Mid-day Open Thread
By bluegal Wednesday Aug 13, 2008 2:00pm
Inspiration from here, h/t BillW. Open thread below...
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FOIST!!!!!
Awesome!
I'm gonna print that shit, and paste 'em everywhere!
US general banned from Gitmo trial
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/08/14/us-gitmo.html
Unfortunately the GOP, MSM and the neocons are sure going to try to buy it for him.
If we elect John McCain, we can look forward to more wars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesXUFOlWC0&feature=related
Here's another great "Obama" ad by someone not associated with the Obama camp, but who should be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBfngOsvmA0&eurl=
Cindy probably COULD buy that house, but would the McSame's settle for such a dinky little bungalow like that ?
Jesus, that place has just ONE heliport for chrissakes !
AFL
John McCain: Multi-millionaire ELITIST.
Now, this is cutting a bit closer to the bone and giving Republicans a taste of their own medicine.
Now that's a fine piece of work. Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.
I'd donate to get that puppy on coast to coast.
Obama may not save us but McCain will surely lead us down the final leg of destruction. Chose your poison kids, it's really that simple.
Going Terrier @ 5:
for a hundred years.
or 10,000.
That house is owned by the Military Industrial Complex.
It's time for the people to move back in. Why do we
need a pResident anyway?
Love it! I made sure to post it on my Facebook page!
i posted this on the previous thread, but it really belongs here... so, i apologize for the repeat. but, i think it is an interesting stat that deserves another walk around the block, imo
"Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain"
"That's shocking. The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor, said Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military. "That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html
#9 drumas
LMAO
GOP got B*tch slapped! they need to run this ad during the Olympics. MSM's double standard needs to stop, we all know who is the real ELITIST.
Exxon, an army of Lobbyists, the corporate media in the bag for him, and an uneducated electorate...sure can help....
Alas....hope shall prevail
Obama 08
I think that's a little mean-spirited. We're better than that. Let's leave the missus out of it, since the hubby seems capable of losing this election in a landslide all by himself.
This has nothing to do with politics, I just thought it was an amusing headline:
Report: USC dealing with jock itch outbreak
theWalrus @ 7:
excellent ..
Fox And Friends Takes Credit For Airlines’ Deal On Troops’ Baggage Fees: ‘Mission Accomplished’
Jebus.
Idle speculation:
One week from tomorrow,
Bad News Dump Day...
We are interrupted by the screamingly breathless Fair and Balanced Breaking News alleging Obama's extramarital affair.
Hillary subsequently arises in Denver, Phoenix-like, to ascend to Her Rightful Throne.
Jus' sayin'...
Wouldn't even matter were it not true. Denials would...well, we have the recent spectacle of Edwards' emphatic denials.
Hell, Jerome Corsi could pay for someone to step forward with an irresistible lie.
Re Cindy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1647xFnje0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOIZPhzflBI
I do NOT think that Dims need to "lay off" Cindy McSame.
She's just a younger Leona Helmsley, and needs to get the full treatment...
FBI witch hunt gone awry...Hair samples in anthrax case don't match scientist Bruce E. Ivins
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/13/AR200808...
Who the fuck killed Americans with Anthrax and sent it to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Senator Patrick Leahy in the run up to the passage of the anti-American Patriot Act. I want to know...
"If they would do this, if they would stoop this low, to steal our White House, what else would they do? What else are they capable of, what else are they capable of? I want to know." - Michael Moore
drumas @ 9:
Very nice. Does anybody know how many of McCain's homes are in gated communities? I think that would be a nice fact to have.
To answer my own question: I found at least one but they sold it. Guess the wall wasn't high enough.
Oh here's the link: http://www.luxist.com/2008/07/17/john-mccains-former-home-estate-of-the-...
See. Nothing elitist about John. He's a regular man of the people.
drumas @ 9:
i've been talking about this for some time and waiting for someone to expose the fact this millionaire gets social security payments along with his elitist lifestyle
shantiquax @ 17:
Anybody who is a friend of, relative of, or is married to McNasty is fair game. Would you want the first lady to have her knockers displayed at a biker rally? If she can go that route nothing is sacred.
BobbyG @ 21:
Not sayin' it couldn't happen, but it probably won't.
But here's how you'll know if you're right: keep your eyes on the National Enquirer. You might think it a disreputable scandal sheet, but you'd only be half right. NE has a large, well paid legal staff that keeps the rag from running stories that might cost it dearly. If the story doesn't appear there, it will be discredited quickly. Major media outlets won't touch a story like that if it hasn't gone through the NE's filter first.
9 drumas Says: AFL
John McCain: Multi-millionaire ELITIST.
