do with the "surge"?

♫..Bangkok Bob..♫ @ 83:

loudspeaker comes on
"Cleanup in the Cheese Isle"

You got it, BB! Good one!! Can you just imagine the stench?

The surge lost us any gains that had been made in Afghanistan . We are now losing two wars instead of just one the surge sucks and so does anybody who thinks it was a success.

Where have all the flowers gone, long time surgin'
....

osiris @ 90:

rain @ 85:

osiris @ 62:

Weaseldog @ 57:

At least we would know the details (who they are and what they have done) - which will be critical in the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for illegally spying on american citizens.

If you read the posts, you will see that this was in response to the poster's obvious lack of respect for both candidates.......reading posts does help on these threads.
What does any of this have to do with the "surge"?

Sure, getting back to McCrazy's SURGE is a much more savory way to spend one's time. Let's see - what does one do who can no longer control his bowels? How's that?

McGaffer is hoping for a personal "surge" - surge of synaptic activity for his addled brain. The young people are totally disgusted by this old grandpappy whose dementia floors them.

♫..Bangkok Bob..♫ @ 94:

osiris @ 93:

osiris @ 90:

rain @ 85:

Sure, getting back to McCrazy's SURGE is a much more savory way to spend one's time. Let's see - what does one do who can no longer control his bowels? How's that?

Eewwwww ... now that is a Surge I dont want to have a mental picture of. ..yuck

At his age and following chemotherapy, it's probably more true than not. You don't want to be near him when he coughs or sneezes either.

zencomix @ 72:

liberalNmoderation @ 67:

zencomix @ 60:

The Surge parted the Red Sea.

The Surge killed the dinosaurs.

So, The Surge created the oil!

Nope..The Surge just kilt 'em deader'n Hell...Jebus created the oil.

Lets face it, old people getting confused is kind of comical for most observers, but I'm sure they wouldn't give him a bomb to carry around.

would they?

oh yeah, the Moron Factor.

That ranks very high on "the outrageous, long-stream bullshit" all time list. I have to think he is vying for the insanely stupid crown. Just when we were sure this administration had locked it for life.

willie @ 100:

now that i think about this, isn't it amazing that the old man could even get through his own twisted logic without messing it up. i mean that was one contorted, and rehearsed, bit of twisting we just witnessed.

one more sick thought, was this an unscheduled stop to a grocery store? if so, was anyone else watching McSurge's staff while her held court in the dairy section. could this have been an emergency stop for replenishment of the depends supply?

I was wondering, if this is the same store where all those jars of applesauce fell as MCSurge was talkin to some lady...that was funny funny shit!

Watch CSPAN Right now. Kucinich's Hearings are ON. Peace :)

osiris @ 98:

osiris @ 97:

♫..Bangkok Bob..♫ @ 94:

osiris @ 93:
Eewwwww ... now that is a Surge I dont want to have a mental picture of. ..yuck

At his age and following chemotherapy, it's probably more true than not. You don't want to be near him when he coughs or sneezes either.

See ya later, BB. Good to see you here this morning!

ciao bello.

What I like is that he's in the cheese aisle of a supermarket.

It's a delightful little piece of Republican Potempkinery meant to make it look like McCain lives in the world the rest of us inhabit. It would make more sense to talk about foreign policy in a setting like . . . overseas! But then that would be uppity. Until McCain did it. Actually, after, and then before he does it it's uppity. I meant arrogant and presumptuous, of course. I would never want to imply that McCain or his campaign surrogates would use racially charged imagery. Twenty times a day seven days a week.

McCain shopping for his own food is absolutely ludicrous, however. I'm sure he's got no idea how to take $20 and come up with a meal for four people based only on what he can find in a supermarket. It's unlikely he could get to the checkout counter without slipping and breaking his hip at this point.

The depths of depravity of the republiscum speaking at today's hearing is incredible!

Wow! I've just had an epiphany!! After hearing Senator McCain's explaination of the surge, this totally makes sense to me now.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

McSame either a really big liar or he's too old in the brain (I know other 72 yr olds that would walk circles around McSame) to remember anything.

prvfo @ 114:

liberalNmoderation @ 12:

zencomix @ 4:

The Surge tore down The Berlin Wall

the Surge built my hotrod!

Jesus built my car. It's a love affair. Mainly Jesus, and my hotrod...yeah fuck it.

Maybe, but The Surge build the manger Jesus was born in, so really, you have The Surge to thank for your car (and for Jesus).

Sue @ 119:

prvfo @ 114:

liberalNmoderation @ 12:

zencomix @ 4:

the Surge built my hotrod!

Jesus built my car. It's a love affair. Mainly Jesus, and my hotrod...yeah fuck it.

Maybe, but The Surge build the manger Jesus was born in, so really, you have The Surge to thank for your car (and for Jesus).

But we're forgetting...Elvis created both the Surge, AND the Jebus!

I recognize that some supporters are disillusioned by Obama’s FISA shift. Did it ever occur to anyone that provision of “immunity” will simply open the floodgates for whistleblowers to now come forth with full details of what Bush ordered and when? It usually is the key to obtaining details, etc. I think Obama and the Dems used this as their rationale. Immunity = Information - and it’s coming. A torrent of detailed information about when Bush initiated his illegal spy program and who was spied upon. I’m sure there are legal loopholes once this information is garnered to go after the administration, despite the telecoms having immunity. I think it provides a very fertile ground for lawsuits against the government - and Bush & Cheney personally now.

