Possible bad news for Lieberman
By John Amato Monday Aug 18, 2008 4:00pmThe Associated Press calls Democrats' odds of winning a 60-seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate a "realistic shot."
Democrats have solid chances of winning five seats, according to strategists in both parties and public polls, and realistic shots at picking off another three to five Republican senators. Republicans have only one good opportunity for replacing a Democrat, in Louisiana.
Let us pray...(h/t Billw)
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MN and MS should be our next biggest targets.
And if Connecticut has learned it's lesson, we should pick up Lieberman's seat once that election is held.
If the Dems pull that off I won't feel quite as bad is Buffalo Chip McSurge wins. With only 11 weeks to go, Im still waiting for Obama and the Dems to start the attack. We're not just fighting McCain, were fighing McCain and the (liberal!) Media.
Little has been done about election fraud, so I don't think there's any way in hell that the Democrats will pick up that many seats.
Pray?!
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given the complete failure of the dems most recently elected on a "stop the war" platform that they immediately backed away from, this story seems a bit optimistic.
though Miss. "impeachment is off the table" would have you believe they are doing a fine job.
In Virginia Mark Warner (D) will in all likelihood replace retiring Senator John Warner (R).
In the latest poll Mark Warner holds a 61% to 35% lead over Jim Gilmore (R).
Go Blue Virginia!
Let us work for the change we want to see.
CatAtomic @ 4:
Don't know about "election fraud", but it is unrealistic to believe that Dems will pick
up sufficient "new' seats to have a veto proof Senate. Tho admittedly not an expert
on such matters, I'd venture to guess that after Nov, the make-up of the U.S. Senate
will be 55 Dems, 2 Independents(if one is willing to consider LIEberman as an Independent) and 43 Republicans.
circularreasoning @ 6:
Cindy Sheehan For Congress
Bye Bye Pelosi!!
Getting this filibuster proof majority should be and probably is as big a challenge as is winning the Presidency. Replacing Nancy "off the table" Pelosi wouldn't be a bad thing either.
I'm hoping Tom Allen will take the place of Susan Collins.
Have my fingers crossed...and might even say a prayer, who knows.
The "true republican" needs to start a new party, away from the corruption, sell-out, greedy and fanatical party that now exists.
Being a life-long Democrat, I can understand many of the "true republican" agendas. Doesn't mean I agree, but at least they are focused on the good of the country.
The repug/fascist party today is out for corporations and the wealthy...end of sentence. The poor fools that are small business owners, or want smaller government and more responsible spending are getting it in the back while they support them in the ballot booth. Chumps.
Tell me ONE THING the repug/fascist party has done today for the good of the middle class? And please...don't give me any of that bullshit about "keeping America safe" crap. We ALL do that. Nobody wants to be vulnerable to a terrorist attack again, contrary to what the idiots at the propaganda network would have you think.
I think old fred thompson would make a remarkably good vp on the mcAncient ballot. Two bumbling old knot heads that don't know squat about anything. They are going to have the corporate hand up their ass working their mouths and eyeballs anyway, so it makes no difference how empty headed or experienced they might be. It's been up the chimps ass since day one, except they had to deal with darth cheney as well, so they haven't had "free reign". But they certainly made out well.
But if the democrats get a majority and the white house, who can they blame for being so useless?
Get Uncle Ted
Gary @ 14:
Answer: "The stupid voters who elected them."
Here's a question.
are the net roots willing to support a candidate who's against abortion and gay marriage if he's an economic populist who's out spokenly against the Iraq war and is the only chance of winning that Senate seat?
If the democrats run an effective campaign, highlighting the war against working American's, and how the super rich and corporations have raped this country, they should EASILY win 8-10 Senate seats.
Unfortunately, running an effective campaign is not their strong suit.
Bad news for Lieberman = good news for America.
Let's work for it. You know what to do. Something.
someguy @ 17:
May I inquire as to who specifically you are referring?
"The Associated Press calls Democrats’ odds of winning a 60-seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate a “realistic shot.” "
Given the abyssmal performance of the current Dems in Congress, this should make the GOP very happy.
surfjac @ 11:
Sent Cindy Sheehan some money yesterday-
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
Probably won't do much good, but you can write to Nancy here-
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
-it's good to harass her, at least.
Gary @ 14:
If the above happens, the attacks from the right wing shrill machine will be relentless. But, if we balance the budget again, assist the middle class and start on the road to REAL growth...in jobs and wages. Then even a blowjob scandal won't stop us this time.
Hulk @ 13:
You may be in the wrong place if you're really looking for an argument on this point.
Don't get too excited. The statistical gurus at FiveThirtyEight.com put the probability of the Democrats getting 60 Senate seats at about 10%.
