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McCain flips on affirmative action - or does he?

In John McCain’s interview with George Stephanopoulos yesterday, McCain was asked about an issue that he rarely talks about: affirmative action.

That McCain answered by talking about his opposition to “quotas” was, of course, ridiculous. “Quotas” and “affirmative action” are not the same thing, as McCain knows (or, at least, after 26 years in Congress, should know). But just as importantly, McCain’s position comes as something of a surprise, given that he used to take the opposite position, even having described ballot initiatives like the one this year in Arizona as “divisive.”

OK, so McCain flip-flopped. That’s hardly a shock; he does this all the time. What’s interesting, though, is that McCain may not actually know his own position on the issue.

After the interview aired, and Barack Obama expressed his “disappointment” with McCain’s response, CNN followed up with the McCain campaign directly. McCain’s spokesperson, Tucker Bounds, told CNN via a written statement, “John McCain has always been opposed to government-mandated hiring quotas…. He has long stood for the protection of civil rights and equal opportunity for all Americans.”

CNN’s report added, “But pressed about whether McCain indeed supports the Arizona initiative, the campaign would not answer.”

There are already serious questions about whether McCain is able to speak on behalf of the McCain campaign. This won't help.

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McCracker opposed the MLK holiday. where's the flip, much less the flop?

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Considering all the disadvantages blacks have labored under from the 17th century to today, I firmly support affirmative action. How a GOP candidate so ill-suited for the job of President got the nom, though, I don't know. Then again, looking at the list of alternatives the GOP presented.....

Attila the Appeaser, No Stomach for Kristol's picture

John Sidney McCain III got where he is through the soft bigotry of low expectations.

conrad's picture

So McCrazy thinks Blacks(Obama) should be kept in their place-way to go Archie Bunker!!!

bullfrog's picture

i'm genuinely beginning to feel bad for mccain, and i'm starting to feel a bit guilty for some of the jabs i've thrown the old coot.

witnessing his campaign, it's like watching mister magoo play ping pong versus a ninja, it's like listening to harry caray try to read off the ingredients of a candy bar, it's like watching an opussum trying to cross the tracks at the indy 500.

it's like trying to spare a pinata from a mob of kids hopped up on mountain dew and grand theft auto.

MountainMan23's picture

There are already serious questions about whether McCain is able to speak on behalf of the McCain campaign. This won’t help.

Thanks, Steve.

It's about time someone pointed this out !!!

conrad @ 4:

So McCrazy thinks Blacks(Obama) should be kept in their place-way to go Archie Bunker!!!

and C*nts, too!
(I call them women, but he even refers to his wife by that label. My apologies to the other gendered humanity.)

Matt in Texas's picture

How about this major flip-flop:

He supported the United States of America before he turned against it by making propaganda films for North Vietnam when we were at war with them.

General_Rennenkampf's picture

conrad @ 4:

So McCrazy thinks Blacks(Obama) should be kept in their place-way to go Archie Bunker!!!

Well, look at how old he is. Ideas like Civil Rights probably still seem to be dangerous radicalism to him, much less Women's Lib and Gay Lib.

Matt in Texas's picture

OT - Man, those "snorg tee-shirt" girls are cute!

bullfrog's picture

Matt in Texas @ 8:

How about this major flip-flop:

He supported the United States of America before he turned against it by making propaganda films for North Vietnam when we were at war with them.

i've heard that one, but how about a link?

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USA Today notes that the presidential race has only one hundred blessed days left to run, saints be praised, and so they've written up a handy little guide to the "red letter days" of the race, so that you can mark your calendars accordingly. Keeping track of dates in this fashion is apparently important! Reporter Susan Page says that "at Barack Obama's headquarters in Chicago, a countdown calendar hangs just outside campaign manager David Plouffe's office." A similar calendar "appears on white boards throughout John McCain's headquarters," where none dare call it a timetable.

Just like the 2006 race, the media will spin the shit out of everything they can in order to make the race close enough to steal, using DIEBOLD, ESS, SEQUOIA and, of course, FUX.

Matt in Texas's picture

Sorry, I don't have one for the films; anybody out there got one?

But by McCain's own admission, he DID provide information to his captors when other POWs didn't.

Charlie's picture

sorry what were you saying about flip-flopping? i can see are the cute doggies!

breakspear's picture

it doesnt what matter position he takes, hey the earth is flat McCain crowed today, the press will not report it. in fact theyll cover it up or apologize for him.

mudshark's picture

Matt in Texas @ 13:

Sorry, I don't have one for the films; anybody out there got one?

But by McCain's own admission, he DID provide information to his captors when other POWs didn't.

It's been scrubbed. I went looking for some info on it. All I found was wiki and it doesn't quote what he said. But it does say he did sign on the dotted line in Hanoi.

mudshark's picture

But I'll keep looking Matt.
you never know what you can find out there. All ya gotta do is be diligent.

mudshark @ 17:

But I'll keep looking Matt.
you never know what you can find out there. All ya gotta do is be diligent.

consider the source, but this is not the only account available

http://www.newtotalitarians.com/JohnMcCainAsPOW.html

Matt in Texas's picture

Ive since been surfing around and apparently McCain admits it in his book "Faith of My Fathers." I haven't read it. Anybody out there who has, to save me from doing so?

