U.S. May Have Taped Visits to DetaineesForeign Countries Sent Interrogators

By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 5, 2008; Page A01

The Bush administration informed all foreign intelligence and law enforcement teams visiting their citizens held at Guantanamo Bay that video and sound from their interrogation sessions would be recorded, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The policy suggests that the United States could possess hundreds or thousands of hours of secret taped conversations between detainees and representatives from nearly three dozen countries.

Numerous State Department cables to foreign government delegations in 2002 and 2003 show that each country was subject to rules and regulations "to protect the interests and ensure the safety of all concerned." Condition No. 1 stated that U.S. authorities would closely monitor the interrogations, a practice that the Defense Department confirmed last week was also carried out to gather intelligence.

Most-absent member of the Senate, John McCain, says:

“I call on Senator Obama to call on Congress to come back into town and come back to work,” he said. “Come off their recess. Come off their vacation and address this energy crisis for America and don’t leave until you do. Republican and Democrat joining together. And a very vital part of that is nuclear power. And another vital part of that is offshore drilling.”

I think this story is a joke. It has to be a joke. Is it April 1st already?

don't underestimate the mccain campaign.

remember, his camp is fighting to keep the wool over joe sixpack's eyes, and thereby keep themselves out of jail.

just how viciously would YOU fight to keep your @$$ out of jail?

they're also really enjoying the party, and don't want it to end.

they're going to "fight for their right to party", because it beats going to jail.

so, what are YOU fighting for? is it worth it to you to work HARDER?

So Dana Milbank will no longer appear on Countdown.

His smirk was a little annoying, and he and Keith were getting a tad too "chummy" on air.

There is enough of the show spent being 'cute', so less Dana is not necessarily a bad thing.

And kudo to the crew at Countdown on holding him responsible for what he writes. Or fails to write, as it were.

the mccain campaign's discovered humor, and it's working for them. it's their best tactic; humor wins elections.

when they make the obama / urkel connection, ya'll better be ready.

obama's not going to have 527's; he has to seem "above the fray."

but there's no reason you and i can't go out there and lampoon the $#!+ out of that old coot, not just on these threads, get on politico, huffpo, the chicago trib, your local paper. make a youtube video.

i'm only 36 but if there's one thing i've learned about american politics, it's that the side that does the more hilarious trash-talking ALWAYS WINS.

we are literally going to have to work (and laugh) our @$$es off to beat these damn mongrels...

McCain Unhinged: The Must Issue for the Obama Campaign
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/04/10787/

Obama can expect to have at least a quarter century more birthdays.

McCain will be lucky if he doesn't have a stroke, heart attack, etc. before 2009.

in the last 18 months there have a record 90 filibusters
yeah that terrible paper thin majority democrat legislative
branch.....public is getting the snow job on that
listen to reid regarding the katrina/rita on shore/off shore spills....and his say on the phoney off shore drilling public relations gig were being feed
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/47491-djk-interviews-harry-reid-on-meet-th...

Bullfrog said;

"the mccain campaign’s discovered humor, and it’s working for them. it’s their best tactic; humor wins elections.

when they make the obama / urkel connection, ya’ll better be ready.

obama’s not going to have 527’s; he has to seem “above the fray.”

but there’s no reason you and i can’t go out there and lampoon the $#!+ out of that old coot, not just on these threads, get on politico, huffpo, the chicago trib, your local paper. make a youtube video.

i’m only 36 but if there’s one thing i’ve learned about american politics, it’s that the side that does the more hilarious trash-talking ALWAYS WINS.

we are literally going to have to work (and laugh) our @$$es off to beat these damn mongrels…"

I see McDainbramage as Mr. Magoo, driving his old jalopy, not being able to see well, yelling at trees "get off my lawn!" He drives into a pond and is mad because his $500 shoes are wet. "Cindy, Cindy, Daddy needs new shoes!"

seevee @ 18:

Bullfrog said;

"the mccain campaign’s discovered humor, and it’s working for them. it’s their best tactic; humor wins elections.

