i've been out of the loop for a little bit mr. amato. who do you like for veep and why? also, what don't you like about kaine?

John who is your pick? Ok I am and always will be a Hillary supporter so you now know who I want. Let me know if you can.

It's either Dennis Kucinich or Chuck Norris.

i'm questioning obama's judgement for even considering bayh.

Biden.

Romney

7 Left&Left Says: It’ll be a woman….and not Hilllary.

That's what I was suggesting a month ago, the question is who?

paie=PAIR

The woman I was thinking of, I keep forgetting her name, but she had a thread within the last week, and seems to have become terribly unpopular on this site.

She has curly brown hair that seems to grow at a 45 degree angle, and a somewhat Hebraic sounding last name.

nikto @ 13:

Obama should grow his paie a bit bigger and choose either:

1.Russ Feingold

2.Howard Dean

At this point...
Fear of The Right is richly justified;Fear of The left is foolish fantasy.

With his star struck glorifying McCain, Feingold should not be the pick. Hell, McCain may pick him! I lost all respect for Feingold with his statements about how wonderful McCain is. He should have kept his mouth shut.

boc @ 15:

Wes Clark, that's my recommendation.

At this point I'm starting to hope for him again.

if he were going to choose someone that would play a comparable role to that played by cheney in the bush administration, then i would say choose feingold. but if they play only the role assigned to them as in previous administrations, then, well, what difference does it make?

Left@23, you are right. Penn is an out of control sycophant. Hillary should have dumped him long ago. What's the expression? 'You lie down with dogs, you get covered in fleas.' They tried the Rovian playbook, and they lost.

Left&Left @ 23:

Hillary sealed her fate during the primary when she and that fat Rovian stack of shit Penn chose to campaign against Obama with RNC bullshit talking points that would make Hannity proud, rather than for herself. Obama could and should never trust the Clinton's.

I guess she should not be making any appearances or campaigning for him then.

Obama can't validate Hillary after her primary antics! She needs to be out there repairing the damage, not getting promoted for it.

I am saying now that Wes Clark or Howard Dean would make me happy. I forgot about Howard Dean as a possibility. I really like him running the show at the DNC, but I'm sure he could find someone he trusts to take over similarly to what he did with Democracy for America. Picked his brother. Damn I'd be happy with Dean as V.P. Wes Clark would be fine too. Great thread.

Wesley Clark. You can see it coming from a mile away.

jerzen @ 22:

if he were going to choose someone that would play a comparable role to that played by cheney in the bush administration, then i would say choose feingold. but if they play only the role assigned to them as in previous administrations, then, well, what difference does it make?

what difference does it make?
It could mean winning the election or not.

Left&Left @ 23:

Hillary sealed her fate during the primary when she and that fat Rovian stack of shit Penn chose to campaign against Obama with RNC bullshit talking points that would make Hannity proud, rather than for herself. Obama could and should never trust the Clinton's.

Trusting the Clinton's at this point could be as disastrous as JFK trusting LBJ in my opinion. The Clinton's played by the Rove book and we don't know how low that can go.

Just saw a great Obama ad during the Olympics - about adding American jobs, new technologies, renewal energy, etc. Very positive, not an attack ad like McShame's spots.

OK, one more time (and I am not his mother), what about Bill Bradley?

It will be Wesley Clark. You can take that to the bank

Just look at the theme for the day at the Convention where the VP will speak is "Securing America's Future,"

Wesley Clarks' PAC:

"Securing America's Future"

Biden.........he could be what Cheney is to Bush.

nochickenhawk @ 19:

Born, raised, and educated in Indiana. Bayh is a fucking disaster. If you check his voting record, you will be shocked to know that he has disgustingly voted heavily with plantation republicans in the senate more than you would like to know. That's part of his cute little act of playing democrat in one or two counties in the state and then telling the rest I'm just like you dumbfucks in this state who vote republican even though it is not in your interest to do so. Obama doesn't need phoney Bayh or for that matter dumbfuck Indiana which cutie Evan could not deliver anyway.

Yeah, I grew up in Indiana and the best you can say about Evan is Republican-lite. Too bad, considering what a great Senator his Dad was. Birch Bayh was a tax and spend liberal and proud of it. He did more for Indiana than anyone thought possible...and then lost his last election to dumb fuck Dan Quayle of all people.

found this on the googlenews page this morning... posted at TP then...
still relevant?

Theme might offer a clue to VP choice
It’s national security on the night Obama’s running mate will make an acceptance speech .