Jack Canuck's picture

My wife still believes that McCain will win the election. I find it hard to believe, but then again, I never thought Bush had a chance against Gore, and I never thought that McGovern could lose to a sleeze like Nixon.
It seems that being a lying sleezeball idiot is an advantage when competing in US political races.

calgarylady's picture

CIP @ 7, that made me laugh out loud. No apology needed.

Karl Rove's picture

Just think what an old white greedy corporate rich man thinks of and you will know where McCain stands on every issue. screw all those who lost the sperm derby and were born with out big money backing them up.

calgarylady @ 21:

CIP @ 7, that made me laugh out loud. No apology needed.

;<[)

Karl Rove @ 22:

Just think what an old white greedy corporate rich man thinks of and you will know where McCain stands on every issue. screw all those who lost the sperm derby and were born with out big money backing them up.

sperm derby reminds me of the scene in Woody allen's Everything you wanted to know about sex*.... I can't stop laughing.

you have to remember the scene when all the sperm are waiting in the white room for the anticipated ejaculation.

miss skeptic's picture

McCain had his 6th "mole" removed today - he's had melanoma with 3 recurrances, plus he had a squamous cell carcinoma removed in Feb. that nobody reported, now this one has been removed "just to check it" - yeah, right. Again, it's not his chronological age, it's all the cancer he's fighting that should automatically disqualify him.

Matt in Texas's picture

"and C*nts, too!
(I call them women, but he even refers to his wife by that label. My apologies to the other gendered humanity.)"

He calls his wife a CENT??? Boy, he has NO respect for her fortune!

James D. Milne's picture

Tucker Bounds? You're kidding,right?

Matt in Texas's picture

CoIntelPro -

"I've heard of big rubber walls...."

"What am I doin' here? What am I doin' here?"

"Oh well, at least he may be Jewish."

I haven't thought of that film in years. Thanks for the reminder.

sassafra's picture

mccain was for his campaign, before he was against it!

Matt in Texas @ 26:

"and C*nts, too!
(I call them women, but he even refers to his wife by that label. My apologies to the other gendered humanity.)"

He calls his wife a CENT??? Boy, he has NO respect for her fortune!

now that's ABUSIVE and I won't stand for it! that is, AFTER I stop laughing.

Matt in Texas's picture

CoIntelPro -

And wasn't Tony Randall in charge in the brain?

sassafra @ 29:

mccain was for his campaign, before he was against it!

if you check with his campaign, they won't comment whether he is for or against it. As a matter of fact, they won't even comment on or confirm what "it" is.

It's too funny to even snark. Really.

Matt in Texas @ 31:

CoIntelPro -

And wasn't Tony Randall in charge in the brain?

I think that was him. He kinda 'lost control' of things at the end.

;<[)

Roket's picture

I’m waiting for the following interview:

Reporter: Senator McCain….

McSenile: Who?? Oh yeah, that’s me. Gafaw, har, har.

Matt in Texas @ 28:

CoIntelPro -

"I've heard of big rubber walls...."

"What am I doin' here? What am I doin' here?"

"Oh well, at least he may be Jewish."

I haven't thought of that film in years. Thanks for the reminder.

it always makes me laugh and for some reason, that room reminds me of the mcKeatinFive campaign: a bunch of aimless ideas running pointless around a blank room waiting for an uncontrollable moment to be unleashed on us via the conduit of the press.

yes, the press is a dick!

there!

I said it!

*more laughter - I can't stop*

Matt in Texas's picture

"Matt in Texas @ 31:

CoIntelPro -

And wasn’t Tony Randall in charge in the brain?

I think that was him. He kinda ‘lost control’ of things at the end.

;<[)"

Yeah, but they "re-achieved" the erection to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic.........then had to re-group and get back to work when the woman wanted to do it again.

I still think the "Orgasmatron" scene is one of the funniest in history.

Matt in Texas's picture

No, wait.... I meant "The Orb" scene when he was posing as a robot.

steve b's picture

Lately I can't tell the difference between The Onion and a 'real' McCain headline... what a joke!

Roket @ 34:

I’m waiting for the following interview:

Reporter: Senator McCain….

McSenile: Who?? Oh yeah, that’s me. Gafaw, har, har.

Reporter: well, you were senator mccain yesterday as well. (smile)

McSenile: No I wasn't.

Matt in Texas's picture

That's it - tomorrow I'm going to look for it on DVD. It's too funny to not own.

Matt in Texas @ 36:

"Matt in Texas @ 31:

CoIntelPro -

And wasn’t Tony Randall in charge in the brain?

I think that was him. He kinda ‘lost control’ of things at the end.

;<[)"

Yeah, but they "re-achieved" the erection to the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic.........then had to re-group and get back to work when the woman wanted to do it again.

I still think the "Orgasmatron" scene is one of the funniest in history.

Orgasmatron was from "Sleeper".

Matt in Texas @ 37:

No, wait.... I meant "The Orb" scene when he was posing as a robot.

also from "Sleeper".

