New Obama ad slams McCain's war policy for hurting economy
By SilentPatriot Saturday Aug 16, 2008 6:00pm
It's about time Obama starts exposing the Real McCain by drawing factual contrasts.
"Economics by John McCain. Support George Bush 95 percent of the time. Keep spending $10 billion a month for the war in Iraq, while the Iraqis sell oil for record prices, giving Iraq a $79 billion oil surplus and hurting our economy. [...] Barack Obama: The Middle Class First.
As we've seen so far, facts and context don't seem to enter the equation on the other side, as is evidenced by this "response" from McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds: (via HuffPo)
"In the Senate, Barack Obama has voted in lockstep with President George W. Bush nearly half the time, including the Bush-Cheney Energy bill which gave close to 3 billion dollars in new giveaways to Big Oil - a terrible policy that John McCain opposed. The truth is Barack Obama's plan is a job killing machine that ignores the struggling economy and raises taxes on family savings, social security and small businesses."
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Obama wont stop the wars either.
Wars are too profitable to the MIC.
And Obama - like it or not - is a tool of the elite.
I like the fact Barak approves the message beforehand. It lets the words sink in at the end without being distracted by the fact it is a political ad.
Truth B Told @ 1:
What?
Truth B Told @ 1:
I'll take tool of the elite over tool of the stupid anytime.
nin-mofo @ 3:
I was pretty clear.
Obama's handlers, his advisors...
come from the same groups, such as the CFR, the Trilaterals, the Bilderbergers, Skull n Bones....
as does the ones behind McSame... and also the Bush/Cheney mafia.
He's a sock puppet.
dumbstruck @ 4:
that you would call these criminals stupid shows your pseudonym is appropriate.
Truth B Told @ 5:
um, links to facts would be nice.
Truth be told: How long have you been brainwashed
Truth B Told @ 1:
Would that elite include having a private airplane to travel for campaign stops? Would it include owning ten mansions all over the United States? Would it include being married to a multi-millionaire? WOULD it include not remembering the last time one put gas in their car. Because if that is elite (which by my definition, it is) then J McBush is the real elitist around here. But the republicrites refuse to admit that, since it would betray their own hypocrisy!
Get ready for the next attack from McCain and the Corporate Media Players:
Obama is fomenting class warfare!!
They won't say that we've been in the middle of class warfare for decades. Or that the middle and lower classes are losing badly.
This nation has been fairly raped by the 2% while their minions told us that we should cheer them on. And we did!
Its time we fought back!
Just heard that McCain was not at the church last night when the debate started. He was still en route in a motorcade. Apparently this was reported on CNN this evening. I've been trying to find a link but haven't found it. Can C&L check this one out?
Check out the Washington Post's editorial on exporting jobs...and wht that's GOOD FOR AMERICA!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/16/AR200808...
John "Drill Here, Drill Now" McCain is so odious I can't see how anybody would vote for him. After 26 years in the Senate, what has he done except escape being indicted during the Keating savings and loan scandal?
seriously @ 7:
I'll tell you what...
why don't you take the list of organizations that I have previously mentioned... and run a Google search of Obama's senior advisors and also CFR, Trilaterals, and so forth....
check out Brzezinski, Austan Goolsbie and others...
Obama's Elitist connections so far:
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Trilateralist, Rockefeller stooge, friend of Pol Pot, who masterminded the creation of Al Qaida's direct predecessor, and was instrumental in the Iraq-Iran war, and Afghan-Soviet war. Writes books salivating for the New World Order to come into fruition.
Zbig wrote some real gems, such as:
So one of Obama's advisers has instincts against Democracy for IMPERIAL mobilization?
Brzezinski states that the Establishment’s plans for America’s future are “directly linked to the impact of technology” and “involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite … unrestrained by the restraints of traditional … values. This elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public and keeping society under close surveillance and control.” Sort of like like what we have now.
In the January, 1968, edition of Encounter, Brzezinski elaborated on the prison camp he envisions for the U.S. It will be “possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date, complete files, containing even the most personal information about the health or personal behavior of the citizen in addition to more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by THE authority.”
Austan Goolsbie, Yale and Skull and Bones Alum, (along with Bush family, Kerry, and a whole laundry list of treasonous and murdering motherfuckers.) What secrets did he spill when he was jerking off in a casket with his Skull brothers in a sick trauma based initiation?
