We're 'fellow citizens of the world'

In Obama's speech in Berlin yesterday, the presumptive Democratic nominee explained early on, "I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world."

The last four words seem to have caused a stir at McCain HQ and in far-right circles. Apparently, "citizen of the world" sounds like one-world government or something.

But before conservatives get too excited about this, they may want to remember that Obama's not the first American to use the phrase. An Andrew Sullivan reader noted:

I’ve noticed that McCain, and the right in general, are latching on to Obama’s statement that he was speaking as a “proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world.”  I see an attempt at cultural warfare in the making, and it should be squelched fast. The argument from the right appears to be that only some squishy leftist would call himself a “citizen of the world,” or that using the term suggests less than a full attachment to one’s own country (even if accompanied by a statement like Obama’s that he’s a “proud citizen of the United States”). A reader over at Politico has already noted that John F. Kennedy used the same phrase in his famous inaugural address in referring to his global audience.

I also did a one minute Google search – and I’m sure I could find more if I did a 15-minute Google search – and discovered that President George H.W. Bush used the exact phrase “citizen of the world” in presenting the national medal of the arts to Vladimir Horowitz, the legendary Russian-born pianist who became a US citizen in 1940.  Was he insulting Horowitz as a lefty? I don’t think so. Also, Ronald Reagan introduced himself in a speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations as “both a citizen of the United States and of the world.” Do McCain and the right really want to start this meme?

When McCain & Co. bash Reagan and Bush for using the same phrase, I'll respect their intellectual consistency. But I have a hunch that's not going to happen.


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yes and as such we can kill anyone we want to!

GOP...

I've even run out of words say

intellectual consistency?
intellectual consistency?

You ask too much.

Especially in the intellectual and in the consistency departments...way too much.

intellectual consistency?
intellectual consistency?

You ask too much.

Oh, I repeat myself. I repeat myself.

I thought the first one went *poof*

Oh good! Now Bush can spy on him, since he's a potential turrrrist (being a citizen of the world.)

Oh forget it, he's too busy spying on Americans in their own homes..........

"Citizens of the World"

read............GLOBALIZATION

Watch this vid and get pumped
Obama - Funk Soul Brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGeVtzqFlUY

dosido @ 3:

intellectual consistency?
intellectual consistency?

You ask too much.

Especially in the intellectual and in the consistency departments...way too much.

GOP Rule One....wait for it...waaaait for it.

NEVER let the facts get in the way.

you know your country's in the shitter when "fellow citizen of the world" is viewed as a bad thing.

seriously, the only solution to neoconservatives is expulsion from the political process or extinction. these people are simply desperate for war and confrontation.

a fat batch of fucking losers, brought to prominence by the moron-in-chief and his Dickhead sidekick.

fuck you all, you pieces of shit. Fuck you, George Bush and your entire fucked up cabal.

"NEVER AGAIN" is the new American promise. NEVER AGAIN will we allow war mongering psychopaths to run our country. NEVER AGAIN will we allow Republicans to be in control.

NEVER AGAIN.

The desperation of McGrampa grows by the day. Have they started criticizing his tie color yet?

lucid fiction @ 7:

"Citizens of the World"

read............GLOBALIZATION

read.........PARANOID

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Well as a leftist and having lived in 4 different countries so far, I would have to say that yes, having an attachment to any one country is stupid. It's not as if we had a choice on what piece of dirt we were going to be born in.

Obama gave a similar speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 when he referred to the United States as not red nor blue. He is, and has been consistently been an INCLUSIVE candidate. THE GOP HAS GOT NOTHING!

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

And C&L already stated that, on July 25th, 2008.

d'oh.

But, it also seems to me that this is what you say when you campaign abroad, it's all standard. The GOP doesn't know it because they don't give a shit about this "diplomatic behavior" nonsense. They'd rather give awkward backrubs, hold hands and joke about how much we've fucked up the planet.

all hail the hypno toad @ 14:

Well as a leftist and having lived in 4 different countries so far, I would have to say that yes, having an attachment to any one country is stupid. It's not as if we had a choice on what piece of dirt we were going to be born in.

You are clearly dangerous and subversive and we are now watching and listening.

Nice wording, Senator.

Just how many midwestern small-town, gun-rights anti-immigration bitter voters do you suppose were in the crowd there at the Siegessäule?

Hint: It wasn't this Berlin...or this "New" one.

Jeez.

I haven't read all the coverage yet, but I did watch the full C-Span of the Berlin Speech (foggy picture, but some of us really don't have tv). What I'm wondering is why there is no mention of the fact that a speech can be delivered in English to a 200,000 strong crowd of other-language-speakers. Was it translated onto screens for them or something, or do they just have the audacity to be bilingual (or tri, or whatever) over there in europa? After all the criticism Barack got for his modest suggestion that speaking more than one language is kindalike a good idea, this apparent omission on the part of the MSM strikes me as curious.

Please advise, signed guilty French and Italian speaker who still struggles with Spanish

Just more of that "the-US-is-#1-and-everyone-else-can-fuck-off" nonsense.

I know Americans are stupid, but at what point does it sink in that the US is no longer the only game in town? The US is a rapidly declining power that should be thankful foreign governments haven't asked for their money yet.

Get over yourself, America. You're now the world's joke.

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

all hail the hypno toad @ 14:

Well as a leftist and having lived in 4 different countries so far, I would have to say that yes, having an attachment to any one country is stupid. It's not as if we had a choice on what piece of dirt we were going to be born in.

Pfftt, try telling that to chimpanzees. They'll either rip your balls off or if you're from the wrong community, do much worse.

Dang; Obama may have just lost the anti-one-world-government-conspiracy-nut vote!