By Steven K. Paulson

Associated Press
DENVER - Looking for clues on Barack Obama’s pick for a running mate? Consider the Democratic convention’s theme for the night the vice presidential candidate speaks: national security.
[…]
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080812_Theme_might_offer_a_clue_to_VP_choice.html

I like Jim Webb. He'd say the things about McCain that we wish Obama would, and thump whoever the Republics put up for VP in the debate(s).

P.D. @ 41:

Look, as much as I admired Hillary, she and Bill have done everything to undermine Obama's shot at the White House. Now all these rumors how her supporters are going to disrupt the Convention pisses me off. If her supporters pull off some kind of coup, I'll be severly pissed off. I hope Hillary and Bill think about the country more than their ego.

True....To this day, Bill Clinton acts as if he was totally a "victim" in the Monica scandal. I believe that Bill's sloppy cum trails aided the Repukes and HELPED put the worst President in history in office these eight vomit inducing years.

Who's badmouthing my KS gov? Maybe not the most dynamic speaker, but a smart woman, anti Iraq invasion, pro-choice, long time Obama supporter and a long history of fighting right wingers. That said, I don't think she brings that much for the ticket. I too lean for Wes Clark. Schweizer of Montana is my dark horse.

Obama/Lee Majors 08

I think Hilary would help Obama win, but I don't necessarily think she would be the best choice.

I'm going to stick with the same candidate I predicted 1 1/2 years ago - Ted Strickland. The guy's squeaky clean, happily married to a fantastic woman, no kids to embarrass him, a Methodist minister, well-liked in Ohio, won his election for Gov. with about 68% of the vote. Sure to tilt Ohio to Obama. He's 66 and looks 50. Great speaker. True-blue Democrat. Yeah, yeah, I know he's said he just wants to be Gov. of Ohio - he'd go for VP if they begged him to do it (just my opinion).

I hope Bayh is out for sure - there would be inevitable comparisons to Dan Quayle. God, I can't believe that guy was ever a VP.

clark was on rachel maddows show this evening...

[isn't it great to listen to her without the 'race to the whitehouse' crap interrupting?] [yes!]

she asked him if he was going to be at the convention on wed. night, feigning coyness...

he said he was scheduled to be elsewhere... italy? i think?

GEN. JOHN BATISTE!!

JHR @ 44:

Biden.........he could be what Cheney is to Bush.

Obama doesn't need a Cheney.

when webb was faced with the prospect of being vetted, it was like -- "i'm outta here!"

no hillary, no military, no war-mongering or conservative dems. let's try something new for a change, because unless and until something new is tried -- there will be little, or no change at all.

peace!

John Batiste would be a good choice. But there are many others like him as well.

Seriously though, we need a General/Admiral with Experience in the Middle East

Left&Left @ 52:

P.D. @ 41:

Look, as much as I admired Hillary, she and Bill have done everything to undermine Obama's shot at the White House. Now all these rumors how her supporters are going to disrupt the Convention pisses me off. If her supporters pull off some kind of coup, I'll be severly pissed off. I hope Hillary and Bill think about the country more than their ego.

True....To this day, Bill Clinton acts as if he was totally a "victim" in the Monica scandal. I believe that Bill's sloppy cum trails aided the Repukes and HELPED put the worst President in history in office these eight vomit inducing years.

Not one to dash HOPE, but (will anyway) has anyone in Washington NOT ACTED in the interests of their own EGO and WEALTH? I like Bill Clinton, and I also remember him saying, "I did it becasue I could." (re: cum trails, as per Left&Left) They all do it because they can!! Country comes second, if at all: POWER is the drug. Nuff said?

Left&Left @ 7:

It'll be a woman....and not Hilllary.

So... the Dems are hell bent on losing this election, he?

Oh please let it be Russ Feingold...

Bless your heart, John (Amato). Do you really think it matters who is chosen as Obama's running mate? Do you really think it matters much who is elected President of the United States? Whether the elections have been rigged (see rusty comment #69 above) or not, the Republican and Democratic Parties are "indispensable enemies, who take turns hawking the Great Shell Game to the Blissfully Ignorant Public. This running-mate issue is just one more shuffling of the cups, obscuring the fundamental barriers to a more just society. I am a long-time visitor to your site, and a first-time (and last-time) commenter. It seemed, during the most breathtakingly painful moments of the current administration, that your site had much to offer. Now that the Democratic Party has a majority in both houses of the U.S. Congress, and that the next President may be a member of that same party, your news items have become less scintillating and more mundane. The Democrats have done nothing to change what ails us, John. Obama is not the solution. Obama is part of the problem. Just as Hilary Clinton would have been. Just as Bill Clinton was. Unfortunately, what is wrong with the major media outlets is an approximation what your blog has become--a means to obscure the fundamental issues. Only yours is more dangerous. We know not to trust the major media outlets. Unfortunately, blogs like yours were once a reliable source of information. We trusted you. Yes, John, there is a bogeyman. There are many bogeyman. Unfortunately, it seems that you have become one of them. Bless your heart, John.

