Ron Suskind: White House ordered forgery to link al-Qaeda/Saddam to 9/11 attacks
By John Amato Monday Aug 04, 2008 11:00am
Ron Suskind has a new book coming out called: "The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism"
It has some explosive information about the White House's plan to forge documents to persuade the American public that we should attack Iraq. This is incredible stuff. Suskind appeared on the TODAY show and gave his first interview about it...He says it's "one of the great lies in modern political history."
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George "Slam dunk" Tenet denied the report, but there's this Sunday Telegraph article that describes what happened. Worse than Watergate.
I've used notes from CBS's Dan Raviv to highlight the action:
His new book THE WAY OF THE WORLD is about the war on terrorism and the Bush Administration since 9/11 and especially since invading Iraq in March '03. (You can easily Google details of the alleged letter from "Habbush" to Saddam Hussein dated July 1, 2001, which says (future) 9/11 hijacker was trained in Baghdad, AND that Iraq received shipments from Niger.) [..]
The book reports (or charges) that the Bush White House faked a letter from Saddam Hussein's intelligence chief to President Saddam in late 2003, backdating it to July 2001 and reports that Saddam's intelligence chief (Habbush) was in the protective custody of the C.I.A. at the time-- even while the U.S. military had him in the "deck of cards," a list of Saddam officials wanted dead-or-alive. The White House ordered the C.I.A. to arrange for Habbush to write the fake letter in his own handwriting. The controversial letter did find itself to the world media in December '03.
Habbush was in the deck of cards -- the (approx. 50) Saddam officials wanted dead-or-alive by the U.S. after the March 2003 invasion -- while in reality he was in C.I.A. protection. And in October 2003, Habbush was paid $5 million by the C.I.A. AFTER the C.I.A. asked Habbush to write -- in his own handwriting and in a convincing way -- the note that the White House suggested.
Britain's Sunday Telegraph in December '03 caused a sensation by reporting the discovery in Baghdad of that letter... and a few days later NEWSWEEK reported strong doubts that the letter was genuine. Among other things, experts wondered, why would Saddam's intel chief write about both Atta & nuclear material in the same letter?
Exact quotes from pp. 369-372 of Suskind's book are in bold print below:
In the months before the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq, British intelligence had secret meetings in Amman, Jordan, with Habbush, chief of Saddam's intelligence network. Habbush demanded a safe way out, if-and-when the U.S. invaded. Habbush repeatedly told the British that Saddam had no WMD; all programs had ended in the 1990's; and the book says the Bush White House didn't want to hear it - and didn't want to hear more reports on what Habbush was saying.
The U.S. invaded in March '03. Habbush was ready. He slipped out of Baghdad with the help of U.S. intelligence and into Amman...
In October '03, CIA paid Habbush $5 million as part of his resettlement. By then, the White House had finally thought of a way to use Habbush. ... The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001. It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq -- thus showing, finally that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda... The letter also mentioned suspicious shipments to Iraq from Niger set up with al Qaeda's assistance. The idea was to take the letter to Habbush and have him transcribe it in his own neat handwriting on a piece of Iraqi government stationery, to make it look legitimate. CIA would then take the finished product to Baghdad and have someone release it to the media.
Even five years later, (Rob Richer, who worked in CIA for 30 years and was in charge of "clandestine ops" in the Middle East--now working as an executive at Blackwater USA and in line to be CEO of Blackwater according to this book) remembers looking down at the creamy White House stationery on which the assignment was written. "The guys from the Vice President's office were just barraging us in this period with one thing after another: Run down this lead, find out about that. It was nonstop. Of course, this was different. This was creating a deception." Richer passed the directive down the chain, to the Iraq Operations Group. ((IOG was a CIA team co-led by John Maguire, clearly also a source for Suskind))
..."When it was discussed with me, I just thought it was incredible," Maguire recalls. "A box-checking of all outstanding issues in one letter, from one guy."
...Suskind is NOT able to report exactly how it was done, whether Habbush himself definitely did it, but reports what you can find through Google searches: The Sunday Telegraph reported the letter; it caused a sensation. Suskind does report that Richer remembers George Tenet passing to him the White House's orders to concoct that letter. Suskind asserts that it's an apparently illegal act, to forge or concoct that fake letter to Saddam.:
Under a 1991 amendment to the statutes that in 1947 created CIA and that govern its actions, there is a passage that reads, "No covert action may be conducted which is intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media." The operation created by the White House and passed to the CIA seems inconsistent with those statutory requirements. ...It is not the sort of offense that brings jail time. It is much broader than that... the sort of thing generally taken up in impeachment proceedings."
An excellent job by Dan Raviv. All this makes you wonder how the outing of Valerie Plame must have really pissed off the CIA, doesn't it? This is just an observation, but if they wanted to plant the evidence, it normally would have been done a little better than this. Remember the Italian reporter that refused to print the Niger yellowcake connection to Iraq because she thought it was a forgery?