Fanon @ 17:

all hail the hypno toad @ 14:

Well as a leftist and having lived in 4 different countries so far, I would have to say that yes, having an attachment to any one country is stupid. It's not as if we had a choice on what piece of dirt we were going to be born in.

You are clearly dangerous and subversive and we are now watching and listening.

Too late, the f'ers at paypal already caused some problems for me, they locked out my account and called me a terrst. F'ers, and f the bushenney's as well with that crap.

McCain needs to be placed in an assisted living facility, and then be swiftly forgotten about.

all hail the hypno toad @ 24:

Fanon @ 17:

all hail the hypno toad @ 14:

Well as a leftist and having lived in 4 different countries so far, I would have to say that yes, having an attachment to any one country is stupid. It's not as if we had a choice on what piece of dirt we were going to be born in.

You are clearly dangerous and subversive and we are now watching and listening.

Too late, the f'ers at paypal already caused some problems for me, they locked out my account and called me a terrst. F'ers, and f the bushenney's as well with that crap.

Really? Sorry about that, I was just kidding.

Why is it so hard to understand that the overpaid corporate lintballs are hyperventilating over Obama's steamroller? These looter class turds are finally going to have to pay real taxes like the rest of us if he is elected.

Intellectual consistency in this case is a glorious oxymoron. There is no intellect and the faux intellect drivel is wildly inconsistent.

Boundaries are quaint and worthless concepts in a shrinking planet where all depend on each other. My American Indian Movement friends loved to preface all descriptions of place with "in what is now called....", (Free Leonard Peltier). The EU has largely shitcanned 'boundaries' as a hazard and are better for it. South America has a comparable equivalent to the EU called "Mercorsur" (sic), a common cause alliance or economic bloc.

I never declare myself an "American' even though I've lived my entire 52 years here and have never even stepped into another jurisdictional abstraction such as 'Canada' (although I did toss a rock there at West Quoddy Head in Lubec, Maine).Yes I am a citizen of a Planet and damned proud of it. 'America' can shit in it's grotesque vicious ugly hog hat and wear it.

Rah rah rah Nationalism is soo 1990s. The game changed while the buffoons were distracted. Thank you Mr. Obama for your recognition of this aspect.

Yeah, when he said 'citizen of the world' it reminded me of when that wet spot suddenly appeared on George Bush's pants when Kerry used the phrase "pass the global test" during the 2004 debates. It's just one of those phrases that causes the wingnut base to break out in spontaneous orgasms.

VM @ 23:

Dang; Obama may have just lost the anti-one-world-government-conspiracy-nut vote!

Ahhh, but as a (not so closeted) free trader he has retained the "too-bad-if-you-lost-your-high-paying-manufacturing-job-overseas-cuz-of-NAFTA-or-CAFTA...it just good business so f*ck off"-vote!

I guess it all evens out.

Just like yesterday the trolls will come here in droves to try to purposely misinterpret what Obama meant as if they can read his mind. Hey trollers, instead of coming here wasting time lying on Obama with non-factual bullshit, try giving us reasons to think about Grandpa....that's OK, common sense isn't common with you bitter, angry people.

My, my, my... McCain is getting more and more frazzled everyday! His speech to the veterans today was pathetic. Disparaging Obama at every turn. No applause from the crowd, nothing. I think many are having second thoughts about supporting McSame. We can't have another Bush in the White House, and many know it.

This is simple.

When some wingnut goes off about Obama's "Citizen of the World" comment, just ask them, 'So you aren't a citizen of this world? Of what world are you a citizen?'

Now now, let's not suggest that McCain should bash Reagan and Aitch-Dubya for suggesting they're also citizens of the world. Let's not get caught up in "intellectual consistency" - and let's instead point out that it's a douchey argument, period.

CafeenMan @ 32:

This is simple.

When some wingnut goes off about Obama's "Citizen of the World" comment, just ask them, 'So you aren't a citizen of this world? Of what world are you a citizen?'

I always suspected Rush Limbaugh was from Planet Weebo.

'The lost four words seem to have caused a stir at McCain HQ'

Typo or am I missing some sort of meaning?

P.D. @ 31:

My, my, my... McCain is getting more and more frazzled everyday! His speech to the veterans today was pathetic. Disparaging Obama at every turn. No applause from the crowd, nothing. I think many are having second thoughts about supporting McSame. We can't have another Bush in the White House, and many know it.

Even mainstream conservatives...you know REGULAR people...are tired of the demogoguery, the patriotism baiting. It doesn't work anymore.

The country is tired of being divided. Regular people have TOO many problems...real life problems...having enough money to feed their family, gas for the car, necessities.

The GOP is going down in flames...and they know it.

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Is this a new rule that you just invented Johnny? After all your hero McShit in pants asked Obama to travel abroad. You are one desperate fuck.

Left&Left @ 30:

Just like yesterday the trolls will come here in droves to try to purposely misinterpret what Obama meant as if they can read his mind. Hey trollers, instead of coming here wasting time lying on Obama with non-factual bullshit, try giving us reasons to think about Grandpa....that's OK, common sense isn't common with you bitter, angry people.

Nice ageist rhetoric. Adds so much to the debate. Like there's not enough real issues to get McCain on. It ain't that hard.

If someone came on here to bang Obama's skin color, you'd go ape-shit.

Amazing hypocrisy.

I like the phrase! We are all in this together and we all share one earth, so WTF? We are responsible for our earth and for one another. If we all focused on what we have in common rather than our differences, this just might be a better world for all our fellow citizens of the world.

