Face The Nation: The Democrats Stay On Message!

 

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Bob Schieffer interviewed three Democrats on Face The Nation this morning and all of them were able to cut through the GOP talking points with ease. Governors Ed Rendell, Kathleen Sebelius and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. did a fantastic job of speaking the truths about John McCain, his elite, lavish lifestyle and how out of touch he is with average Americans.

Schieffer plays a clip of John McCain being interviewed by Katie Couric in which he once again, shamelessly exploits his POW experience to make excuses for why he doesn't know how many houses he has.  Again.  But luckily, the Democrats make quick work of him. This is what we need to see and hear every day from every Democratic politician and pundit -- driving home the message over and over again, that John McCain would carry on the same losing policies as George Bush and to elect him would be a disaster for our country.

Jackson: "...We don't want him in the White House. He says he has seven kitchen tables, we don't want to give him an eighth kitchen table.We understand he has a wonderful life, this is a great country, but millions of Americans at this hour are suffering through a housing market that is collapsed. Housing foreclosures. So when John McCain gets up in the morning and leaves his house to lock his door, he has to shuffle through a number of keys to figure out which key works in which door, in which home he's at at any given time."

Rendell: "What concerns me more than not exactly knowing how many homes he has, Bob, and Jesse's right, it shows he's out of touch, but when he said in January that Americans have done well under the George Bush economy, he's so out of touch. Hardly any American except people who make five, six hundred thousand dollars plus have done well under this economy. Wages are down, everything else is up, Americans - middle class, working Americans are getting slaughtered under this economy. How could he have said that?"

Sebelius: "And he wants  to continue those policies.  I think that's the most terrifying thing, he thinks we have done well and he thinks more of the same will do even better.  That's what we have to let Americans know across this country. He- his top financial advisor talked about the fact that it's a mental recession, and we have a nation of whiners. I'd like him to come to towns across Kansas and Pennsylvania and Illinois and see what's really happening in communities."



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Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

Good for you Logan for getting this clip. It was the only thing worth watching on the Sunday morning shows. Each of these speakers was impressive in their own right. They didn't shy away from the facts about McCain.

I would like McCain to live with a family right now who are making moderate wages and striving to make ends meet. Let him live with them for a week to see what their worries are and how they feel about their future. Let reality slap him up side his head so he can see that not everyone has money to burn. Yeah, he was a prisoner of war, but these families are prisoners of the bush economy. They suffer too.

I'm not a whiner

I'm a wino.

pissed off patricia @ 2:

Good for you Logan for getting this clip. It was the only thing worth watching on the Sunday morning shows. Each of these speakers was impressive in their own right. They didn't shy away from the facts about McCain.

I would like McCain to live with a family right now who are making moderate wages and striving to make ends meet. Let him live with them for a week to see what their worries are and how they feel about their future. Let reality slap him up side his head so he can see that not everyone has money to burn. Yeah, he was a prisoner of war, but these families are prisoners of the bush economy. They suffer too.

Well put! I was thinking the same thing and that's why I did the post. All three were dead on and they never let up. Rendell made one mention of McCain's military service, which they all need to stop doing, but otherwise, he was great. They deserved some attention and hopefully serve as a model for all Democrats when they talk about the differences between Obama and McMansion.

What does McCain's explanation have to do with the fact he married for money and his wife inherited hers?

Marry for wealth and inheriting it, not working for it. McCain and his wife are true Republicans.

I don't know how many houses I have because I was a POW.

TheAdviceWeAllNeed @ 1:

Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

damn straight. It will guys like that fat pig and Rovian turd protege Steve Schmidt.

ATTENTION GOP..... you have a couple choices BUT they are mutually exclusive.....

1) john mccain is wealthy but doesn't know how many houses he has because POW experiences damaged his brain
2) john mccain is wealthy but doesn't know how many houses he has because he is clever enough to be president

DAMAGED OR STOOPID..... (could be BOTH but could not be NEITHER)

The perfect trio to put McCain in his place. This is exactly the message we need to start putting out. Hopefully Schieffer was listening to their message and thanks to him for letting them speak without interrupting them as some pundits are prone to do. There is no way Obama/Biden can lose unless the repugs steal another election in November.

Wow these three articulated really well.

I think most of the reason people like McCain, even if they think he's full of shit, is because they feel sorry for him. It's amazing the number of people who will vote for somebody because they feel sorry for the person. I had a conversation with a girlfriend back in '96 that went something like this:

Me: Who are you voting for?
Her: Dole.
Me: Why? I thought you said you were liberal?
Her: Well, I am but I'm giving him my sympathy vote.

Reminds me of the concept of a "mercy f**k." Maybe too many Americans are willing to give Old Man McCain a patriotic "mf."

Great stay on message. It's not the problem of McCain having wealth. But he can't relate to the middle,lower middle class and working poor. He can't keep bring his POW status over 40 yrs or so ago, that is getting old and worn out.

All three were good, but J.J. Jr hit it out of the park in closing.

I've had way more houses than McCain -- they were all rentals, and each slumlord was special in his/her own unique way.

One was a bookie, one was a drunk, one was a hermit, one was a regular Scrooge -- you get the idea.

Is getting Democrats to stay on message every bit as hard as training your dog to stay on the newspaper?

Rufus. T. Firefly @ 11:

I think most of the reason people like McCain, even if they think he's full of shit, is because they feel sorry for him. It's amazing the number of people who will vote for somebody because they feel sorry for the person. I had a conversation with a girlfriend back in '96 that went something like this:

Me: Who are you voting for?
Her: Dole.
Me: Why? I thought you said you were liberal?
Her: Well, I am but I'm giving him my sympathy vote.

Reminds me of the concept of a "mercy f**k." Maybe too many Americans are willing to give Old Man McCain a patriotic "mf."

I didn't want Dole to win out of sympathy. I wanted Dole to win due to my own apathy and I didn't want the Dole jokes on Conan O'Brien to end.

It's about time these people got on the same page and combated the Right Wing Talking Points (trademark) from distracting everyone.

Sorry McRove, you brought it on yourself.

One house, one spouse - Obama/Biden 08

If McCain should get into the white house (god forbid) and he screws something up royally, is he going to blame it on his having been a POW? You can't milk that excuse forever.

McCain did admit to living at some time in four different homes. Even though he said the rest are investment properties, still most people can't even imagine owning four homes. That's more than most people own in a lifetime.

We own our home outright now, but I grew up poor as hell so I can remember what it feels like to wonder where the food will come from for dinner, if we have dinner. I know what it feels like to be evicted from a rental home...more than once. I know what it feels like to see daddy's car being towed away by the repo man....more than once. I know what it feels like to have a company come and repo the toys we got for Christmas. So even though now we, my husband and I, are very comfortable financially, I can experience by memory what people are dealing with today. McCain is clueless. This really is one of those things where you had to be there. He needs to educate himself. He needs to climb down from his ivory tower and experience life in the real world.