Michelle Obama, member of the Chicago Branch of the CFR, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Each branch technically independent...
Joseph Nye, a North American Vice-chairman of Trilateral Commission and Bilderberger treasonous fuck.
Anthony Lake, Clinton National Security Advisor, nominee for CIA Director, CFR member
Sarah Sewell, CFR Member
Ivo Daalder, CFR Member, Brookings Institution
Samantha Power (resigned) Argues for armed intervention in humanitarian crises. Receives funding and awards from the CFR.
citation: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=508336
Her stay in Washington will be funded by the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonprofit group that publishes the influential journal Foreign Affairs. Power won an international affairs fellowship from the Council in 2000, when she was the executive director of the Carr Center, although she delayed taking advantage of the opportunity until this year.Elise Carlson Lewis, a vice president at the Council, said that the international affairs fellowships, which pay fellows to pursue public policy-related interests, are, for recipients, typically “the jumping-off point...to go into higher levels of government.” Past fellows have included Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, who made the switch from academia to government after she received a Council fellowship in 1986."
Jay Rockefeller, Bush's pointman and coverup artist on FISA usurpation and corporate protection for the telecoms. So they can spy on you for just about anything. Son of John D. Rockefeller, nephew of David Rockefeller
and several other CFR-Trilateralist-Skull-n-Bones elitist scumbags parading around as alternatives in this mockery of an election in a mockery of a Republic.
Air Force General McPeak, HW Bush appointee, 2000 Bush campaign connected, master-mind of "bomb-now, die later" campaign in Iraq war 1, gives General LeMay a run for Humanitarian of Year for air campaigns, had a hand in Indonesia's bombing in East Timor... all around good guy, if you are a war-criminal and sick murdering bastard...estimated to have sortied 150,000 missions in Gulf War (you do the math on the dead, how about a minimum of 1 dead per sortie and go from there...)
and now CFR member Richardson adds to the mix...
yeah, Change is a coming, change is a coming.
you do know that Dick Cheney used to be Director of the Council on Foreign Relations, don't you...
Why wasn't McCain kept in the silent zone while Obama was having his dialogue last night. According to CNN, McCain arrived late after Obama was on stage. What a sleezey event. They sent Obama out in the lions den and let McCain chew on the meat and spit it out like he was giving quick answers. I just don't trust the whole event.
Remember when they wired P. Bush at one of the debates '04, (The bulge in his suit jacket)?
Not trusting a bit!
Hmmm...
perpetual war is an empire's ruin, the Romans found that out long before we did.
Ah, who am I kidding, the dipshits in Washington will never figure out that it can happen as easy to the US as to Rome...
War is good for the US to solidify its position as the world's richest 3rd world country. No joke, you're screwed.
Remember when the talking point to prove McCain's unique maverick-ness was that no one can point to a single issue on which Obama broke with his party? (And can you vote in lockstep nearly half the time???)
General_Rennenkampf @ 16:
how many hundreds of years did Rome grow, prosper, and survive as an Empire before it collapsed?
seriously @ 7:
Let me help:
"Barrack Obama's Afghanistan and Iraq policies are mirror images of each other. Obama wants to send 10,000 extra U.S. troops to Afghanistan, but wants to withdraw all American soldiers and Marines from Iraq on a short timetable. In contrast to the kid gloves with which he treated the Iraqi government, Obama repeated his threat to hit at al-Qaida in neighboring Pakistan unilaterally, drawing howls of outrage from Islamabad." - Juan Cole, Salon, 7/23/08
Its pretty clear that the so-called "Global War on Terror" is a fraud but Obama is all for it...in Afghanistan:
"When I am president, we will wage the war that has to be won." But Obama's rhetoric still suggests that he too will be spending his term as a war president. And his "comprehensive strategy" for that war, while it calls for "getting out of Iraq and onto the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan," still implies that the Illinois senator believes the war on terror should be the overarching framework for his foreign policy. -Michael Hirsch, Newsweek
Nice ad but but I'm afraid flashy spots like this might not do it this time. I've spent much time recently in Pennsylvania taking care of an elderly relative, and McCain ads are running non-stop, all over the place on these small mom & pop radio stations. The spots probably cost the McCain campaign only a couple of hundred bucks, but they are swaying opinion here in McCain's direction.