Go back to #9 and read some of the comments; some of the people who posted there actually think that Corsi's book is accurate and on point! Since most of it has already been debunked, I guess like most people they are just not paying attention.
Sure looks like McGramps is gaffing his way right into the White House. Just like W did...twice. Of course, McGramps has the added bonus of having Diebold and the supreme court on his side.
It's a good thing we have an open and transparent government, otherwise we would be in trouble.
hello--i am quasi-internet apt, but this is beyond my capabilities. so here is an idea i give to anyone who thinks it could work and would run with it. i have seen a lot of killer obama/anti-mccain ads around the net, independents like this one and the graph one of bush/mccain approval, and i thought it would be wonderful if there were some site where they could all be gathered. then, people could make contributions to the site for the ad they liked, and when there was enough money, an actual ad buy could be made (on the teevee and everything) where these popularly-selected videos could play some number of times.
what do you think? would this work? is it legal? could this be somebody's subset, like actblue?
30 sec youtube mccain out of touch using bush talking points on economy....very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRV8Q9IBDxk
BREAKING
One of the Chinese gymnastics girl is 13
lucid fiction @ 12:
wich is why it wasnt selected for demolition on that fateful day! siegh hielers
lucid fiction @ 35:
shocker
Please also watch the video that Bluegal linked to in this thread.
I'm glad someone took my slogan and made a picture out of it but it was sort of meant to go along with the video. . .
lucid fiction @ 35:
Just one? What are the odds that an overwhelming majority of all the "athletes" are juiced up as well? Major news headlines when one is thrown under the bus. US athletes that get caught, only appear in headlines years later after everyone forgets all about it.........ah yes...the Olympics...where the world gets together and cheats to win.....sad display.....oh and now back to the midget table tennis tournament!
After Ron Suskind Reveals Bush Admin Ordered Iraq-9/11 Fakery, House Judiciary Chair John Conyers Opens Congressional Probe
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/14/after_ron_suskind_reveals_bush_admin
Drumas- #9
Thats a good ad, they came back hard.
McSame is calling social security 'a travesty'
Then still takes in 30k a year of my tax money, when he has millions in the bank.
Orangutan. @ 40:
Stern letters to follow.
miss_kitty @ 42:
Pelosi will get right on this.
ConcernedCanuck @ 39:
Helluva leap there.
Female gymnasts have been on the young side for decades now. Someone realized that 13-15 year-old females don't get any stronger, but they do tend to get heavier. There needn't be performance enhancing drugs used to make this gymnast as strong as a 19 year-old. She's already that strong.
Andy K Jong Il @ 44:
Too true. Either way, most if not all of competing athletes at Olympics are juiced up. It's sports theater like the WWE. The entire nation should be proud cuz Joe SoAndSo just set a new olympic record in left handed synchronized masterbation. Oh goodie! Coming up is the podium where we'll see them line up and play their national anthems for the millionth time as tears stream down Joe's face. Ugh. We now return to women's synchronized vomiting.
lucid fiction @ 35:
So what? If she was 12 and preformed well and won a medal; that's that !!
Oh, but I forget, the American public are whiners and when losing, they have
to have something to bitch and moan about. Get over it.
Evening, September 11, 2001: White House Staff, Including Cheney’s, Start Taking Anthrax Antibiotic Cipro
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101ciprocheney#a09110...
ConcernedCanuck @ 45:
There's a cure for your disgust. Just turn off your tv.
Andy K Jong Il @ 48:
LOL! I watch very little tv and even less Olympics......just love seeing people discuss it though.
Doggiebobo @ 46:
Oh, I just thought there was this tiny little thing called rules of the game.
I could care less that they did well and won red or green medals.
But I need to remind myself that we are run by lawless criminals, and yes
Too many sheep bitch and moan. Just stating the fact, nothing more,
nothing less.
ConcernedCanuck @ 49:
Well, you aren't really just "lurking" about, observing the reactions of others, are you? You're an active participant, fueling the conversation with your observations on nationalism and performance enhancing drugs, no? If you're going to make those comments, then maybe you should be watching the games on tv.
lucid fiction @ 50:
Sorry, I did not intend my comments for YOU per say. It's just, or it seems so to me, that most American sport fans are soooooo judgemental/critical of others when WE
have equally, if not more so, cheating in our College/Professional Sports..and are too
hung up on always being right and wanting to win.
ConcernedCanuck @ 45:
I thought my record would stand forever.
ConcernedCanuck @ 45:
Wow... someone is bitter about Canada's drought of medals so far...
Legally they have to be 16!
