Mccain Hillary, oh my!!!!

clara @ 3:

Kristol thinks Sen. Biden as Veep is mistake? Well we should be comforted now! It is now confirmed as a good decision.

Aye Clara for we all know that we can always believe the exact opposite of what Kristol says. Why hasn't the Times fired him yet? >.>

Is there anybody reading this blog that would actually take Kristol's suggestion seriously?

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Whats next on his list, get the NAACP to pick Limbaugh as it's spokesperson? Advise Code Pink to chose (M)Anne Coulter as it's Media Liason? This guy is a Noecon dickhead!!

Hey, Bill Kristol - how about Jeb Bush as McCain's running mate? It'd help McCain show how he's one heckuva maverick.

Why is it that this fascist and PNAC pusher gets to shit on the country every week?

I prefer wee willy to bloody krystol, the latter makes him sound like an action figure, or a historica one like the Tepes.

13 Nicole Belle

Remember when those pictures of Obama in those traditional garb came out? The source was the drudge report, republicans ran with it, but somehow it was Hillary's fault.

I swear I'm going to kick this guy in the nuts if I ever see him on the street.

gus smith @ 11:

Could you Hillary supporters just FORGET it. The lady got where she is on the bootstraps of others. Obama is his own success story. Stop trying to whinny her in without the proper win; this is not a popularity contest, although she is very unpopular. Obama/Biden is a great team and follows the process set up for the election.

I really tire of the Republican concern trolls.

I was, am and probably always will be a Clinton supporter (Bill and Hillary both) ... but Nicole is 100% on the mark. I believe the only people looking for conflict are Republicans. We need to unite as a party and stop of Republicans destruction of the United States. I wish Hillary got the nomination, I wish Obama selected her as VP .. sadly, it's not to be. We can't continue to look in the past, so we must move forward and put an end to what the Republicans have been putting our nation through. We must put aside our few differences, because the differences between Clinton and Obama are far smaller than the differences between Obama and McSame.

Listen, Kristol, it's Hillary Clinton, not Candyman. The mere repetition of her name isn't going to be enough... if that tactic worked she'd be at the top of the ticket already. The Democrats made their choice, and they didn't pick the woman that Republicans wanted them to. Sorry. We'd prefer to win, thanks. But I'm sure Hillary's touched by your moving display of concern for her well-being.

Kristol would wet his pants if Obama had selected Hillary, so he's just bitching and moaning. And he's also wrong about Hillary -- she isn't more qualified for anything in politics than Biden, particularly foreign policy, though he wouldn't be my first choice for Veep.

Time to play "Asshole, Jackoff, Scumbag"!

Bill Kristol: Asshole, Jackoff or Scumbag?

I say Jackoff because he so loves to hear himself speak, although the smirk qualifies him for Asshole status.

It'll probably happen ANYWAY because Hillary supporters are just bitter enough to do it. This is the always the problem with the democrats, they aren't beholden to the party as a whole so they always have trouble rallying together. On the other hand, the GOP's solid, authoritarian, do-what-we-say approach ensures party unity almost every time, even with Grampa McMumble-pants heading up the show.

In an odd way, democrats should be somewhat greatful that W has soiled the republican brand so badly that only the most ham-fisted bungling between now and November will prevent Barack's assention...

This is a media self-created story to try to make this election more interesting. Today in the Dallas Morning Nudes there was another op-ed from mark davis, a professional radio jerk-off, talking about how once the Democratic convention is over Obama's celebrityhood will die.

The problem isn't Obama's popularity, it's the fact that even mcgramp's supporters don't seem terribly enthusiastic about their candidate.

However, the test of leadership will be for Obama to be able to focus all that celebrity adulation into actual policies that are both enacted and beneficial.

Bill Krystal = gigantic tool

On the Hillary note: There is no evidence that Obama isn't going to pick her for something. She just isn't his pick for VP, which is a good decision, in my opinion. Too much baggage, too much Bill, too much hype.

Was Bill a successful president? Yes. Does he deserve respect? Yes. So does Hillary, for her contributions over the years. We've already had one VP running the country for the last 8 years. How would it make us any different if Bill and Hillary were to play a bigger role in the Obama administration?