Truth B Told @ 19:
As an empire? Depends on how "collapse" is defined, the first collapse started around 35 BC and ended with the rise of Augustus. The second collapse came in the 200s, and the third collapse in the West in 476. Perpetual war is nothing good for an empire, and it's everything bad.
It violates common sense.
McChoagans Heros
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=49wOzZdWWYM&NR=1
"End the war responsibly"
Translation: I'm a flip flopper, I just said those things before to win on the primaries.
C&L fan @ 18:
Even a broke clock (Bush) is right twice a day.
Ok the primaries are over.
The day after the DNC Obama better start getting nasty and the day after the RNC he had better use half his money on a media blitz.
BTW next time lets have the DNC after the RNC.
Johnny2BadObamasLikeEveryOtherLyingPowerHungryPolitician @ 20:
Is that guy out of his goddamned mind?
I'd rather invade Iran than Pakistan, I mean...
Just invading Iran collapses our economy. Invading Pakistan destroys any chance of the US ever rebuilding itself.
And if we are doing what is not working, we must do more of it with ever increasing testicular fortitude!
Funny Gramps should mention at last night's "interviews" that $3 million studies on Bear DNA are friviolous, but $10 Billion per month is necessary for a war based on Bush lies.
dumbstruck @ 4:
Yeah, me too.
I can think of about 50 policy things I do not like about Obama.
I need to think of only one thing I do not like about McCain, ... he's a republican.
Jesus fuckity fuck.
Don't you realize that nobody, NOBODY, gets within sniffing distance of the White House w/o the corporate stamp of approval on their ass?
Don't you people get it?
Truth B Told @ 1:
Werd! Too true!
16 General_Rennenkampf
What about the Pax Romana?
And toward the end they were dependent on foreign troops in the Legion, because the average Roman wasn't interested in fighting anymore.
Truth B Told @ 1:
what elite? How many homes do McCain and very rich wife own? Better get a better definition of elite.At least the Obama's bith came modest backgroung and acheived thru brains & hard work, how did McCain get his?
angryspittle @ 31:
Yeah, I get it. That's why I'm voting Democrat again. If everyone joins me, maybe we can change the status quo.
gbear @ 11:
I just finished reading about it here: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/17/warren-mccain-did-not-vi...
Oh jesus, What elite??
The US Senate is made up of 100 mambers.
In a fucking nation of 300 million.
What elite?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Actually now that I think of it Rome was increasingly multi-cultural, with diverse faiths the last few decades before it fell. Might be a pure coincidence but we find ourselves that way now. Why, look at me, I'm not worshipping the state God.
This is exactly what needs to be said. Tell me if you haven't heard everyone you know mention the profits of the oil companies. The connection to McCain is clear, obvious and linked into the disasterous economic plan that McC would adopt. It hits home. Its clear and it sets the frame of discussion where it should be on the Oil Indisutry, Jobs, the Cost of the war and the McC/Bush connection. This is a home run. Not in a funny or witty or interesting way, but its exactly the right thing to say at the right time.
Truth B Told @ 5:
You were anything but clear. Academically speaking, you were absolutely vague and I sincerely doubt you can cite any credible evidence to back up your allegedly-hip cynicism. Rage Against the Machine and all that. The truth is of course way more complicated and nuanced than you would make it out to be, since this post-punk, esoteric and ironic aloof attitude does not permit that sort of analysis.
General_Rennenkampf @ 27:
Let me tell you something. I am not so stupid as to believe that Obama is the second coming of Christ. I know he will not do everything that I hope he will do. I know he will let me down on issues that I believe in with all my heart. I know he has beliefs that I don’t agree with and that he will be forced to do things that even he does not want to do but has to do for reasons that I cannot even know right now. When Clinton was elected I was hoping that he would be a whole lot more than what he was. He did a lot of things that I passionately disagreed with. In fact when it was all said and done I felt he let me down. But, BUT he left this country in a whole lot better shape than the country he inherited. And this country was in a whole lot better shape than it is now. You may understand that Obama is not going to be everything to you but I cannot even imagine what this country would be like with four more years of Bush/McCan’t. I CAN imagine how much better off we would be if somebody other than Bush had been put in office in 2000 and 2004. With this perspective I cannot understand how anybody, especially on the left, could ever consider voting for McLost In The Weeds. Putting Obama down at this point is nowhere. The alternative is worse than you can imagine. Look at what McSame has said and done in the last few months. How he has changed his ideas. And his stance on the war. The things he has said about it. Put it all together and I cannot understand how anybody could give McSenile more than two seconds of thought. Go ahead and bash Obama but think about the alternative.