Each week at the market I pick up extra cans and boxes of food for the local food pantry. When we deliver the food and see the faces of the people there eagerly waiting to see what might be in the bags, I can see myself as a little girl and know the excitement I would have felt had we been able to visit such a pantry for help. I sure would like to take McCain with me to that pantry some week and let him intermingle with those families.

Hey you kids, get off my seven lawns!

The Obama/Biden campaign should follow up with explicit reference to this video as proof that McCain lacks sufficient respect and understanding of middle-class Americans.

It would be great to organize some folks to take McCain up on his challenge, head into tnhe fields at Yuma...and then bring the bill to McCain just before the election

Ran across an interesting thought by Jessie Jackson in my local newspaper today:

We have one party with two different names........

hmmmm....

time to take on the rush o'shannity brigade.

I think what was most damning about McCain’s response to the “How many houses” question wasn’t that he couldn’t give an answer but the way in which he responded.

If he had said “We use four of the houses we own and the rest are investments that Cindy has made and (like her taxes) I’m not going to get into that”, I think he could have escaped rather unscathed.

First of all with the housing crisis and trying to paint Obama as an out of touch elitist there is no explanation as to why he wasn’t prepared other than he just can’t relate to the struggles of everyday people. This isn’t about how much money he has or having a senior moment, it’s a whole attitude and worldview.

Second, to say I’ll have my staff get back to you shows the “I can’t be bothered with details” mindset that we have had with Bush for eight years.

TheAdviceWeAllNeed @ 1:

Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

I don't think it's the people running McCain's campaign that you need to worry about. If that is the case, don't look at the people running the Dems campaign. Same pieces of crap that have been in power since forever.

What is it about politics in the US, where a person becomes a senator or congressman in their 30's, and basically dies in that job position? How much does it cost to keep these politicians for life?

TheAdviceWeAllNeed @ 1:

Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

Exactly right. The Republican party has a history of promoting celebrity and personality over intelligence and competence. All they look for in their candidate is a puppet who can win a popularity contest. Then the people who really control the Republican agenda can pull the strings behind the curtain.

It really drives them batshit crazy (more than usual, anyway) when they're forced to go up against an opponent who can beat them at their popularity game–and who possesses intelligence and competence as well.

It was so refreshing to hear 3 Dems stay on point. Unfortunately, that's the exception, not the rule. I'm really hoping that the little pit bull inside Joe Biden is allowed to come out and do what, apparently, Barack doesn't want to do - attack! Attack!! Attack!!!

JerryO @ 20:

Ran across an interesting thought by Jessie Jackson in my local newspaper today:

We have one party with two different names........

hmmmm....

Basically it's true. Both campaigns have the same tired "unelected" teams that have been in Washington since forever........hold yer breath and vote people.......just don't look behind either party's curtains.

I want SOMETHING to be done to counter our stupid media...make them look like the fools they are...done eloquently and forcefully...sounds like these three found a way to get by bumbling BOB...they should take their show on the road. PLEASE, PLEASE, let Dems come out of this convention STRONG and stay STRONG throughout the REPUG get together...praying for something BIG being planned to take focus away from them during their TIME...you know the guys and gals of TV/radio/etc can only follow ONE SHINY object at a time...let's put our heads together and make it tough for them...perhaps one of their fave celebrities will have a meltdown and hold up in a remote location somewhere...all equipment disperse!!!!!!!

Wish I could say the same about what happened on CNN's "LATE EDITION"

WOLF's theme of the day: Hillary, 20% deadenders, Biden’s past comments, and an obcene amount of free airtime for McCain attack ads.

At one point, Wolf and Gloria Bolger said Obama and Hillary don’t like each other, Obama should have consulted the Clintons on his VP selection, and cleared her debt. John King was an absolutre moron, and rest weren't much better. As foir the Democratic surrogates, they were piss-poor. Even a weakling like Republican Tim Pawlently was able to push back.

I'm telling ya, Obama and Biden better attack McCain (his running mate), Bush, Cheney, Giuliani and Lieberman for the next 2 weeks. The MSM are playing into the Republicans hands, and have teed them up for an unprecented attack on Obama at the GOP convention. The attacks on Kerry will be nothing compared to what they’ll do to Obama. Rev. Wright, Ayers and Infanticide will be thrown at him on national television. Theyll even go with subtle racism to rally the conservative nutbase.

Also, if the MSM’s behaviour today is any indication, they’ll let them get away with it. It’s up to Obama and Biden to hit back HARD, regardless of whether they’re 12 pts ahead after the convention. They’ll need a war room, a rapid response team, a shitload of surrogates and attacks ads ready to go on the air opening night of the Repubican convention.

Otherwise Obama will be 12 pts behind, like Kerry was 4 years ago.

"first of all let me say POW POW POW POW.....my mistress's father made money "...
a well versed and rehearsed list of properties....

They should have jumped in and HAMMERED him over his comments about how Cindy's father went off to WWII and then returned and got rich. Hmmmm... Did that have ANYTHING at all to do with the GI BILL? The same type of bill that McCain recently opposed? Does the man know he's being hypocritical.

I recall that Bush didn't know he was part owner of a timber company. Look at how well that turned out. NOT!
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/George_W__Bush_Corporations.htm

pissed off patricia @ 18:

If McCain should get into the white house (god forbid) and he screws something up royally, is he going to blame it on his having been a POW? You can't milk that excuse forever.

McCain did admit to living at some time in four different homes. Even though he said the rest are investment properties, still most people can't even imagine owning four homes. That's more than most people own in a lifetime.

We own our home outright now, but I grew up poor as hell so I can remember what it feels like to wonder where the food will come from for dinner, if we have dinner. I know what it feels like to be evicted from a rental home...more than once. I know what it feels like to see daddy's car being towed away by the repo man....more than once. I know what it feels like to have a company come and repo the toys we got for Christmas. So even though now we, my husband and I, are very comfortable financially, I can experience by memory what people are dealing with today. McCain is clueless. This really is one of those things where you had to be there. He needs to educate himself. He needs to climb down from his ivory tower and experience life in the real world.

Each week at the market I pick up extra cans and boxes of food for the local food pantry. When we deliver the food and see the faces of the people there eagerly waiting to see what might be in the bags, I can see myself as a little girl and know the excitement I would have felt had we been able to visit such a pantry for help. I sure would like to take McCain with me to that pantry some week and let him intermingle with those families.

It would make no diff. to him at all. These people do not have a concience like we do. We are here to serve their needs and when they need a war we are truly their "cannon fodder". Just ask them and they will tell you just that.

PorridgeGun @ 28:

Wish I could say the same about what happened on CNN's "LATE EDITION"

WOLF's theme of the day: Hillary, 20% deadenders, Biden’s past comments, and an obcene amount of free airtime for McCain attack ads.

At one point, Wolf and Gloria Bolger said Obama and Hillary don’t like each other, Obama should have consulted the Clintons on his VP selection, and cleared her debt. John King was an absolutre moron, and rest weren't much better. As foir the Democratic surrogates, they were piss-poor. Even a weakling like Republican Tim Pawlently was able to push back.

