LA Times: Study proves media harder on Obama than McCain
By SilentPatriot Sunday Jul 27, 2008 10:20pm
It was obvious when it first dropped that John McCain's "the press loves Obama" hail mary was an act of desperation designed to distract from the Illinois Senator's incredibly successful overseas tour. That aside, a study by The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University has found that for the first six weeks of the general election campaign, the press has actually been tougher on Obama. Surprise, surprise.
The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.
During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.
Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.
Again, it was obvious that this latest talking point was complete B.S. from the start. It's just nice to have an independent group confirm it. I wonder what the next laughable act of desperation to come out the McCain camp will look like... Whatever it is, you can be sure that the right-wing dittoheads will run with it.
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Well, Duh!
ok, let's not start letting the facts get in the way, mmmkay?
My frendj, I filled my depenj........
Haven't we known this all along?
The Liberal Media = Urban Myth
when give will people in America finally give up on the Corporate Media? They are largely responsible for everything that
has gone wrong in America.
Liberals in academia just covering up for the liberal media. Plus there is no such thing as George Mason University: those liberals went and MADE UP a university and named it after a character on '24'! Nice try, you liberals!
Joe @ 3:
You can use WaPo to clean it up.
Cnn will report it as something Obama isn't qualified for and
FUX will report it as Obama's mess that McKeating5 is willing to clean up.
mcC*nt's next commercial will show the mess and say why Obama made no effort to clean it up.
C&L: Church of Scientology is a bunch of Crooks. Please don't advertise for them.
joeedugan @ 6:
http://www.gmu.edu/
Thats a helluva sense of humor you got there Joe. I'll grant you this link to prove you wrong, just in case your not joking.
MAXIMUM @ 5:
well, the corporate media has probably been notified by the powers-that-be that they're all just as culpable as the bush administration.
you know, the "aspens turn in clusters", all that bull$#!+.
and so, they've all circled their wagons together.
and that's actually a good thing, because if you're serious about fixing america, knock out all the scumbags in one fell swoop.
do we really need katie couric to discern reality on our behalf? can we really trust charlie gibson to not be preoccupied enough w/ playing w/ his ding-dong to shoot straight w/ the american people? should we earnestly deem brian williams competent enough to identify the difference between a horse's @$$ and the dip$#!+ staring back @ him in the mirror every morning?
start from scratch, i say.
Whatever.....this is news only to the very, very stupid.
majority of media control:
1983 - 50 companies
1992 - 23 companies
2000 - 6 companies
2004 - 5 companies
Time Warner, Disney, News Corporation (Rupert Murdoch), Viacom. General Electric.
Who do THEY want for president?
Who Controls the Media?
Well slap me and call me amazed....
As a media-maven, it's hard to be hard on McCain when you still have pieces of his barbecue chicken stuck in your teeth.
Obviously this research institute at GMU is just a liberal front group.
Left&Left @ 11:
There are a lot of stupid stupid people out there. I'll take any window of opportunity to educate them.
Noah @ 12:
yes, these 5 @$$holes all play golf together.
going higher up the pyramid, you get the black magicians who print the $$$.
and they're not even true-believing, G*d-fearing jews, they just pose as jews to foment chaos.
am i allowed to say that on this site?
Noah @ 12:
murdoch bet the wad on hillary.
bullfrog @ 16:
On behalf of the sitemonitor, I can say that I cannot say anything on behalf of the sitemonitor.
Study proves....Billionaires for Obama or McCain.
My independently owned local paper had no coverage at all of Obama's Berlin speech, yet since then has had three op-ed columns critical of it.
Left&Left @ 11:
let's not confuse, or be mean about simple honest ignorance.
"Ignorance once dispelled is difficult to reestablish."
- Laurence J. Peter
"I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him."
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
moniker @ 20:
many do not know that the contagion has hit many 'small town' papers.