Left&Left @ 37:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Is this a new rule that you just invented Johnny? After all your hero McShit in pants asked Obama to travel abroad. You are one desperate fuck.

tsk tsk

Fanon @ 26:

all hail the hypno toad @ 24:

Fanon @ 17:

all hail the hypno toad @ 14:

You are clearly dangerous and subversive and we are now watching and listening.

Too late, the f'ers at paypal already caused some problems for me, they locked out my account and called me a terrst. F'ers, and f the bushenney's as well with that crap.

Really? Sorry about that, I was just kidding.

Yep, a Brit friend wanted a pair of Oakleys but without the Brit price so asked me to buy them for him. He paid me via paypal but when I tried to withdraw the funds they sent me an e-mail saying I was a suspect for terrorism and they had locked my account. Right, like $200 is worth laundering you f'ers.

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Uh, so? do you only become a citizen of the world if you're President? that seems odd.

I don't ever expect McCain to either be intellectual or consistent. Them days is waaay past gone.

pissed off patricia @ 39:

I like the phrase! We are all in this together and we all share one earth, so WTF? We are responsible for our earth and for one another. If we all focused on what we have in common rather than our differences, this just might be a better world for all our fellow citizens of the world.

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

You want to know who ACTUALLY used the phrase 'New World Order'?

George Bush. That's right. George 'Dubya' Bush's FATHER.

Look up his September 1990 speak. You can still see clips of it on youtube.

The Bush Family crime syndicate, and their bootlick, Johnny McSame, probably shouldn't have brought up that particular phrase....

... But I'm glad they did.

Let them choke on their own words.

As a citizen of the Pan-Galactic Federation, am I considered an extreme librul or just a nutcase?

The will be faux outrage from the rabid right over the citizen of the world comment. It's an election year. The GOP and their surrogates gotta have something to distract Americans from the deficit, the economy, the war and gas prices.

I think all Americans should be "made" to travel.
Most Americans are "intellectually" inbred because they have not been exposed to the world as it exists. They only get what is fed to them by an MSM spouting the corporate slant on the world. They are quite content with this since they really don't give a s*^t about anything that doesn't pertain to their own insular little world anyway.
I have lived in 7 different countries in the last 25yrs and have had the opportunity to visit dozens more. And even after my last tour of duty in the Middle East; the people are much more like us than they are different.

if , we are all citizens of the world , then why must we invade countrys and destroy other citizens of the world , afganistan comes to mind ,

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Okay that really did make me laugh out loud. Are you serious? As if being president gave one the big okay to use the phrase in public? Come on, you didn't really mean that did you?

Left&Left @ 37:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Is this a new rule that you just invented Johnny? After all your hero McShit in pants asked Obama to travel abroad. You are one desperate fuck.

Wow. What a load. I can see where cogent argument is way, way over your head so maybe you should just stop reading my posts and they will stop confusing you.

Oh and my history on this site is long and well known. My guy Edwards was gone early but my vote won't go to any Republican...ever. So drop the sophomoric invective and ad homonym, grow up and maybe we can talk.

Surging Blue Lensman @ 46:

As a citizen of the Pan-Galactic Federation, am I considered an extreme librul or just a nutcase?

Wouldn't that make you a Klipton, Klaxin or Vulcan or something?

Sue @ 42:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Uh, so? do you only become a citizen of the world if you're President? that seems odd.

No, you don't give the opposition ammo during an election. Not odd at all.

It's nice that you find those quotes from the great leaders of the past but it shows you are stuck in your naïve pre-9/11 mindset. We can't afford the luxury of being citizens of the world due to the threat of islamobamafascism.

Kilgore Trout @ 48:

I think all Americans should be "made" to travel.
Most Americans are "intellectually" inbred because they have not been exposed to the world as it exists. They only get what is fed to them by an MSM spouting the corporate slant on the world. They are quite content with this since they really don't give a s*^t about anything that doesn't pertain to their own insular little world anyway.
I have lived in 7 different countries in the last 25yrs and have had the opportunity to visit dozens more. And even after my last tour of duty in the Middle East; the people are much more like us than they are different.

+1 with a vengeance. You are so right.

CafeenMan @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

I like the phrase! We are all in this together and we all share one earth, so WTF? We are responsible for our earth and for one another. If we all focused on what we have in common rather than our differences, this just might be a better world for all our fellow citizens of the world.

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

pissed off patricia @ 50:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Okay that really did make me laugh out loud. Are you serious? As if being president gave one the big okay to use the phrase in public? Come on, you didn't really mean that did you?

Yep. Just ask John "Global Test" Kerry.

grampa @ 54:

It's nice that you find those quotes from the great leaders of the past but it shows you are stuck in your naïve pre-9/11 mindset. We can't afford the luxury of being citizens of the world due to the threat of islamobamafascism.

I can afford it!

Left&Left @ 37:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

JFK also used the same words in his speech in Berlin, Jan 20th, 1961:

"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you."

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Is this a new rule that you just invented Johnny? After all your hero McShit in pants asked Obama to travel abroad. You are one desperate fuck.

No, what you heard was the sound of the Republican shills slamming the door to their final fall-back position. If they couldn't get him for looking UN-statesmanlike on this trip, the fallback position was to accuse him of looking TOO statesmanlike, and thus being ARROGANT. (The elitist tag didn't stick, and the 'exotic' tag (as a euphemism for 'black') was a non-starter. But if he ends up being TOO popular, you can always get him on 'arrogant.')

Okay, so, because Obama drew a HUGE crowd in Europe, he's arrogant now. Almost as if drawing a huge crowd is a show of opulence. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, and Fox News starts drawing parallels between Obama 'wearing his huge crowds the way a rapper wears bling.'

grampa @ 54:

It's nice that you find those quotes from the great leaders of the past but it shows you are stuck in your naïve pre-9/11 mindset. We can't afford the luxury of being citizens of the world due to the threat of islamobamafascism.

