This Week: Tom Ridge Hedges On Anthrax Investigation
By Nicole Belle Saturday Aug 02, 2008 8:00pm 
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Former head of the Homeland Security Department, Tom Ridge, appeared on This Week with George Stephanopoulos as a McCain supporter, but his presence there was clearly to remind the American people of the threat of terrorism upon which McCain is basing his entire campaign. It would probably be more effective if Ridge wasn't the one who didn't admit--after his tenure--that the Bush administration played up those color-coded terror alerts more than necessary, but hey, that's just me.
George Stephanopoulos asks Ridge about the recent development in the anthrax case (its very existence proving the "we haven't been hit since 9/11" meme a lie) and whether Bush and Cheney wanted the facts to show that al Qaida was responsible. Funnily enough, though he denies that Bush and Cheney wanted the intelligence manipulated (because they've never done that before), he's not entirely prepared to say that the man now fingered as the source of the anthrax attacks, Dr. Bruce Ivins, is solely guilty, even though the FBI have come out and said that they're comfortable they had the right man and in light of his suicide this week, they're prepared to close the investigation.
Now, I'm not prepared to comment one way or another on Ivins--I'm actually startled to learn that there WAS an anthrax investigation ongoing, so little has been heard about it. I will say that it's curious to me that initial reporting about Ivins from neighbors described him as friendly and unlikely to do something like this and then the reporting took a strange turn with a therapist saying he had expressed interest in mass killings, even going as far as to say he wanted to revenge kill women, although that doesn't explain targeting Tom Daschle and Pat Leahy (nor has anyone suggest a partisan bent on the part of Dr. Ivins).
But above all, the most ironic thing is that this question was asked on an ABC show at all. Steve Benen explains:
If the investigation is officially wrapping up, as it appears to be, and the FBI is confident that the perpetrator is now dead, there's no reason for ABC News to protect sources that deliberately lied as part of a larger initiative to con the public into supporting an unnecessary war in Iraq.
For that matter, those who helped spread the lie should obviously be held accountable. In this instance, that has to include John McCain, who appeared on "Late Night with David Letterman" on Oct. 18, 2001, before ABC ran with its patently false stories linking the anthrax attacks to Iraq.
Transcripts below the fold
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let's also talk before you go about the anthrax is back in the news. You were the director of homeland security for President Bush right after the anthrax attacks. And there's a report in the New York Daily News this morning that suggests that White House officials were pressuring the FBI to pin this attack on Al Qaida. Now it appears that the FBI believes at least that it was Dr. Ivins at Ft. Detrick, Maryland.
I guess two questions. Were White House officials at the time trying to pressure the FBI?
RIDGE: President Bush and Vice President Cheney on many of our meetings were saying, "follow the evidence wherever it takes you and cast a universal net worldwide. Whether it's domestic, whether it's international, whether it's Al Qaida, whether it's not, we need an
answer." That was the pressure.
They weren't looking for -- they were looking for an answer, but they weren't trying to identify one before the investigation was completed.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you believe the FBI has found the culprit?
RIDGE: It's difficult. I don't know how far -- I don't know the evidentiary trail. I don't know how deep they dug. So it would be difficult for me to comment. But I know that they were relentless, relentless, both domestically and overseas, both -- with the notion that it could have been a part of a broader terrorist network, but it could also have been the act of a deranged individual or two.
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Protect the nation....except when the terrorist is a white man, eh?
Fuck the GWOT.
my guess is someone's got f.b.i. director mueller by the balls, but that mueller and his top men all know what's up.
they probably need as much civilian support as imaginable cracking this case, and they know corporate media won't help much at all.
who does mueller have to answer to, again?
Nothing is going to cause me to believe Ivins sent Anthrax in the mail. And I doubt if he committed suicide.
I don't know what to think about this. Right now I have no trust in any faction of this government. When Bush and his cronies came in, they completely destroyed every branch of the Government from the DOJ, FDA, and even food safety, Christ! Even our childrens toys were poisonous. Now, I find myself total distrustful and very worried.