Let's see if the media focuses on the multi billion surplus that Iraq is running in its budget.
Hulk @ 13:
But America is safer! Why, I can't even remember the last time I saw a dangerous lion or tiger walking in the streets. Voting for the democrats would be to let the tigers win.
I don't want my kids eaten!
OT: Politico is reporting that McLame is seriously considering Joe Lieberman as his
V.P. choice. Really, that just has to be a joke of some kind wouldn't you think? My
gosh, McLame is going to loose big time come Nov. and putting LIEberman on the ticket
will make it only that much worse.
I am not a religious man, but, yes, I will pray. Hell, if that focus on the family nut can pray that it rains on Obama's speech next week; if those nuts can pray that the price of oil/gas can go down, and then it does go down; then I sure as hell can pray that the Dems win the filibuster-proof majority!
Geeez, not much McCain news this week.
I guess he's resting from that terrible ordeal of having to speak without a teleprompter.
In all reality, the chances of getting a 60-seat majority in the Senate this year aren't that strong. We're "realistically" looking at hitting 55, 56 seats. So it's not so much worth trumpeting the "possible" numbers now.
However, the cycle of Senators runs 6 years. The Dems picked up several Senators two years ago, they're going to pick up several again in this term, and if the American public continues to see the Democratic party as being the solution to problems in government, then that means that the final third of Senate elections that will come up in 2010, that's where the Dems have a very serious chance to steamroll the Senate with a filibuster-proof majority.
If the GOP loses five seats this cycle, they're going to need to honestly ask themselves what they can do to keep from losing another five seats in the next set.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 30:
I'd join you, but don't know who to pray to...Homer, Thor, or Zeus?
CatAtomic @ 4:
Here is a site you can go to for any areas where you think might be in danger of election fraud. Just email your suspicions and the will take note of them and watch them.
http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=crew@blackboxvoting.org
CatAtomic @ 4:
They're highly overrated in the fraud department. Electronic voting has been scaled back a lot, and even before they were always much better at suppression than actual cheating. And the Obama campaign is pushing back hard against challenges to voter registration, so I'm not too worried about that.
Doggiebobo @ 33:
Let's all put our hand on the screen together and pray to the great mystical Smudge.
I really hope this happens.... so that you die hard democrats will finally learn that this party is as equally corrupt as the other.
Doggiebobo @ 29:
Hell, I assumed a McCane presidency automatically included LIEberschlepper and Queen Graham in a Republican "4-for 1."
Of course, I want to believe that, come November 8th, millions of untold voters will go to the polls and resoundingly and unflinchingly vote out the Republicans in stunning, never before seen numbers thereby showing up all the pollsters, pundits and Media in a humiliating and embarrassing fashion.
But the more I think about it, this has got to be the best "wishful thinking" story of the summer.
Tim @ 37:
They think you're stupid and in your case they might be right. That doesn't mean that all of us are.
Tim @ 37:
Maybe so, but at least we get table scraps.
The GOP cannibalizes the feast, then uses a dust buster to scoop up the crumbs for themselves too.
Doggiebobo @ 21:
I'm repeating what I've heard about the Democrat running in MS.
the latest polls show him just 4% behind his opponant.
That's enough for the net roots to shift if we really want to see this war end.
Tim @ 37:
Yes, corruption is an equal opprtunity employer but I can't imagine that a 2001 Gore administration would have taken the country to war in Iraq. That just would not have happened.
Tim @ 37:
And we can only really change the way our current corrupt political system works by getting the candidates in there who will work for the people of the USA. The old guard Dems are every bit as corrupt as the Repigs, but putting up serious challenges in primaries to these congress critters and holding their feet to the fire as much as possible is the only way to change things.
Here I am! Rock you like hurricane!
That is great news.
someguy @ 42:
+we'd get the economy unscrewed as well!
theWalrus @ 39:
It is a wish/dream a lot of us are having...It's the youth of today who can make our
dream come true
theWalrus @ 43:
Good point, but you're wasting time with these people. They said the exact same dumb shit in 2000 claiming Gore and Bush were no different....zero logic.
There is a possible scenario by which LIEberman holds onto his committee chairmanship and that would be if the Democrats come up one seat short of a fillibuster proof majority. Of course, in that case there would have to be some agreement reached with LIEberman that he would not side with Republicans when they fillibuster.
fuck praying!... vote!!