when they make the obama / urkel connection, ya’ll better be ready.

obama’s not going to have 527’s; he has to seem “above the fray.”

but there’s no reason you and i can’t go out there and lampoon the $#!+ out of that old coot, not just on these threads, get on politico, huffpo, the chicago trib, your local paper. make a youtube video.

i’m only 36 but if there’s one thing i’ve learned about american politics, it’s that the side that does the more hilarious trash-talking ALWAYS WINS.

we are literally going to have to work (and laugh) our @$$es off to beat these damn mongrels…"

I see McDainbramage as Mr. Magoo, driving his old jalopy, not being able to see well, yelling at trees "get off my lawn!" He drives into a pond and is mad because his $500 shoes are wet. "Cindy, Cindy, Daddy needs new shoes!"

EXACTLY. obama can't say that $#!+ but his grassroots supporters sure as hell can.

obama can't talk about mccain calling his wife a c*nt and a trollop, but YOU can.

obama can't make fun of mccain's yellow, rotting dentures... but YOU can.

constituent @ 19:

surprise look at this graph it shows who is #1 in receiving
contrabutions from oil&gas

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?ind=E01

Interesting how Barack and Hillary received almost the exact same amount. Less than one third of McGaffe.

No Happy Birthday from C&L to Helen Thomas? What's up with THAT???

Site monitor, why was my response to Bullfrog removed?

[Dude. It didn't even post. The link is all 9/11ed up, and trips the moderation filter-Sitemonitor]

a good break down on the race bait check it out these people do a freat job

http://www.veracifier.com/episode/TPM_20080804

Ron @ 27:

Ron @ 26:

Site monitor, why was my response to Bullfrog removed?

[Dude. It didn't even post. The link is all 9/11ed up, and trips the moderation filter-Sitemonitor]

It was a link.
[I know. I believe I said as much]

So, you are saying that anything that has mention of 9/11 is being scrubbed?
http://www.aztlan.net/zack.htm

Terrible @ 29:

bullfrog @ 15, here's some links about that but read them fast 'cause there's a scubbing mission going on out there.

http://www.rense.com/general82/rats.htm
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/08/its-small-world-anthrax-division.html
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6239
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/27/181823/011/2/543070

rummy has a possible connection thanks for the info.i did a quick read on the kos

Tequila @ 31:

Greenspan says more banks might need corporate welfare.

has greenspan ever explained where in the u.s. constitution it says we have to have a private bank issue our currency?

it's not that radical to support the abolishment of the federal reserve, you know. andrew jackson did, so did kennedy...

ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE. Bottom Line. Not controversial. At all.

CNBC ~ Jim Rogers calls for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTXEWh2yT_g

A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered forgery
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html

Orangutan@39Says:
No Scrubbing. No Censorship. Our Democracy depends on it.

Did somebody call for a dirty boy with an affinity for profanity?

;-}

p2b, is that you ? By all means, let it all hang out. Give us the dirt, as it were. You know, the hard truth of the situation.

Proud2bHumble @ 40:

Orangutan@39Says:
No Scrubbing. No Censorship. Our Democracy depends on it.

Did somebody call for a dirty boy with an affinity for profanity?

;-}

Hey, don't get too nasty.

bullfrog @ 33, :-) in fact I'd say C&L has always been solid on the 1st! In the 3+ years(God has it been that long! or longer?) I've been commenting here I've only ever had one comment deleted. And that was because it was OT and if I remember right I'd even put in a note to the moderator saying I understood if they needed to delete it. C&L rocks and has since day one!

$1000 "Rebate" or "Gas Tax Holiday"...Hmmmm.

I just can't decide.

Mr. Celebrity

John McCain is attacking Barack Obama for being a celebrity. But take a look at 2005's Wedding Crashers. It stars Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson, Jane Seymour, Christopher Walken, Rachel McAdams and yes John McCain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myu9USHP61o

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/19/190255.shtml

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Q U E S T I O N:

How will Obama unlight his birthday candles...
... The same way he promises to unring the immunization bell he promised not to ring?