"targeting Tom Daschle and Pat Leahy"
both democrats, hmmm ... I'd just love to see what's in Cheney's office safe.
relentless????
now that is funny
and why would anyone believe a word of what ridge has to say, when we have documentation that he created terror alerts solely for the political purposes
All the press coverage and the way the press is pushing . Makes me wonder.
Was this guy Dr Ivins really a nuts as they portray him. They sure seem to push the point that he was the lone assailant.
And considering that it is an election cycle for the POTUS. Well, it smells funny.
Something stinks. They're trying too hard to convince people. Somethin ain't right.
Suicide is painless. To history. Meaning I find the accused man's "suicide" very dubious. It's also very convenient for anyone else involved.
Investigation over. Don't forget to turn out the lights.
Next stop, Fantasyland.
This whole episode has been strange from day one. Remember when John Ashcroft came on television to talk about Stephen Hatfill being a "person of interest"? And then they drained that small pond looking for evidence that never materialized. Is it just me, or does this seem like a really cheesy spy movie? I think Congress should definitely keep looking at what happened. I have a feeling the road leads to someone much more interesting than Ivins.
Jo @ 3:
As in many of the cases where we know that someone in government is involved, someone commits suicide. Where have we seen that played out before?
The American public all know where the terrorist are and we all know what they are doing.
They are in Washington and they are destroying the Constitution and the Rule of Law. They are Lying and Spying on the citizenry.
I don't want to believe in conspiricy theories but Bush and his cronies are the most corrupt of all of our presidents. Remember the rich dude who died a MONTH before being sent to prison? And Bush Sr. was there with the mourners at the funeral?
Pat Leahy should be on this like a rat terrier. Prove he was in Hamilton NJ . This stinks as much ,but never more , than the TILLMAN incident,accident what-ever. And these guys are leaving in January?????
Where else could you off so many people ,with-out fearing any retribution,other than this gig? And if the only way in life to get your jollies was the old up or down thumb deal, where else could you attend to 140+ in Texas, +/- 1 million in Iraq, a couple thousand troops and a couple of Federal inmates for desert. Come on if you're into spilling blood it doesn't get any better than this. And the possibility of being the first psyco to have the blood of over a billion humans on your head ,Priceless. Where else could a blood luster get a chance to inflict that kind of obliteration, on that scale ?
Keylimeade @ 9:
Your right, the US government does look like a really badly written Spy novel.
This whole situation just cries out for further investigation, but in all likelihood the fix is in. Anthrax letters were sent to ABC News, CBS News and NBC News: you would think they would care about finding whoever tried to kill their employees, but the MSM is now far more part of the problem than part of the solution. I have more confidence in the parent company of the National Enquirer, to whom another letter was sent, than I have in the networks doing the right thing. Isn't that a sad commentary on our country?
Who is gonna ask Mcsame about his Letterman comment...........?
Whatever the truth is, we aren't going to get it from these assholes.
...Court records shed further light on Saturday on the concerns of a mental health professional who met Mr Ivins during his final months, a period when, friends say, he fell into depression under the strain of constant FBI scrutiny.
Meaning he'd been fine and cheerful, friendly to the neighbours, just a guy doing his usual job, right up until the investigation. That doesn't sound like a sociopathic serial killer.
This so echoes the death of Dr David Kelly in the UK: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/sep/02/huttoninquiry.hutton2
How bloody convenient for the FBI that they have someone to pin the blame on who now can't defend his innocence. Nice and neat, wrap it up, put it in a box, file it away and tell the public to forget all about it, we've got everything under control, nothing to worry about...
I don't believe he committed suicide, either. Republicans sure are a scary bunch of f*ckers.
Nixon had his cloak and dagger "Plummers." Will the public be surprised to learn of Republican secret ops that are carrying out the wishes of the Party today? Will the American public even care?
Maybe some curious reporter could ask Mr. McCain where he got his information from when he tried to pin the anthrax on Iraq. Now that the FBI says that was in fact NEVER true.