Once again, the McCain campaign goes off-message, this time asserting (absurdly) that Obama voted with Bush half the time. Does Tucker have or give any proof of this (besides one bill)? No. But it certainly means that the McCain camp can't say both that Obama is the "most liberal senator" AND supporting Bush half the time. Neither is true, as many of you know (those of you voters out there who've done their homework). The hard truth is, though Obama is a progressive, he has slowly moved to the center of the electorate, both in his legislative record and during the presidential campaign season (in terms of political views and proposals).
General_Rennenkampf @ 27:
No, he's a politician and politicians are concerned with one thing: Power and maintaining power. That's why he likes just fine what Cheney and Bush have created: An Imperial Presidency. Hence the FISA cave and the "off the tabling" of any thought of impeachment or rolling back the outrageous thefts of constitutional powers perpetrated by the NeoCons and PNAC.
Tooth B Told: Concern Troll. Don't bother to argue. He isn't familiar with Roman History, though.
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
LOL
Captain Bitter Whiner Hussein Kangaroo @ 41:
Glad to see someone else mention this. I was beginning to feel like the only person who realized that Obama, like any politician, has absolutely no obligation to be everything I want and need in a candidate. That's egocentric thinking. Whether or not Obama would make a good President remains to be seen, but his policies are at least semi-sound and even where I disagree I feel very confident in my knowledge that McCain could literally ruin the United States and thus Obama's the only real choice.
I don't care what anybody else think, McLame just got pwned! Ba ha ha!
this elite crap is so overdone and misused and I believe its because we have a person(OBAMA) who is a good speaker and puts complete sentences together and we after 8 years with "W" are not used to that, its not elitism, folks, its called INTELLIGENCE. Do you really want a person controlling our country that you can sit down and have a beer with or one that can sit down with other heads of state and present america's case with dignity, calm strength backed with facts, not lies and smart enough to know the difference. We have had Dufus, now I want brains.
How bout perpetrating a series of frauds against the public purse under the thinly disguised veil of political policies, to wit, a tremendous increase in military and defense expenditures, in order to try to defeat the "Evil Empire" of the Soviet Union again?
Hire security consultant firms to put together proposals for estimated usage of weapons, etc, but since they know the weapons are never going to work, they know it is meaningless anyway.
In addition, we'll need the "spare parts industry" that goes along with the Bush McBush Cabal, which increases the cost of spare parts (which don't work) by ten or twenty times.
As Marlin Fitzwater used to say about the Cold War, " That's something we fat bald old Republicans understand."
General_Rennenkampf @ 16:
The people you're talking about don't care about America. They just want to take as much of our money as they can, and let the rest burn.
Then they'll shift through the ashes to fine out if anything valuable is left.
That's the way these people operate. It's been that way for a long, long time.
camille frances @ 34:
Oh for God's sake,
McSame and his wife aren't even close to being the elite. They - in the Grand Scheme of Things - are but middle management. They are effective go-betweens and eventual scapegoats for the peasants to blame their misfortunes - and their perceived incompetencies on.
You only view them as elite because you view them from such a distance financially. But just as you are separated by the McCains by hundreds of millions of $$$, so the McCains are separated from the elite by similar gaps of fortune and power.
The elite are the billionaires and especially the trillionaires.
I understand Obama's better than the alternative, and I'll still vote for him in November, but Jebus Cribes, invading Pakistan's an order of magnitude of stupidity greater than the mess we have now.
I'm hoping that's a distortion, not the real thing.
Meat @ 40:
go read Carroll Quigley's works, such as Tragedy and Hope and the Anglo-American Establishment on the elite and how they captured this nation.
This elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public and keeping society under close surveillance and control.”
That's why all the security and snoop folks are in China now, studying ways to 'implement' tighter 'security controls' on a mobile semi-transient population. First thing, they put up 300 THOUSAND new security cameras--the kind they weren't supposed to sell to Chinese 'law enforcement,' but the kind they can sell to Chinese "anti-terrorism" forces...