I'm telling ya, Obama and Biden better attack McCain (his running mate), Bush, Cheney, Giuliani and Lieberman for the next 2 weeks. The MSM are playing into the Republicans hands, and have teed them up for an unprecented attack on Obama at the GOP convention. The attacks on Kerry will be nothing compared to what they’ll do to Obama. Rev. Wright, Ayers and Infanticide will be thrown at him on national television. Theyll even go with subtle racism to rally the conservative nutbase.

Also, if the MSM’s behaviour today is any indication, they’ll let them get away with it. It’s up to Obama and Biden to hit back HARD, regardless of whether they’re 12 pts ahead after the convention. They’ll need a war room, a rapid response team, a shitload of surrogates and attacks ads ready to go on the air opening night of the Repubican convention.

Otherwise Obama will be 12 pts behind, like Kerry was 4 years ago.

And observation from yesterday

Chris Matthews called out CNN and FOX for their constant calls for Hillary Clinton to be the VP

His words “the Republicans and I must say the Fox Television and CNN Crocodile Tears about Hillary Clinton are not to be believed that they are simply playing the Republican game here of trying to open up this rift.”

Know one was fooled by CNN's Obsession with Hillary Clinton

Everything about McCain's response to Couric's question was irrelevant: being a POW doesn't entitle you to a lavish lifestyle later on, especially if you pursue policies that reward ultra-rich people like yourself; having a father-in-law who pulled himself up by the bootstraps doesn't entitle you to accept the benefits of his hard work without working hard yourself; and neither of these facts can justify McCain's decades-long disconnect from the real America. I don't begrudge him or his wife their wealth--it's obviously their right to be obscenely wealthy, own multiple properties, fly on a private jet, wear expensive clothes, etc. But I do begrudge McCain his obtuseness, hypocrisy, and constant playing of the POW card.

If the ignorant masses vote this time from their empty pocketbooks instead of their asses we can get the GOP out of the WH. Maybe during the debates when they see the short old man next to the younger tall man that will help. Obama is not great at debates but McCain is worse. I just hope the American people will open their hearts and heads and listen--truly listen to what each man has to say. The choice is critical to our survival. Monday I am going to push and probe all the people I know to register to vote and listen to candidates.

John McCain knew the economy was in the tank when he said everything was fine last January. He was trying to give the impression that things weree just great under the present administration. Now he had changed his story and tells us that he feels our pain. As the prosecutors say to witnesses who change their testimony, "Were you lying then, or are you lying now?"

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

JerryO @ 20:

Ran across an interesting thought by Jessie Jackson in my local newspaper today:

We have one party with two different names........

hmmmm....

Basically it's true. Both campaigns have the same tired "unelected" teams that have been in Washington since forever........hold yer breath and vote people.......just don't look behind either party's curtains.

When is this "we can find examples of wrongdoing in both parties, so they're exactly the same" nonsense going to be put out of its misery? Sorry, but if you're looking for purity in this world, you're going to die looking. Most realists do what they can to improve a situation, even if it might not be to the degree they'd like.

WooHoo!!!!!

First McCain tried to go for a sympathy angle by saying he didn't have a home or a kitchen table for five and a half years. Then he tried to excuse the many homes by explaining that Cindy's dad was wealthy. Why didn't he simply say we have four homes and some investment properties. Why the need to bring up the POW time and Cindy's dad? No one asked him to explain why they had the homes. The homes have nothing to do with his time as a POW. And the fact that Cindy's dad was wealthy has nothing to do with McCain not knowing how many homes he owns.

The three Democrats appearing with Bob Schieffer were perfect. Not so the ones appearing on CNN. The Democrats need to have a class on Party Unity 101 and tell whoever is going out to appear on TV they need to have the same messages. And don't let Wolfe, Bolger, et al rip your message to shreds as they like to do. If you can't deliver the message and attack, attack, then stay the hell away from the TV shows. This game is not for the weak and hesitant.

Wolfe is so in the Clinton's pocket he can't help but continue to bring up how horribly Obama treated Hillary, how it is a disgrace Obama didn't pay off Hillary's debt, how Obama should have consulted Hillary and Bill on his choice of VP. Give me a f**king break!! Wolfe, when are you going to accept that the Clintons are history?

"I only have four houses and the rest are investment properties." Boy that puts me at ease! A house is a house is a house. How many are assigned to low income folks, JM because I'd like to apply, if I could find you in one of your "favorite four."
Just how dumb do you think everyone is?.......wait, don't answer that.

like it or not how many "houses" mccain has will continue
and may follow into romney who is also very wealthy.
it's fair because they started the finger pointing of who
is an elitist.........money always equated into elitist identity.now we have to be concerned about ayers and rezko.

Mark Halperin no doubt has recieved his talking points from ROVE and SCHMIDT and is putting this shit out there as a warning shot to the MSM. He's a GOP whore and I take hi seriously when it comes this. And the likes of him and the usual MSM hacks will keep it alive following the Democratic convention.

PorridgeGun @ 44:

Mark Halperin no doubt has recieved his talking points from ROVE and SCHMIDT and is putting this shit out there as a warning shot to the MSM. He's a GOP whore and I take hi seriously when it comes this. And the likes of him and the usual MSM hacks will keep it alive following the Democratic convention.

I just wanna know which one of these men he is sleeping

Back in January, I would have been thrilled to have HRC as the candidate for president and still feel she would have been a great choice.
However, I am thrilled with the ticket as it is and think that having Clinton as VP or consulting her on the VP would have been a disaster.

liberAL @ 9:

The perfect trio to put McCain in his place. This is exactly the message we need to start putting out. Hopefully Schieffer was listening to their message and thanks to him for letting them speak without interrupting them as some pundits are prone to do. There is no way Obama/Biden can lose unless the repugs steal another election in November.

All Democrats should insist that if they are going to be interviewed on CBS, it is not with Leslie Stahl. She will not let someone with whom she is philosophically opposed get a word in edgewise.

Being that it's a non-local universe and linear time may well be an illusion, perhaps we'll start hearing McAskmystaff explaining his poor academic performance at Annapolis being due to his future capture as a POW.

"Barack Obama must not rise to the call of the critics, and he must not rise to the reactions of McCain from outside of our convention dictating the terms of the dialog amongst democrats. He must rise to the call of history ... and if he rises to the call of history the American people will hear him ..."

Perfectly said.

PorridgeGun @ 38:


Mark Halperin: "McCain House Gaffe one of the WORST MOMENTS of the campaign...for BARACK OBAMA."

Wow. Halperin is blatantly displaying his McTool. At least Stephanopoulos had the decency to point out how retarded his comments were.

First of all, anyone who runs for president is obscenely wealthy. Period. Throwing around this "you have seven houses" line is a dead end. Why not talk about POLICIES that Bush has put in place and that McCain will continue? Why get into this horrible name-calling? PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED BY IT!