Maybe he could go on Letterman again to explain himself. I'm sure being the celebrity he is Dave would have him on with short notice.
Dead men tell no tales..
Read Glenn Greenwald at Salon for the complete story including ABC news lying to the public for six years.
Is anybody investigating this? IS any MSM looking into this? I wish we had real reporters instead of the so-called good-looking talking heads who read their teleprompters and spew corporate drivel.
P.D. @ 24:
Maybe tomorrow KO or Dan abrams will cover it. Rachael Maddow?
General_Rennenkampf @ 1:
yeah and this guy had to be a Republican. otherwise why would he target high profile Dems like Daschle and Leahy? makes no sense for anyone else to do it.
All the GOP has is fear itself. Be afraid and empty your wallets.
The right bloggers are not sure that Ivins done that, because "no white man commit such actions " , they want the FBI to continue investigating, but if he was an Arab or has a Muslim name or any non-white, he would be convicted and FBI should put on no-trial in gitmo and see that is the immigration policy fault, and see the lefty media. Take for example Michelle Malkin comments on the case, don't you think she convicted in her blogs many innocent Arabs or people who looks non-white? what happens about the two suspicious Arab guys who acted suspicious on a boat?
V!
They chased the wrong guy in the Olympic bombing, the wrong guy in the anthrax attack, caught Timothy McVeigh by accident, the Unibomber was turned in by his brother, and Osama bin Laden is free. But Bush and Cheney say everyone in Guantanamo, over seas prisons, or black sites deserve to be there.
Bangkok@25, you're right. If I wasn't for them, I would probably brain-washed like the rest of the masses. Bring-on the Kool-Aid!
Ron @ 10:
I remember a young man who committed suicide right after the nukes flying over the US by mistake.
yeah, Ivins killed himself.. sure, that's believable.
and Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
and, for that matter - Ann Coulter is a woman!!
Pat Riot @ 33:
He IS???
Pat@33, LOL! Meow. I would say that was a low blow. But, then again, we are talking about Ann Coulter....
Jo @ 32:
I remember that were dozens if not more after JFK was assassinated.
... the FBI have come out and said that they’re comfortable they had the right man and in light of his suicide this week, they’re prepared to close the investigation.
i'll BET they are...
get it wrapped up, locked away, and hurry up - there's only a few months left...
this "suicide" actually adds another layer to the investigation...
something's very rotten, that's for sure...
P.D. @ 24:
KO did a couple of segments on it at the start of his Friday night show, interviewed the LA Times reporter who broke the story and has been covering the anthrax story since day 1, also interviewed an investigative reporter who had some choice words for the stench surrounding this whole thing. Per the comments in this story at Emptywheel's site, Ivins and the Anthrax Investigation very few people with backgrounds in psychology and psychiatry who comment there, much less any of the attorneys there (many excellent ones, btw), believe a word of Duley's "testimony", nor do they buy the 'justice of the peace' court she went to for her useless 'protective order' was in any way what she should have done. An ER doctor or two weighed in on that. VERY interesting comments, believe me. And Marcy's story was typical of her, excellent.
It looks like we have the possibility of a couple of hour break in the monsoon weather, I can see some blue and sunlight.
See you all later, I'm going out and take a walk around the Old City inside the moat.
Abbia un giorno piacevole
Ciao,
There are a lot of things about this "suicide" that disturb me. First, Dr. Ivans had been in a mental institution at the time he committed suicide. So we're supposed to believe he had the ability to wander around the hospital collecting enough Tylenols to overdose on, while under surveillance. Next, he had sent two of the letters to Leahy and Daschle, two men that could have held up passage of the Patriot Act back in October 2001. And what about the references to Allah and Israel in his letters which supposedly linked the anthrax to Al Qaeda or Saddam? I honestly think this is one of the smoking guns which proves that elites in our government were behind the 9/11 attacks. A really good resource (besides Crooks and Liars) for piecing the whole story together is at www.infowars.net
one thing seems clear... we can all agree the anthrax came from within our borders, probably from a government installation.
the anthrax attacks, sent to leahy & daschle, arguably enabled the passage of the patriot act.
so, put on your hat and think like a lunatic...