SERIOUSLY people, Americans should be in the streets! This man is about to inherit the role of president, a role he ensured to possess the ability to authorize the warrantless wiretaps of any American and there is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G we can do to seek any Justice should our privacy is violated. He's insulated the president(not Bush, but ANY president, especially the next one, HIM) to be above the law!

~ Will he unring this bell through a signing statement of disobedience f the law ... like BUSH does?

~ Will he have a Congress capable of writing legislation to unring this bell he rang?

~ Will that Congress sabotage that legislation and force him to VETO said necessary legislation, proving to all Republicans that Obama isn't fighting for Constitutional Freedoms?

~ Will he VETO good legislation so as to preserve the bell he promised to not ring?

~ Will he wait for the Supreme Court of the U.S.A. to rule that the vote he cast as a Senator was an unconstitutional act against the Republic?

OR...

... Will Americans DEMAND that Bush be IMPEACHED for signing an EX POST FACTO bill into law so as to protect himself, personally?

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Fast food prices are out of control.

52 Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1
Are you stupid or something? Maybe you don’t read before you speak? You seem to have misconceptions about the FISA law just past, maybe3 this will clear it up for you.

Specifically, the Act:[3]

Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to keep the records for a period of 10 years).
Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists."
Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance.
Increased the time allowed for warrantless surveillance to continue from 48 hours to 7 days.
Requires FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.
Prohibits targeting a foreigner to eavesdrop on an American's calls or e-mails without court approval.
Allows the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.
Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.
Prohibits the government from invoking war powers or other authorities to supersede surveillance rules in the future

#56, Frank Lee...

Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
Complicit is meant as following orders?
PROHIBITS investigation, sanctioning, or requiring disclosure... = "What evidence that we, Verizon, wiretapped you, we are immune from disclosure."

Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to keep the records for a period of 10 years).
Permit = allows... the Government to NOT KEEP records of searches... "What evidence on file, we don't keep those kinds of records. Go tell that to Verizon."
PERMITS the destruction of existing records...
Q: How can the be permitted to destroy records they're allowed to not keep?
Q: How can they retain(read keep) any records for 10 years if they are allowed to not keep any records in the first place?

Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for “‘past or future cooperation’ with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists.”
THE BIG SCARY ONE HERE... protects for past crimes and ANY future crimes... THEN WHAT GOOD IS HAVING ANY LAWS IF PEOPLE CAN BE PROTECTED FROM THE CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING SAID LAWS?
Got EX POST FACTO laws... Article II, Sec. 9, Par. 3. (READ IT!) The president is to ensure laws are constitutionally sound. Like the MCA of 2006, this too was passed by the Congress and signed into law by the president, only later to be declared an UNCONSTITUTIONAL act against American's inalienable Rights.
"...and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists."
So, is the Intel community in the business of determining terrorist plans, or the disruption of plans?

Removes requirements for detailed descriptions of the nature of information or property targeted by the surveillance
Fourth Amendment: ... but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. But then again, without a warrant who's to say what the target is, the information, the place, the person?

Increased the time allowed for warrantless surveillance to continue from 48 hours to 7 days.
The Patriot Act I and II already did this... yet Bush FAILED to adhere to FISA anyway!

... and Obama signed it, begrudgingly...
... Were Senators Dodd and Feingold wrong to insist on clean and good legislation?

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Tequila @ 59:

Journalists are asking that we let go of the detained one.

having him captive maybe was a message to other journalists since they didn't have charges/cause

FISA is trivial.

They can do whatever they want, and you can't.

Got oversight?

NOT!

Seeing early reports that Evan Bayh is Obama VP pick. Hope this isn't true, but VP is more about media hype than anything else.

#62 Charles said:

FISA is trivial.

They can do whatever they want, and you can’t.