The Guardian is reporting that Italian intelligence warned the United States about bogus information on Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions at about the time President Bush cited them as a crucial reason for invading Iraq, an Italian parliamentarian said yesterday.
Oh, and I almost forgot this C&L post for more context: The Italian Letter:
I just cracked it open, but Jonathan Schwarz has been reading it and finds:
"Goodman thanked Foley for addressing the students and asked him what weapons of mass destruction he believed would be found after the invasion. "Not much, if anything," Goodman recalled that Foley responded. Foley declined to be interviewed for this book"
So why, then, would WINPAC report that Iraq had WMD? Here's the answer (p. 119):
One day in December 2002, Foley called his senior production managers to his office. He had a clear message for the men and women who controlled the output of the center's analysts: "If the president wants to go to war, our job is to find the intelligence to allow him to do so." The directive was not quite an order to cook the books, but it was a strong suggestion that cherry-picking and slanting not only would be tolerated, but might even be rewarded…read on
Impeachment anybody?
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Pelosi is a robot shill... nothing will change anything..
(except a Radical Re-Patriation of DC, emphasis on radical)
What's the diff? No one reads books anymore...
Impeachment is off the table because....why?..... He didn't get a BJ? But we all got hosed!
This administration has seen more bombshells than has Iraq.
Impeach? Not while 'No No Nancy' is around. She's working hard to keep dumbya and friends 'off the table'. What's a little treason among friends, right nance?
Unbelievable. What can we do.
Using Nancy Pelosi's (il)logic, this isn't a proven crime of Bushco, so there can be no impeachment proceedings.
This is boring.
Let's talk about john Mcsame's Paris Hilton ad instead!
So many books, from so many former Bush administration people. Yet the American public yawns and demands $1.00 gallon gas. I don't know who is more to blame, us, WE THE PEOPLE, or these Bush criminals.
This is probably too complicated for the average 'Murkin to comprehend ... too bad the people paid very, very well to represent them have no intention to acting on it.
Chico Hussein @ 8:
Agreed. If it takes more than 10 seconds to read or comprehend, I can't follow it.
Shouldn't we be talking about how Obama is a Muslim instead?
Impeach the bastards!!!
OK, I know, it's off the table.
Burn the !@#$ing table!
Ahhhhh... Another day, another illegal act by the administration that will not be investigated or acted upon by anyone in congress. Think I'll have another cup of coffee and see if there is any thing of interest going on in the market... yawn!
That poor woman, God bless her she is so out of touch with the voting public and such a failure. Sound like some thing you've heard come out of her pie hole?
PNAC: One of the core missions outlined in the 2000 report Rebuilding America’s Defenses is “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars.”[25]
The report also states:
“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”
REOPEN 911 investigations.
I have said it before and I will say it again: Any speaker who removes impeachment from the table should themselves be impeached. The Speaker has a duty and has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Failing to act in the face of evidence of an impeachable offense is an abrogation of that duty, a violation of that oath, and is grounds for their removal from office, be it a D or an R.
Really, would impeachment be the answer? He has only a few months left, and impeachment hearings would probably last longer than most of that. How long did Clinton's hearings last? And that was over a simple lie. So with all the charges Bush could be convicted of, it would probably take a lot longer. So why not prepare to charge him after his presidency with all types of crimes and treasonous acts? Every town in America should put him on their most wanted list and arrest him immediately if he steps foot in their town.
If all it takes is a blowjob to impeach these bastards, then I'll volunteer to do it! And I'm straight! If all it would take is a shot in the mouth, I'd take one for the country!
There will be some meaningless hearing with this author, then they will try to interview all of his sources, by then impeachment will not be a viable option. Nancy needs to take her job seriously by immediately convening congress and beginning impeachment hearings!
Zilam @ 17:
With the prospect of blanket immunity, impeachment is the only real handle the American People have to gain justice for the 8 years of criminal activity perpetrated by George Bush & Co.
I know this is the same old same old but how long will it be before FOX and the Republicans will start to attack the writer of the book and discredit him.
So many capital crimes; so few officals willing to do a damn thing about them.
Pahahahahahahahahhahahahahaaha-How could anyone believe Saddam would have something to do with 9/11? He'd gained nothing from, and would have lost everything. Bush's Administration itself finally admitted he had nothing to do with it last year. Even stupider....people are acting like this is news. Bush quite blatantly was faking that evidence.
Beelzebud @ 18:
Dick Cheney might misunderstand and you'll wind up dead.
ron suskind is one of the few shining lights in the world of investigative journalism. 'the one percent doctrine' was a revelation, this book sounds like suskind has not lost his edge
one book please!
and I like the headline on the screen - "Did the White House mislead America to War?"
Is that really still a question?