"...he’s not entirely prepared to say that the man now fingered as the source of the anthrax attacks, Dr. Bruce Ivins, is solely guilty, even though the FBI have come out and said that they’re comfortable they had the right man and in light of his suicide this week, they’re prepared to close the investigation." I feel so much safer now, knowing the the FBI had gotten their man -- A day late and a dollar short. Now that that is over they are going to close down an investigation that took something like six years to "complete", only because the newest person of interest took his own life. This is supposed to bring closure to the families of the victims and to the nation? This happened post 9-1-1, incase the republicans have to be reminded, after all they keep telling us how we have not been attacked since 9-1-1 on American soil.
Gotugye @ 20:
Blackwater?
katy @ 37:
Indeed! And the local coroner's already decided there won't need to be an autopsy. A guy that has the scientific background it takes to work at Ft. Detrich takes a massive overdose of Tylenol+Codeine? WTF??? The STENCH of this has an odd Cheney-esque quality to it.
EMPY @ 23:
Yep, you are just one click away from knowing what's really going on:
Journalists, their lying sources, and the anthrax investigation
something stanks in denmark....why the rush on this case. the fear mongers seem uptight
Makes me want to go rent a movie. Maybe "V for Vendetta"...
oh, wait!!!!
NO AUTOPSY?!?!???
... his wife must be terrified... that poor family...
Let's see here, the biggest unsolved case of the 21st Century is about to be closed. The FBI found their man and have 'solved' this through DNA. Yet NO ONE from the head of the FBI, the Atty Gen, Homeland Security or the president has stepped forward to take 'credit' for the ability to finally put our minds to rest over the second act of terrorism to hit our country in this century. Case closed, problem solved, nothing to see here, move along.
It will be another part of our eternal damnation if this gets rolled under a carpet.
a google search (Ivins, autopsy) turned up this:
[...]
Maryland's chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, confirmed Saturday that the cause of Ivins' death was found to be an overdose of acetaminophen, the active drug in Tylenol; and that it was ruled a suicide based on information from police and doctors, according to the AP.
Kimberly Thomas, a forensic examiner with the Maryland Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, would not comment Saturday on results from Ivins' autopsy or confirm Dr. Fowler's statement.
[...]
Woman's ties to anthrax case unclear
Search the Maryland Courts Database
It has been reported that the woman who swore out the legal complaint against suicided scientist Bruce Ivins, Jean C. Duley, is 45 years old.
It has also been reported that the "C" stands for "Carol".
After agreeing to the terms, fill in Jean Carol Duley for the name and search all records. You will find 7 cases for driving under the influence. The year of birth is correct for a 45 year old woman.
If this is indeed the same Jean C. Duley who set up Bruce Ivins, it goes a long way to explaining just why her specialty is counseling addicts, and why she might need a few favors from higher up to keep her driver's license! After all, Maryland has a "three strikes" law for drunk driving.
w r h
Frederick Memorial Hospital is the hospital to which Ivins had been confined since July 10th.
So, how did he get his hands on enough Tylenol #3 to commit suicide in a mental ward???????
Those places don't leave that sort of thing just lying around.
wrh
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022202.html
Dr. Bruce E. Ivins, a biodefense researcher at
Fort Detrick, Maryland, and his attorney, Paul F. Kemp, were actually negotiating a plea bargain with elements of the U.S. Justice Department that would have led to the indictment of former Fort Detrick laboratory scientist, dual ISRAELI-U.S. citizen, Dr. Philip M. Zackerie aka Dr. Zack, for sending the anthrax letters that led to the death of numerous people post 9/11.