That seems like a racsist remark. You are watching to much Faux and CNN.

who cares about logic and context?
it's just another orange that Bobo can put in the towel and beat Anjelica Huston with.
nothing more and nothing less.

the right is all about putting welts and bruises on the arguments of the opponents.
I mean, what the hell ELSE are they going to do?

CafeenMan @ 52:

Surging Blue Lensman @ 46:

As a citizen of the Pan-Galactic Federation, am I considered an extreme librul or just a nutcase?

Wouldn't that make you a Klipton, Klaxin or Vulcan or something?

Arisian, actually. We were thinking about making Obama an honorary member but that wouldn't be doing him a favor - the McLame camp would have too big of a hay day with it.

Republicans: We are outraged whenever it suits us. If Obama is wearing a flag pin, I'm sure they can find a source of apoplectic outrage over it.

Help is on the way!

Remember that slogan from the Republicans in 2000?
Eight years later. We fucking really need help!

Thanks Mr. Bush. You are a true leader. He he he he!

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

I like the phrase! We are all in this together and we all share one earth, so WTF? We are responsible for our earth and for one another. If we all focused on what we have in common rather than our differences, this just might be a better world for all our fellow citizens of the world.

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

I think Blackwater would be particularly moved by your gesture. :)

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

I like the phrase! We are all in this together and we all share one earth, so WTF? We are responsible for our earth and for one another. If we all focused on what we have in common rather than our differences, this just might be a better world for all our fellow citizens of the world.

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

Much worse:
Write Ben Stein a 500-word love letter written in all-caps, alternating each letter with a different color crayon and do a 3'x6' oil-on-canvas portrait of Glenn Beck in a smoking jacket. That'll learn ya.

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 53:

Sue @ 42:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Uh, so? do you only become a citizen of the world if you're President? that seems odd.

No, you don't give the opposition ammo during an election. Not odd at all.

If that's the rationale, then Obama is going to have to sit at home and not say or do anything until election day. Though of course that too would be "ammo" for the other side, which is willing to turn ANYthing and EVERYthing he says or does into a negative. This is the crowd that turned Obama's message in a visitor's book at a Holocaust Memorial into a cheap shot, for chrissake.

Surging Blue Lensman @ 62:

CafeenMan @ 52:

Surging Blue Lensman @ 46:

As a citizen of the Pan-Galactic Federation, am I considered an extreme librul or just a nutcase?

Wouldn't that make you a Klipton, Klaxin or Vulcan or something?

Arisian, actually. We were thinking about making Obama an honorary member but that wouldn't be doing him a favor - the McLame camp would have too big of a hay day with it.

What galaxy is Arisia in?

They do whatever they can get away with if it benefits them. The lies are staggering but effective. They turned John Kerry into a chicken hawk traitor and Bush Jr. into a war hero. They can do anything we allow them to get away with. That's obvious.

Now they can't explain the lack of investigation into the Anthrax attacks on American soil. They can't explain letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora. They can't explain the connections between the Bin Laden Family and The Bush Family and CIA. They can't explain a few other things as well. But us "lefties" are too polite to call them out on it. Sad state of affairs.

Numinous @ 45:

You want to know who ACTUALLY used the phrase 'New World Order'?

George Bush. That's right. George 'Dubya' Bush's FATHER.

Look up his September 1990 speak. You can still see clips of it on youtube.

The Bush Family crime syndicate, and their bootlick, Johnny McSame, probably shouldn't have brought up that particular phrase....

... But I'm glad they did.

Let them choke on their own words.

That calls for some Ministry.

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 38:

Left&Left @ 30:

Just like yesterday the trolls will come here in droves to try to purposely misinterpret what Obama meant as if they can read his mind. Hey trollers, instead of coming here wasting time lying on Obama with non-factual bullshit, try giving us reasons to think about Grandpa....that's OK, common sense isn't common with you bitter, angry people.

Nice ageist rhetoric. Adds so much to the debate. Like there's not enough real issues to get McCain on. It ain't that hard.

If someone came on here to bang Obama's skin color, you'd go ape-shit.

Amazing hypocrisy.

So you can read everyone's mind now? And BTW, many of your "friends" have come to this site attacking Obama because of his color....they're just too cowardly to come right out and admit it. And please give up the "Edwards is my man" shit, he's gone and he told you to vote for Obama. LOL. I won't continue to argue with you based on hypotheticals...you're clearly in a desperate position of WEAKNESS.

grampa @ 54:

It's nice that you find those quotes from the great leaders of the past but it shows you are stuck in your naïve pre-9/11 mindset. We can't afford the luxury of being citizens of the world due to the threat of islamobamafascism.

There are meds that will help you with your paranoid psychosis and xenophobia.

Orangutan. @ 69:

They do whatever they can get away with if it benefits them. The lies are staggering but effective. They turned John Kerry into a chicken hawk traitor and Bush Jr. into a war hero. They can do anything we allow them to get away with. That's obvious.

Now they can't explain the lack of investigation into the Anthrax attacks on American soil. They can't explain letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora. They can't explain the connections between the Bin Laden Family and The Bush Family and CIA. They can't explain a few other things as well. But us "lefties" are too polite to call them out on it. Sad state of affairs.

Not these "lefties"; not THIS "lefty". Now, the "lefties" on the teevee are another story. They been told their homes will be burned to the ground, metaphorically speaking, naturally!, should they step out line and ask these questions.

Wait...what lefties on tv?

Bonkers the Presumptuous Fist Jabber @ 66:

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

Much worse:
Write Ben Stein a 500-word love letter written in all-caps, alternating each letter with a different color crayon and do a 3'x6' oil-on-canvas portrait of Glenn Beck in a smoking jacket. That'll learn ya.