As soon as Nancy was assured of her new job she immediately stated, "impeachment is off the table." Why? She never gave a reason, at least I never heard it. Why was she so quick to declare impeachment off the table and apparently never to see the light of day? Not while Nancy is watching the table. Did I miss her telling us what her reasons (or motives) were? What a disappointment she has been. Sorry Nancy, you will never be anything but a lousy speaker of the house to me.
Who would have thought the WH would have forged documents to support a lie!
John Conyers better start sending some strongly worded letters to the White House.
raincntry @ 16:
Thats what Kucinich has been saying all along ...
Whats the point of going through it?
Impeachment proceedings would have a huge symbolic significance ...
After all whats the point of putting murderers on trial? ... they may just get off ...
This story is amazing but not surprising. Was this part of the "sexing up" the story for a cause to go to war? A story like this should anger every living American. The lives and money that have been wasted by this administration is a true sin and yes, a crime. Even if bush skates out of the white house scot-free, he can still be charged with criminal acts. There is no reason he shouldn't be.
I'll definitely read this book. I read his last one, "The One Percent Doctrine" and it was so enlightening, especially toward cheney.
Are there any amongst us on Crooks And Liars who don't know this to be so. We have all been saying this for years.
The fact that we are here on a blog called "Crooks and Lairs" should show that as an unspoken truth.
America wont heal until these Lies are exposed and some kind of accountability is done.
Pawn @ 19:
Problem is, Congress will be in session for only about 6 or 7 (non contiguous) days between now and their Christmas recess.
Pawn @ 20:
Right on! If you think people want to just let Bush and Co finish out this term because they don't want the nastiness of impeachment, you can be sure that once they leave, people will say "no" to any further investigations; "let's move on" and such.
Impeachment is not an option in the face of such evidence; it is an obligation. The sad fact in all of this is that the public would absolutely report it. That Meredith Veiera (sp) is reporting this the next two nights is fine; for something to happen, it would require ALL of the major media outlets to not only pick this up (they won't), but to make it story number one for a week. Alas, no.
Nothing on cnn.com about this ... are you sure it even happened?
Cause heres one of todays top stories:
"Missing tot's mom at 'hot body' contest"
If nothin is done against these criminals "running" the WH...then we're all complicit.
Any other country, hundreds of thousands of angry citizens would be on the doorsteps of the capitol building.
We are a pathetic, lazy nation if we let this go unchallenged.
Time for torches and pitchforks.
As soon as Nancy was assured of her new job she immediately stated, “impeachment is off the table.” Why?
Simple. She (and a number of other high ranking Dems) were privy to what the Bush administration was doing, hence their own complicity.
If there's any evidence to this charge impeachment SHOULD begin immediately.
Imagine my surprise when it won't.
With the number of criminals in the Bush Administration...the cards would have to be dealt from the boot.
Oh, and please don't ridicule appearances like this on morning TV. Maybe the information is not a surprise to most of us in here, but it is a cold slap in the face to the aged, the shut-ins and trailer park residents living off their gubmint checks who blindly follow this Administration.
Chico Hussein @ 32:
There are provisions to keep Congress in session.
Additionally, I would suspect that if a president is under impeachment proceedings any pardoning power would cease, particularly if it relates to the grounds for the impeachment.
liberAL @ 27:
Pelosi pulled impeachment off the table so that she would appear to be moderate, and to take that talking point away from the right-wingers. Plain old politics, the same kind Obama's been playing since he got the nomination.
I've been out of town, so I don't know where she stood on having Rove's contempt hearings go forward, but if she halts/halted that process, I'd have to say she's in the bag for somebody. Or being threatened.
Makes you wonder about all those OBL videos that only show up at politically charged moments. The last time we heard from ole OBL was right before the 2006 congressional elections, right? I wonder if he will make an appearance praising Obama in September?
If they fake letters, why would they not fake videos?
earl @ 34:
My Quizno's sub was not toasted enough !!!
(dials 9-11)
theWalrus @ 36:
It has taken me quite some time to reach this point, but I must agree. Nancy Pelosi has been an UTTER disaster as Speaker of the House. Harry Reid is hardly any better.
After the election...both Houses of Congress will require NEW Democratic leadership. I believe the next Senate Majority Leader will be Hillary Clinton, and frankly...I am all for it. It will be fun watching her slap around her old nemeses. As far as the House is concerned...there are a number of Democrats that would far more effective than Nancy Pelosi.
why is she still speaker of the house? isn't there a mechanism to remove HER? if that is what it takes DO IT! get this worthless fucking bitch out of my congress! she represents perhaps the most liberal constituency in the nation and she wont listen to her people when they tell her to impeach this asshole. can't they do a recall election on her?
This unique strain of lie could only have come from Cheney's office.
Lets impeach Nancy Pelosi if we impeach Dick and George Nancy takes over omg wtf bbq angry smiley face
SHOCKING!!!!