Even if they didn't have a day to day hands on approach to things in their office, (and it would be THEIR office, they are a two for one.) The Republicans would not be able to let go of it. EVER. They have been jacking to it for the last 8 years.

It's time for a fresh approach, and a fresh start. Let's give Biden and Obama a chance. They may not be fresh, but that is yet to be seen, and it's a lot fresher than the alternatives, including the Clintons. This is what the most of the founding fathers wanted, New Leadership to keep things shook up.

Politics is a cynical business. Letting a little light and air in once in a while is a good thing. It's good for cleaning out the bugs, like Krystal and Limbaugh. Who knows, it could happen.

I can see why TIME MAG dropped his sorry azz! Who pays this shrill ? Further more why?
He is the kid that hid in the trees after throwing crab apples at the local police department,crusiers. The worm that wiggles his arse out every day from its cacoon and tests the wind. The snail the grows bigger by the lies and needs a bigger shell.

Has this sorry azz pos every served his country? Has he ever had to go without to make ends meet? I swear him and linsey grahm have alot in common. They are over paid blow hards. There is a saying in the northeast ny state. It goes like this, ´´if i wanted to hear any chit from you id squeeze your head´´ oh and another one too, ´´Oh please pick your feet up the BS here is getting deep´´! Thats for billy the gelding. My favorite,, ´´your talking chit because your mouth, knows better´´!

FYI
New blog post is up over blog. I tried to be nice i really did, but being nice just isint working anymore yanno?
Thanks crooks and liars for having this kick azz blog where ya can tell it like is,( with some restraint) and not feel as though you have a angry mob of ppl disagreeing:)

Have a nice day and greetings from germany :)

Best regards,,,

Nicole Belle @ 33:
Lyon, I'll say it again: this is not coming from Hillary supporters. For the record, any Obama supporter who goes around randomly-- and without evidence -- accusing Hillary supporters of doing this is playing right into these jerks' hands as well. That was the purpose of Operation Chaos.

I'm not even an American so it doesn't ultimately matter what I think but as an outside observer I can assure you that the image of bitter Hillary supporters willing to go so far as to vote for Abe Simpson simply out of spite is very much the perception being created. Kristol's not saying anything that isn't already out there, rather he's purposely (and somewhat obviously) fanning those embers.

Mike @ 26:

Time to play "Asshole, Jackoff, Scumbag"!

Bill Kristol: Asshole, Jackoff or Scumbag?

I say Jackoff because he so loves to hear himself speak, although the smirk qualifies him for Asshole status.

Come on Mike; Jackoffs everywhere are offended! Everyone knows Kristol is a DickHead!

motorfingaz @ 25:

Jo @ 19:

Tom (Not Tom) @ 18:

I swear I'm going to kick this guy in the nuts if I ever see him on the street.

You'll have to stand in line.

Im next in line!!

Not me, I'm going to kick Kristol in the place his nuts would be if he were a man and not a Rovebot.

PEACE

28 Lyon

Most are not that bitter, but some may be.

Think of how many elections some have argued that the Democrats take the minority vote for granted, and that those minority voters should look around to see what's available, if only to be heard that they want their issues addressed. Now one could easily shift that argument to how the woman vote may be taken for granted. This is especially so since women tend to turn out to vote more than men do. Should they shut up and stay in the kitchen?

Preferably naked, pregnant and in stilleto heels like in Juggs magazine.

The presence of Williams and Liasson give unwarranted legitimacy to faux news.
Kristol is a traitorous cocksucker. I'll bet a lot of high profile, right wing, fascist gisum has flowed past his traitorous tongue.

Lying POS Republicans just love Hillary now.

Jo @ 43:

Lyon @ 36:

Nicole Belle @ 33:
Lyon, I'll say it again: this is not coming from Hillary supporters. For the record, any Obama supporter who goes around randomly-- and without evidence -- accusing Hillary supporters of doing this is playing right into these jerks' hands as well. That was the purpose of Operation Chaos.

I'm not even an American so it doesn't ultimately matter what I think but as an outside observer I can assure you that the image of bitter Hillary supporters willing to go so far as to vote for Abe Simpson simply out of spite is very much the perception being created. Kristol's not saying anything that isn't already out there, rather he's purposely (and somewhat obviously) fanning those embers.