Smoking jacket open or closed? I mean, it could be considered 'cruel and unusual' punishment if you go too far.

RancidVenison @ 70:

Numinous @ 45:

You want to know who ACTUALLY used the phrase 'New World Order'?

George Bush. That's right. George 'Dubya' Bush's FATHER.

Look up his September 1990 speak. You can still see clips of it on youtube.

The Bush Family crime syndicate, and their bootlick, Johnny McSame, probably shouldn't have brought up that particular phrase....

... But I'm glad they did.

Let them choke on their own words.

That calls for some Ministry.

Good stuff there!

Pericles @ 59:

Left&Left @ 37:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 21:

Volum @ 13:

Uh...I believe JFK was already POTUS at that point.

Duh.

Is this a new rule that you just invented Johnny? After all your hero McShit in pants asked Obama to travel abroad. You are one desperate fuck.

No, what you heard was the sound of the Republican shills slamming the door to their final fall-back position. If they couldn't get him for looking UN-statesmanlike on this trip, the fallback position was to accuse him of looking TOO statesmanlike, and thus being ARROGANT. (The elitist tag didn't stick, and the 'exotic' tag (as a euphemism for 'black') was a non-starter. But if he ends up being TOO popular, you can always get him on 'arrogant.')

Okay, so, because Obama drew a HUGE crowd in Europe, he's arrogant now. Almost as if drawing a huge crowd is a show of opulence. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, and Fox News starts drawing parallels between Obama 'wearing his huge crowds the way a rapper wears bling.'

If he'd drawn a small crowd, they'd be saying he was irrelevant. If he'd not gone, he would be uninformed and naive. If he speaks in private, he's not being forthcoming and is holding "sham" interviews. Let's face it no matter what he does or says, Obama will be wrong in their eyes. There are about 25 percent of the people in this country who still think Bush is doing a heckuva job. Those are the people Fox, McCain, and Limbaugh are speaking to. To my mind, the fact that Obama is pissing of the likes of them means he must be doing something right.

Left&Left @ 71:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 38:

Left&Left @ 30:

Just like yesterday the trolls will come here in droves to try to purposely misinterpret what Obama meant as if they can read his mind. Hey trollers, instead of coming here wasting time lying on Obama with non-factual bullshit, try giving us reasons to think about Grandpa....that's OK, common sense isn't common with you bitter, angry people.

Nice ageist rhetoric. Adds so much to the debate. Like there's not enough real issues to get McCain on. It ain't that hard.

If someone came on here to bang Obama's skin color, you'd go ape-shit.

Amazing hypocrisy.

So you can read everyone's mind now? And BTW, many of your "friends" have come to this site attacking Obama because of his color....they're just too cowardly to come right out and admit it. And please give up the "Edwards is my man" shit, he's gone and he told you to vote for Obama. LOL. I won't continue to argue with you based on hypotheticals...you're clearly in a desperate position of WEAKNESS.

And another thing...people like you who come here with this after the fact bullshit proclaiming that you still support Hillary, Edwards or Kucinich(all of whom endorsed Obama) are just using those people as an excuse not to vote for the Democratic Primary winner. Your repeating of O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity propanganda would make the most extreme righty proud. COME CLEAN, YOU ARE A FOX BOY JOHNNY....PERIOD.

“I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen – a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.” -Obama

this line could be taken the wrong way. it is a big stretch though to try to fit this square peg into the round whole of globalization--even if obama is a supporter of globalization.

i had no problem with it and i think it says something about the desperation of the reich right, and might be a winner for obama in the long run. i think most americans are tired of being the vilified members of the int'l community, and felt great that--after a long winter--there is a candidate that inspires and repairs america's tattered image (and this is coming from someone who is not a big obama supporter).

CafeenMan @ 68:

Surging Blue Lensman @ 62:

CafeenMan @ 52:

Surging Blue Lensman @ 46:

Wouldn't that make you a Klipton, Klaxin or Vulcan or something?

Arisian, actually. We were thinking about making Obama an honorary member but that wouldn't be doing him a favor - the McLame camp would have too big of a hay day with it.

What galaxy is Arisia in?

This one, of course! We were here long before the confluence with Lundmark's Nebula. When I say "we", I'm speaking in general terms. The Children of the Lens are actually a child race of the Arisians.

And Obama's pretty big around here too but I'm not seeing a lot of American flags.

Left&Left @ 77:

Left&Left @ 71:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 38:

Left&Left @ 30:

Nice ageist rhetoric. Adds so much to the debate. Like there's not enough real issues to get McCain on. It ain't that hard.

If someone came on here to bang Obama's skin color, you'd go ape-shit.

Amazing hypocrisy.

So you can read everyone's mind now? And BTW, many of your "friends" have come to this site attacking Obama because of his color....they're just too cowardly to come right out and admit it. And please give up the "Edwards is my man" shit, he's gone and he told you to vote for Obama. LOL. I won't continue to argue with you based on hypotheticals...you're clearly in a desperate position of WEAKNESS.

And another thing...people like you who come here with this after the fact bullshit proclaiming that you still support Hillary, Edwards or Kucinich(all of whom endorsed Obama) are just using those people as an excuse not to vote for the Democratic Primary winner. Your repeating of O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity propanganda would make the most extreme righty proud. COME CLEAN, YOU ARE A FOX BOY JOHNNY....PERIOD.

i think you get waaaaaaaaay ahead of yourself sometimes L&L...

not to mention the inaccuracies

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

CafeenMan @ 65:

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

That is the far most sickest sentiment I have ever heard! Who would we make movies about dropping bombs on if we all got along?!? Think of the out-of-work actors before you say stupid shit like that.