CAUGHT ON TAPE
An investigation was launched that exposed the shockingly lax security measures at the lab, and raised the possibility that some specimens may never have been entered in lab records. Also uncovered was a tape from a surveillance camera showing the entry of an unauthorized person into the lab, at 8:40, on January 23, 1992, let in by Dr. Marian Rippy, lab pathologist. The night visitor was Lt. Col. Philip Zack, a former employee who had left as a result of a dispute with the lab over his alleged harassment of Dr. Assaad. The Courant reports:
"Zack left Fort Detrick in December 1991, after a controversy over allegations of unprofessional behavior by Zack, Rippy, [lab technician Charles] Brown and others who worked in the pathology division. They had formed a clique that was accused of harassing the Egyptian-born Assaad, who later sued the Army, claiming discrimination."
"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, plans and actions towards therapist," Duley said, adding that his psychiatrist had described him as homicidal and sociopathic." Jean Carol Duley
Okay, here is the obvious question. If this guy was such an obvious nutcase going back to his college days, how did he get a security clearance to work with biological weapons?
This isn't over by a long shot! The FBI(if they have indeed "wrapped up" their investigation) is NOT the sole domestic criminal investigative angency in this country by any means. Even with the guy dead the FBI can NOT say "yes that's the man" without actual evidence. As a matter of fact I believe to do so is illegal in this country. Something about civil libel I believe.
Mr. Blade, another obvious question is why is a 'therapist' giving statements attributed to a psychiatrist? That's more then just a little passing odd. Unless of course therapists are easier to buy then psychiatrist. If you know what I mean.
Funny... last week McCain's whole campaign was IN THE TANK... and Obama was soaring.
Now, Anthrax is back in the headlines, the main suspect IS DEAD... SO HE CAN'T TALK, and McCain supporters have another TERROR NEWS STORY that can push Obama's agenda off the TV screens. Sounds like Blackwater handiwork to me.
How long will it take for Osama Bin Laden to show up "dead" in the form of a charred body (because McCain will catch up to him in hell) that will be impossible (due to some extraordinary circumstances) to identify?
I find it odd that one report claimed that he wanted to test his vaccine on human subjects. That seems a little too easily digestable a motive, a little too Hollywood.
"but it could also have been the act of a deranged individual or two"
Just like Abu Ghraib?
myshadow @ 49:
This case is full of holes. Nobody wants to touch it because they know that they messed up big time with killing this guy. This man was in a psych war at the time. He did not commit it at his house. THe tin foil hat guys knew this was an inside job back in 2001/2002. The anthrax was the AMES strain from Fort Detrick, coated in Bentonite with wing flaps on it so it could float in the air for longer periods of time. It was weaponized. The real Suspect is Dr. Philip M. Zackerie aka Dr. Zack
Mr. Blade @ 52:
Isn't suicide by acetemetaphine (?) a relatively slow process, taking several days?
Charles @ 58:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR200808...
"He had no access to dry, powdered anthrax, according to Fort Detrick spokespersons, who said that only liquid anthrax was used at the Fort Detrick facility in animal aerosolization experiments," said Meryl Nass, a physician and bioterrorism expert. "If he had been making dry anthrax, it would have been detectable."
Interesting article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-10-13-anthrax-labs_x.htm
"Army investigators concluded that years of sloppy practices at the lab resulted from neglect of safety procedures, compounded by the pressure of a high-profile criminal case. One researcher described a common room in the lab area as a "rats' nest." And experts say the "sloppiness" documented in the report may complicate prosecution if the anthrax killer is ever caught, especially if defense lawyers can cast doubt on USAMRIID'S reliability."
So all of you discontented voters who have your h---d up your a--, keep saying you'll vote for McCain or Nader or someone else or no one because Hillary isn't the candidate, just keep it up and let McCain install MORE OF THE SAME, as he will. He may even, because he's no inept and unknowledgable, be worse than Bush & Company. Remember, McCain IS military! He only wants to win, whatever the cost, even if there's no goal. Yes, we'll have more of the same hiding of information, secretly spying on people, torture of prisoners, war and stupid expenditure of our tax monies when we can least afford it. Not that the Democrats are saints, they aren't, but for a while they can help to stem the tide of ruination that is slowly engulfing our country. So, to those of you who will vote for McCain and not for Obama, I say, more of the same.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_00...