Name me one prominent Democrat that has voiced your opinion.

Well, Bradley didn't do a buttload of fundraising for Gore, so will Hillary do?

I am so sick of the Clinton that I puke every time I see them. If Bill had kept his private in his pants Bush would never have been able to steel the election in 2000.
Now Hillary comes and wants to have her name put forward at the convention! Even that all the reports were telling that she could not win, she continue running and accumulated debts of 25 billions and wants Obama’s supporters paying for her stupidity.
It has always been about the Clintons, like this nation owe them something. I hear those words every time; it is not true because they were supposed to work for “We the people”. We do not owe them anything because if you thing about the congress during the Clinton’s era was that after 2 years in his presidency Democrats lost controlled it after 40 years. Bill gave us 2 old flames (one I recall Jennifer Flowers) and as a finish, he did give us Monika. He could not control his urge for adultery even with his wife in the same White House. The surplus in the national debt was because the welfare program was eliminated by the republicans.
Yes she is smart and care and would be great as a Supreme Court nominee.
That would put her in the very best place to help all women in this nation who claim that we are the freest country in the world while treating Women, Black, Brown, Asian are as a second citizen.
The Republicans rules are that they care about the rich and nothing else.
Let’s replace them all in the next election.

Kristol - speaking as always with two hands buried deep in the front of his trousers.
*

McSongbird

Lyon @ 45:

Jo @ 43:

Name me one prominent Democrat that has voiced your opinion.

I can't but that's not the issue. What I'm saying is that that is the PERCEPTION being created. And not just by FOX either. If you disagree, don't jump on my neck, take it up with the various media outlets.

Does ratfucker Larry Johnson count as prominent? As Democrat? The idea of nominating Hillary as VP may be all Kristol(nacht) but there are some still out there who are doing everything they can to bring Obama down. Everything from trying to prove Obama isn't a US citizen to being Muslim etcetera etcetera. THOSE are the people Kristol(meth) is trying to influence.

LunaStick @ 56:
Does ratfucker Larry Johnson count as prominent? As Democrat? The idea of nominating Hillary as VP may be all Kristol(nacht) but there are some still out there who are doing everything they can to bring Obama down. Everything from trying to prove Obama isn't a US citizen to being Muslim etcetera etcetera. THOSE are the people Kristol(meth) is trying to influence.

No. Larry Johnson has NEVER been a Democrat. He was a registered Republican and voted for GWB both times until Valerie Plame was outed. He's now a registered Independent.

Not a good analogy. LJ was never on our side.

Liberal AND Proud @ 59:

Obama/Biden is going to win big, despite the MSM and the attacks.

The destruction done by Kristol and his co-conspirators is plain for all to see, and will not be allowed to continue.

The end is near for them, and they know it.

You'd think that, however the fight will be hard and nasty.
I thought the same thing in '04 with Kerry (never understood though how HE got the nomination and not Howard Dean....never particularly cared for Kerry).
I pretty much went into a decent depression..... don't want to go there again.

KEEP FIGHTING, DON'T LET UP!!!!

ah a vision of loveliness, Herr Billy 'PNAC' Kristol

Jobless in California @ 60:

Liberal AND Proud @ 59:

Obama/Biden is going to win big, despite the MSM and the attacks.

The destruction done by Kristol and his co-conspirators is plain for all to see, and will not be allowed to continue.

The end is near for them, and they know it.

You'd think that, however the fight will be hard and nasty.
I thought the same thing in '04 with Kerry (never understood though how HE got the nomination and not Howard Dean....never particularly cared for Kerry).
I pretty much went into a decent depression..... don't want to go there again.

KEEP FIGHTING, DON'T LET UP!!!!

The right wing, and this includes the so-called MSM knew Howard Dean would be hard to beat so they concocted "the scream" and made Dean out to be a nutter. Kerry was easier to beat so the money went to support Kerry. Money well spent for them.

Despite the Dems and the allied main stream media’s desperation to see Romney as McCain’s Veep, Mitt is clearly out, with (1) Obama doubling down on the class warfare theme (McCain’s 7 houses) and (2) McCain doubling down with ads showing the hypocrisy of Biden attacking Obama in the primaries — Romney did way more than that contra McCain.