I always thought this was obvious. Any time they talk about Obama they're trying to poke holes in him. Before his foreign trip, they were talking about the potential risk. During the trip, they were talking about how going to Europe would be too much. After the trip, they're saying he looked TOO PRESIDENTIAL which makes him arrogant for not pretending to be a moron like Bush. Meanwhile, McCain can say whatever and do whatever because he gets the benefit of the doubt for the stance he took 8 years ago.
Go figure.
Which is why you should never trust a word of it and always double check on liberal watchdog sites on the internet.
This latest whine from Sidney's side is a borrowed vintage with strong tones from the primaries, a definite echo of HRC, aura of " ... is TOO!" and carefully aged from sour grapes.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 22:
This is because small town papers get their news from the AP. When the AP became insane, so did every small town paper in America.
Before I say this, I realize that it's rather superficial....Grandpa isn't photogenic. Now that is as nice as I can put it.
Mister Anderson @ 23:
INCLUDING calling his wife a C*nt.
Left&Left @ 27:
No, he's about as exciting as a damn carrot stick. I don't think it has anything to do with age or ugly. If ugly was a yardstick for not showing people, Lieberman's half alien mug wouldn't ever make the news.
thier are a lot of sick bastards in this country , oh how muh head hurts!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 30:
even the polls ar ein on the fix!
swampfox @ 31:
hi dee ho, Swampfox!
How dee doo?
Krisken @ 26:
my friend's local paper in a town of 2,000 or so has also changed it's editorial focus and is now bent to the reich!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 33:
evening SEQUOIA
Nancy Pelosi nails the GOP http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/pelosi-san-francisco-valu_n_115...
I like to call that a "BFO" A "Blinding Flash of Obvious"
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 32:
From the article:
The question almost asks itself: could Obama have disenfranchised supporters by pandering to the far-right?
Ruthless People @ 36:
yawn.....
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Look at the parent companies of CBS, ABC and NBC and you will see why they go easy on Sidney McSame. The "straight talker" is a corporate puppet. He's their man.
"I wonder what the next laughable act of desperation to come out the McCain camp will look like… "
Is that a rhetorical question???
1. On the GENERAL talking points memo: Obama is 'arrogant and/or presumptuous' to draw crowds that only a president normally does. (Yeah, he should have sent thugs out to keep people away from the rallies, which would have been a nicer story. Preferably thugs wearing bow ties, since then the wingnuts could conflate Obama with Louis Farakkhan.) This talking point has been well underway for a week.
2. On the SPECIFIC: George Mason University is a LIBRUL cesspool, in league with Moveon.org and Media Matters. That one is a no-brainer.
Otay @ 38:
no, the question is how they 'determined' that the people are not 'likely' voters.
Ruthless People @ 36:
And the hidden story: Nancy Pelosi nails the GOP with a backroom deal.
Notice that those statistics, at least for some parts, do not include Fox News.
While this makes sense on one level, i.e. they are obviously biased, it's really misleading in that a significant percentage of people get news from Fox.
Imagine how clear the bias would be if Fox's reporting was included.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 21:
Did Galileo say this before or after the Fox News Division threatened to burn him as a heretic for suggesting the Earth wasn't the center of the universe?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 42:
I'll blame the beer for shooting off incorrectly, but it appears that they do have a silly determination for 'likely' voters, based strictly on whether the voter is a new or first-time voter.
Which indeed would be ridiculous, since this election is not only turning out record numbers, but it is premature to say this election would be like all other elections where first-time voters rarely turn out.
My question would be: what percentage of the American public are you missing in not including those who ONLY have a cell phone? I'm guessing most young individuals who - according to demographics - are trending quite progressive are not included in these polls.
Gramps is just a cranky, old bastard.
mudshark @ 9:
Just channeling the conservative mindset. Sorry if I got too real.
Pericles @ 45:
ROTFLMBBAO
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 12:
The McCain camp must engage in "laughable act(s) of desperation." What else are they going to talk about? The issues? Issues like the 16-month timetable, which McCain called "pretty good," then denied that he used the word "timetable"? Continued tax cuts for the wealthiest? No healthcare solution for the uninsured?