China will be/is the experimental lab in which all the newest and most intrusive of population management 'technologies' are being tested...
What the Chinese people underwernt in Beijing and the rst of China this week and next will be a template for the future of 'national security' everywhere else within 5 years....
Hahaha! R-McCain is making plans to bomb Irak for making profits!
Captain Bitter Whiner Hussein Kangaroo @ 41:
"...putting Obama down"? ..."bashing" him?
Look, I'm sick of the sycophants (not you) trying to tell me he's the "change we've been waiting for". He ain't. Plus...He simply is who he is. I can't change that. I can only point out his stated positions and let people figure it out on their own. Not many here respond with anything substantive other than the "troll" meme so yours response is appreciated. But the "better than McCain thing is wearing thin. I understand folk's unwillingness to look at Obama under a bright light. We do that all the time in this country. If you look at the thread from last night's "interviews" you'll see mostly praise of Obama's style and eloquence. That stuff is meaningless. The truth is that we have nominated a Clinton clone with a (much) better marketing plan and a (great) way with words. On many, many issues that he's taken since the primaries, I'm in sharp disagreement: FISA, Pro-NAFTA, No impeachment, The Afghanistan surge, More faith-based $$, Off-shore drilling. Its just too many to ignore. Should I just look the other way?
I know McCain would be worse. (Duh.) But let's not delude ourselves into thinking the imminent collapse of the American empire is going to be any easier, slower in coming or in any way less devastating with free trading, fossil fueled, corporate cheerleader like Obama at the helm. You may be willing to overlook all of that and reduce some fair criticism to "bashing"....but I'm not buying it.
It sounds like Obama and a lot of Americans (msm anyway) are up set that Iraq is making money with Iraq's oil. If America cant afford to fix that country, get the fuck out.
Barack Obama ...Rebuilding the Middle Class
A real cheerful bunch tonight.
"TRUTH B TOLD" sez (above, #51) that the real elites are WAAAY above the level of McCain and his wife.
I do partly agree with that one assertion of his... and I would put THE BIN-LADEN FAMILY... AND THE BUSH-CRIME FAMILY into that super-elite category. The Bin Ladens for their wealth and economic and religious influence around the world... and the Bushes because of their BLOOD-CURDLING ability to control political thought and movement within the USA.
Where "TRUTH..." gets that wrong is that McCain is also part of that elite crowd because of his combination of military and political history. He carries "cross-over influence" in both worlds... and a couple of hundred-million dollars from a good marriage doesn't hurt either.
Obama is the one that doesn't even get close to "TRUTH'S" suggested definition... and he can go on all day regarding Obama's relationships and associations. He begins to sound like a Sean Hannity RANT about the Reverand Wright... however, that's how the Republicans assassinate character and win elections.
When they repeat their lies often enough, the lies become conventional wisdom.
Good to see the Obama camp finally stepping up the plate with that ad. Can't just let the neocons, lobbyists and Klansmen get away with running all those bullshit attack ads - nicely done.
"TRUTH B TOLD" is an oxymoron.
Johnny2BadObamasLikeEveryOtherLyingPowerHungryPolitician @ 56:
What I tend to do is when either of theses jokers says something or one of their surrogates say something I turn it around to see how I feel. For example. When McShame says that Obama is an elitists I look at McTwelve Homes and check out how he lives and how he got to where he got and whamo. McHypocrite is the elitist. I can do the same with Obama. When Obama says he has a plan for our energy problem like he did last week some time I listened to him and I turned it around to what McAsshole has said and done and I see Obama makes sense. He says drilling might have to be part of the process but he also throws other things into the mix (solar, better auto tech, holds up California’s example over the past 10-15 years and other things). McSame says drill, drill, drill and don’t for get nuclear energy and McSenile says Obama is against nuclear. That’s it. Over. By the way Oil Corp. gave me (McLobbyist) $2,000,000 last week Heh heh. I ask myself why. Obama is against nuclear because there are huge questions about waste and security and other parts of it so I ask myself who is being more honest. In the end for every subject, I can find absolutely no reason to vote for McSame. As much of a cliché it is I have much more hope with Obama.
I hope I have made some sense here.