... And so America was birthed...
I mean, really Charles, wasn't this explicitly why our Founders put the Fourth Amendment into writing? Heck, you've succinctly defined 20-21st Century American Tyranny... an antithetical concept I know, but then again, we all used to think 1984 was 'just' a book...

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#67 Frank,
so first thing is the president can’t just wiretap any American he wants to without going through the courts...

So why did you point out that the president doesn't have to go through the courts for SEVEN days...?

Either he goes through them, or he doesn't have to unless he turns up some dirt? It's one or the other... BOTH can not exist together.

and I think Obama knew that when he voted for it for obvious reasons. Do you really think Obama is so stupid as to come out and be a left leaning liberal and think he could win the presidency. Get real!

WHAT OBVIOUS REASONS... no balls to stand up against unconstitutional measures that weaken the Republic's civil protections? What... Obama's not strong on National Security IF he stands up for individual securities? Oh, only leftist leaning Liberals fight to support and defend the Constitution...? And I suppose the patriotic thing to do then is to undermine individual Rights, Freedoms and Liberties as outlined IN the Constitution...!?

And lastly Frank,

Since you agree that this Law should be ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL, how is voting for an unconstitutional measure that acts against the Republic, the right thing to do?

How is this "principled"?
Were Dodd and Feingold wrong to attempt to stand up against it if Obama was o.k. voting for it?

At least McTorture had the whits enough to be ABSENT that day, this way there is no record of what he supported when it counted(read VOTES).

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Frank,
Your lesson is lost on even yourself...

Then why the warrants at all...?
The law is already clear that warrants are NOT required for FOREIGN surveillance... silly!
Then why did you stress to me your points in THIS post?
Loyalty never looks so grand. Defend the indefensible... because Bush does no wrong... and Obama set himself up for the very same privilege.

Again, how will Obama unring the bell he promised NOT to ring?
That was my original question, and here you are making the specious argument, "That depends on what the meaning of "is" is." "The key word here is FOREIGN."

WRONG!

The key words here are UNCONSTITUTIONAL... WARRANTLESS... IMMUNITY!

Why would Telecoms need immunity from prosecution to spy legally on foreign sources... silly?
COMPREHEND?

Since McCain can’t fund and advertise at Senator Obama’s level Joe Jealous Scarborough decided he was going to help him out.

Let’s see if Morning Jealousy will give Senator Obama the free advertising it gave Senator McCain…

As quoted by a Political Republican Strategist it what would have cost Senator McCain 40 Million Dollars to run these add that he got for free on the NBC network, and he is a republican who looked disgusted at the media’s unfair behavior? Contrary to Joe Jealous Scarborough and Pat Buchannan’s behavior not all Republican behave like bigots. Mike Murphy, Ed Rollins, Mel Martinez and Chuck Hagel are among the stand outs who actually do want this country to go in better directions. And there is no internal struggle between being a Republican or American, they have all chosen to be Americans first. Let all hope that the Pat Buchanan’s and Joe Jealous Scarborough’s is a dying Breed.

God Help us all and let’s hope Karma hits people like Joe Jealous Scarborough in a way of declining rating.

As I and many others have stated before, Morning Jealousy will be on an Olympic Scheduling Break and this will be the time for CNN Morning Show to get its act together and steal the viewership away from the irresponsible conservative race bait driven show.

Lastly Frank,
DOMESTIC = American in nature(read land or person).

I mean, If my flight originates from LAX(domestic) and flies to Hong Kong(foreign), at which point does this flight become a foreign flight? And did I then become a foreigner in the process?

So, if the Govt. is listening in on calls originating or received on US soil, it then becomes DOMESTIC! Which REQUIRES a warrant request in no less than seven days.

However, since the telecoms are immune from providing any disclosure as to who, when, where or why, who's to say that the FISA court will have full disclosure of who has been wiretapped, or not?

And since the Govt is permitted to destroy any evidence of said searches, what evidence will remain to provide to a FISA court? Can you guarantee that there will be evidence remaining to supply to the FISA court should they request it? Who's gonna make the Telecoms comply to that order? They're immune!