Wesley Clark would add gravity on military issues and a guy who isn't afraid to call McCain on wrapping himself in the flag. He probably won't be chosen because he isn't a great campaigner, but he would be far better than some generic DC lifer.

Why "no oh Hegal?"

useridml @ 79:

Bless your heart, John (Amato). Do you really think it matters who is chosen as Obama's running mate? Do you really think it matters much who is elected President of the United States? Whether the elections have been rigged (see rusty comment #69 above) or not, the Republican and Democratic Parties are "indispensable enemies, who take turns hawking the Great Shell Game to the Blissfully Ignorant Public. This running-mate issue is just one more shuffling of the cups, obscuring the fundamental barriers to a more just society. I am a long-time visitor to your site, and a first-time (and last-time) commenter. It seemed, during the most breathtakingly painful moments of the current administration, that your site had much to offer. Now that the Democratic Party has a majority in both houses of the U.S. Congress, and that the next President may be a member of that same party, your news items have become less scintillating and more mundane. The Democrats have done nothing to change what ails us, John. Obama is not the solution. Obama is part of the problem. Just as Hilary Clinton would have been. Just as Bill Clinton was. Unfortunately, what is wrong with the major media outlets is an approximation what your blog has become--a means to obscure the fundamental issues. Only yours is more dangerous. We know not to trust the major media outlets. Unfortunately, blogs like yours were once a reliable source of information. We trusted you. Yes, John, there is a bogeyman. There are many bogeyman. Unfortunately, it seems that you have become one of them. Bless your heart, John.

Wow, the freepers are out in force!

rhetorical tool @ 80:

Damn, no love at all here for Bill Richardson? Loads of foreign policy experience, pretty progressive, and strategically, nails down NM, helps in NV, FL, CO and by turning out Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley, could make TX competitive. And I don't remember the pollster, but I saw one asking whether each choice would make people more or less likely to vote for Obama, and Richardson was one of the few included who actually helped the ticket nationwide.
That said, I really like the idea of Bill Bradley, you'd hear the word "gravitas" one every news channel for days, everybody respects him, he'd help nationwide, and with all those New Yorkers and New Jersey retirees in FL.
Biden? Sure - Obama Lin Biden - it rolls right off the tongue.

I was going to add this to the board but you said it better than I ever could. I'd love to see Richardson get the job. There are several other good ideas here: Clark (to out-military McCain,) Harkin, and Bradley.

Oliver Dreams @ 88:

I think it will be Wes Clark or Biden.
I wish it could be Dodd or Kucinich, but no way that is happening.
I hope it's not Bayh, and I am from Indiana.
Indiana is the only State where the Republican (Lugar) is better than the Democrat.

Dodd wouldn't be bad.

It's clear based on Dennis poll numbers in two elections that the vast loud majority has no interest in him.

Biden has made to many screw ups and Clark might be just as bad.

Rico @ 26:

I don't know who Obama will pick but I certainly know one thing: I've shut off the flow of funds from my checkbook to him and the Democatic party until I know.

Unfortunately, almost no one he could pick will satisfy most of us. We're pretty much intent on eating our own--typical left-wing politics. We'll cut off our own noses to spite our faces and hand the victory to the Repigs just because we can't have everything we want.

On their own, I don't care for many of the people on Obama's so-called "short list" either--at least the ones the media keeps saying he's considering. But I've got to believe he has a strategic reason for considering them. He beat Clinton, he's held up well to McCain, and he's even been able to navigate fairly well against his most ardent foe--the damn mainstream media that keeps trying to knock him down with innuendo and nonsense.

Now if he can only get through his own convention without his "supporters" derailing him, he might be alright. Obama ain't perfect, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt--even if he picks Clinton. I sure as hell couldn't stand up to the image of perfection we all seem to want from him.

useridml @ 79:

Bless your heart, John (Amato).

You didn't really need the parentheses, did you? Or was needless pretension necessary to clue us in on the upper class twit drivel you were about to spew?