It might not be obvious why being younger would be an advantage in a highly perfectionistic, skill-driven sport like gymnastics.
After all, the younger athletes have had less time to refine their skills.
But gymnastics in its current athleticized form rewards lightness and a low center of gravity. Smaller girls rotate more easily in the air.
Their bodies are also less subject to the hormonal changes that can lead to injury. And the prepubescent tend, quite simply, to be more fearless.
Tyler Durden @ 54:
I wouldn't go so far as to use the b-word. Our Canuck certainly seems concerned, though.
cobsjo @ 41:
McCain also gets full 60K military disability a year, on top of his salary as a senator.
Judging for his voting record he also considers disability a travesty, not that it stops him from collecting it in full...
Doggiebobo @ 46:
I understand the reason for the rule - something akin to child labor laws. But I agree that an infraction on this one should hardly be considered cheating in the normal sense - aren't experience and maturity still major factors in anything???
Verdict in...
FactCheck.org
No, tire inflation doesn't net as much gas as drilling
.....
But we also figure that expanded offshore drilling is projected to produce far more oil eventually than can be saved by proper tire inflation – nearly three times as much even by the conservative estimate of government experts, and more than 10 times as much if an industry-endorsed estimate is correct. And even taking into account additional fuel savings from tune-ups, which Obama also mentioned, he greatly exaggerated.
But for the sake of argument, even if one assumed that another 1 billion gallons of fuel could be saved each year from proper tune-ups – and again, we've seen no evidence to support that idea – the combination of tire pressure and tune-ups wouldn't equal in savings what the government expects from increased offshore production once it reaches a peak. And it would be only a small fraction of what ARI and the NPC expects.
Attorney: 'DC Madam' left instructions if 'ever found dead of apparent suicide'
http://www.legitgov.org/dc_madam_update_100808.html
Gee, I wonder if the liberal media will cover this.
dennis @ 59:
Please provide the identity of these "government experts" who are allegedly making
observations you quoted. Seems rather important that we know exactly WHO these
persons are. Thanks..
dennis @ 59:
Howzit goin dennis. I see you got the memo on this Fact Check letter. Yeah, me too.
All I have to say is people who think that driving with under inflated tires are stupid.
Anyone who's been driving for more that 1 year can tell you it's beneficial to gas mileage to keep your tires properly inflated.
Not to mention the safety issues.
Why do some people resist change ? We need to get away from oil as our main source of energy. No?
constituent @ 34:
Wow, all these ads are great, but this could be the most devastating. The message has to be driven home that McCain would be Bush's third, and maybe fourth, term.
Now, I'd like to bring up something that I've been waiting for an open thread to mention. My father-in-law gave me a T-shirt that proclaims, "Freedom isn't Free." Obviously, a lot of people have made a lot of sacrifices for the sake of freedom, but since he's such a fan of the hate radio shows ("listening to Limbaugh is the only way I can get the TRUTH!") that I'm thinking that shirt must be symbolic of something else for some neocon group. Do any of you have any thoughts/info on that? A cursory look at "the Google" didn't turn up much.
Orangutan. @ 23:
Ouch. But, this won't be reported on any reich-wing blogs. They are too busy throwing the justice system out and claiming Ivins is guilty before innocent.
dennis @ 59:
So... keeping your tires inflated and your car in tune is a bad idea? Is that what you're saying, lil' d? If not, what ARE you saying?
McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.
Doggiebobo @ 62:
I don't know, Doggie. It's FactCheck.org. So it's just the facts.
Tyler Durden @ 54:
You mean Canada is there? Hmmm.....whoda thunk it?
Orangutan. @ 60:
HA!
Palfrey was claiming back in the early '90's that the vice squad in San Diego was out to kill her, too. So who was it, Orangutan?
ps- that link should be right up your alley.
Andy K Jong Il @ 56:
LOL.......naw Andy, not concerned about it at all...I find Olympic coverage/analysis hilarious....sports contests that meant absolutely nothing to anyone in their lives at any time, are all cheered and booed cuz it's Olympic time....waste of money...host nation spends millions and millions on crappy buildings and parking lots that just fall apart when the grand illusion is over.....there would be no hunger anywhere on the globe if the money was spent on it.......but hey, then how would anyone get their "who's the greatest table tennis nation" fix?
Alert for the Crooks and Liars bloggers and readers. If you have not listened to Democracy Now's Amy Goodman 's interview with investigative reporter Ron Susskind it is time to listen NOW. Ron drops some truth bombs on the Bush regime.