Noah @ 60:
so then why is Obama singing the same song regarding Afghanistan? Essentially the same song about Iraq? And why does Obama buy the BS about the phony war on Terror?
And why oh why is Obama going along with all the neocons and MIC fronts that are demonizing Russia when it was Georgia that instigated the recent US sponsored terrorist attack in S Ossetia?
is Obama that insulated from the Truth? You think that insulation will get thicker when he becomes President or will it all just slide away and the Divine Light beams upon his head?
Truth B Told @ 5:
GOOD Magazine recently did a guide to a bunch of the types of group you mention. For the most part, they're not really that powerful, or at least no more powerful than one would expect a collection of rich, well-connected, motivated people to be. Click here for the link.
Truth B Told @ 62:
To answer just one of your questions:
If Obama ignored the war on terror or acted like it did not exist or even told the truth as we know it Joe Sixpack and Betty Winebox and Middle America would never ever even consider voting for the exotic guy.
Thrillhouse @ 63:
that article wouldn't even qualify for a high school book report.
I submit Prof Carroll Quigley trumps this Good Magazine.
Truth B Told, part of me really wants to get into an argument with you over some of the stuff you've said, but I'd rather know exactly where you're coming from. In regards to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terror, what would you like to see the next president do if you were the one pulling the puppet strings?
Yeah, I know that article is really brief. It's not exactly the height of academia, but since someone asked for a link, I thought I'd throw it out there as a jumping off point. I looked up Prof. Quigley, and while I couldn't get a lot of details on his views of the controlling Anglo-American elite, I did find this in an overview of his book Tragedy and Hope: "Quigley himself thought that the influence of the Anglo-American elite had slowly waned after World War II and that, in American society after 1965, the problem was that no elite was in charge and acting responsibly." Since he died in 1977, I don't know what he'd make of the current state of the elite. I will definitely check out what I could find, especially the stuff on Russia, so thank you for bringing him to my attention.
Now that I feel I've helped take this thread way off-topic, I'll just say that McCain's camp saying that Obama has been in lockstep with Bush almost half the time is one really weak comeback. If I were in lockstep nearly half the time back in my marching band days, I'd be kicked out for being uncoordinated.
Truth B Told @ 62:
I didn't say anything other than it was nice to see the Obama camp producing a slick attack ad.
FYI, Georgia didn't instigate, the US did by trying to develop oil resources in Russia's back yard.
Next time read the post before spouting off.
Thrillhouse @ 66:
Actually, I'd like to hear what other non-puppet ...or better puppet he had in mind.
My guess is he rhymes with "Don Hall." But that's aiiight.
Yeah, the McCain response is a desperate and childish one at best. It sounds like a six year old, "Oh yeah, y y you you're like Bush. yeah! you are! "
Bottom line is that we have only two choices. Nothing else will change that prior to November unless we are nuked and G.W. the decider decides on a third term which our congress already pre-approved. I would rather see Obama as president than McSame. But if Obama wins...will our sitting president force a third term?
Noah @ 67:
Georgia didn't instigate? while the US was there training and equiping the Georgians - it was the Georgians who shelled, and dropped the bombs on S Ossetia. But don't think for a minute that the US (or NATO) didn't know what was in the works. You think Georgia isn't surveilled electronically? The US had to one way or the other greenlight the operation.
Also, this wasn't about developing oil resources. It was about denying Russia access to them, it was about encirclement. Try reading Brzezinski's works on the subject - especially the Caucuses in his work the Grand Chessboard. What happened was straight out of there.
Truth B Told @ 70:
I'll pretty much agree here. Georgia is ultimately responsible for firing first even, as seems pretty clear, there was a good amount of outside encouragement.
Truth B Told @ 70:
LOL -- So anxious to rant and rave you still haven't read my original post. As to instigation (from globalsecurity.org):
"Russia sent tanks and troops to South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Georgia launched a major military offensive to reclaim the breakaway republics. This was the culmination of months of escalation by both sides. Russia saw the events in South Ossetia in the larger context of a widening confrontation with the West, and in particular the United States."
(Georgia & Oil, from globalsecurity.org):
"The success of these projects would end an almost century-old Russian stranglehold on the oil and gas resources of the Caspian. An international campaign was waged questioning the benefits of BP's Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in an effort to avoid a "zone of sacrifice" there. The new pipelines are clearly is meant to weaken the influence of Russia in the region and therefore are regarded as hostile by the Russian Government. Moscow might choose to cause more trouble in the Caucasus. It has fomented rebellions in the past and can do so again. Georgia, through which the new pipeline would pass, is particularly vulnerable."
