McCain Helped Break It, So He Owns It
By Steve Hynd Sunday Aug 17, 2008 4:20pmWho has the better judgement, the man who advocated a Surge that had a minor role in saving Iraq from being an even bigger disaster or the man who said we shouldn't embark on that disastrous war to start with?
Matt Duss writes: "The good news is we have Al Qaeda on the ropes in Iraq. The bad news is we allowed Iraq to become a sanctuary (and recruiting poster and training ground and sectarian killing field) to start with, by invading Iraq."
McCain helped create the war in Iraq and, like many another war-booster, predicted it would be a cakewalk. He wants us to ignore his terrible judgement of 2001-2003 and is careful to only talk about 2007 onwards as if the rest happened in a different dimension. Now that better COIN tactics and a lotof help from folks who used to shoot at US troops have reduced violence but done nothing to usher in a new era of Iraqi reconciliation, he wants us to ignore all that and credit a small increase in troop numbers which he happened to support for "victory".
The mainstream media seem willing to do just that, but that's no reason why he and they should get a free ride.
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First??? EEVER...
Yes, he owns it.
Don't you mean, "McCain Helped Break It, So He Pwns It"?
You bloggers need to come to some agreement on your terminology!
Support a man that voted for the largest foreign policy blunder in the history of the nation, or one that voted against it. If I'm a complete idiot I vote for the first man. If rather, I have some brains, I vote for the second. I got the feeling most will vote the way idiots always seem to vote.....
Amazing that a key supporter of one of the biggest blunders in U.S. history is running on his "experience", plus he's old, he's not smart, and he makes bad decisions consistently.
So why is this person running for President, and who in the hell is considering voting for him?
"The good news is we have Al Qaeda on the ropes in Iraq."
Would it be more accurate to have said, '...we have Al Qaeda-in-Iraq on the ropes in Iraq?
"The mainstream media seem willing to do just that, but that’s no reason why he and they should get a free ride."
Yes, it is.
American voters know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
"The mainstream media seem willing to do just that, but that’s no reason why he and they should get a free ride."
He and the media will get a free ride because both are owned by the right-wing media machine. If you spent a quarter century buying up the MSM why in the world would you use it against yourself? Why does anyone expect the truth from the MSM anymore?
When McCain was speaking in Orlando today he waded back into the pond suggesting that Obama would rather lose a war and win an election. I didn't hear him say those exact words but the thought was clearly there.
He also had a cow telling the audience the surge was working and that it had worked and yep, he had that bizarre grin on his face all the while. He tried to be all dramatic and all as he kept repeating, the surge is working. It was one of those times when you almost feel embarrassed for him.
Has anyone asked him if he regrets vote to invade Iraq?
pissed off patricia @ 8:
And when the cow spoke did it say, "MOOOOve on folks nothing to see or hear. All is well."?
Saturday, speaking at Saddleback McCain said:
"My friends, we spent $3 million of your money to study the DNA of bears in Montana. Now I don't know if that was a paternity issue or a criminal issue, but the point is it was $3 million of your money,"
What he failed to follow that up with is that we spend $3 million every
in Iraq. Disgusting that my $$ is going to that, I'd rather spend the money advancing science instead of killing Iraqi's!
Wait -- before The Surge (TM), the war hawks warned that if we left Iraq, there would be violent ethnic cleansing.
Before, during, and after The Surge (TM), there has been nearly complete ethnic cleansing.
Who exactly was right again?
I t-t-t-tinyDHIM in charge of programming or what passed for it - over at "n"pr?
All they've been doing is bellyaching about Guantanamo and the "war on terror" as if it was all a huge over-reaction.
I love their argument which they keep repeating over and over again - that we should treat them as we want them to treat our soldiers if they were captured.
Scumbag traitors ignoring the FACT that they first torture then behead any of our soldiers who happen to fall into their satanic hands.
Just as long as the "evil" United States does everything by the U.nited N.azis playbook!
Just as long as they can make it as DIFFICULT as possible to WIN!
Dirtbag libs...
Posted by: Ummah Gummah | August 18, 2008 at 12:55 PM
@ Monica Crowley's website - www.monicamemo.com
Today, McC*nt ripped into Obama for not admitting the "success" of Iraq.
Am I living in the bizarro world?????
Leave it to the GOP to take a trillion dollar fuckup like the Iraq invasion and twist it into a positive. They're actually trying to put Obama on the defensive on this issue.
Are you kidding me???
Of course, most Americans are so damn dumb this unbelievable tactic will probably work.
beancounter @ 7:
I think we get a little carried away with the coporate conspiracy view of the MSM press sometimes. There's a better explanation for most of the behavior exhibited by the MSM "journalists".
Laziness.
Iraq vet here. It's really sickening to me that McCain continues to play this "the surge worked" card, as if the gigantic clusterfuck in Iraq has been erased, and that he didn't endorse that same clusterfuck. About the surge....first of all, it's obvious to anyone who has bothered to keep up on the facts that violence is down in large part because Baghdad (and most of the the rest of the country) has finally been ethnically-cleansed into isolated sectarian ghettos, so the opportunity for sectarian violence is dramatically reduced regardless of the number of troops. Second, we are paying these "Concerned Citizens of Iraq" or "Awakening Councils" (whatever the hell they're calling them nowadays) tons of money to basically NOT attack our troops. What happens when (if) we leave? Think those guys are going to enjoy not receiving those paychecks anymore? Think the Shia controlled government and army are going to welcome them into the security forces with open arms? And good thing we're spending $10 billion a month...we all know we don't need that money back here at home. The next asshole (McCain?) who says I want defeat because I am an Obama supporter is going to get his ass kicked.
Music Snob @12
Win what?
Let us not forget that we are now suffering in Afghanistan because of this strategic blunder called Iraq and the Surge. This as well as depleting our human military forces to the point of breaking. Yeah, we may have gotten rid of Al-qaeda Iraq, but in the process have made Al-qaeda worldwide that much stronger, especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now Grampa Mcwar wants to get it on with Russia. Hope he has those new robot forces ready 'cause I don't think anyone in this country is going to go for the draft necessary to replenish our fighting men and women.
...oh, ye mighty surge; i diss thee; i diss thee; i disseth thee much! now, if i could only talk like the great Ian McKlellen.
words of McCain - 2003
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St. McCain was right about the surge, and America is now winning the war in Iraq. And don't worry about Afghanistan, we'll just do a surge there and we'll be winning by this time next year.
Frybread @ 20:
I'm sorry, but did your parents have any children that lived??
Obama needs to hit back hard on McCain's surge issue vs. Obama's stand against the Iraq war before it started. McCain voted for that war; before the war started, he made comments on aircraft carriers, on the Letterman show, etc. that "Baghdad is up next." MCCAIN WANTED WAR BEFORE IT STARTED IN IRAQ! McCain also at one time said he thought Cheney and Rumsfeld would be good in his cabinet. WHERE THE HELL WAS JOHN MCCAIN'S JUDGEMENT WHEN HE MADE THESE STATEMENTS??????????
The good news is we have the fire 48% contained. The bad news is we started the fire.
progressives need to frame the iraq disaster as a loss for bush and the GOP and not allow them to frame it as a loss for the troops because the Dems want to pull out.
but Dems can't frame an outhouse as long as the GOP rules the radio airwaves and can use it's coordinated uncontested repetition to 60MIL to launder whatever lies and talking points it wants to the rest of the MSM.
bitter cheesesauce whine and crackers @ 9:
Yes, he milked it for all it was worth.
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