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

I think Blackwater would be particularly moved by your gesture. :)

....and Halliburton would bill you for it.

SK @ 81:

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

Great...another revisionist historian=liar.

Fanon @ 74:

Bonkers the Presumptuous Fist Jabber @ 66:

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

Much worse:
Write Ben Stein a 500-word love letter written in all-caps, alternating each letter with a different color crayon and do a 3'x6' oil-on-canvas portrait of Glenn Beck in a smoking jacket. That'll learn ya.

Smoking jacket open or closed? I mean, it could be considered 'cruel and unusual' punishment if you go too far.

well, I was going for punitive measures, not outright torture. After all, I am not a barbarian!

Left&Left @ 83:

SK @ 81:

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

Great...another revisionist historian=liar.

I'm not a revisionist, or an historian.
Seriously, how does recalling something that happened 2wks ago (re: BO's changes-in-position) make me an "historian"?!?
I also haven't lied about anything. Sorry, but I have to stick-up for myself whenever I get smeared by that label.

Hugs,
Steve.

The electronic media will cover Limberger bouncing in his chair ranting about Obama being a citizen of the world, but totally ignore that GHWB and Ronnie Reagan used the phrase.

Wolfie, Brian, Charlie and Katie have their marching orders.

Matt in Texas @ 82:

CafeenMan @ 65:

pissed off patricia @ 56:

CafeenMan @ 44:

Should I go sit in the corner? Do I get no dessert tonight. Do I write an "I'm sorry" letter to Blackwater and Halliburton?

I think Blackwater would be particularly moved by your gesture. :)

....and Halliburton would bill you for it.

[ROFLing!]

Yes your are right JFK did use the same phrase and the right SHOT Him

So, the lesser evil is in. So, instead of a guy run by a neocon hit squad, we get a guy on a CFR leash. Instead of Yale, we'll get Harvard. Clearly, I don't see how McInsane can win. So we're stuck with a guy who voted for FISA. Great. So how is Obama protecting our rights again?

In 2004 we had a huge choice. Do we go with a new Bonesman or stay with the old Bonesman? And was that question answered by the citizens of the United States or was that question answered by Diebold?

And why is it that if you say anything bad about Obama or question him or his motives, you get instantly attacked.

The fact is that this speech is a regurgitation. Simply a paraphrase of other speeches. Whether he's really talking about all of us as "heirs" to this world and himself as "a fellow citizen of a world," or whether he's talking about the global elite as "heirs" to run this world and a global citizenry that will be controlled by globalists, most of us aren't smart enough to know the difference.

But, in the end, isn't it my vote to use as I see fit? Certainly I will not vote for McInsane, but whether I write in Ron Paul or vote for McKinney, it's certainly none of your business. And if I see Obama as just another establishment puppet, spouting fabrications, it's also none of your business.

Neocons have never cared about hypocrisy, intellectual honesty, or consistency.

Why would they start caring now?

When McCain & Co. bash Reagan and Bush for using the same phrase, I’ll respect their intellectual consistency.

You won't be respecting their intellectual consistency anytime soon if ever.

Charles @ 89:

So, the lesser evil is in. So, instead of a guy run by a neocon hit squad, we get a guy on a CFR leash. Instead of Yale, we'll get Harvard. Clearly, I don't see how McInsane can win. So we're stuck with a guy who voted for FISA. Great. So how is Obama protecting our rights again?

In 2004 we had a huge choice. Do we go with a new Bonesman or stay with the old Bonesman? And was that question answered by the citizens of the United States or was that question answered by Diebold?

And why is it that if you say anything bad about Obama or question him or his motives, you get instantly attacked.

The fact is that this speech is a regurgitation. Simply a paraphrase of other speeches. Whether he's really talking about all of us as "heirs" to this world and himself as "a fellow citizen of a world," or whether he's talking about the global elite as "heirs" to run this world and a global citizenry that will be controlled by globalists, most of us aren't smart enough to know the difference.

But, in the end, isn't it my vote to use as I see fit? Certainly I will not vote for McInsane, but whether I write in Ron Paul or vote for McKinney, it's certainly none of your business. And if I see Obama as just another establishment puppet, spouting fabrications, it's also none of your business.

I really don't care who you vote for or what you think of Obama. But, I just don't get why, if it's no one else's business, you are posting all this on a public blog?

Do you really expect GOP dumbasses to know history?

And they wonder why they get called stupid.

SK @ 85:

Left&Left @ 83:

SK @ 81:

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

Great...another revisionist historian=liar.

I'm not a revisionist, or an historian.
Seriously, how does recalling something that happened 2wks ago (re: BO's changes-in-position) make me an "historian"?!?
I also haven't lied about anything. Sorry, but I have to stick-up for myself whenever I get smeared by that label.

Hugs,
Steve.

To say that Obama's "changing" of two positions is the reason he defeated Hillary is revisionism. I refuse to continue to beat a very dead horse with you bitter Hillary people, who amazingly still want to fight the Primary. You people don't realize that you are whoring for the right wing....maybe it's just a coincidence, but you sound like Hannity & co.

Sue Says...the comment is addressed to people who attack those who question Obama. And why can't I publicly say what's my business?

Globalisation is great for the corporations ..

But it's not OK for the people ..

Because if it was OK for the people, then it would not be OK for the corporations to exploit "foreigners" because those "foreigners" would have the same rights as Americans.

And besides, if ALL the people got together, they (hehe .. we!) could rule the world and kick the corporations back where they belong - as servants to the people.

Left&Left @ 94:

SK @ 85:

Left&Left @ 83:

SK @ 81:
Great...another revisionist historian=liar.