Matt in Texas's picture

An interesting debate would be McCain 2000 vs. McCain 2008......

Matt in Texas's picture

Matt in Texas @ 37:

No, wait…. I meant “The Orb” scene when he was posing as a robot.

also from “Sleeper”.

Damn! You're right. I'm getting confused. I could be a Republican presidential candidate!

"Everything.." had the medevil "beaver shooting" scene didn't it (with the chastity belt??)

Matt in Texas's picture

(Site monitors: if I mistakenly reference "Annie Hall' please mercifully delete any further comments. I'll quietly go to bed.)

Karl Rove's picture

JOHN MCCAIN, TRADER TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.

Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

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Matt in Texas @ 44:

Matt in Texas @ 37:

No, wait…. I meant “The Orb” scene when he was posing as a robot.

also from “Sleeper”.

Damn! You're right. I'm getting confused. I could be a Republican presidential candidate!

"Everything.." had the medevil "beaver shooting" scene didn't it (with the chastity belt??)

FORGIVEN! they are so funny.

E Y W T K A Sex
SLEEPER
WHAT'S UP TIGER LILLY?

that was woody's funniest era.

Karl Rove @ 46:
add:

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain
Feb 1, 2008 ... Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . ...

Matt in Texas's picture

OMG - "What's Up, Tiger Lilly" is a classic!! I first saw it on TV, 15 minutes or so into it. I had no idea WTF was going on, but was laughing hysterically and couldn't change the channel.
{ Matt, Can we get back on topic please. Thank You. SiteMonitor}

Horst's picture

HHhhhmmmmmm....? Didn't we see this video farther down the page? He must get to affirmative action at the very end, eh?

MacDaKnife's picture

I think it has become clear, McCain is trying to please too many different groups, with too much disparity in their platforms. I know he wants to take a big bite out of the moderate vote, but the moderates have shifted left, from where they were over the past 10 years. To hold on to them, he must take positions, which pisses-off the far-right. If he tries to take pro-environment positions, he pisses-off his lobbyist friends, and the corporations, who are raping the earth. But, if he does not support the environment, again he loses votes from the moderates.

Hitherto, the MSM has let his flip-flopping go by unchallenged. So, he could say, what he 'needed' to say to each group. Recently however, he is being redirected back to the original question. One can plainly see his annoyance when this happens. But, anyone watching, can notice he usually goes right back to his initial response. The man is truly between the proverbial 'rock and a hard place'. I continue to wonder if he will be on the GOP's final ticket.

j swift's picture

McBush is against quotas, which is Conservative bullshit for affirmative action, which McBush will continue to sell in spite of the law explicitly banning quotas, in a dishonest attempt to score some votes from the conservative and stupid demographic.

oh really's picture

Why exactly is this bozo running for preznit? I thought he was running because he knows how to win wars (i.e., get shot down and remain a captive until somebody rescues your sorry ass). Now, he tells me he's running because of family values. Is he going to use family values to win the wars? I guess he's going to crush Iran with a massive display of traditional families. That'll show 'em.

One of the creepiest things about McCain (and there are lots of creepy things about this guy) is all the smiling. It looks rehearsed, unnatural, and designed to show us that he not only doesn't have a temper, but by golly he's the most easy-goin', fun-lovin' guy on Earth.

Ordinarily, I don't wish bad things on people (Bush Administration members excepted), but for the safety of the world, I sure hope the definitive Alzheimer's diagnosis comes in before election day. I realize that means we'd have an America-hating, communistic Mooozlim* for president, but it always comes down to the lesser evil in American elections.

*Not to be confused with a Muslim. A Mooozlim is a person who isn't a Muslim, obviously isn't a Muslim, states emphatically that he is a Muslim, and has still managed to completely fool a significant number of Americans into believing he is a Muslim.

Tyler Durden's picture

j swift @ 52:

McBush is against quotas, which is Conservative bullshit for affirmative action, which McBush will continue to sell in spite of the law explicitly banning quotas, in a dishonest attempt to score some votes from the conservative and stupid demographic.

Funny how conservatives are against quotas but they all belong to country clubs...

JustSickOfIt's picture

I'm not sure why it would surprise anyone a repig is against affirmative action. It's simply part of their message of hate and oppression.

What made me laugh was his comment about how he expects Russia to have better behavior. HA! Why don't you lead by example for a while and then you can expect others to perhaps behave like civilized countries. The US has no business telling other countries to behave better.

I almost expected McBombsalot to threaten Russia with invasion. Why not? They are a nuclear threat to the world, and the global interests of the US. Sounds to me like they need to be put on the top of the AXIS OF EVIL list and be taken out.

What an incompetent dolt.

Burr Deming's picture

Our site takes a similarly supportive view on affirmative action. Thanks for adding your voice to the blogging universe.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Oh geez, that whole "quota" thing is soooo 1980s.

I think Rip Van McWinkle needs to go back to sleep.

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

Why in the hell should minorities get special treatment? Only stupid white guys from rich families should get special considerations.

Rusty Shackleford's picture

McCain, whose whole career has been enabled by other people's success (pappy, grandpappy, second wife's pappy), could hardly speak out about affirmative action.

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