One of the main reasons Obama was nominated was that he SEEMED to be above all this mudslinging garbage. Getting down in the mud with the Repubs will only lead to more voter fatigue. People want HOPE! Not the people on TV - the REAL people. I understand that CNNMSNBCFOX will parrot all this negativity, but who cares? We don't have to be like them!

rekroc @ 50:

PorridgeGun @ 38:


Mark Halperin: "McCain House Gaffe one of the WORST MOMENTS of the campaign...for BARACK OBAMA."

Wow. Halperin is blatantly displaying his McTool. At least Stephanopoulos had the decency to point out how retarded his comments were.

....he would' rather win an election than the war' was below the belt......it's time to punish mccain's team. this is nasty rove linguistic framing. this is what they did to kerry...we must go for the knock out

Broken government?

Russia and war?

Tanking economy?

Nah, lets go with how many houses he owns.

OMG.

Michael Moore hit the nail correctly on the head. There is nothing heroic about dropping Napalm and white phosphorous bombs on civilians so let's get over this bs about being a "war hero" and get on with the fact that mc cain will destroy our economy, our civil liberties, our standing in the world and each and every one of us if given a chance. The American Dream, as it has been so eloquently stated has become a nightmare from which we would all like to awaken.
Pass the salt, baby, we are all cooked if this moron becomes pres.
I just figured it out - he was born in 1937 - raised in the 50's - came back from Viet Nam damaged physically, emotionally,mentally and spiritually and some folks think he is fit to lead a nation in the 20th century? I think his day past many years ago.
It will be interesting to watch the juvenile attacks that his campaign comes up with.

Ed Rendell states that John McCain has "lived the American Dream" as if that's a point to concede. However, growing up receiving socialized medicine, getting into Annapolis on a legacy admission, getting shot down and held prisoner, returning to your country, nailing an heiress and dumping your wife, marrying your mistress, working for her daddy and then living off her inherited fortune, etc.... Is this a description of the "American Dream"? Am I wrong in thinking the "American Dream" has something to do with working hard and achieving?

The reason McCain has to continually bring up the POW thing is that HE HAS NOTHING ELSE!!! His entire life has been handed to him. The only thing "self-made" about this man is his myth...

rekroc @ 50:

PorridgeGun @ 38:


Mark Halperin: "McCain House Gaffe one of the WORST MOMENTS of the campaign...for BARACK OBAMA."

Wow. Halperin is blatantly displaying his McTool. At least Stephanopoulos had the decency to point out how retarded his comments were.

Halperin is retarded, Republican attacks are retarded. Unfortunately, 40% of the American population is MORE retarded. The Olympics are over, and most of these fuckwits will be focusing on the conventions and the 08' Election.

Yes they were on message.

Yet, not one of the three questioned McCain's use of his typical shield answer.
That special McCain catch all defense answer that is sommed up basically like,

" I was a POW and I am a war hero so that is my excuse and you should not
question me any further even though I gave no answer to your question ".

McCain had a roof placed over his head with health care most his life by American taxpayers. As he is now married into wealth, accumulated wealth as a Senator, and lives a luxury American Dream. He continues to accept $58 grand from taxpayers for what occurred in the '60. Fast foreward to his now accumulated wealth and he has used his Senatorial vote to actually refuse other latest Veterans what he continues to recieve and does not require. But if he has it coming its his and I do not begrudge that nor his wealth.

What I begrudge is his almost ignoring disdain for those less fortunate. That he can tell you he wasn't always in wealth. He is just more worried of keeping his wealth and amassing more wealth that he lost concern for those he was and is supposed to be representing.

John should consider, Bectel, Haliburton, Microsoft et al will always be capable to take care of themselves if they are responsible. Unlike a Bear Sterns that he had no problem using tax payers money to bail out. While the crash and burn CEO amassed a fortune for his job assassinating the economy. Yet John thinks these corporations need tax breaks?

Does John think that Bear Sterns went bankrupt because it needed more tax breaks?

If All of Washington respected their office of representing the American people first above party, lobbyists, corporations, etc, they might spend our tax dollars more effectively and cost effective at that. But if you have to hire a crony as a favor or need campaign cash. They will sell Americans out for their issue(s), not ours..
The taxes would perhaps not be so stressing for anyone.

I was disappointed to hear Ed Rendell still spouting the POW meme for John McCain. They need to stop referring to it at all.

....at least until the football season starts.

Very refreshing to hear three very intelligent, civilized, and 100% correct politicians stating their case without recourse to smears, lies and innuendo. Made me realize just hoe shameful and morally bankrupt the Republican party is in 2008.

Zeppyfish @ 51:

First of all, anyone who runs for president is obscenely wealthy. Period. Throwing around this "you have seven houses" line is a dead end.

Obviously, you haven't been paying attention. For the past several months, McBush has been trying its damnedest to recycle the same old RNC tactics from four years ago and portray Obama as being an arugula-eating "elitist" who is out of touch with Mr. Average Joe American. Pointing out that McBush, in fact, falls in at the top end of the "elitist" chart--with his private jet and his 7-12 luxurious residences--completely blows away that line of attack.

Zeppyfish @ 51:

First of all, anyone who runs for president is obscenely wealthy. Period. Throwing around this "you have seven houses" line is a dead end. Why not talk about POLICIES that Bush has put in place and that McCain will continue? Why get into this horrible name-calling? PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED BY IT!

One of the main reasons Obama was nominated was that he SEEMED to be above all this mudslinging garbage. Getting down in the mud with the Repubs will only lead to more voter fatigue. People want HOPE! Not the people on TV - the REAL people. I understand that CNNMSNBCFOX will parrot all this negativity, but who cares? We don't have to be like them!

sounds good but it's too late to take the high road. people don't play fair in politics. i personally don't care how many homes mccain has.....but his campaign started the nasty comments: he'd rather win an election than the war...he's elitist...he's a celebrity/rockstar..
in my opinion obama doesn't want to there but the proverbial egg has been cracked........many people look
at the glass half filled.....they've done plenty of control
group studies to understand human emotion/memory/
decision making....the art/science of negative linguistic
framing.....the (R) are masters at it. they design comments to require research by the voter to see if the
statement is true. most don't do the research they believe what they think they hear on the idiot box.

In other news today, Tropical Storm Fay has been downgraded to a Tropical Whine.

Sharon @ 58:

I was disappointed to hear Ed Rendell still spouting the POW meme for John McCain. They need to stop referring to it at all.

I agree to an extent on how the Dems refer to McCain's service.

I disagree that they should not ever discuss it. John is hiding behind a built up image as war hero when in fact it is more war victim. Is John more of a hero than one who was killed in Vietnam?
Or more of a hero than the American troop in Iraq that used his own body to cover a grenade that was tossed his vehicle with three other soldiers in that vehicle and the others lived because of his death?

John should be called out every time he uses his service as the excuse of a child that tells his teacher his dog ate his homework.

Using God and his time as a POW to deflect his cluelessness is appalling, yet not surprising. Regarding the success of his second father in law I also thought of the G.I. Bill.