Speaking of omission, they don't tell you that McCain himself had also been turned away from visiting troops, for the same reason Obama was turned away. I guess he's so old it's forgivable that he's already forgot. /snark
This was a study of the "Big Three" networks, which is like calling our former automobile manufactuirng corporations the "Big Three Automakers." I've said it before, and will say it over and over again:
American Broadcast Media: Incompetents selling stool softener to the incontinent.
ABC: Disneyland News. George Stepenfetchalot plays Tim Russert while missing the inconsistencies during interviews that even the other networks catch when sppon fed.
(Check out NBC's current First Read, wherein a McCain Social Security flip flop on Stepin's Sudnay show is sppon fed to Russert's surviving crew by the Club for Growth).
NBC: Electrodes attached by GE to Brian Williams rarely produce visible brainwaves but end up tingling Tweety's legs into paroxysms of man-love.
CBS: Cut, Bumble, Splice.
Think what this study would reveal if they included FOX.
Meanwhile The NYT is doing a number on us all. I'll put on my Maureen Dowd costume and come back in a few minutes as Gray Lady With Knickers in Twist.
mudshark @ 9:
Hey, muddy...
It's sad enough that you actually have to quesition Joe. *sigh* guess that's the state of
our "democracy".......
Caption:
"I. AM. IRON MAN"
You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.
No shit.
It does not take an LA Times study to know what these ignorant people are doing. Many of us are tuned into this shit, each and every day.
Not only are many of us watching this crap, but more important is the FCC, watching it also and not doing a dame thing about it.
Today's outrage, comes from non other then CNN's Cambell Brown and how this ignorant Bush, bitch, sat her stupid arragant ass on nation wide TV, and simply taunted the families of innicent victoms of this illegal war.
I tell you folks, it might have been a good idea, they continue to allow some many guns on the street.
Well according to today at Harper's the LA Times is now to be written entirely by computer anyhow, if so let's see if anyone even notices the difference.
http://www.harpers.org/subjects/WashingtonBabylon
Yeah, and if you watched Morning Joe (Scarborough) last night on MSNBC, you'd have puked because they just ignored the facts and went on talking about how the media was all sweet on Obama. Facts do not matter to the bastards.
Adam Nagourney of the New York Times wrote an article based on poll numbers which implied Obama's candidacy had not changed racial divisions in America or in the campaign. Obama's campaign complained to Nagourney and gave a long refutation to Greg Sargent of TPM. According to the New Republic, Nagourney was not too pleased. Now Nagourney has posted anothe poll base article entitled "Where's the Bounce."
MoDo explains it all for you.
Missing Campaign Muscles and Other Amber Alerts
by Miss Manners Dowd
This is one Gray Lady with her knickers in a Twist. Our Broadcast brethren are busy debating over whether the starlet's turn dancing neath the Nazi statuette is a better visual than stodgy by heroic John McCain's efforts to call in a Clean up on Cheese Aisle 3.
Meanwhile, a Prince of Print, our very own Adam Nagourney has asked the big question of what's missing from this campaign and even the little brothers and sisters of Cable news won't shine the amber alert lights on the obvious. Why, asks Adam, isn't Obama beating that dead horse McCain into the ground?
Mr. Nagourney, known for rippling his robust prose over poll after poll touched on the forest recently, noting that for all his adoring fans, the Starlet Obama had yet to wipe out everything pre-Brownie vs. Bored Education. Blacks, he noted, still suspected they were not getting a fair shake in our fair country. Whites, with we Irish Catholics notable in our righteous optimism, felt they were shaking and baking better.