Do you really think it matters who is chosen as Obama's running mate? Do you really think it matters much who is elected President of the United States? Whether the elections have been rigged (see rusty comment #69 above) or not, the Republican and Democratic Parties are "indispensable enemies, who take turns hawking the Great Shell Game to the Blissfully Ignorant Public. This running-mate issue is just one more shuffling of the cups, obscuring the fundamental barriers to a more just society.

Blah blah blah blah. Yeah, the two major parties suck, and government is corrupt. And Obama is hardly a revolutionary who is going to "fix" things. No shit.

Somehow there seems to be an endless supply of people ready to accuse activists or bloggers of naivete or blissful ignorance, all very boastful about their perceptions of the problems around them, but short on any actual proposals for solutions. Oh, sure, there's a camp of those dispensing this pessimistic wisdom with a preferred third party or third-party presidential candidate, but rarely a real understanding of what it would take to make a third party viable.

Yes, the little D by the blue candidates' names stands for Dirt, and the little R by the red ones' stands for Rubbish. You have a choice between someone who might place a tourniquet on a dying country's gushing wounds, and another who would maniacally twist the knife. It's a shitty choice, but it's an obvious one, and yes, it matters! They're not equally bad. Beholden to the same special interests behind the scenes? Yeah. Limited in ability and inclination to change your life for the better? Yeah. But they're not equally bad. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Until you have a solution to both parties' nonsense, spare us your hopeless negativism.

The Democrats have done nothing to change what ails us, John. Obama is not the solution. Obama is part of the problem. Just as Hilary Clinton would have been. Just as Bill Clinton was.

Just as posters with this cliche message are.

It seemed, during the most breathtakingly painful moments of the current administration, that your site had much to offer. Now that the Democratic Party has a majority in both houses of the U.S. Congress, and that the next President may be a member of that same party, your news items have become less scintillating and more mundane. [ ] We know not to trust the major media outlets. Unfortunately, blogs like yours were once a reliable source of information. We trusted you. Yes, John, there is a bogeyman. There are many bogeyman. Unfortunately, it seems that you have become one of them. Bless your heart, John. [ ] Unfortunately, what is wrong with the major media outlets is an approximation what your blog has become--a means to obscure the fundamental issues. Only yours is more dangerous.

Let me get this straight. C&L once had the pleasing witticisms of a stick-it-to-the-man agitator, but the fact that the site largely supports a major party's candidate -- the party it largely supported all along, by the way -- it has grown too commonplace for your tastes? And you now think that C&L is but another brick in the complicity media's wall? You can't possibly have read the many contributors' points of view with any modicum of sophistication. You're not an informed citizen. You're an infant.

Oh, and . . . you don't really think the Democrats have a working majority in the Senate, do you?

I am a long-time visitor to your site, and a first-time (and last-time) commenter.

Awwwwww. We'll miss ya.

Feingold would be the best VP but dont know if he can help Obama win. Richardson is a member of Bohemia Grove and Sebelius,Clark are Trilateralists.Why not think outside the box...personally, i like repubican Jim Leach from Iowa.

Dennis Kucinich for VP.

Hmmm. I have thought Sibelius for more than a year now, but all this Clark talk has me thinking of his strengths. I agree that someone needs to be jabbing and counterpunching McCain camp smears with brass knuckles, especially with no 527 money to bury McCain. It would be nice for Obama to pick the best person to be President without having to worry about the balance/attack dog factor.
Richardson? I loved him as a concept and a resumé, but I think less of him the more he opens his mouth. Bayh sounds worse and worse the more I hear. Hadn't thought about Bradley. Good guy, but I have no idea what he has been doing.

I still say Clark since that comment has blown over. Clark or Biden.

drdale @ 97:

Dennis Kucinich for VP.

And how many states did the house rep win in the primaries this time?

Richardson, Dean, or Kucinich. Don't pick a senator (keep the seat!).

DON'T pick Nunn.

For real fun, pick Nader!

Definitely -- It should be Oprah!