This leaves only Govs Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty. Pro-abortion Ridge and Dem-Lieberman were never real considerations, despite relentless media goading. Pawlenty’s lackluster TV performances, coupled with Palin pizzazz, the primacy of oil drilling and the ticked off women/Hillary voters, does now portend a McCain/Palin checkmate on the Dems. This is so albeit the Dems and liberal media dare not mention Palin’s name, that is, everyone but…..

And if there’s any question as to Palin being uniquely positioned and able to more than nullify Biden in debate, see the excellent discussion at palinforvp.blogspot.com

Team McCain, well done!!!

... it was a very tough primary season, made worse by the media’s need to fill up 24/7 with content that appeared to relish pitting Democrats against one another, usually quite unfairly. -NB

i will strongly opine that that is the ONLY reason why it went on so long, always and whenever possible encouraged and even manipulated by the clintons... it was her use of the ROVIAN-way that lost her the fans and support she had earlier deserved, which lost her the election.

i'm so sick of worrying about these posers and psychos and what they could do to screw up the last best chance to fix this mess... they are not supporters or patriots, they are ... ... fill it in.

selfish, at best.

Jobless in California @ 55:

not stupid @ 50:

I am so sick of the Clinton that I puke every time I see them. If Bill had kept his private in his pants Bush would never have been able to steel the election in 2000.
Now Hillary comes and wants to have her name put forward at the convention! Even that all the reports were telling that she could not win, she continue running and accumulated debts of 25 billions and wants Obama’s supporters paying for her stupidity.
It has always been about the Clintons, like this nation owe them something. I hear those words every time; it is not true because they were supposed to work for “We the people”. We do not owe them anything because if you thing about the congress during the Clinton’s era was that after 2 years in his presidency Democrats lost controlled it after 40 years. Bill gave us 2 old flames (one I recall Jennifer Flowers) and as a finish, he did give us Monika. He could not control his urge for adultery even with his wife in the same White House. The surplus in the national debt was because the welfare program was eliminated by the republicans.
Yes she is smart and care and would be great as a Supreme Court nominee.
That would put her in the very best place to help all women in this nation who claim that we are the freest country in the world while treating Women, Black, Brown, Asian are as a second citizen.
The Republicans rules are that they care about the rich and nothing else.
Let’s replace them all in the next election.

For crying out loud - for someone claiming not to be stupid you sure sound like it!

Jobless in California @ 55:

not stupid @ 50:

I am so sick of the Clinton that I puke every time I see them. If Bill had kept his private in his pants Bush would never have been able to steel the election in 2000.
Now Hillary comes and wants to have her name put forward at the convention! Even that all the reports were telling that she could not win, she continue running and accumulated debts of 25 billions and wants Obama’s supporters paying for her stupidity.
It has always been about the Clintons, like this nation owe them something. I hear those words every time; it is not true because they were supposed to work for “We the people”. We do not owe them anything because if you thing about the congress during the Clinton’s era was that after 2 years in his presidency Democrats lost controlled it after 40 years. Bill gave us 2 old flames (one I recall Jennifer Flowers) and as a finish, he did give us Monika. He could not control his urge for adultery even with his wife in the same White House. The surplus in the national debt was because the welfare program was eliminated by the republicans.
Yes she is smart and care and would be great as a Supreme Court nominee.
That would put her in the very best place to help all women in this nation who claim that we are the freest country in the world while treating Women, Black, Brown, Asian are as a second citizen.
The Republicans rules are that they care about the rich and nothing else.
Let’s replace them all in the next election.

For crying out loud - for someone claiming not to be stupid you sure sound like it!

katy @ 67:

... it was a very tough primary season, made worse by the media’s need to fill up 24/7 with content that appeared to relish pitting Democrats against one another, usually quite unfairly. -NB

i will strongly opine that that is the ONLY reason why it went on so long, always and whenever possible encouraged and even manipulated by the clintons... it was her use of the ROVIAN-way that lost her the fans and support she had earlier deserved, which lost her the election.

i'm so sick of worrying about these posers and psychos and what they could do to screw up the last best chance to fix this mess... they are not supporters or patriots, they are ... ... fill it in.

selfish, at best.