Chico Hussein @ 42:
There was also a 911 call from a lady at a drive through in which they screwed up her hamburger order. I heard the replay of the tape on the radio this morning...here's some laugable excerps.
"Ma'am, I am not sending out the Sheriff's deputies because of a hamburger."
"Aren't you hear to protect me?"
"Ma'am...was it a dangerous hamburger...What would you like us to do...Go in and get your money back."
"I have been sitting here and they are walking around washing the floors."
"Ma'am, you need to act like an adult."
"I am acting like an adult...THEY are not acting like adults. I asked for a Buffalo grill burger, and that's not what I got."
"Ma'am, if you are asking me what to do....go into the restaurant, get your money back and go home."
And we wonder why the country is in the state that it's in.
Well gee-whiz! If somebody knew about a crime these guys committed, we'd look into it-- I mean, golly!
/plugs ears
ysbaddaden @ 39:
So, if Reagan had been impeached for illegally selling weapons to terrorists, creating AlQueda and founding The Taliban, then Bush Sr. would NOT have been able to pardon the entire Iran Contra Klan ?
Shocked? No.
Appalled? Always.
navyswan @ 41:
Ahh, they have.
Liberal AND Proud @ 48:
I don't.
I would bet that the median IQ of the US is a negative number.
moniker @ 45:
Or Wolfowitz or Rove or Armitage or . . . . .
Think about all of those who were around at that time.
ronnyg @ 40:
Funny how what passes for "moderate" in this country would mean "conservative" in every other industrialized nation.
I fail to see what is moderate about letting crimes and treason go unchallenged.
LOOK! Over there! A terrorist!!! and he's holding...a...a...TIRE GAUGE!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.
James Lewman @ 46:
I leave voicemails for my representative and Nancy everyday to impeach Bush and Co. I ask Keith Ellison at least weekly to begin impeachment vs Nancy Pelosi.
Liberal AND Proud @ 48:
But that would have involved hoisting her huge butt out of the SUV and actually walking in.... not gonna happen.
gawd @ 9:
It's the MS media,plain and simple. This is what their job IS, not protecting Mr.McGoo's gaffe-a-minute campaign.
Liberal AND Proud @ 48:
I don't wonder AT ALL!
earl @ 58:
You just can't get a good drive by shooting when you really need one.
As much as I would have liked to see Pelosi bring impeachment charges against bush, I doubt if it would have ever made it through the senate. How many repub senators do you think would vote to impeach bush no matter how bad a crime he committed?
Liberal AND Proud @ 61:
Not to get off topic, but this story reminds me of the woman who reported a fingertip in her Wendy's chili, only to find out later that she did it herself. Same mentality. A nation of victims and opportunists awaiting their entitlements.
If they do not impeach over this we are screwed. This information warrants an investigation.
pissed off patricia @ 62:
Yeah, especially with no stained dress or porn novel masquerading as investigation evidence to pleasure themselves to.
Any bets that after Bush leaves office im January 2009,the Democrats will just go along the flow,cause there is alot of important work to be done and past deeds are waste of time.
Check this out--if you think CIA is bad
"They had even intensively questioned his adopted children, Andrew and Amanda, now both 24, with the authorities telling his son that he might be able to collect the $2.5 million reward for solving the case and buy a sports car, and showing his daughter gruesome photographs of victims of the anthrax letters and telling her, “Your father did this,” according to the account Dr. Ivins gave a close friend.
As the investigation wore on, some colleagues thought the F.B.I.’s methods were increasingly coercive, as the agency tried to turn Army scientists against one another and reinterviewed family members.
One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Dr. Ivins’s daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks."
CIA George Tenant got the medal of Horror--FBI director Mueller will get-medal of Farce :^)
liberalTireGaugeOfJusticeNmoderation @ 35:
Exactly right on.
Contact Nancy Pelosi at:
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/contact.html
OR
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
Is there anyone here that doesn't think the GWOT has been total bullshit from day one? Day one, meaning the late seventies when we weren't able to demonize the Russians any longer and needed a new boogie man. The media and our illustrious government started demonizing middle eastern people at a quickening pace, ramping up the fear through propaganda, TV and movies. They kind of took the 'Boris Badanov and Natasha' thing to a whole new level. The American moron eats it up every time.
Is there any way a national petition to impeach Nancy Pelosi can be organized? The only way Cheney and Bush are going to be brought to justice is if she is removed from office. She belongs in prison at this point, for obstructing justice.
On the other hand, since she is criminally using her office to abet high crimes and treason and is as good as an accessory after the fact, maybe a petition drive to states attorneys general to exercise their right to demand an impeachment might be a better way to go.
This cannot continue, and these war criminals cannot be allowed to walk.
Another indicator of how Bush Company wanted this war really really really really badly.