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They are only immune to civil suits not criminal ones. And with that I shall exit stage left!

What is a civil suit but a criminal charge by private(read person) individuals?

However, this Law does not preclude Telecoms from Federal law suits...
... but then again, the Federal Government designed this protection so as to force the Justice to be worked out from within... meaning the White House will not investigate itself.

"See, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

Oops, McSpoke on the civil suit issue...
Civil suits require reasonable doubt. The Telecoms no longer are required to provide ANY evidence, thus erasing any evidence of malice and doubt is removed. After all, they were acting in compliance of the president...

I've been trying to get people to call me Freddy Knuckles.

Daily Reading pt 2...

First it was Bush style Gestapo monitored town hall meetings, now....Rerouting McCain's Bus: Frustrations Lead Campaign To Limit Reporters' Access - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/03/AR200808...
"The popular image of the campaign -- McCain bantering with national journalists in the back of his bus -- has, in reality, all but vanished. The traveling press is now routinely stiffed in favor of five-minute sit-downs with local reporters. ... National correspondents traveling with the candidate did not get to ask McCain a question for four days, and grew angry when a media availability was scheduled for late afternoon Friday in Panama City, Fla. -- too late to do them much good and requiring extra flights for those who had planned to head home for the weekend."

Why He Fears the Fist: A Response to Jonah Goldberg - http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/zirin2/print

But New Hampshire, 'famous for its libertarian mojo, has shifted so hard toward the Democrats in recent years that no place may be more emblematic of a national political climate in which Republican incumbents like Senator John E. Sununu are battling to keep their jobs.'
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/us/politics/04sununu.html
YEP, we need a 60 SEAT MAJORITY, so we can stop the Republican 'do nothing is our plan' Senate Filibusters....80+ and counting

Republican Recession/Depression 'Great Economy' Update: Sadly not surprising: 'In June, the second biggest rise in prices in nearly three decades muted the impact of billions of dollars in government stimulus payments, government figures showed Monday.'
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy;_ylt=Ana2BN8qg3SA8Ao_gpmQyJSs0NUE

Obama's new TV ad: McCain in the pocket of Big Oil - http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_Pocket.html
Bush, McBush & Big Oil....THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE....a vote for McBush is a vote for $10 a gallon gas in 3 years, its that simple...

Bil Browning: Obama Will Name Bayh his VP Choice on Wednesday - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bil-browning/obama-will-name-bayh-his_b_11...

Political columnist/GOP Shill Robert Novak has announced his immediate retirement - http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/1089872,novak080408.article

Demands for the FBI to show what it's got on the supposed, and now deceased, anthrax suspect, are growing - http://blog.reidreport.com/2008/08/fbis-anthrax-problem.html

Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax; Some Say Ivins Could Not Have Been Attacker - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR200808...
Its not too late to turn this into Bush's watergate moment...

Report: Halliburton in Talks With DOJ to Settle Nigeria Bribery Probe, the Alleged Bribery Took Place Under Cheney's "Leadership" at Halliburton.
- http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/1-nationworld/233-halliburton-in-ta...
Hello Dubai....Cheney laughing all the way to the bank while idiotic right wingnuts buy into the 'supply side' BS and face a recession/depression in the U.S.

Latest Zogby National Poll: Obama and McCain Statistically Tied. Message to Obama: Define Your Opposition or be Defined by them.
- http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1535
“The McCain camp seems to have turned lemons into lemonade. Huge crowds and mostly favorable press reviews of Obama’s overseas trip have been trumped by McCain’s attacks on Obama. Loss of support for Obama among young voters may also be due to his perceived reversals on issues they care about, such as the war and government eavesdropping.”
Shifting to the 'center'...err right....always has its consequences...if its a choice between Republican & Republican Lite....there is no difference....CHANGE is STAYING THE COURSE on CHANGE
DLC consultants....don't piss another election away...for the love of GOD....this country will be destroyed by another 4 years of Republican rule...