Say what you will, but the majority ARE supporters and patriots.
Yes, Clinton ran a bad and expensive campaign. Yes, yes, and yes - she did.
However, don't put down those who supported her.
At first I was going to vote for Obama, then, seeing the horrific sexism being displayed, I was put on the fence. Then I did see Clinton's horrible campaign, and I once again went back to Obama.
Still though, don't put down those who strongly favored Clinton. Don't put that schism into this election. Instead, try and understand why some people are so involved in Clinton, how she could have been the first woman president. THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT. Think about it, it would have been HUGE. And a lot of women, including myself, feel really strong about that. Don't discount that.

Instead, as I'm trying to do, reach out and convince people how voting for McCain would be putting the women's movement so many years back. How women's rights would be obliterated under a McCain administration.
How under Obama, international aid would no longer be tied to repressing women's reproductive rights. Hell, how NATIONAL reproductive rights would remain and strengthen under an Obama administration.

Please, don't put down those who are basically on your side. Try to get them there firmly by using rational arguments, rather than anger.

I know you can do it - I did as well. Simply back up a couple of steps and start from there.

not stupid @ 69:

You want to know why I am not stupid!
Well first I was educated in EU and USA. I do have 2 patents in my name in America! What is your?

Excuse me. I didn't say you WERE stupid, I said you SOUNDED stupid.
And again now, if I may add.
No, I was born and bred in EU (the Netherlands, in my case), I live in the US since 1986, and I don't have any patents in my name. (Easy to get some though.)
Does that make you feel better?
Chill.

Nicole Belle @ 47:

Lyon @ 36:

Nicole Belle @ 33:

Lyon, I'll say it again: this is not coming from Hillary supporters. For the record, any Obama supporter who goes around randomly-- and without evidence -- accusing Hillary supporters of doing this is playing right into these jerks' hands as well. That was the purpose of Operation Chaos.

I'm not even an American so it doesn't ultimately matter what I think but as an outside observer I can assure you that the image of bitter Hillary supporters willing to go so far as to vote for Abe Simpson simply out of spite is very much the perception being created. Kristol's not saying anything that isn't already out there, rather he's purposely (and somewhat obviously) fanning those embers.

Who is creating that perception? The media, looking to fill their 24/7 content.

Taylor Marsh, who was as dedicated a Hillary supporter as you could find in the blogosphere (so much so that we got hate mail for linking her and she got death threats from Obama supporters), has very publicly said it's time to put primary politics behind us and concentrate on getting a Dem in the White House.

And ysbaddaden, you're going into that TMI place again. I don't want to know what you're reading for election coverage. ;)

I read Taylor Marsh's website, just to read the nutty comments. To be fair, she brought on a lot of anger herself. She publicly aired more than just disapproval of Obama and called him every name under the sun up until Hillary lost. Then tried to turn it around and support him. It didn't work out too well for her on her website. People that agreed with her attacks on Obama were angered with her flip flop.

I tend to laugh at these idiots on the Right who are harping on Obama's "lack of experience" and "oh, he hasn't been in Washington long enough."

What the hell were they thinking when Bush entered office?

From a link via ThinkProgress.org:

[Minnesota Gov. Tim] Pawlenty said Obama selected a "mentor," showing a lack of experience for the nation's highest post. Biden, 65, is a 35-year veteran of the U.S. Senate.

Yes, and Bush was so experienced. And it sure seems that when a Republican candidate crows about being a Washington outsider, it's a good thing.

General Jack D. Ripper @ 71:

...
Some Christian...and she can call me names, but we can't call her names! These people really are nuts; they're insane; there must be some defective gene that's common among all of them because I just cannot figure out what the hell is wrong with them.
...

the fruits of fright-wing hate radio.

Kristol is correct when he says, "...I am dubious..."