Suskind is really good. The Price of Loyalty is a must read and convinced beyond a doubt that bush is a sock puppet of larger forces (eg. Diiiiickhead Cheney!).
navyswan @ 41:
You're just figuring this out now?
Ho hum...so what else is new. Maybe Pelosi and Reed will send a letter to the White House. No wonder the Congressional approval rating is even lower than Bush's...no backbone! There's so much more important news to be covered; Obama's tire inflation, missing toddlers in Florida, car chases, etc.
50 Chico Hussein
The succeeding one can pardon, because he's not under impeachment, nor under investigation.
its_me_ya_krazy @ 15:
Totally agreed. It's time to get focused and not back down.
earl @ 34:
Well, that is a good story. But the forgery story should have been third behind "Obama's Hair Suddenly Looking Gray."
Faked a letter...
well, no blowjob, no impeachment....
makes sense
Pelosi Winehouse: "They say they want me to impeach the Pres, I say, 'No, no, no.'"
pissed off patricia @ 62:
Effectively, all of them.....once they saw the the tide of public opinion overwhelmingly turning against these crooks. They could also recall that when Nixon was facing impeachment, those Republicans who obstructed the process lost their seats, pretty much to a person.
Isaac @ 64:
They won't, we are, it does.
Dick Cheyney says, "SO!"
pissed off patricia @ 62:
I am sure that if the founding fathers had had that winning attitude they would have said "fuck it, wel'll never get through all those red coats... let's go bowling."
navyswan @ 41:
I've always highly suspected-and said so, that Bin Laden was either dead or a guest in Cheney's "un-disclosed location".
It must not be a problem for the people who keep funding this behaviour. They must want it, otherwise they would have turned their backs on it a long time ago.
Oh no! Bush lied! Pelosi and Reid's response will be an offer to felate W.
Paul @ 79:
Yeah, but that would require the Dems to actually do their jobs. And we all know that "electioneering" is hard!
Impeachment it is a complex and labor intensive task. That is why the fucking dems won't put it on the table. Forget about the fact that some on them may be found to be complicit in the high crimes, it is also a lot of work!
Most of these worthless politicians see their job as being mostly just getting elected, not to actually do what they are supposed to do: represent the people.
There is a reason why they can't hold real jobs, these politicians. All they could do is prepare for job interviews, not perform the actual job... and thus they are mostly worthless to society. Luckily they have elected offices to subsidize their shortcomings.
this would be considered bad by a nation that was ruled by laws and not men.
"Hey man, he said he didn't know! Let it go, I believe him, he's innocent!"
Left&Left @ 67:
We are a complacent country. The people of this country have known no real hardship. Even during the Great Depression...riots were limited.
The people of Europe have the memories passed on generation to generation, even over time that spans centuries. They have had cities destroyed, building blown out from under them, whole faimilies eliminated. Those events give a people perspective. We have none. One war fought on our lands as the American nation, and that war was fought amongst ourselves. And outside of Atlanta being burned down, by their own army mind you, there were no major cities destoyed. The battles were fought in the open country, far from the major populations.
We are children, in many ways. Spoiled children that think we have it all coming to us, but unwilling to lift a finger to get it. Our forefathers would be ashamed. Our Constitution gives the people the RIGHT to overthrow their government, should it no longer serve their interest. Nay, it is the responsibility of the people, to overthrow that government. THAT is why the elitists are looking for any excuse to undercut the Constitution. It is unlike ANY other document on the planet. It really is the ONLY document that speaks fully to the rights of the PEOPLE.
Shame on us.
Ho hum. So there is more indications that this Administration has blood on it's hands. The bigger shock is that nothing will come of it, and we expect nothing to come of it, other than a dog and pony show hearing, followed by business as usual. The only hope is to get these lying sacks of shit out ASAP, and then go after each and every one of them and ruin their retirement years and legacy with a nonstop legal assault.
Americans have forgotten that the government is supposed to work for THEM.
Remember CIVICS class?
How quaint.
Look, there's no reason for many of those currently "serving" in the administration or Congress to really do anything to bring Cheney/Bush et al to justice because they are all complicit!!
If I, a regular, unemployed citizen, can find and peruse volumes of information in books, on the Internet and elsewhere, and figure out years ago that all of what has transpired during this administration has been a LIE - then for sure, members of Congress have known. The problem is - they don't care! As long as they get to keep their cushy jobs, and all of the perks provided by the taxpayers and the corporate fascists who support them - why would they??
In addition, the fact that their complicity could put them in legal jeopardy themselves, subject to indictment and maybe imprisonment (or should, if we still had a Republic operating under the rule of law) keeps some from stepping up to the truth.
I'm not sure how we get ourselves out of this - but I do know a couple things each of us can do (if not alreay doing so): a) write, email, phone your represntatives in Congress about every issue as often as possible - if nothing else, it will annoy them;
and, b) be sure you share whatever you learn all of this information with as many other citizens as possible - your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, whoever. I've been doing that for several years, and some of them are finally beginning to see that what I've told them is true.