Jackson Jr.'s "Keys" remark was in the right direction, but very weak. A stronger point is that he probably doesn't need keys at all because his servants let him in. Having more than one house is one thing, having more than seven houses and servants—well you might as well wear a powdered wig.

'Bout time!!

CNN and all the other media outlets try to deal only with the weakest speakers from the Democratic party and never normally invite such people

Can't wait to watch Schiefer's pandering to McCain in the upcoming debate.

John Tighe @ 65:

Using God and his time as a POW to deflect his cluelessness is appalling, yet not surprising. Regarding the success of his second father in law I also thought of the G.I. Bill.

Jackson Jr.'s "Keys" remark was in the right direction, but very weak. A stronger point is that he probably doesn't need keys at all because his servants let him in. Having more than one house is one thing, having more than seven houses and servants—well you might as well wear a powdered wig.

I swear you read my mind on this !

Does Das Homeland Security have mind reading ability now? Is that where Miss Cleo was taken off to?

And are you reading minds for them?

Good point.................................

Look folks as much as we like to attack McCain and his gang for this political mess this race has become. We cannot over look the roll our national media is playing in it.

I think the Democratic group above did a very good job of staying on message, however they are not the usual group of paid voices, these networks are presenting to us on daily bases.

This was just a small sound bite, presented to us early on a Sunday when most democrats are in Denver, at the festivities and not even viewing it. Yet if you tune into CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, other then Keith Obberman who is just one voice, you are going to find the same gang of cheap disgusting voices, slamming the democratic process.

They are on this mission to help McCain and the Bush administration pull this next election off, and as we speak, they are behind the scenes, with fat ass Karol Rowe, who should be in jail I might add, just pulling the same illegal strings, he pulled to get us Bush for two terms.

We need to be having good intelligent, concise, dialog about how we are going to accomplish winning this election and we do not need the powers that be to be in the for front of whom will be organizing and conducting the process.

We need to be talking about these voter registration departments in every dame state, to find out if they are fully equipped with paper ballots and that they all have more then enough poll workers to handle the enormous amount of people who WILL be voting. We need to be talking about making sure that most people will be voting on election day, because there is no trust in sending in your votes.

They are illegally counting them before our elections and then disposing of them, because they don't like the outcome. That is a fact.

We need to zero in on mainly these states, with Republican Governors, who are not shy about screwing around with our election process. We have to target these states and make sure we have ample coverage of concerned voters, to zero in on these people and keep close watch on their prospective process to assure a free and fair election. We know the cities and counties that are the most venerable and it will be no different this year, make no mistake about that.

McCain does not own, operate and control our media (or does he?). There is little or no mistake about what these people are doing. We know whom the real owners of these corporations are. We know what kind of people they have become and the very serious damage they have created in this country, in their quest to control our government and everything in it and we should make no mistake about that.

Now Obama just announced his running mate yesterday and look what kind of coverage he got. ( it just makes you sick to know these people are going to do whatever they can to derail this election). If McCain is doing as well as they and these bogus pollsters claim he is doing, then why is it necessary to derail the democratic process?

It is a known fact that through out the country, there are problems with voting machines and this is not something that is knew. We have been well aware of all the stolen elections and with the kind of coverage we are now getting from the very same media owned operation we have had though out this disgusting administration, whom will not go near this, other then a sound bite.

It is difficult to discuss our voting problems in this country if we don't have a cooperative avenue in our media (and we don't). They will read some of our complaints about this and then set up a team of unknown people in the form of a round table (most of them republicans or paid spokespeople), that will talk about the issue and then it goes away. Nothing is done.

This administration and the republican party are well aware of the voting problems all over this state, yet they have done everything possible to block any legislation that would derail the kind of conduct we have become so familiar with, our past elections.

Senator Obama presented legislation more then two years ago, that would give jail time to anyone involved with voter fraud. I can't go into all the issues he was promoting, its been so long , but it was a really good piece of legislation, that was stopped dead in it's tracks by the party on the right. I have an email from Senator Reid, that talks about his frustration on this subject. (he responded to me on this subject, because I was at his front and back door, pounding him to fix the problem.

As successful as I and all of you know this conference will be, it is not going to be the message we get from this right wing media. As was the trip Obama took abroad, they will derail it and we know this and then claim Obama does not have what it takes.

We know different, so we have to continue tuning into the liberal media, to get the right message from people who really do think like they have good common sense and simply ignore the bogus polling data they are now using.

You know the polling data, given to us by the very same people that are laughing and playing with the process, simply does not jive with the massive numbers of people we are generating to make sure we get a democratic process,not just the President, but all the avenues important to this country . It is a fact that democrats have and continue to register voters in record numbers, all across this country and in most states we have gained in numbers of more then two to one.

This is a fact that is not reflected in the polling data, that Zogby and Ressmussion claim is so accurate.

This consistent rant for Hillary is also a fabrication of facts. They forgot they did a survey just weeks ago that told many of us that 64% of these so called Hillary supporters had already got on the winning Obama side, and there were only 18% were still undecided. Now we are back to this clear fabrication of she has eighteen million people, just howling foul play. She set up a meeting for her so called supporters and it was noted, that very few if any bothered to show up. These are the same republicans that crossed over to vote Hillary folks. That fact, along with the bogus polling is all they have to go on.

They are simply not being truthful and we all should if we don't know why that is. If they wanted to be honorable in any kind of fairness light, they would admit, they are polling only people who use land lines, that many many Americans have simply disposed of, in favor of cel phones, but that the figures they can give us is the best they can account for because of the changes of demographics in phone usage.

TheAdviceWeAllNeed @ 1:

Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

Not to worry... He'll have Joe Lieberman standing behind him whispering in his ear...

Don't forget your 9-car caravan if you want to go to Starbucks.

constituent @ 52:

rekroc @ 50:

PorridgeGun @ 38:


Mark Halperin: "McCain House Gaffe one of the WORST MOMENTS of the campaign...for BARACK OBAMA."

Wow. Halperin is blatantly displaying his McTool. At least Stephanopoulos had the decency to point out how retarded his comments were.

....he would' rather win an election than the war' was below the belt......it's time to punish mccain's team. this is nasty rove linguistic framing. this is what they did to kerry...we must go for the knock out

You gotta love the way this McTool was all indignant about Obama "opening the door" simply because he jumped on a huge McBush fuck-up about his too-numerous-to-keep-track-of luxury homes. Like that even comes close to so much of the shit that McBush has already thrown out there. Paris/Britney? Arugula? "The One"? Snubbed the wounded vets in Germany because he couldn't use them as campaign props? Puts his own presidential ambitions before this country? Wants to lose a war? Oh, but I guess McBush was just trying to be funny when he spewed all that crap on us (where's your sense of humor?) while Obama is engaging in a below-the-belt, super-vicious meany attack.

It's un-fucking-believable that this guy is supposed to be an "unbiased" reporter. He talks just like a paid McBush shill.

Jesse Jackson Jr. mentioned John McCain's antics.