The right wing hates Hillary Clinton more than any other Democratic politician. They get their hate for her from the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity who have been spewig venom about her for years now. Kristol knows that if she were on the ticket, the right wingers would come out in droves to vote against her and McCain would be elected. But as it turns out, Clinton didn't get the nod and the right is bitterly disappointed because the Republican turnout will be lower.

katy @ 75:

don't worry about me, jobless... i don't need preachin' to...

but you were rather rude to 'not stupid' back there... consider that english may not be a first language before you react that way, next time...

as for all that "sexism" that was allegedly so prevalent, i didn't see any of it... well, there was the time she took advantage of the old faithful - who can resist a woman who tears up... it's worked so well for all of us at one time or another, hasn't it?

but, i didn't hang with the hillary crowd, so i missed all the sexism... but, man, you shouldda heard some of the RACISM that I did! wooh!

but, yea, it's true... we need to work together to get OBAMA-BIDEN in the white house and begin the process of cleaning up the mess... which is why i have no respect or patience with anyone who even has to THINK about it at this point.

the trouble makers are posers and psychos... NOT supporters NOR patriots.

it's NOT about "THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT" any more.

and it was never about the first BLACK president, for me - it's about the BEST president.

Also, btw, I am in no position to be preaching to anyone, so if you took, whatever I said, to be preachy......didn't mean to.

However, being jobless and all, you think I could have a career going in preaching/public speaking/headline blogging???? Please tell me yes.
My unemployment is not covering my mortgage, and I'd hate to be a statistic in the Foreclosure Crisis!!!

RobertD @ 85:

Great post today from Minneapolis's City Pages at the Democratic convention about how Hillary can be the hero of the convention AND take McCain out with one speech:

http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/2008/08/mccain_opens_th.php

She's a good speaker; she can do it.

i hope she will look beyond herself.....i would have supported hillary had she gotten the nod....it didn't
happen. obviously they want us to fight amongst ourselves....unfortunately there will be people here and in our party that will listen to this nonsense. kristol is not our friend they guy has an agenda

I lost my healthcare too, for that matter.
My partner and I were registered as domestic partners however I won't be able to join her plan until the next 'Open Enrollment'......January 2009.

Here we go again... Republican dimwits telling intelligent Democrats what to do. Good thing Obama doesn't listen to Kristol's advice.

No, I was born and bred in EU (the Netherlands, in my case), I live in the US since 1986, and I don't have any patents in my name. (Easy to get some though.)
Does that make you feel better?
Chill.

Hey, Jobless.

Hoe gaat het met jou?

I probably didn't say that right, but I once lived and worked in Den Haag for 4 years....miss living in The Netherlands and Europe quite a bit!

Tot ziens!

Hoe gaat het met jou? (How are you?) Well, as you can see, I'm Jobless, so I've been better.
No matter where, how and whatever you lived - you still SOUNDED stupid (honestly, no offense, just a hope that you'd be able to take that comment and reflect. As I have.) Having lived in the Netherlands, I would hope you would have learned something from "my people" - kindness, compassion, openness etc. Please, look back on your time there (although Den Haag, the city of the central government may not have given you an accurate sense of the country. Then again, in 4 years, I'd hope you would have traveled around the country for a bit)

tot gauw

Hey, Jobless...so am I!

Hope you didn't confuse me with someone else....I think your first comment about "No matter where, how, and whatever...." was directed towards someone else. I wasn't involved at all in the conversations about someone sounding stupid!

Oh, well.

I loved living in The Netherlands, and, Europe in general. Yes, the people were very nice....kind....and, yes, very open, very direct. I traveled quite a bit in Europe in those 4 years, including in The Netherlands. Living in Den Haag, I went to nearby Delft very often....one of my favorite places, anywhere in the world. Also went to Leiden often....again, a very nice place. I really liked Maastricht....but that was over 3 hours away, and I didn't go there as much as I would have liked to. Gouda is a very nice place I went to a number times, and I also really liked Haarlem, where I went a number of times. I went to the Keukenhof at least once a year, every year I was there; been to the Waterworks in Zeeland (really cool); and my first year there, our company took us skutje sailing in Friesland...very nice. Of course, Amsterdam is a very nice, very fun city, and I did go there often.

I worked there from early 1998 to early 2002. I last went back in March/April 2004 to visit friends for a month, and it just so happened that Queen Juliana had just died, so I went to her funeral procession with my friend Suzy. We hung outside of Nordeinde Palace in Den Haag and watched her
Royal Hearse go by.