Obambi, angry at Adam for not saying he had parted the dead sea of race relations and led us all to the promised land, dared to use facts to refute Mr. Nagourney's work, and showed his table manners needed work by providing his numbers to a mere Internet scribe. This, of course, led to Mr. Nagourney's latest opus, entitled "Where's the Bounce." The simple fact is, as Adam so rudely notes, Obama is running against a corpse, although one beloved for his tortuous service to our great land.
You might ask how does Adam know how much bounce Mr. Obama should have. Could it be measured in distance traveled or imaginary linear square feet? Is it, as Don Rumsfeld cleverly postulated, one of those things that we don't know we don't know. Don't bore me with the possibilities. It is more important that the Gray Lady asked than that she doesn't have a clue. You see, Obambi offendeth the Gray Lady by flicking his data with a limp wrist to the bloggers in the basement set. We'll never feed him crumbs from our table again.
Add this on to the list
John McCain has never cared about the troops.
And this should be forward to all the news networks since they are comfortable allowing this man to get away with lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBTOPyiCXQY
Saw Kitty Pilgrim subbing for Lou Dobbs on CNN the other day. She was discussing Obama and his recent campaign with such thinly-veiled contempt that it actually made my jaw drop.
When she switched over to how things were going in McSameland, it was all smiles and warmth.
I thought CNN was going to start using on-screen disclaimers for partisan hacks like her while they were on the air :/
There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat, there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Limits.
Color me totally unsurprised.
Like you can't tell this just by flipping on the teevee?
BTW, on rightwing radio, they are trying to counter the obviousness of this study on media bias, by pointing out that reporters, even Faux News reporters, give more money to the Democrats.
Well no duh.
Ever heard of trying to "soothe their conscience" for what they KNOW they're doing wrong every damn day at work? And of course an individual reporter's contribution is nothing compared to the to the corporate bribery going on in the executive boardrooms of their media parent companies. You can be sure THOSE people are giving money hand over fist to the GOP. And THOSE are the people who "control the vertical and the horizontal".
The only time they'll swap, is when the Dems are in control, and they want to buy legislation, just like AT&T buying spying immunity, and "Voila!" they're magically sponsoring the Democratic Convention.
Just once, I'd like to be represented in Washington D.C.
Just ordinary little 'ole me.
Just because that's what Senators and Congressmen and Presidents are SUPPOSED to do.
Represent "We the People".
But now all they represent are "We the Corporation".
As Thomas Jefferson said, "If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."
Well that's pretty much happening right now, because we didn't take his other advice to heart:
"I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength and to bid defiance to the laws of our country."
Jefferson also said:
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt."
Well George Bush has taken us from a $138 billion dollar surplus, to an over $400 billion dollar deficit -- and that's not even counting the cost of the war.
Thank you, GOP! Congratulations, you broke the country.
And frankly, because YOU broke it, I think YOU should have to pay off the debt.
Anyone who voted for George Bush, starting with the wealthiest and working our way down, ought to have to pay for this debt out of their own pockets FIRST.
If that means you yourselves end up with nothing? Fine. Democrats will give you a nice welfare allotment so you don't starve, and subsidized housing until you get back on your greedy feet. We actually ARE compassionate, after all, and methinks you'll be thanking us for our "bleeding hearts" at the point when it's saving your ass.
Perhaps after that little journey into "how the other 99% live" you'll learn better than to vote Republican.
The next people who should have to pay, is anyone who voted for a DLC Democrat Republican-in-Disguise, starting with any Connecticut voter stupid enough to vote for Liebermush in the last primary election. (I exempt people who voted for whomever the Democrat was in the general election, because we know you were only trying to get Congress back for the party, on the off chance that SOMEBODY would actually punish the Republicans.)
Next up, people who voted for Harry Reid in the primaries. After that, anyone who voted for Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harman, Dianne Feinstein, Adam Smith of Washington State (his single cowardly vote was what pushed renewal of the Patriot Act over the threshold, so he's on my shit list), Rahm Emmanuel, and Steny Hoyer.