While in the cone of silence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIy3At7x8A

#64

A 'hero' has always been someone who has done something 'heroic'. Getting captured and then tortured, if in fact that is true, which I doubt, is not something you did, it is something that happened over which you had no control.

That does not a 'hero' make.

Okay, but I seriously doubt that McConfused has to lock his own door. Or even open it. And if Ida been there, Ida pointed that out.

Question. Will someone please explain to me how anyone, anyone who gets up and goes to work for a living sees their way clear to vote Republican? I really can't comprehend this and I preach about it all the time on my blog. Gov. Rendell says it best in this clip. If you made $500,000 last year then yes the Bush economy is working for you.

Kelley @ 74:

Okay, but I seriously doubt that McConfused has to lock his own door. Or even open it. And if Ida been there, Ida pointed that out.

While Rep. Jackson's point is well taken, I thought the same thing. Grandpa McSame and his pill popping wife don't do any of the mundane things the rest of us deal with on a daily basis. They don't cook, clean, cut the grass, grocery shop, fill the gas tank, find parking spaces or even pay their own bills. They and their children HIRE what are hopefully registered Democrats for those tasks.

"Cindy's father barely finished high school, went off and distinguished himself in World War II in a B-17. And he came back and with practically nothing, and realized the American Dream. And I'am proud and grateful for that. And I think he is a role-model for many young Americans who serve in the military and succeed."

Does he really want to talk about how Cindy's daddy came back from WWII and how he made his money?

Let's see. James Hensley (Cindy Lou Hensley-McCain's daddy) although already married, met Cindy Lou's mommy. So he came back from WWII with a new wife, leaving his first wive and 2 year old baby daughter.

He came back and started working for Kemper Marley. A man with known organized crime ties. Hell he was organized crime in Arizona.

In 1948 Jim Hensley along with his brother Eugene were convicted of falsifying liquor records to conceal illegal distribution of whiskey.

In 1953 Hensley and Marley were charged but acquitted of falsifying liquor records.

In 1952 the Hensley brothers bought a racetrack in New Mexico, concealing the existence of an equal partner Clarence Baldwin who had been banned from any ownership due to illegal bookmaking activities. A 1953 New Mexico State Police investigation found that Kemper Marley was a financial backer for bookmakers and hand connections with Baldwin and with the bookmaking operations or organized crime.

So this is John McCain's role model for young American's. A man who dumps his first wife and child to make a fortune with mob connections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley

Where have Democrats of this caliber been during the last 8 years? Maybe it was because there were no "whining", subject-changing, obfuscating Repigs to distract.

These three should go on tour - they are an amazing Democratic ensemble. Perfectly complimentary in their subject matter, approach and appearance. Plus they are articulate and persuasive. Do not let John Kerry on the talking head shows any more. Book these three every Sunday through November!

Senator McCain: How well have you and your family done under the Bush tax policies since 2001?

ugh Katie Couric, she always throws her questions like softballs

Wait, wait. There were three Dems being interviewed at the same time with twice as many Repugs on to "even things out"? That can't be right...

George W. Gump @ 82:

Wait, wait. There were three Dems being interviewed at the same time with twice as many Repugs on to "even things out"? That can't be right...

Oops. Meant "without".

re:So when John McCain gets up in the morning and leaves his house to lock his door, he has to shuffle through a number of keys to figure out which key works

What on earth makes you think he carries the keys to his houses? That's a job for one of the servants and probably hasn't unlocked a door in years.

rekroc @ 37:

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

JerryO @ 20:

Ran across an interesting thought by Jessie Jackson in my local newspaper today:

We have one party with two different names........

hmmmm....

Basically it's true. Both campaigns have the same tired "unelected" teams that have been in Washington since forever........hold yer breath and vote people.......just don't look behind either party's curtains.

When is this "we can find examples of wrongdoing in both parties, so they're exactly the same" nonsense going to be put out of its misery? Sorry, but if you're looking for purity in this world, you're going to die looking. Most realists do what they can to improve a situation, even if it might not be to the degree they'd like.

Thank you rekroc! I've said this a lot myself, but not as well as you have.

Sorry McTrollop but I've never been able to afford something you might consider a "house" in the Bay Area for the last 16 years until very recently. The only reason I can now is because of the housing market/sub prime mortgage crisis and that I/we happen to be doing well (one was laid off but we managed after selling off my collection of early American art pottery) and I have some money in my 401K. That's hardly something I like to be proud of, especially now while others are now eating shit, either because they over-extended themselves willingly or thought they were going to cash out when the market was still skyrocketing and waged their "dream" on a shaky only interest loan (or some other snake oil from your buddy Phil Graham and the banking industry). A great economy? Nope. Middle class stimulus checks? Wrong again! Gas Tax Holiday?! Fuck you John McCain! Maybe if I was a POW I could forget about some of my seven houses…

Oh Yeah,

Wow a Jackson that speaks and makes sense! I like him already!

I think its a slap in the face restoring Fla. and MIch. votes now that they don't matter! Obama fought to see my vote only counted half to secure his nomination. If we had our full votes then the outcome may have changed and he was not going to take the risk! He stole the nomination and the dummycrats in charge allowed it! I will not give him my vote or John so i choose to write in Hillary Clinton and I hope the 18 million other Americans do the same! It is sad when a country as great as the U.S.A. has no better candidates to offer than these 2 clowns!

donald @ 87:

I think its a slap in the face restoring Fla. and MIch. votes now that they don't matter! Obama fought to see my vote only counted half to secure his nomination. If we had our full votes then the outcome may have changed and he was not going to take the risk! He stole the nomination and the dummycrats in charge allowed it! I will not give him my vote or John so i choose to write in Hillary Clinton and I hope the 18 million other Americans do the same! It is sad when a country as great as the U.S.A. has no better candidates to offer than these 2 clowns!

2 words:

Whiney Loser

A noun, a verb and 'I was a POW'."

2 more words:

Move ahead

Laur @ 85:

rekroc @ 37:

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

JerryO @ 20:

Basically it's true. Both campaigns have the same tired "unelected" teams that have been in Washington since forever........hold yer breath and vote people.......just don't look behind either party's curtains.

When is this "we can find examples of wrongdoing in both parties, so they're exactly the same" nonsense going to be put out of its misery? Sorry, but if you're looking for purity in this world, you're going to die looking. Most realists do what they can to improve a situation, even if it might not be to the degree they'd like.

Thank you rekroc! I've said this a lot myself, but not as well as you have.

A realist? Are you kidding?? The real situation is our two party system no longer works. Improve the situation?? For who? Us? We The People? Wake up. Politicians don't give a rats ass about us, it's all about them and their buddies who pay their way. Ever noticed that most politicians have more money than your average Joe will see in his lifetime. Yes I believe the Democrats will once again win across the board majority on the hill, but mark my words, in a decade or so it will be the Democrats who are the 'bad guys' and once again the Republicans will present themselves as the ones to 'save' the country. Starting the vicious cycle all over again. You know who are the real losers? The Country itself and it's People. Our Government has been corrupt for so long, people seem to think that's just the way it is. One day it will change. Our kids are going are going to grow up (if we haven't annihilated each other by that time) and change it. Yes, one party, two different names. A democratic majority will not change anything, a new President will change very little. Presidents rarely relinquish powers collected by their predecessors. It will be the same old, same old...just a different decade with a different name. Yes 'hold your breath and vote'. Vote like it really makes a difference.