It's important to reach a "critical mass" of informed, angry citizens who finally understand how they've been abused. Even people who voted for Bush (may the sky genie have mercy on ther souls) can be converted.....
You can take Geroge Tenet and his presidential medal that was given to him to shut him up while while falling on his sword and place him and the medal in the nearest wood chipper available. The same for Bush and Cheney. The again, way waste the fuel for the chipper? A firing squad would be a lot more eco friendly.
reading back thru the comments i couldn't help but remember the posts after the downing street memo came out... the calls for impeachment, the outrage, the feeling that it was a game-changer, etc.
nothing changed then either.
and, as we know, change won't come from the top, it has to be a grassroots effort, but the ruling class has effectively set-up a near perfect change-proof system.
earl @ 34:
well just how the hell are we supposed to function without important news like this, Mr. Smarty Pants!!??
there was a growing pressure by the international community to lift sanctions on iraq. that is one of the main reasons bush moved so fast to attack iraq.if those sanctions were lifted many companies and people would have been in iraq.....you couldn't attack iraq then. the oil people have eye balled iraq for years more so after saddam nationalized the oil and was getting off the u.s. dollar for crude purchase/trade. israel knew saddam wasn't a threat. israel's intelligence operation(s) are the best in the world. they didn't want shia becoming empowered with trade and commerce. israel's biggest enemy is oil.
Liberal AND Proud @ 89:
Shame on us indeed!
We MUST revolt in order to save this nation and ourselves from extinction.
It appears all other options have been taken away from us.
"Speaker Pelosi, if the charges in Suskind's book are true, would that constitute an impeachable offense in your eyes?"
"Well, we have important work to do here in Congress. We have to make sure wages are equitable. We have to deal with this offshore drilling business. Now, if someone could show me where the president committed a crime, that might be different. But for the time being, we're concentrating on matters that affect the American people. I'm saving the planet, in fact...by bringing people together in Washington."
Maybe people should start thinking about massing in Ft. Worth area (I heard the bush spawn was moving there from crawford) in February for a mass citizens arrest of the Chimperator for war crimes.
The Democrats once again seem to be hopelessly inadequate of showing any leadership...what else is new. So, rather than contributing to their impotent hand-wringing, save your money to help bail out the February arrestees.
OT: I know this is not on topic, but can anyone update me/us as to what the current
status is as to the ACLU filing a suit in the Federal Court wherein that organization
is attempting to have the "new" FISA law challenged and declared unconsitutional?
The day bush signed the new FISA law(July 10th), the ACLU filed it's suit, but I have
not heard a single utterance/word as to the current status. Thanks.
At this point I'm ready to believe that George W Bush is in fact Usama Bin Laden. I mean everytime there is a new revelation about this administration it is exponentially worse than the previous one.
The truth is, is that regardless of who writes what, it doesn't matter. The Democrats have lost their balls and we the people are more concerned about what Brad and Angelina's babies look like. As long as you wear a flag pin or have a "God Bless America" bumper sticker on your car, your patriotism is never questioned.
No one cares that we were lied into war. No one cares that our men and women don't have the protection they need in battle. No one cares that when our soldiers return home, they don't get receive the medical attention or the government help they need AND deserve. No one cares about the state of our economy. None of these things are impeachment worthy. A blowjob on the other hand...
NOTHING will change until we the people stand up and demand it. And on we go...
Timmyv @ 69:
Good point. Iran is next.
For a fair portrayal of Iranian life read the graphic novels or watch the DVD (Persepolis) by Marjane Satrapi.
LockeNessMonster @ 76:
No I saw that one too, but since it had the requisite apropos of nothing, Obama content it may have actually seemed relevant.
liberalTireGaugeOfJusticeNmoderation @ 97:
I don't feel shame, and am more in agreement with Moe Sezlak's sentiment. "I've done some stuff I'm not so proud of, and what I am proud of is disgusting."
blu-n-red utah @ 95:
Well if the Mom is a blond cheerleader who suddenly goes missing after the contest, we have a story with legs ...
its_me_ya_krazy @ 15:
OMG! An informed and educated American! Call the papparazzi!
Reopen the 911 Commission with non politicians in charge and international oversight!
American Native @ 107:
I am down with that.
Funny how the PNAC site has been suspended...at least it still was last week...
Liberal AND Proud @ 91:
I thought the Geneva Convention's provisions on torture were quaint.
Andrew @ 93:
I don't think the EPA allows you to bury pure evil in the ground. It leeches into the drinking water and turns into Republican Kool-Aid.
doggiebobo @ 100:
From http://www.aclu.org/legislative/index.html
"Unconstitutional FISA Bill Becomes Law
On July 10, President Bush signed into law the unconstitutional FISA Amendments Act, which gives the Bush administration virtually unchecked powers to monitor Americans' international phone calls and emails, and grants immunity to telecommunications companies that illegally aided in the president’s warrantless wiretapping program.