A woman and a celebrity. Let's give an in-your-face move to the Republicans complaining that Obama is a celebrity. Here are more reasons:

1. And what would the back lash be from women voters when the repug attack machine says something bad about her.

2. This on the free press from the tabloids!

3. Obama and Opera ticket -- sounds good!

and of course,

4. Every voter may get a NEW CAR!

My out-of-the-box picks would be Rep. Wexler of FL (young, progressive, can be an attack dog, has a great book out now, could be a great candidate in 2016) or Sen. Levin of MI (blue collar and national security cred, is same age as McCain but is obviously sharper). My favorite among those mentioned in the speculation is Gov. Richardson (national security cred, helps in NM, CO, NV, FL, AZ and TX).
Unfortunately, many of the folks who are the focus of speculation lately are right of center, to say the least, and on policy grounds I would not want them to become president in 2016 or in the event of the unthinkable before then. Bayh voted for the Iraq war resolution, which would undercut one of Obama's main talking point against McCain. Hagel's position on Iraq notwithstanding, he's still a Republican for chrissakes. Nunn is is the guy who kneecapped President Clinton on the gays-in-the-military issue before Bill even had a chance to get the Oval Office chair warm.
Among the others, Govs. Kaine and Sebelius have no national standing. Gen. Clark's military record has already been attacked, in a preview of the swiftboating he would surely be subjected to, plus he has no experience in public office and can help in no demographic that I'm aware of.
Then there's Sen. Clinton -- a problematic pick in so many ways, which have been thrashed over in threads from here to wonkette and back.
I'm really hoping that Sen. Obama pulls a surprise and doesn't go with anyone on the "short list" as currently reported -- not necessarily with a bold pick like Wexler, but at least a solid center-left Democrat who is plausibly presidential. I mean, after all this Bayh and Hagel talk, Biden and Dodd are looking pretty good.

Widespread @ 56:

I'm not a "brander", but if I were, I'm pretty sure both the spelling and pronunciation of "Bayh" would be huge negatives.

u noe how i noe ur Bayh?
Bayh at the moon.
Sittin' on the top of Evan Bayh.

It's pronounced "Bye"

I forgot to add Richardson and Biden as one of his top cabnet picks. These two guys have a whole lot to offer an Obama ticket.

Hasn't General Clark been vetted? Its the only choice that makes sense anymore, I am praying Obama picks him. To me its a perfect fit.

Sure, why not Clark? He can say--correctly--that he's incinerated more civilians than McCain. And that's what's important to the Democratic Party these days, isn't it? Showing that they can be as brutal and cruel as the Republcans, only smarter.

Shoot, in America, you can wage war on all the yellow people and brown people you want, but Clark executed Clinton's war in Bosnia against white people. How cool was that? First time we dropped bombs on white folks since WW II.

abarts @ 27:

Left&Left @ 23:

Hillary sealed her fate during the primary when she and that fat Rovian stack of shit Penn chose to campaign against Obama with RNC bullshit talking points that would make Hannity proud, rather than for herself. Obama could and should never trust the Clinton's.

I guess she should not be making any appearances or campaigning for him then.

LOL! You would think that the logical conclusion. I can't believe these guys are still complaining about the primaries. Of course she's going to campaign for him as he would for her.

StCyrlyMe2 @ 114:

P.D. @ 42:

Look, as much as I admired Hillary, she and Bill have done everything to undermine Obama's shot at the White House. Now all these rumors how her supporters are going to disrupt the Convention pisses me off. If her supporters pull off some kind of coup, I'll be severly pissed off. I hope Hillary and Bill think about the country more than their ego.

Make no mistake about who these people really are. They are these sorry ass republicans who have never in their life time ran across hundreds of thousands of proud black Americans, who will not take any kind of interuptions from right wing bigots, lightly. You may be sure of that.
Hillary is supposed to be down to 18% of supporters, who are still hanging on and I seriously doubt, they want to start any kind of crap at that convention.

Seriously, you two cut the crap already. The primaries are over. There most likely won't be any incidents at the convention. If any thing the prolonged primary process made Obama a better candidate. The Clintons haven't laid a glove on Obama compared to what the repugs are going to do this fall.

.....If any thing the prolonged primary process made Obama a better candidate. .....

Tell you one thing. Since Obama gave that speach in Germany, the European Bankers have certainly decided that the US dollar is worth something as it is now rebounding strongly against the Euro. Team Biden up with Obama and we will see the United States of America regain it's good reputation and respect around the world!

Bayh is another DINO. I consider him to be a Republican. If Obama picks a corporatist/DINO as his running mate he's going to blow the election. I find his massive shift to the right since becoming the presumptive nominee very disturbing. I'm beginning to think it's time for a major revolt at the convention.

Whoever it turns out to be, it'll be a Slap in the Face(tm) to Hillary

Too bad this guy is too furren to run as veep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNX2JRvdPX8

How about this little guy?