I'm not a revisionist, or an historian.
Seriously, how does recalling something that happened 2wks ago (re: BO's changes-in-position) make me an "historian"?!?
I also haven't lied about anything. Sorry, but I have to stick-up for myself whenever I get smeared by that label.

Hugs,
Steve.

To say that Obama's "changing" of two positions is the reason he defeated Hillary is revisionism. I refuse to continue to beat a very dead horse with you bitter Hillary people, who amazingly still want to fight the Primary. You people don't realize that you are whoring for the right wing....maybe it's just a coincidence, but you sound like Hannity & co.

Wrong, wrong.
I'm not a "Hillary [person]". I don't want to "fight the Primary".
You're smearing me. Why?

Sarkozy to America and John McCain:

.."We forward thinking young-er Europeans have more in common with Obama and think your other candidate is old and as stale as an olde English biscuit."

President Sarkozy also wants the people of the world to know:
"Je suis si totalement dans l'amour avec Obama de Sénateur et désire avoir ses enfants!!

(I am so totally in love with your Senator Obama and want to have his babies!)

McCain's reply: " Oh Merde!!" (Oh, Shit!)

MountainMan23 @ 96:

Globalisation is great for the corporations ..

But it's not OK for the people ..

Because if it was OK for the people, then it would not be OK for the corporations to exploit "foreigners" because those "foreigners" would have the same rights as Americans.

And besides, if ALL the people got together, they (hehe .. we!) could rule the world and kick the corporations back where they belong - as servants to the people.

Corporations have never been about service to the people anyway. The American colonies, and colonies elsewhere, were created by precursors to the modern corporations. I also think J. Pierpont Morgan and Cornelius Vanderbilt and Andrew Carnegie did not give a damn about the Average Joe, either.

SK @ 81:

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

The greatest presidents are the ones who can inspire large amounts of people and motivate them. The job of President has long been described the job of "convincing people."

The ability to rally large crowds is, in itself, an action that speaks louder than words. . .

I haven't forgiven Obama for his FISA vote yet but I still can't deny that this charisma he demonstrates is a powerful qualification for the office all by itself. It shouldn't be the only one. . . but it is a very powerful one. The question, as you point out, is if he will live up to the rest of his potential.

After the FISA vote, that is still a crap shoot to me but if it pays off it could pay off big. That makes it a pretty reasonable gamble. I know what McCain would bring to the office. As much as I wanted to write Obama off after that FISA disgrace, I still find that I'm not comfortable with the "devil I know" in McCain. At this point I am still leaning toward the idea that, if the devil I know wants to follow the same governing model that got us here, then the "devil I don't know" couldn't possibly be anything but better.

Charles @ 95:

Sue Says...the comment is addressed to people who attack those who question Obama. And why can't I publicly say what's my business?

You can say publicly what's your business (tho it seems unnecessary) but IMO it makes no sense to say "it's no one else's business what I think of Obama" and here's what I think of him. If you really think it's no one's business, then why tell everyone? I don't think my salary is anyone else's business so I keep it to myself. Otherwise, it just seems like you want to express your opinion and not have anyone comment on it.

Plisko @ 100:

SK @ 81:

I heard Barak's speech. It was kind of meaningless and empty.

Don't actions peak louder than words anymore?
Isn't Obama just another garden-variety corporate candidate?
Didn't he reverse his position on two important parts of his platform, the ones that gave him the "edge" over Clinton?

The greatest presidents are the ones who can inspire large amounts of people and motivate them. The job of President has long been described the job of "convincing people."

The ability to rally large crowds is, in itself, an action that speaks louder than words. . .

I haven't forgiven Obama for his FISA vote yet but I still can't deny that this charisma he demonstrates is a powerful qualification for the office all by itself. It shouldn't be the only one. . . but it is a very powerful one. The question, as you point out, is if he will live up to the rest of his potential.

After the FISA vote, that is still a crap shoot to me but if it pays off it could pay off big. That makes it a pretty reasonable gamble. I know what McCain would bring to the office. As much as I wanted to write Obama off after that FISA disgrace, I still find that I'm not comfortable with the "devil I know" in McCain. At this point I am still leaning toward the idea that, if the devil I know wants to follow the same governing model that got us here, then the "devil I don't know" couldn't possibly be anything but better.

Thanks for posting an intelligent and considered response.

Sue @ 101:

Charles @ 95:

Sue Says...the comment is addressed to people who attack those who question Obama. And why can't I publicly say what's my business?

You can say publicly what's your business (tho it seems unnecessary) but IMO it makes no sense to say "it's no one else's business what I think of Obama" and here's what I think of him. If you really think it's no one's business, then why tell everyone? I don't think my salary is anyone else's business so I keep it to myself. Otherwise, it just seems like you want to express your opinion and not have anyone comment on it.

Well, gosh, except that..what is the topic here? It sure isn't your salary. And that's as far as you can go with my whole post? All you can ask is why I would say it publicly? Why not say it publicly? Isn't that what this site is for? The expression of ideas and discussion of news events and how they impact our lives. Yes, our personal lives.

Charles @ 103:

Sue @ 101:

Charles @ 95:

Sue Says...the comment is addressed to people who attack those who question Obama. And why can't I publicly say what's my business?

You can say publicly what's your business (tho it seems unnecessary) but IMO it makes no sense to say "it's no one else's business what I think of Obama" and here's what I think of him. If you really think it's no one's business, then why tell everyone? I don't think my salary is anyone else's business so I keep it to myself. Otherwise, it just seems like you want to express your opinion and not have anyone comment on it.

Well, gosh, except that..what is the topic here? It sure isn't your salary. And that's as far as you can go with my whole post? All you can ask is why I would say it publicly? Why not say it publicly? Isn't that what this site is for? The expression of ideas and discussion of news events and how they impact our lives. Yes, our personal lives.