I am unable to link from this computer but go on over to Democracy Now and watch or listen to the interview with Susskind from Wednesday and today (thursday). Important Important
Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition
By a vote of 75-22, the Senate approved an expanded version of the GI bill today. Proposed by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., it's the biggest expansion of the bill in the past quarter-century, according to the New York Times. But it has also been opposed by, among others, President Bush and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.
now that's what i'm talking about. great ad. small words with no huge message, in other words something that the heartland of america can understand.
dennis @ 68:
Well, personally, I have a hard time accepting at face value anything said by
"government experts" AND "industry endorsed" organization as to what their
views/opinions/observations might be. ESPECIALLY if the data was partially
from "industry endorsed" companies...like maybe Oil/Gas Industry??
dennis @ 68:
But PolitiFact.com concludes that Obama was correct, lil' d. And as we can see from its name, it's also just the facts.
Who to believe? Lots of questions, few answers...
mudshark @ 63:
Hey, mudshark. Honestly, I've never read or heard anyone say it's not beneficial to keep your tires inflated. The issue was always whether or not doing that would be enough that we wouldn't need to drill, or that Obama's suggestion would net the same amount as drilling would. I admit, and the FactCheck article states it as well, that McCain overstated what Obama said, that that was Obama's entire energy policy- it wasn't- but I never heard him or anyone say it wasn't a good idea not to keep your tires inflated or to ignore Obama's Public Service Announcement on tire pressure and tune-ups.
And yeah, I'm with you on getting away from oil as much as we can.
C&L please stop talking the political BS game, it doesn't matter who wins, we are in a bigger crisis then the Cuban missile crisis. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH FALSE FLAGS, well case in point Gulf of Tonkin was on. Scores of books have been written on a myth, same scenario with 911, it was prior knowledge with Northwoods memo and the downing street memos. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? They did it again in Ossidy IT WAS GEORGIA THAT ATTACK THE ONCLAVE, WW3 HAS ALREADY STARTED AND YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT OBAMA GOING CHANGE ANYTHING, NO HE WILL NOT, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE TOAST BECAUSE THERE IS NO LEADERSHIP AT ALL.
Rusty The One Shackleford @ 76:
Just my opinion Russ, but I believe its best you should believe the facts I provide as a primary source. If I'm not here it's ok to venture out on your own; but always check back with me.
dennis @ 77:
dennis, if you'd listen to what Obama said, he said we need a little of everything. Until we have developed alternative energy to a point where oil is no longer our mainstay.
have a good one dennis.
Rep. Sali: There ‘Could Be Up To Forty Barrels Of Oil In A Single Tree’
Rep. Bill Sali (R-ID), who is participating in the GOP’s ongoing “Drill Now” energy stunt, has a unique idea about how to bring down gas prices: extracting oil from trees. In a meeting in his Capitol Hill office, Sali reportedly told a candidate for Idaho’s House of Representatives, Byron Yankey, that there “‘could be up to 40 barrels of oil‘ in a single tree.”
Rush to War @ 78:
If nothing is going to change and we're all toast, why are you wasting your time commenting here?
Hell, go out and have all the sex you can. Max out all your credit cards. Bet on the Lions to win the Super Bowl. Get one of those ice cream sundaes that's made with real gold. But, for chrissakes, QUIT WASTING YOUR LIMITED, VALUABLE TIME ON US IGNORANT MORONS!
woody, tokin librul @ 22:
Both rich and like their cosmetics, but the stories are quite different. For crimes, McCain stole some drugs to feed her habit, Helmsley scrimped on paying some small fraction of her tax bill. Helmsley is dead, after all that stress of going to prison, at her age, it's no surprise. Helmsley was more like Martha Stewart, she worked.
I'd be surprised if that was true. Money bought dumbya the white house. I'm sure it will get mcstain where he wants to go as well.
to #33
Moveon.org has some great videos that you can donate to in order to get them aired. However, I think the more scathing videos as seen here should be played on air. I don't think Moveon wants to head in the "scathing" direction...I personally see no other way around it.
Hey Everyone!
The Iowa Democratic Party released a new addition to their "McCain vs Iowa" website today.
This one is pretty damn funny... but it really hits home because McCain REALLY doesn't have a rural healthcare plan.
http://www.mccainvsiowa.com/
Why isn't "this" italicized in the "Your wife can't buy you this house"?