While we may have lost this round, the fight is far from over. The ACLU has filed a lawsuit on behalf of a broad coalition of plaintiffs challenging the constitutionality of the law. In addition, Democratic leaders have promised to revisit the issues surrounding the FISA Amendments Act during the 2009 debate over reauthorization of USA Patriot Act provisions. The ACLU will be at the forefront of this debate."
CMINCA @ 111:
I guess I can't call GW Bush a jackass during my phone conversations anymore.
Oh well. Guess I'll have to do it here.
GW Bush is a jackass.
CMINCA @ 111:
Thanks, I had already seen this particular article on ACLU's website, as it appeared
on July 10th, almost a month ago, so I was curious as to IF anything further w/respect
to their lawsuit had occurred. Apparently not. With reference to something "trying to
be done during upcoming 2009 Session"...NOT very likely since the new FISA law had
a Sunset Provision that, in essence, states that not until 4 1/2 years has passed, can
Congress once again(in July 2012) "take a look at the law to see if changes are needed."
Consequently, I see little likelihood of anything being done until then, UNLESS the ACLU's
lawsuit is somehow successful.
No surprises here. This White House is one huge fraud on the american people. Why should anyone be surprised that they engage in what they do best?
What gets me about this particular interview (and most interviews conducted by the "left wing, liberal media"-LOL) is how combative Viera is towards the author. They do the same thing every time anyone speaks out against the frat-boy prince and his crew.
Left wing liberal media my ass.
Viera, you and your co-workers are nothing but shills for the Bush administration. You don't have one ounce of intellectual or journalistic integrity.
More and more information continues to expose these criminals. The prosecution of George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condi Rice for murder getting closer everyday until the administration is no longer in office.
Ha ha ha ha. More lies from the White House? So what else is new?
Some of the biggest whoppers haven't been revealed yet! Wait till the people here about THOSE!
Impeach Bush.
Impeach Cheney.
Impeach Pelosi..
Impeach Reid.
Impeach Conyers.
Impeach Hoyer.
Impeach... (...and the list goes on...)
Honestly, at this point, it's hard to get angry over revelations like these. You get angry OVER and OVER again until you realize that nothing is going to get done.
There's a two party system running for elections, but a one party system for those at the very top - the corporate owned, self-preserving, elite party. Bush, Pelosi - two sides of the same coin.
Hopefully somebody, either here or internationally, has the courage to give Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrahms, Yoo, Addington, Feith, and all the other neo-clowns the Karadzic treatment...
Meredith Vieira really trying hard to make Suskind look bad. Corporate media is in the tank for the GOP & war industry.
Yoo can and should be stripped of his US citizenship and deported to Korea. He was not born on the soil. He's a naturalized immigrant.
Liberal AND Proud @ 89:
People in this country have known hardship...blacks and Indians. Don't neglect their endurance and what they've come through.
General_Rennenkampf @ 123:
Puleeeze. You know exactly what I mean.
And yes, I remember allll that Republicans have done for blacks and Indians and other minorities. And PULEEEASE...don't bring up Lincoln. The Republican Party that Lincoln belonged to is not the Republican Party of today.
The ball is in your court, Mdme. Speaker. How soon to you plan to launch in investigation into criminal wrongdoing?
All ofthese BushCo robots should immediatley be arrested,put on trial, and hung!
navyswan @ 41:
We're going to hold you in a secret Afghani prison, Mr. bin Laden, where you can spend your days reading and studying the Koran. All you have to do is make an occasional videotape for us. As long as you cooperate, we'll make sure that your family receives lucrative reconstruction contracts in Iraq. Do we have a deal?
George and Dick were counting on an apathetic ignorant populace. They betted wisely.
I've said it numerous times but I don't mind repeating it: If those right-wing assholes aren't held accountable for their crimes, then America deserves its grand fall.
Charles @ 127:
Or perhaps:
CIA Officer: You won't believe this, Mr. Cheney, but we found a street juggler in Venice, Italy, who looks exactly like Osama bin Laden! All we have to do is fund a small endowment at his clown college and he'll do whatever we ask of him!
Mr. Cheney: [spooges his pants]
Merrideth, quellle wanquese. Thanks for standing up for George Tenet's credibility.
What's more damaging than 911?
Nothing surprises me after that.
They need to give the Karadzic treatment to Jordan's British king as well.
.....CIA Officer: You won’t believe this, Mr. Cheney, but we found a street juggler in Venice, Italy, who looks exactly like Osama bin Laden!.....
I think I've seen that guy too -- at Fiumicino Airport in Rome. He rides the escalator while balancing a wine bottle on his head.
blah,blah,blah..........