JerryO @ 91:

Laur @ 85:

rekroc @ 37:

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

When is this "we can find examples of wrongdoing in both parties, so they're exactly the same" nonsense going to be put out of its misery? Sorry, but if you're looking for purity in this world, you're going to die looking. Most realists do what they can to improve a situation, even if it might not be to the degree they'd like.

Thank you rekroc! I've said this a lot myself, but not as well as you have.

A realist? Are you kidding?? The real situation is our two party system no longer works. Improve the situation?? For who? Us? We The People? Wake up. Politicians don't give a rats ass about us, it's all about them and their buddies who pay their way. Ever noticed that most politicians have more money than your average Joe will see in his lifetime. Yes I believe the Democrats will once again win across the board majority on the hill, but mark my words, in a decade or so it will be the Democrats who are the 'bad guys' and once again the Republicans will present themselves as the ones to 'save' the country. Starting the vicious cycle all over again. You know who are the real losers? The Country itself and it's People. Our Government has been corrupt for so long, people seem to think that's just the way it is. One day it will change. Our kids are going are going to grow up (if we haven't annihilated each other by that time) and change it. Yes, one party, two different names. A democratic majority will not change anything, a new President will change very little. Presidents rarely relinquish powers collected by their predecessors. It will be the same old, same old...just a different decade with a different name. Yes 'hold your breath and vote'. Vote like it really makes a difference.

Watch out, your arguements are concluding themselves, not healthy!

Now is the time to focus on Biden's relationship with large finanical services companies and banks, his support of the "Bankruptcy" bill stripping rights from consumers. This guy is no populist but than are any of them.

I thought all three were very good and hope that the Democrats will be unified on sticking to the issues, particularly the economic ones. Several people have commented on various threads that Cindy McCain's father is (was?) a convicted felon and also that their beer distributorship has or has had mob connections. Does anyone have any hard facts?

bilhelm-X @ 88:

donald @ 87:

I think its a slap in the face restoring Fla. and MIch. votes now that they don't matter! Obama fought to see my vote only counted half to secure his nomination. If we had our full votes then the outcome may have changed and he was not going to take the risk! He stole the nomination and the dummycrats in charge allowed it! I will not give him my vote or John so i choose to write in Hillary Clinton and I hope the 18 million other Americans do the same! It is sad when a country as great as the U.S.A. has no better candidates to offer than these 2 clowns!

2 words:

Whiney Loser

You must not live in Florida or Michigan! I bet if your right to vote was cut in half you would be the quote whiney loser! You must be pro communist!

The question isn't so much, "How many kitchen tables does John McCain have?" The question I'm wondering, "How many medicine cabinets does that give Cindy?"

Re: pissed off patricia's comment @ 2

"Good for you Logan for getting this clip. It was the only thing worth watching on the Sunday morning shows. Each of these speakers was impressive in their own right. They didn’t shy away from the facts about McCain.

I would like McCain to live with a family right now who are making moderate wages and striving to make ends meet. Let him live with them for a week to see what their worries are and how they feel about their future. Let reality slap him up side his head so he can see that not everyone has money to burn. Yeah, he was a prisoner of war, but these families are prisoners of the bush economy. They suffer too."

Yeah, McCain is definitely out of touch. Rich people have done well under the Bush administration. Rich people whose friends and relatives are mostly other rich people tend to think of their own standard of living as normal and middle-class. McCain obviously hasn't got a clue about how real middle-class and working-class people live, and their hardships.

We've all heard of the "house with 7 gables" - well in McMoron's case, it's "McCain of 7 houses". This one faux pas will cost McStupid the election because it cuts deep into the heart of what most americans are facing right now - the loss of their hearth and home. To hear this vulgar little rich kid with PTSD attempt to connect the dots of his lack of innate intelligence in knowing how many homes he owns and blaming it on being a POW is the height of stupidity. I guess he saw the Bushitcos use nonsense logic and get away with it but it isn't going to work for him this time. People are getting wiser and know the semantics of Bush Doubletalk all too well.

Besides, what does this really tell us if we're looking between the lines? That truth is even more frightening and that is the fact that his synaptic activity in his brain is flawed in even thinking that being a POW somehow made sense with his incomprehension of how many homes he owned. That's downright horror in the making. Imagine this guy having his finger on the pulse of the world and forgetting what he's doing????

This has illustrated and will continue to illustrate just how patholigically out of touch this man is with not only what's going on in this country and the world but out of touch with himself mentally. He's impaired mentally and it's beginning to show.

McFlub-a-dub's gaffe of 7 houses is the beginning of the total unraveling of his image, his campaign, and the rest of his life. He's finished - and really needs psychiatric counseling right now.

So what we have here is a mentally handicapped (PTSD) senile bungling moron who can't remember what car he is driving or how many homes he owns coupled with a drug-addicted, anorexic, prematurely over-the-hill chickadee - imagine what an impression these two fools would make in the White House with foreign dignitaries? (**cringing**). What a duo, indeed!

BTW, just asking: whatever happened the the diagnosis we were supposed to be hearing about the mole which was biopsied earlier this month and the return of his cancer (invasive melanoma)? Anyone hear anything about that?

If he were to win, the nation would see him on chemotherapy along with psychiatric couseling - and on his way down the tubes physically and mentally. Not good.

I don't want the last words I hear before the world explodes to be okay, he fucked everything up, but he spent five and a half years in a North Vietnamese Hell Hole, and (signal lost)

seevee @ 48:

Being that it's a non-local universe and linear time may well be an illusion, perhaps we'll start hearing McAskmystaff explaining his poor academic performance at Annapolis being due to his future capture as a POW.

Now that's funny right there! I don't care what anybody says that is Frickin' funny.......

Kip W @ 100:

I don't want the last words I hear before the world explodes to be okay, he fucked everything up, but he spent five and a half years in a North Vietnamese Hell Hole, and (signal lost)

Yooos guys are on your game today! signal lost...funny!

#84

That's what the key man on his staff is for.

tfitz @ 93:

Now is the time to focus on Biden's relationship with large finanical services companies and banks, his support of the "Bankruptcy" bill stripping rights from consumers. This guy is no populist but than are any of them.

You can start with the Keating Five to get you on the right track

Why the hell isn't Jesse Jackson Jr. a Senator?

He oozes brains and charisma.

Robert

P.S. Disclaimer: I haven't had a girlfriend in COUGH! AHEM!. But Kathleen Sebelius is kinda cute.

We are very disappointed that Obama did not choose Sebelius as his VP. That would have shown real vision and a true commitment to real change. Governor Sebelius is a rare politician. Extremely effective, smart and with integrity to burn.