God, I'm anal-retentive - sorry . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080814/ts_nm/saudi_lawsuit_dc_1
U.S. court rules Saudi Arabia immune in 9/11 case
Rush to war @78
You are right. It is global policy set by the elite that we live under. Washington is owned, and it is only a shadow government of a much larger corrupt organization that truly operates the world. The recent skirmish in Georgia for instance is all about natural gas pipelines and ownership thereof. Russia vs. U.S. Once you understand the concept of peak oil, you will understand everything that has happened since the mid 1990's. Like the scientist Hubbard predicted back in the '70's...we will hit peak oil and we have already...as predicted. It's kind of like siphoning a gas tank. It flows with force at first, then starts to peter out. The world's oil supply is petering out. He also predicted the outcome of peak oil...which is what we are experiencing today. Global conflicts, food shortages, water shortages, etc. etc. The global elite plan is for taking it all...regardless of the country it comes from. It is a ruthless policy to grab what remains. The U.S. is very unwise to invest in oil. Its time has ended. If we are to remain a super power we must find alternative energy sources. This endless game of wars and false flags will be our doom.
dennis @ 79:
You provide some, lil' d, and I'll believe 'em. There's a first time for everything.
Priceless!
Rusty The One Shackleford @ 66:
I don't get it. Is Fact Check saying that Oil production will last forever? Because Tire inflation and tuneups lasts for as long as cars exist. Is Fact Check saying that Oil production will arrive immediately? Because tire inflation will have 10 years worth of savings in the bank before offshore drilling even begins production. Is Fact Check saying that Oil production will catch up to all the savings from Tire Inflation over those years, pass it, and then last forever?
I just want to be clear about what Fact check is saying here. Taking the numbers from both Tire Inflation and Oil production and putting them side by side as if they would both start immediately and both last indefinitely would be kind of dishonest.
dennis @ 59:
It Is All In How You Word It
There is one fact that hinders the argument the above is trying to make: Inflating tires will bring immediate results while drilling is a hit and mis unknown that kicks in 10 years from now.
In addition to the above, I have found that Factcheck.org patronizes a sense of balance. It tries to find fault when there is none, and in doing so minimizes the truth. Instead of saying this argument is hard to settle because drilling represents an unknown quantity, they presented the argument as if what has not been found has been found. No statement about quantity is legitimate in this case.
Joseph
Don't Believe The Polls
The Republicans claim the people are behind them on this issue. I find this very misleading, and every poll so far appeared to muddy the question in ambiguous ways. I am conducting my own poll. You can vote on this issue here.
Joseph
Plisko @ 93:
This is a really stupid argument. Of course keeping your car tuned and your tires properly inflated is a good idea. Of course it saves gas. Handing over more leases to the oil companies is not going to do a damn thing for 10 years and even then won't lower the price of gas by any noticeable margin. The republicans - working with the oil companies, are clearly trying to bamboozle the American people into thinking that giving the oil companies what they want will lower the price of their gas. It's a sham. I believe that many answers to the high gas prices can be found with information as to what went on in the 2001 "behind closed door" energy meetings with the oil execs in Cheney's office.
Fritz @ 96:
Yea. . . I actually made a pushback video about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YQvgN9w7zw
Two of them actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwDELGps48
In order to understand the arguments of neotards, It is impearative that you avoid reason, logic, and scientific thinking.
Outstanding
This will be my line of defense for an argument owned my the Republicans and the conservative media. Very good, no, excellent work.
Joseph
dennis @ 59:
It's called cutting back, conserving, saving. Every little bit helps. Ever tried to save money? You have to keep track of the nickels and dimes sometimes. Stop being obstructionist. A drop here, a gallon there, X 7,000,000,000 on the planet. Don't you switch off lights you're not using? (probably not)
Name Change
I am going to change my site's name to The real factcheck.org.
Really just because your name is factcheck.org does not mean your creditability is sealed. For example, there reputation on this site has just hit new lows.
Joseph
Over 400 "Dead Zones" in the Oceans.
Yeah, Offshore drilling.(rolls eyes)
I was actually looking for a story about that time when Senator Obama's plane made an " Unscheduled stop in St Louis"
Turns out it was an emergency. Something to do with the pitch controls. Emergency landing.
Now, I don't want to sound like some conspiracy nut. But Sen Wellstone's crash was eerily similar.
We all know that these guys really don't care about the law and ethics.
So it should come as no surprise that this may be the case.
Of Course, we will never find out. But it gives a good hint at why he's in Hawaii.
He's safer there.
Plisko @ 97:
Excellent! Those are really good. I'll pass them on!
I often check the U.S. National Debt Clock (found here http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ )
Today it's at $9,601,058,664,975.20
The estimated population of the United States is 304,543,065
so each citizen's share of this debt is $31,526.11.
Since I last reported it (6 months ago??), you each owe another $1,500 a piece (per American, not per family.) It's up about $700,000,000,000, since then, too.
mudshark @ 80:
Ah dennis dennis dennis...tryin to paint everything in B&W again?
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