Apparently you don't understand. Yes, this is a discussion of ideas and news (my reference to salary is called an example). But, you said that your opinions are no one else's business, then went on to tell them to the world. If you don't understand why that is contradictory, there is no explaining it to you.

Left&Left @ 77:

Left&Left @ 71:

Johnny2BadObamaCavedOnFISA @ 38:

Left&Left @ 30:

Nice ageist rhetoric. Adds so much to the debate. Like there's not enough real issues to get McCain on. It ain't that hard.

If someone came on here to bang Obama's skin color, you'd go ape-shit.

Amazing hypocrisy.

So you can read everyone's mind now? And BTW, many of your "friends" have come to this site attacking Obama because of his color....they're just too cowardly to come right out and admit it. And please give up the "Edwards is my man" shit, he's gone and he told you to vote for Obama. LOL. I won't continue to argue with you based on hypotheticals...you're clearly in a desperate position of WEAKNESS.

And another thing...people like you who come here with this after the fact bullshit proclaiming that you still support Hillary, Edwards or Kucinich(all of whom endorsed Obama) are just using those people as an excuse not to vote for the Democratic Primary winner. Your repeating of O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity propanganda would make the most extreme righty proud. COME CLEAN, YOU ARE A FOX BOY JOHNNY....PERIOD.

I love the smell of proselytizing the morning!! What we aren't allowed to have our thoughts, and beliefs eh? I will vote for who I want, you have no right to dictate to ANYONE who they should vote. I take offense at it and you pushing your shit on me.

Sue @ 92:

Charles @ 89:

So, the lesser evil is in. So, instead of a guy run by a neocon hit squad, we get a guy on a CFR leash. Instead of Yale, we'll get Harvard. Clearly, I don't see how McInsane can win. So we're stuck with a guy who voted for FISA. Great. So how is Obama protecting our rights again?

In 2004 we had a huge choice. Do we go with a new Bonesman or stay with the old Bonesman? And was that question answered by the citizens of the United States or was that question answered by Diebold?

And why is it that if you say anything bad about Obama or question him or his motives, you get instantly attacked.

The fact is that this speech is a regurgitation. Simply a paraphrase of other speeches. Whether he's really talking about all of us as "heirs" to this world and himself as "a fellow citizen of a world," or whether he's talking about the global elite as "heirs" to run this world and a global citizenry that will be controlled by globalists, most of us aren't smart enough to know the difference.

But, in the end, isn't it my vote to use as I see fit? Certainly I will not vote for McInsane, but whether I write in Ron Paul or vote for McKinney, it's certainly none of your business. And if I see Obama as just another establishment puppet, spouting fabrications, it's also none of your business.

I really don't care who you vote for or what you think of Obama. But, I just don't get why, if it's no one else's business, you are posting all this on a public blog?

Maybe if you read the thread with any comprehension you might find out this is a response to someone pushing their agenda on the rest of us. ReadingFTW.

The GOP has to criticize, not because they are right, but for the sake of critizing. They have nothing else. If tomorrow Obama ties his left shoe first and then his right shoe, the GOP will come out and say it was proof he is a Lefty-Muslim-One World government anti-semite. The GOP has reached a caricature-stage. Good for a laugh.

Elizabeth @ 19:

Was it translated onto screens for them or something, or do they just have the audacity to be bilingual (or tri, or whatever) over there in europa?

According to Wikipedia, 50-80% of Germans speak English. (answers.com sets it at 51%, and as a German, I'm kinda surprised it's so low.) Believe me, those that were there could understand it, and most of those watching it on TV could, too.

btw, originally the phrase is from Schiller's Don Carlos. The Marquis de Posa, who plays the 'enlightened', reformer- and cosmopolitan character claims to be a "citizen of the world". This is the reason why he cannot be a king or legislator - he is not nationalistic enough.
(see "Love and Friendship: Rethinking Politics and Affection in Modern Times" by Eduardo A. Velasquez)

Pericles @ 28:

Yeah, when he said 'citizen of the world' it reminded me of when that wet spot suddenly appeared on George Bush's pants when Kerry used the phrase "pass the global test" during the 2004 debates. It's just one of those phrases that causes the wingnut base to break out in spontaneous orgasms.

I think this is because some of them still reflexively think of "citizen of the world" as equivalent to admitting you're a Communist, which was not so long ago the favorite bogeyman. And they haven't caught up to the idea yet that people don't all react that way to such a phrase.

And citizen of the world is a far cry from Globalization talk like a New World Order, with its nice conspiratorial 33rd-degree Masonic undertones.

lucid fiction @ 7:

"Citizens of the World"

read............GLOBALIZATION

You are citizens of the world. It's a statement of fact. Grow up and deal with it.

Seems like the only alternative to "globalization" is "f&*k you, we're American, so do as we say".

Meat @ 111:

lucid fiction @ 7:

"Citizens of the World"

read............GLOBALIZATION

You are citizens of the world. It's a statement of fact. Grow up and deal with it.

The ignorant individual who's screaming about Globalization is trying to confuse the issue.

Obama isn't speaking about globalization of companies, or trying to make a 'New World Order' like Dubya Bush's pappy and Regan kept speaking about and hoping for, he's talking about being responsible in the global community. Last time I checked, we all lived on the same planet. You can look tha up too.

It's pretty obviously that you're a right wing troll, trying to spout lies, but all someone has to do is look at the people you served and worship. They're the ones who want globalization, and are Anti-American. The Bush family, and their figurehead; Ronad Regan, where some fo the worst terrorists on the planet. It's a fact, and everyone starting to notice it.

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