Why does 60 have to be the magical number? The GOP made it quite clear that they were going to go nuclear if the Democrats didn't keep their powder dry some more. And since when have the Republicans every worried about keeping their powder dry? The log jam that is the US Senate needs to be unjammed if we're ever going to get this country working again, so I say let's get rid of the filibuster before the GOP does it or at least reduce it to the number of Democratic Senators we manage to elect in Nov.
someguy @ 1:
Here in Mississippi (MS) a Democratic PAC is airing very effective ads against Roger Wicker, the Republican Congressman who was appointed to fill Trent Lott's seat (ahem) until November. Wicker's opponent is Ronnie Musgrove, a fairly popular former governor who has a lot more statewide recognition than Wicker. Musgrove could take this one.
Tim @ 37:
Ooh, you're so wise in the ways of the world. Tell us more
Check out this piece from a fellow Academy member and POW, about the McCain POW hype and reality (both at the Academy, where McCain's name kept him from getting booted), and as a POW. And let's spread it around...why not? http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html
Lieberman, don't worry your day will come, the dems. are waiting patiently for it...
Rusty The One Shackleford @ 52:
The Musgrove is about 52.
Get him elected in old Miss and he'll drive the GOP crazy for at least a quarter century.
But he's not ahead right now and he needs help to get elected.
we'll see. in 2010, i expect schumer, feinstein, clinton and a few others to support LIEberman.
if you have any doubts about that, go back and remember what happened to ned lamont.
Turn-Coat Joe is little more than a Pentagon "YES" man, he does not serve his party or his citizens from Connecticut. Accept those with war making tool and die companies to supply the Pentagon's Empire. The war mongers everywhere must be taken out of the formula so America can recover from this horrendous disaster called BushCo
Will @ 12:
Tom will do good in southern Maine, not so good up in "the county".
Lieberman IS bad news.
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God is a Democrat and the next election will prove it, praise the Lord!
You might have better luck with MN than Ms. I just came back from Ms and they are having a battle in trying to unseat the Republican incumbent. It seems that it does not matter if he's involved in controversy. It does not matter that there needs to be change there on many issues. Education is at the top of my list and that is one of the reasons I returned to my original state. There are people on the school boards that are there to make sure that minority schools get less in terms of books, classes and qualified teachers. Their schools are in need of repair and they lack equipment to bring it up to parity with schools in my state. The white parents send their kids to well equipped academies while poor blacks and whites get the scraps. It is almost criminal to think that they allow people to sit on their boards whose role is to monitor minority schools and to make sure that the failure rate remain high. Maybe if a Democrat is elected it might make a difference but it still will fall short because of the Republican controlled legislature at the state level.
someguy @ 1:
But how does this affect Lieberman, considering that the Dem party will still have spineless Lieberman-lovers like Harry Reid, and will still have a majority voting right along with the Repub party line.
Remove Lieberman BEFORE the upcoming elections. The Dems need to quit hedging their f*cking bets!!
I will even pray for this. If there is a God, get rid of this ass.
Donate to Jeff Merkley, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Oregon. He's running against Gordon Smith, who's been a real lackey for Bush (voted with him 94% of the time in the first term, and 90% overall). Give whatever you can.
LIARMAN will finally get to COME OUT OF THE CLOSET for the Republican AssSuck he is....
as a man... i am sorry he is a man
as a jew... i am sorry he is a jew
as an american... i am sorry he is an american
a turncoat of the FIRST level....
on the other hand... he makes a pretty good potato pancake
Lieberman should already be in trouble because the Democrats will have enough people when the Senate is back in session. They no longer have to be nice to him. If Reid does not replace Lieberman when the Senate comes back, a grass roots campaign needs to be started to elect a new speaker of the Senate.
Enough with Lieberman. Get rid of this guy for chrissakes.
tony @ 62:
TO HELL with picking one or the other we need both and more to get the 60-seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
MN looks like it's going to elect Albert with out our help.
MS will be a tougher fight.
Even if the dems only pick up 1 little itsy bitsy seat, the should flush the Lieberturd immediately. Let him join the repukes, and spend the last 4 years of his political career pandering for a dying minority party.
Good news today concerning Mary Landrieu's senate campaign in Louisiana.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
say it ain't so joe LIEberman! your days in office, and in a position of charing a committee, will soon come to an end, along with your turncoat neocon fascist buddies in the GOP.
Enjoy your zell miller moment at the RNC convention...I hope it sticks in your craw.
surfjac @ 11:
Putting Pelosi in prison as an accessory and accomlice to the criminal Bush regime would be even better.
Midnight Rambler @ 35:
And yet, Diane Feinstein is co-authoring a bill with an uber-conservative senator that will make it easier to steal elections and harder to prove the theft.
need to know which of the dems are still supporting lieberman. they need to condemn this turncoat loudly and clearly. if they ain't agin him then they're with him. Remember that when you go to the polls.
If you thought the republican obstructionism was bad these last two years, it will only get worse as we get closer to yet not at or over the magic number of 60.
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