Now after all that, if there's anything left to pay off, the rest of you will suck it up and pay, because you too bear some responsibility, because you didn't get your asses out onto the streets with torches and pitchforks every single day until this criminal administration was bounced out of the White House. You have to pay for your IN-action.
All those who, again in Jefferson's words, understood that, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism," we foot the bill last, because at the very least, we stood up and called "BULLSHIT!" to this entire thing.
In U.S competence is the mortal sin. Everything is always fine or maybe things are even too good. You need someone to try to screw up, because one by definition cannot even screw up. So you have to even try. Because things are fine and perfect, everyone who tries to make the world a better place is deluded. Bush is a retard but he is perfect because nobody can mess things up. Mccain is clueless but he is the perfect man for the job because things are already fine and cannot by definition be any better. There is no need for Obama because U.S. is doing fine. Therefore anyone who tries to make U.S better than perfect, hey, it's an impossibility (!), must be taken care of. Obama must be crazy. Better than perfect, LOL what is he thinking?
As usual, the right wingers are engaging in their little game of "playing the ref". They know that when they accuse our spineless media of not being as hard on Obama, even though it's not true, the media will react by being that much tougher on Obama because, goodness knows, they don't want to be accused of having liberal bias. Of course, we all know, they've been giving Grumpy McSame a free ride for quite some time.
Toss in the Obama-bashers over at Fox News to the Big 3 networks and conservatives are holding 4 of a kind. Hard hand to beat. Time to fold and hope you do better with the new deal. ;)
Cas @ 8:
C&L shills for anyone who has green to spend. Just ask Glenn Beck....
You've been listening to KO again...read your story...the study pertains to NETWORK NEWS and you conflate that into "the media"...silly...anybody watching MSNBC in recent months that thinks they're been "harder on Obama" needs to have their tv privileges revoked!
joeedugan @ 6:
Joe, put on your sunglasses and get out of Mom's basement.
“I wonder what the next laughable act of desperation to come out the McCain camp will look like… “
Perhaps he'll shit himself for freedom.
What took so long for anyone to come out and just say it?
Been prevalent for years . . . only getting more brazen and obvious since Bush took office and Murdoch bought out most of the media. Were it "liberal" as they try to push down your throat Mr. Dan Rather would still be CBS anchor instead of the mealy mouth excuse Couric!
just saw cnn going on about how the media's luv affair with Obama might be over... I'm wondering what planet are they broadcasting from. Of course they didn't mention this factual study. At cnn they ask how McCain and Obama could be so close in the polls. Well, maybe it has something to do with msm not doing their job and as someone put it(Sam Seder?) ''media helps McCain cross the street''.
MAXIMUM @ 5:
Yep! They have paved the way for corporate fascism in America. The corporate MSM is the biggest obstacle we still face. The repukes (thanks to Bush and their own record at governance) would be irrelevant if not for them.
"Without a truly free press, dumb and silent, we will be led like sheep to the slaughter."
The repukes couldn't pull 25% of the vote in this election if the press actually did its job!
And now the media is trying to tell us that the race is neck to neck by providing us with these phony polls everyday..
Today the pollsters saying that McCain is ahead of Obama,
when:
Obama is ahead among women by 6 t0 4
Obama is aheard among Hispanics 3 T0 2
Obama is ahead among blacks 9 t0 1
Obama ahead of McCain among workers
Obama ahead of McCain mong other minorites like Asians.
Voting Registrations among Democrats are much higher than Republicans.
McCain does not have all Republicans support, some votes will be going to Ron Paul 6% and some will be going to cndidate Barr of 'Libertarian party' 7%.
Popularity of Bush is 28%
Popularity of Cheney is in the teens.
Popularity of Republicans senators and congress members are so low...
So, how come McCain is getting 49% of the vote in the polls, when 66% of Americans want out of Iraq and want an end to this war,and McCain has no idea what to do about war, and the economy 'except to send more tax rebates,and stand beside a gas pump or oil well for photo opp...?!!!