No, it never occurred to me, because protecting AT&T, et al. is not the same as protecting whistleblowers. Even Bush described it as protecting AT&T as a corporation against prosecution for its 'alleged activities'. Whistleblowing protection already exists under a separate law.

Furthermore, the Constitution includes protection against self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment.

Legal loopholes that will enable us to go after the Bush Administration? Laughable. We're not going to beat these criminals by playing fast and loose with the law, not to mention the compromise was written by a pack of Republicans.

Accountability? It's called impeachment.

Deluding yourself that we'll fix it all after the crooks leave the scene of the crime won't change the fact that the vault has been broken open and emptied, the place has been vandalized, and there's dead bodies all over the front steps. You really think we'll hear a different song from Pelosi? There will ALWAYS be 'more important things' to attend to. It's like the old Harry Chapin song, 'Cat's Cradle,' where a man never has time for his son ... and suddenly, when he's retired and ready to spend time with the boy, junior is all grown up and has no time for his old man.

Without impeachment, without prosecution for war crimes, the Constitution really does become nothing more than a goddamned piece of paper.

Dr. Hussein Matt @ 1:

I get it, the pre-surge, surge, counterinsurgency, surging, surge that preceded the surge that surged prior to the flowing surge that now surged ahead of the pre-surge, surge, counterinsurgency is the one that did the trick.

What was so hard about that for you libruls' to understand? Geeeeeesh!

devildog21 @ 115:

Wow! I've just had an epiphany!! After hearing Senator McCain's explaination of the surge, this totally makes sense to me now.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Aaaack! That made my brain hurt!

Shadowgm Hussein @ 124:

slippy hussein toad @ 111:

McCain shopping for his own food is absolutely ludicrous, however. I'm sure he's got no idea how to take $20 and come up with a meal for four people based only on what he can find in a supermarket. It's unlikely he could get to the checkout counter without slipping and breaking his hip at this point.

I don't think Cindy could, either..

Well, as long as someone on the Food Network printed the recipe first she could . . .

In retrospect, the surge has worked so well that we should be using it stateside. How quickly can we get some of those brigades over here?!?

McCain sort of reminds me when I bought a VCR and a universal remote for my grandparents - they just didn't quite get it. At least them not understanding how to consistently tape "Matlock" and "Golden Girls" didn't get anyone killed.

And for those keeping score....

Speech in Berlin > Speech in Sausage shop >> Press conference in cheese aisle.

Extra credit - Of the two candidates, who is acutally acting presidential?

Dennis @ 18:

McCain denies the truth...like any good Republican.

Look at McCain's body language as he gives his exhausting answer. While he is speaking to the right, he periodically looks to his left without turning his body in a shifty manner. That indicates he is not being truthful. As if one couldn't already discern that from the content of his answer.

And his blink rate is off the charts. It's a big give away with him.

Surge, smurge...when in hell are we gonna call these guys on this mess? Some thoughts about things that have been said...The 'surge' is like the Washington Redskins being given credit for a late game, 90-yard touchdown drive, which made the final score a 52-7 loss...The 'surge' has 'won' the war? This war was, in effect, lost the moment we invaded Iraq. It never should have been and no amount of 'late-game' effort will change that...The Surge has brought down the violence? What about the fact that with upwards to 1 million Iraqis are dead, 4 million have been displaced, entire cities and virtually every community has been ethnically cleansed leaving nobody to do violence on, with 100,000 Sunnis having been bribed with the 'Awakening' money to stop shooting at our guys and start shooting at al-Queda, and the fact that 15 or 20 thousand more troops have been available to patrol the 'walled-in' neighborhoods that keep the inhabitants from venturing into areas where they would likely get shot at? What about all that as an explanation for why violence has been down, eh?

Fool On The Hill by Surge-io Mendes

Is anyone bringing up McCain's gaffe where he said, "Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others," when the founder of the Anbar Awakening, Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Risha, was assassinated by a car bomb?

All bullshit... because all the U.S. did was arm the Sunnis... ie. armed the minority... just sets them up nicely to respond with violence if they do not like the way the country is evolving... also consolidates the control of a bunch of Sheiks..... this does not really push democracy... "the awakening" in the long term may be counter productive to Iraqi democratic efforts..

McCain is just grasping at straws.... is seems he supported this "awakening", or says he does now, which really has nothing to do with surging troops into Baghdad, without even knowing what it would do...

this guy has the worst foreign policy experience and judgement.... it would be like handing over the keys to an idiot...

there is nothing in his background that points to any significant foreign policy achievements for McCain... has he single handedly negotiated an agreement anywhere on the planet, has he made the best judgements on the use of U.S. military power, has he been a good diplomat and gone around the world and done very positive things you can point to... has he stopped Darfur, Rwanda, Kosovo, etc... has he personally strengthened U.S. relationships either militarily or economically with some concrete achievements... what are the exact achievements you can point to....?????

nycbassist @ 8:

Colonel McFarland started surging "pretty much on his own" in August of 2006? How does one surge on his own? What does that even look like?

"Don't bother me now! Can't you see I'm surging?"

Oh course, McCain wants to take credit for that too.

SteamRanger @ 146:

Just listening to McCain ramble scrambles my brains, just like listening to Bush does. I can't fathom how anyone could make sense out of what he says.

That is the point. If he convolutes it enough. No one will care.