On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved.
That person was Jerome Hauer
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/view/index...
This Jerome Hauer guy has to be pissed because we already know his cover-up and involvement in 9/11 and the anthrax attacks. He was the one who hired John O'Neil to head WTC security. Jerome Hauer worked for Kroll Associates the "CIA of Wall Street"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Jerome+Hauer
I could go on and on but you can do your own research. I don't want to get to off topic.
Glenn Greenwald deserves an award for his article in Salon. That is the stuff of real journalism.
Cheney and the gang are hiding something REALLY big.
This case remains the biggest genuine threat to the government. There doesn't appear to be any way out. No one's buying this Ivins suicide guff.
The so-called 'therapist' is in reality merely a counsellor. Her testimony is as weak as it comes.
Philip Zack. Now there's a lead. Seems to be a made man, though. "Hands off, FBI".
"Documents from the inquiry show that one unauthorized person who was observed entering the lab building at night was Langford's predecessor, Lt. Col. Philip Zack, who at the time no longer worked at Fort Detrick. A surveillance camera recorded Zack being let in at 8:40 p.m. on Jan. 23, 1992, apparently by Dr. Marian Rippy, a lab pathologist and close friend of Zack's, according to a report filed by a security guard."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/ctnow_com%20SPECIALS.htm
hmmm.... if true, it is just one more example of the Right Wing NUTJOBS who are drawn to the insanity that IS the Bush Adminstration.
My 2 cents: this whole thing stinks. Out of the blue we have a suicide responsible for the anthrax. Bullshit.
Noah @ 5:
You might not. It's a man-sized safe. There might be a "portrait of Dorian Gray" type thing going on. And if Cheney looks the way he looks now, can you imagine what that portrait in the safe looks like?
From Glenn Greenwald's excellent Salon article today:
"Did the FBI meaningfully investigate who sent an anonymous letter to the FBI after the anthrax letters were sent, but before they were made public, accusing a former Fort Detrick scientist -- the Arab-American Ayaad Assaad -- of being a "potential biological terrorist," after Assaad was forced out of Fort Detrick by a group of USAMRIID bioweapons researchers who had exhibited extreme anti-Arab animus? [Laura Rozen, Salon, 1/26/2002]"
Then I read Larisa's article at At Largely, in which she connected the dots, so to speak. Trenton NJ, from which some of the lethal anthrax letters were mailed, falls on the major interstate running between New York City and Fort Detrick. On 9/11, bioterrorist experts were in their command center in WTC 7, preparing for a major NYC bioterrorism city-wide exercise scheduled for the next day, 9/12, when they heard one of the hijacked planes fly overhead and into the WTC building next door. With airplanes grounded, any bioterrorism expert at WTC 7 on 9/11 would have had to drive back to Fort Detrick...passing through Trenton NJ. Maybe this person (or persons) drove back on Sept. 18th, which is the postmark on one of the lethal anthrax letters mailed out of Trenton NJ?
Anyway, it is obvious that whoever mailed the lethal anthrax letters was trying to pin blame on Arabs/Muslims (the anthrax originated from Fort Detrick) since the messages contained in each "purportedly" came from an Arab/Muslim. When combined with this additional information about an anonymous letter being sent to the FBI, presumably outing an Arab-American bioweapons scientist at Fort Detrick, who worked there until he was forced out by a group of USAMRIID bioweapons researchers with an "extreme anti-Arab animus," then one must presume that it was one of these Fort Detrick USAMRIID bioweapons researchers behind the anthrax attack.
So, were either Hatfill or Ivins members of this group? Did either of them have an "extreme anti-Arab animus"? Did either of them participate in the campaign at Fort Detrick to fire this Arab-American bioweapons expert? Did either one of them ever indicate that they hated liberals enough to send lethal anthrax to some, while trying to pin blame on Arabs/Muslims?