No not Dennis Kucinich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG_LrGPsJB0

He looks kinda military.

EJG @ 19:

nikto @ 13:

Obama should grow his paie a bit bigger and choose either:

1.Russ Feingold

2.Howard Dean

At this point...
Fear of The Right is richly justified;Fear of The left is foolish fantasy.

With his star struck glorifying McCain, Feingold should not be the pick. Hell, McCain may pick him! I lost all respect for Feingold with his statements about how wonderful McCain is. He should have kept his mouth shut.

Feingold is a "no way". I cannot imagine that he would go for it. He is actually the only senator worth a damn with no (apparent) monsters in his closet. He needs to stay in the senate, and I believe he believes that too.

Howard Dean would be spectacular. It would create a huge noise: cheers from the base of the Democrap party (the true Democrats) and howls from the MSM and GOP (the "scream" would come back in spades).

I believe he needs to pick/will pick Clark...but only after Clark has a sex change operation so Obama can choose a woman for VEEP too.

Obama Clark 08

not an expert....but.... Wes Clark might make it...

Praedor Atrebates @ 133:

EJG @ 19:

nikto @ 13:

Obama should grow his paie a bit bigger and choose either:

1.Russ Feingold

2.Howard Dean

At this point...
Fear of The Right is richly justified;Fear of The left is foolish fantasy.

With his star struck glorifying McCain, Feingold should not be the pick. Hell, McCain may pick him! I lost all respect for Feingold with his statements about how wonderful McCain is. He should have kept his mouth shut.

Feingold is a "no way". I cannot imagine that he would go for it. He is actually the only senator worth a damn with no (apparent) monsters in his closet. He needs to stay in the senate, and I believe he believes that too.

Howard Dean would be spectacular. It would create a huge noise: cheers from the base of the Democrap party (the true Democrats) and howls from the MSM and GOP (the "scream" would come back in spades).

I believe he needs to pick/will pick Clark...but only after Clark has a sex change operation so Obama can choose a woman for VEEP too.

LOL!!! Too funny...
I think Dean or Clark would be excellent choices. I think Clark would be the way to go.

tyree @ 140:

ysbaddaden @ 13:

7 Left&Left Says: It’ll be a woman….and not Hilllary.

That's what I was suggesting a month ago, the question is who?

mcconal?

It'll be Hillary tyree. For number of reasons.

Left&Left @ 24:

Hillary sealed her fate during the primary when she and that fat Rovian stack of shit Penn chose to campaign against Obama with RNC bullshit talking points that would make Hannity proud, rather than for herself. Obama could and should never trust the Clinton's.

thought you said you were a strong hillary backer before you werent?

liberalNmoderation @ 142:

tyree @ 140:

ysbaddaden @ 13:

7 Left&Left Says: It’ll be a woman….and not Hilllary.

That's what I was suggesting a month ago, the question is who?

mcconal?

Hey Tyree!
Long time!
How's things?

hi lib , been home cleaning my home defence unit, ak 47!

nochickenhawk @ 20:

Born, raised, and educated in Indiana. Bayh is a fucking disaster. If you check his voting record, you will be shocked to know that he has disgustingly voted heavily with plantation republicans in the senate more than you would like to know. That's part of his cute little act of playing democrat in one or two counties in the state and then telling the rest I'm just like you dumbfucks in this state who vote republican even though it is not in your interest to do so. Obama doesn't need phoney Bayh or for that matter dumbfuck Indiana which cutie Evan could not deliver anyway.

I'll give you an "amen" brother as another born, raised and educated in Indiana Hoosier!

I'm done given Bayh the benefit of the doubt. I don't want him as VP and I don't want him as my dem Sen...

However, I do disagree with you about "dumbfuck Indiana." I still live here and there is change happening..slow but surely. Right now 5 out of the 9 congressional districts are held by dems. Yes, some of them have to be conservative, but we are moving.

My staunch NRA card carrying libertarian father voted for Kerry last time and will probably vote Obama this time....though Edwards was his first choice.

Obama did very well when he came here. People responded well to him. I'm not saying IN will go D this election but it's definitely starting to look more purple than red. IMHO

sr

woody, tokin librul @ 134:

imho, the "Democratic ticket" ought to have at LEAST one Democrat on it.

Perhaps you'll recall that Bayh voted to APPROVE Michael "Snot" Mukasey as AG.

Oh this Hoosier gal hasn't forgotten...yet one more reason why he won't have my vote..that and FISA immunity. I'm done with him! I don't want him for VP either!

sr