Secondly, the politically smart choice would have been Hilary.

Mark and Maggie

Hillary, not Hilary. Sorry. And to clarify, we think Hillary Clinton would be the best political choice but Sebelius would have been the choice with the most integrity. Either one would have been great. Biden is OK but so expedient and not very exciting.

JerryO @ 91:

Laur @ 85:

rekroc @ 37:

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

When is this "we can find examples of wrongdoing in both parties, so they're exactly the same" nonsense going to be put out of its misery? Sorry, but if you're looking for purity in this world, you're going to die looking. Most realists do what they can to improve a situation, even if it might not be to the degree they'd like.

Thank you rekroc! I've said this a lot myself, but not as well as you have.

A realist? Are you kidding?? The real situation is our two party system no longer works. Improve the situation?? For who? Us? We The People? Wake up. Politicians don't give a rats ass about us, it's all about them and their buddies who pay their way. Ever noticed that most politicians have more money than your average Joe will see in his lifetime. Yes I believe the Democrats will once again win across the board majority on the hill, but mark my words, in a decade or so it will be the Democrats who are the 'bad guys' and once again the Republicans will present themselves as the ones to 'save' the country. Starting the vicious cycle all over again. You know who are the real losers? The Country itself and it's People. Our Government has been corrupt for so long, people seem to think that's just the way it is. One day it will change. Our kids are going are going to grow up (if we haven't annihilated each other by that time) and change it. Yes, one party, two different names. A democratic majority will not change anything, a new President will change very little. Presidents rarely relinquish powers collected by their predecessors. It will be the same old, same old...just a different decade with a different name. Yes 'hold your breath and vote'. Vote like it really makes a difference.

So, uh, what the hell was it again that you're doing to make any kind of a difference? Complaining about how we're all DOOOOMED? Yeah, that'll work...

Honestly, I don't know how you Doomsday Cultists manage to get through each day without offing yourselves... I mean, you might as well, right? Since you think we're all fucked anyway?

And why the hell do you people visit blogs like this spreading all your hopeless doomsday shit? What the hell is the point?

"109 rekroc Says: Honestly, I don’t know how you Doomsday Cultists manage to get through each day without offing yourselves… I mean, you might as well, right? Since you think we’re all fucked anyway?

And why the hell do you people visit blogs like this spreading all your hopeless doomsday shit? What the hell is the point?"

Maybe some people have been around long enough to not fall for the bullshit spiel of government liars....eat up all that change crap from either candidate and wield that optimism with flair...what has anyone done to change the system that bitches or is negative? What the hell have all the optomists done except cheerlead one party or the other? This blog's owners DO attempt to make changes and for that they should be praised. But blind partisan posters that do nothing more than call all realists and truth tellers "conspiracy nuts" or "whiners that do nothing" are the REAL problem in western nation's government. There are far too many like yourself that do it...."just you wait till so and so gets elected then you'll see change..."..."oh ya, you negative people aren't helping"........blah, blah, blah.....been there and listened to that crap for decades.....hey, even tried to assist change in my own country by attempting to get someone honest elected...turns out, only the dishonest run for office........go figure...but keep on a'lecturing the stupid people online....that's working great.

"he’s so out of touch"

I don't think that is the message to 'stay on'. The message to stay on is not personal -- it's ideological. The Republicans believe it is not the government's role to help any one in trouble (except the rich). It's like Hoover in 1932 but worse. McCain is in touch with the message of his party. It's the message of his party that we should pounce on, not the fact that there's an old man out there being the spokesman for it. It's not a matter of being 'out of touch'. It's a matter of being wrong for this country.

ConcernedCanuck @ 110:

"109 rekroc Says: Honestly, I don’t know how you Doomsday Cultists manage to get through each day without offing yourselves… I mean, you might as well, right? Since you think we’re all fucked anyway?

And why the hell do you people visit blogs like this spreading all your hopeless doomsday shit? What the hell is the point?"

Maybe some people have been around long enough to not fall for the bullshit spiel of government liars....eat up all that change crap from either candidate and wield that optimism with flair...what has anyone done to change the system that bitches or is negative? What the hell have all the optomists done except cheerlead one party or the other? This blog's owners DO attempt to make changes and for that they should be praised. But blind partisan posters that do nothing more than call all realists and truth tellers "conspiracy nuts" or "whiners that do nothing" are the REAL problem in western nation's government. There are far too many like yourself that do it...."just you wait till so and so gets elected then you'll see change..."..."oh ya, you negative people aren't helping"........blah, blah, blah.....been there and listened to that crap for decades.....hey, even tried to assist change in my own country by attempting to get someone honest elected...turns out, only the dishonest run for office........go figure...but keep on a'lecturing the stupid people online....that's working great.

What a load of crap. Who are these "blind partisan posters" that you speak of? Because I sure as hell haven't seen many on this blog or any of the other progressive blogs I visit. It seems that you're arguing with the imaginary posters in your head.

When I speak of realists, I'm talking about people who completely understand the nature of the political beast in this country. It ain't pretty, but it's the only thing we have to work with right now. When people like you come to blogs like this to spew your doomsday nonsense about how we're all fucked no matter who's elected, what the hell is the point? Just about everyone here understands that the Democratic Party isn't where we'd like it to be and that Obama is most likely going to seek out compromises in order to accomplish the things he thinks are important, but to insist that there wouldn't be a bit of difference between an Obama presidency vs. a McCain one is either dishonest or delusional, and the only purpose that argument seems to serve is to try to persuade others to join the Doomsday Cult and not cast a meaningful ballot in the upcoming election.

I mean, Christ, Bill Clinton was a hell of a lot more centrist than I would've liked, but he was 100x better than the dumbass president we have now. I'm willing to bet that Obama will probably be no worse than Clinton, but that McCain will probably be no better than Bush. What the hell is unrealistic about that?

It's amazing how eight years of a totally fucked up administration has scrambled the brains of so many people that they're convinced our government is beyond repair. Bush, Rove, Norquist et al don't believe in a government that helps the common man. They wanted to "drown" our government in a bathtub. What better way to do that than to take control of it, turn it into an arm of corporate America and, as a result, make everyone not believe in it anymore?

Well, congratulation, man, because you doomsday cultists are the neocons' wet dream.

P.S. Go ahead and wait forever for your perfect savior politician to come along and magically transform the system before you bother to get involved. The rest of us who actually give a shit about where this country is headed are going to make do with what we've got in an attempt to enact small, incremental changes for the better. Getting Obama elected instead of McCain is one of those small changes.

Whaaaa I was tortured!! Whaaaa..\\

What a bunch of crap. How about all the other people what were tortured for nothing in this war.

TheAdviceWeAllNeed @ 1:

Remember people it won’t be John McCain running the White House it will be the same people running his campaign. John McCain is nothing more than a prop.

John McCain is intellectually and mentally incapable of running our country and people can’t lose site of that.

Take it for what it is worth. FYI

Subject: A Patriotic Viet Nam War Hero Speaks Out
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