If not, then the person at USAMRIID responsible for the lethal anthrax mailings is still on the loose. (Of course, the guilty party could just be someone who knew a member of this USAMRIID group and somehow got access to weaponized, lethal anthrax through them). How many members are there in this USAMRIID group? Were any members of this group in NYC on 9/11 at the WTC 7, preparing for the next day's bioterrorism exercise? If not, does any member of this group live in or near Trenton NJ (Larisa at At Largely pointed out that no one would want to drive a long distance carrying weaponized anthrax in their car, airplanes were grounded, remember, but especially in the Northeast shortly after 9/11 when so much security was visible everywhere and random stops and searches were being conducted by law enforcement).
And I don't believe in coincidences...and how well the lethal anthrax attack played into the Bush administration's overall strategy of trying to establish a "permanent Republican majority" and starting a war with Iraq over Iraqi oil...while the Bush administration (and lapdog MSM) have consistently downplayed the significance of the huge number of copycat terrorist mailings that followed the initial lethal one, with 99 percent of these copycat terrorist mailings (hundreds of thousands, I believe) directed at liberal individuals and organizations.
When will the lapdog MSM (C&L) figure out that the real terrorists are in Washington?
At the risk of being labelled a conspiracy nut I can't help but wonder about two things. If he was a devout Christian, why would he commit suicide? Also, why no autopsy? It seems that anyone involved in a major crime who shows up dead should have an autopsy. Oh well, I guess this one's wrapped up and put away nicely for the Bush administration.
How does someone overdose on Tylenol 3 in a hospital?
Especially, how does someone who was hospitalized for being a risk to themselves overdose on tylenol 3? How did he get that much? How did he get access to it?
Doesn't make sense.
I believe the more likely suspect is Dr. Philip Zack who also worked at Ft. Deitrick. He was accused of writing fake letters to frame his muslim co workers in another case. Zack happens to be a Zionist Neo Con, he will never ever be brought to justice.
An anonymous source leaks forensic evidence tracing the mailed anthrax DNA to Ivin's lab. Ivin's co-patented vaccine neatly ties in a profit motive. This took 7 yrs to discern?
How convenient.
Gee, mommy....another war criminal told a lie?
Gosh, who'da thunk it????
I'm not buying the anthrax-guy-is-dead-case-solved meme. The government had the identical "evidence" on the other guy, and they ended up paying him a huge settlement when he was able to demonstrate he was innocent. My bet is it's more a case of, "Hey, let's make this dead guy the patsy". I still think the government (Cheney's goons) sent out the anthrax to pressure a few members of Congress who were failing to get with the program on approving the Patriot acts and a few other mailings just to fog the issue a little bit.
BTW, Stephanopoulus sucks. He's such a whore.
Justin Ramaindo over at Antiwar.com had another good article on this topic today.
Is there anyone at the FBI who can analyze the handwriting on the notes? It seems that if Ivins didn't pen them then there must be another (others) responsible. Either way the case shouldn't be closed based just on this most basic of investigative tools.
Interesting how he says at the end of the clip that the anthrax attacks could have been the acts of a deranged individual or two....did he just tell us what we all knew all along???
The announcement last week about what Hersch reported was uttered in Cheney's office (Seals, Iranian gunboats, etc.) connected to this "suicide" and the anthrax and McCain's utterance about "..maybe it was Iran." in 2001 scares the crap out of me.
Have they no shame?
If it smells like a crock, and looks like a crock. . .
Noah @ 5:
As the Majority leader and the Judiciary Committee head, they were the only 2 people in the Senate that had the power to stop the Patriot Act. Talk about GOP scare tactics.
Just for the record.
I never understood Tom Ridge's qualification for the job of head of Das Homeland Security. Other than loyal republican wanting to serve Bush. As Monica Goodling would say.
Chertoff is even fuzzier.
Suicide my ass. Like Webb who shot himself twice in the head. It just happened to kill the only few people with enough pull to stop the passage of the (Anti-)Patriot Act. And it's just a big coincidence that Bush Co. started taking Cipro just a couple months earlier (just enough time for it to start working before the attack).
If you ask me, it's much deeper than Bush Co though. The (Anti-)Patriot Act took years to prepare.
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