Keep typing guys.
These guys know you're never gunna get up off your fat arses and do anything about it!
The world burns, and you type.
Grow up America!
We're waiting for our new leaders to handle it. Gee, maybe we're all Palestinians.
NONE OF THIS MATTERS
The only thing that can get a President in trouble are BLOW JOBS.
Zilam @ 17:
Actually you can still impeach someone after they leave office and there are some pretty good reasons to do so... its called the Belknap Precedent and it was done during the civil war with Secretary of War William Belknap.
Belknap was involved with a kick back scheme involving "military contracts"... (no shortage of these in this administration.) Seems congress brought him back after he had resigned to avoid impeachment and their rational was:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
As John Dean points out, with a simple up and down vote of the House you can prevent them from ever holding public office in any future administrations... you would end their careers in public life forever.
So Cheney or Gonzales or Yoo... any of them would be forbidden by law from ever serving another administration.
McCain has already said that Cheney would not be acceptable as a Vice President, but he would consider him for a Cabinet level position... that is a really good incentive for using this option on all of the Bushiveks.
Of course back in the civil war days we still had a democratic republic so the argument is moot I guess.
BUSH + McCAIN = MORE LIES
So the bush-whore house ordered them to commit a felony crime? Tampering with evidence of a felony crime is a felony, presenting evidence you know to be false in a felony crime is a felony. We need to investigate every one who has served in congress the last 8 years, everyone! Any of them who have broken our law on any level need to be arrested and hauled off to jail, just like they are so fond of doing to citizens over the most ridiculous crimes they can think of. We need to clean house of everyone sitting in congress, except for a very small handful that have proven themselves, Proven, not thought about it,not talked about it! Even if we lost the handful, everyone must go, other-wise we end up with the same, bribe taking, greedy, war-mongering,self-serving criminal scum that we have had in office since that goddamn reagan was elected. In 35 years this country has become a giant shit sandwich, and I ,for one have just had it with the taste. consider just the things that have come to light this week and then explain just how the 911 truthers are nuts. How is their any doubt that 911 was not a false flag op? Cold, hard and vetted evidence is all over the place. I've said before that one good thing about wearing a tin-foil hat is that it makes it real hard to shove your head up your ass!-CEO
Maybe Pelosi has a boyfriend and she's not thinking straight.
Time for a review of the licensing of the media If a net work or newspaper omits to run a story of national significance they need to be charged with lying to the public. Omission is a lie. This idea needs to be finessed, of course, but we can no longer afford the news to be bought for political purpose.
For the sake of our country, is there no out there other than Karl Rove that will give Bush a blow job? Please???!!!!
More treason.
And the Dems are complicit now.
WE need to do something- they certainly won't.
If Bush says Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Suskind is lying, then I have to believe Bush. Because Bush wouldn't lie to us. Bush is very smart and wise president - just look at how much better off we are today than we were 8 years ago when we had that crazy liberal president, Clinton. Gas now is cheaper, the deficit is more manageable, jobs are up, the world reveres America, the Constitution is as strong as it ever has been, the polar ice caps are growing, we've had no Nuremberg trials, no UFOs have attacked us, jay-walking is down, crime is down, the GNP is WAY up, etc.
It makes me sick that NBC seemed to spend their resources trying to find evidence to discredit the book, rather than the information which would support it. Not one of Suskind's sources appear on the show, to support his charges. But we do get to hear from Condi and the comments from Tenet, one of the key individuals in the deception. What would anyone expect him to say? "Rats, you got me cold, I might as well confess." Maybe they thought such trusted individuals would never try to deceive the American people. I think I will go see what McClatchy has to say about this.
Capt. Bat Hussein Guano @ 14:
The only interviews Meridith Viera should be allowed to conduct are those on game shows.
This shill should have no place in reporting the news.
Now I know it's true. The CIA and the White House are denying this. Hahahahaha! Lying bastards.
White House denies fake Iraq-al-Qaida link letter
And the picture in the article is the CIA logo. Let's see here...an eagle over a shield with a sunburst in the middle. What could that mean? Hahahahaha! More sacred symbols of the Illuminati shoved in our faces and STILL most people have no idea who is running this planet.
Sadly, every week brings more news of why the republic is finished. It appears no one cares.
When the systems of our government fail to respond to Bush and Chaney breaking the law, it sets a standard that will be hard to overcome. Future Presidents an just point to the fact that Bush was not sent to jail, or even indicted, an so justify their own lawless behavior. When you start failing to enforce the law, even against the President of the United States, you open the door to much worse abuses and even outright dictatorships.
Question: where is the media? Don't they realize that they cannot survive under a government controlled press? The so-called reporters, as pathetic as they are at their jobs, will be replaced by "official news-readers" whom nobody believes. The only way they can preserve their jobs is by ensuring that we have a fairly open system of government.
What dopes.....
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