Instigation here is clearly by the US, even more so if you buy the CIA - Saakashvili story.
it's tiime for two things to occur. first it's time to take off the gloves. obama needs to utilize all the facts at this disposal and all of the expertise that he can muster to put together simple soundbites for middle america. secondly, it is time to separate the conservative plants whose job it is to muckrake this site with their innuendos and thinly veiled support of mccain. no matter that we were kucinich supporters or hillary people, the time has come to support the chosen candidate. we need to quite tearing him down and support him so that he will in turn destroy the bush clone. the best we can do at this time is to show obama the way to attack and then to unleash him with him articulate ways on this pretend candidate mccain who just feels his way through the day.
Obama came out swinging today and that's what he needs to do. The rightwingers are lying and disparaging his record, he's got to forceful, and not so professorial. Today was a good start.
I'm John McBush and I'm Ready to Die!
McBush thinks that the middle class is a class between History and Math!
We seem to be in need of some education here. The Republicans have, by their borrow and spend economics, enacted an "inflation tax". The idea of financing wars, not by taxing the demographics that support it, but instead of financing a war by borrowing so that future generations pay for it is a Republican fundamental tenet.
McCain has a program called "rouge state rollback". First question needs to be is how he intends to pay for it. By borrowing and leaving the payback to future generations, probably through the inflation tax?
As far as Iraq is concerned, the party who inflicted the damage to Iraq should pay for it. Kofi Annan has already declared the war to be illegal, so why isn't the U.S. liable to Iraq for damages as Iraq is liable to Kuwait for damages for gulf war 1? It's irrelevant that Iraq is selling oil for a profit. Since I suppose most Americans don's want to pay for the damages of their illegal actions, the Bush policies have essentially made America an outlaw nation. Don't we look a little funny lecturing Russia?
My guess is that Cheney's energy policy conference, which occurred before Sept 11, 2001, envisioned an invasion of Iraq. The $64 thousand question is, of course, is whether it also envisioned an invasion of Afghanistan?
Truth B Told @ 1:
...oh vey, and McCain's not.
Anyhow, it's about time Obama came up with a 'punch slogan' - although it may displease some of the poor.
Shannon @ 10:
I think this economic downturn is the perfect time to defeat the "class warfare" meme once and for all. Obama might be the one to do it.
Obama has waited so long to show the public who McCain really is that he has frittered away the lead that George Bush gave him. The election will be more close than was necessary. I keep hearing reports about Obama having all this money. Why isn't he using it? Was he waiting until after the convention, or was he taking his lead for granted, or is his campaign not as savvy as it looked during the primaries? For a long time I was seeing 5 or 10 McCain ads before I would see anything from Obama. I'm tired of Republican presidents. I don't want to see another one.
nin-mofo @ 3:
McSame is one of the elitist! Get a clue.
Everything harms the ecoomy, eventually. The economy moves in cycles. An economic expansion and contraction complete a cycle. Always has, always will. Every boom results in a bust. Threfore every boom harms the economy. Saying that that McCain's war policy is harming the economy, in rather absurd in that context. You might as well say that peace harms the economy.
Hurting the economy is only a small part of the damage that McCains anti-American war policy has done to America.
someguy @ 25:
The flim flam man Obama is also a hypocrite! He has the nerve to complain and criticize McCain when he does the same. Take oil contributions, just because he receives LESS oil monies thats ok for him! Yes, he does vote with the Bush Administration, even on furthering the Iraq war effort. I'm wondering why we listen to the deluded Obama anymore, who speaks with fork tongue?! Ex Democrat
Vivienne Avare @ 84:
"SOMEGUY AT 25" COMMENT IS MIXED IN WITH MY NAME? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN ?
check above 9:38AM and again 9:19 AM (84 & 86
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I already read the article from last week about McCain wanting to label Obama as a "job killer," and exactly that phrase is used in this article. So, this is old. What's your next catch-phrase, McCain?
Vivienne Avare @ 85:
Obviously a bitter Hilary supporter. So go ahead and vote for McSame, genius.
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