Whom these pollsters are asking..?!!
I don't see it, I am not convinced..
All the lies McBush says and no one questions him. All the mistakes he makes and no one makes a fuss. But Obama does not go visit the troops and its headline news. Expecially on FOX. I only wish that Obama wouldl fight back when McBush makes campaign ads lying on him. I see no attach ads from him. Hes got to fight fire with fire. Only Keith Obermann questions McBush's lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBTOPyiCXQY
Randy @ 76:
I know. The talking heads keep asking that question.
Liberal AND Proud @ 72:
Patriot Pooh?
I believe its safe to add NPR to the list of tilted new outlets. They have ever so slyly but quite obviously tilted towards the Republicans over the past few years.
What the mother effer does McCain think the effing media was doing when they ran that mother effing Wright footage over and over?? They were trying to bury him for 3 months, for christ sake. How about obsessively picking apart Michelle Obama and giving validity to rumors about "whitey" and "terrorist fist jabs"???!!! And muslim this and Hussein that. Fuck you.
Talk about whiners.
Oh, boo-hoo. Obama is actually acting like a president, getting 200,000+ people to see him speak in Germany where people are waving American flags instead of burning them. Meanwhile Grandpa McWhiney is soiling his depends in the apple sauce aisle at Safeway.
McCain has as much charisma as a piece of toast. Keep on whining, whiners.
What in the hell is the press supposed to do??? It's been eight embarrassing years of watching an overgrown teenager bumble and humiliate us on the world stage. No one was burning Obama in effigy, there were no protesters and Obama actually proved that perhaps Europeans don't hate Americans, but rather they hate George Bush.
It's the last gasp of a broken brand trying to act like a petulant child who doesn't get his way. It's smacks of desperation.
There was even more damning pro-Republican, anti-Democrat data from the report:
The same study found that mainstream media helped Barack Obama win support for the Democratic party nomination over Hillary Clinton, providing even more evidence that mainstream media works to get Republicans rather than Democrats elected in general elections.
Oh but doesn't this thread contradict this cartoon?
http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/gm/
There is an upside to this.
As Obama is handled harder, you might conclude after that, that he's more seasoned and prepaired to do his duty as president than egghead is.
I made this point the other day, the media is Obama Obama Obama and McCain is crying foul!, well Mr. Sidney, do you really want the microscope of the MSM on you? I mean really, how many of us if the media decended on us like locusts would be able to show our faces again? The going through yearbooks, calling friends from HS and College, the looking for old flames, tax records, shopping habit, going through our trash, the only reason they don't get in Obama's trash is cause the SS i s guarding it, our trash would not be so secure. Now look at McCain, crashed or destroyed 5 planes, bombed civilians, caroused, cheated on his wfe, with a younger woman no less. Millionaaire heiress wont release her tax records, Keating 5, nothing in McCains name? All the more reason to look at the wifes finances if his are actually under her control. Cancer, operations, another operation, old, really old, really really old. A flip flopper extraordinaire. The list goes on any one of which you could cover for a week on the MSM. That's not even counting his misspeaking, his gaffes and goofs along with his lack of knowledge about who's who, what's where and when shit happens. I said it yesterday, they look at McCain for a week like they do Obama and he's 30 points behind just like that.
Dancer @ 70:
MSNBC still has Scarborough, they still have Tweety "man love" Mathews they still have Conservative talking heads that puke RNC talking points and then are not challenged after a blatant falsehood or lie, I mean really I watch people spew that Obama the most liberal Senator shit and the mediator just smiles and nods or goes to the next guest, If a RNC hack came on and said the Earth is Flat because of Obama, they'd call it an interesting debate which we'll continue after these messages. Coming up Next Some people say Obama'a a socialist alien from Andromeda, we'll cover this story and more next on your name for news, on the election coverage issue number situation channel.
Darth Hater @ 79:
Freedom Soil?
Mike @ 86:
don't forget Gregory.
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