To tell you the truth, I actually have been to a very large number of places in the entire country. My group was responsible for designing a cell phone network in all of The Netherlands, so I became very familiar with most of the country. My Dutch friends told me that I knew the country better than they did!

Well, that's enough....I really do miss living there. Those were the happiest, the best 4 years of my life. I've been in a major funk since I moved back to the States in 2002 and have had to put up with Bush and his idiot administration. That's why I just hope to God that Democrats do unite and vote for Obama....it will be so incredibly depressing if McCain gets in.

Ah, thank goodness... Prince Billy has given us some good advice here, since we have no idea what we should do with ourselves. I think it's a marvelous service he performs, giving advice where none is required, sort of a charity for those who would attempt to act sensibly... Prince Billy will prevent teh sensibility!

Mr. Kristol, if I ever take ANY sort of advice from you seriously, that will be the day I eat my truck. You are monumentally wrong about everything, and if anyone should be shunned and banished from making public statements, it is you.

Yes, please, oh please, continue the nonsense. You are completely self-parodying, not to mention a waste of skin.

Why do you hate America, Prince Billy?

These Repug dirty tricks are so out in the open now its just shameful.The way they interfere with the democratic process pulling these kinds of stunts should no longer be tolerated by decent reasonable folks from either side of the political divide.I'm sure Bill K. is acting in concert with these phony "Hillary for McCain" groups that have been popping up like mold spores lately.Enough already.

Davis @ 86:

The right wing hates Hillary Clinton more than any other Democratic politician. They get their hate for her from the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity who have been spewig venom about her for years now. Kristol knows that if she were on the ticket, the right wingers would come out in droves to vote against her and McCain would be elected. But as it turns out, Clinton didn't get the nod and the right is bitterly disappointed because the Republican turnout will be lower.

and that's the TRUTH!

plain and simple... and why i begged her not to run.

General Jack D. Ripper @ 96:

No, I was born and bred in EU (the Netherlands, in my case), I live in the US since 1986, and I don't have any patents in my name. (Easy to get some though.)
Does that make you feel better?
Chill.

Hey, Jobless.

Hoe gaat het met jou?

I probably didn't say that right, but I once lived and worked in Den Haag for 4 years....miss living in The Netherlands and Europe quite a bit!

Tot ziens!

Hoe gaat het met jou? (How are you?) Well, as you can see, I'm Jobless, so I've been better.
No matter where, how and whatever you lived - you still SOUNDED stupid (honestly, no offense, just a hope that you'd be able to take that comment and reflect. As I have.) Having lived in the Netherlands, I would hope you would have learned something from "my people" - kindness, compassion, openness etc. Please, look back on your time there (although Den Haag, the city of the central government may not have given you an accurate sense of the country. Then again, in 4 years, I'd hope you would have traveled around the country for a bit)

tot gauw

Hey, Jobless...so am I!

Hope you didn't confuse me with someone else....I think your first comment about "No matter where, how, and whatever...." was directed towards someone else. I wasn't involved at all in the conversations about someone sounding stupid!

Oh, well.

I loved living in The Netherlands, and, Europe in general. Yes, the people were very nice....kind....and, yes, very open, very direct. I traveled quite a bit in Europe in those 4 years, including in The Netherlands. Living in Den Haag, I went to nearby Delft very often....one of my favorite places, anywhere in the world. Also went to Leiden often....again, a very nice place. I really liked Maastricht....but that was over 3 hours away, and I didn't go there as much as I would have liked to. Gouda is a very nice place I went to a number times, and I also really liked Haarlem, where I went a number of times. I went to the Keukenhof at least once a year, every year I was there; been to the Waterworks in Zeeland (really cool); and my first year there, our company took us skutje sailing in Friesland...very nice. Of course, Amsterdam is a very nice, very fun city, and I did go there often.

I worked there from early 1998 to early 2002. I last went back in March/April 2004 to visit friends for a month, and it just so happened that Queen Juliana had just died, so I went to her funeral procession with my friend Suzy. We hung outside of Nordeinde Palace in Den Haag and watched her
Royal Hearse go by.

To tell you the truth, I actually have been to a very large number of places in the entire country. My group was responsible for designing a cell phone network in all of The Netherlands, so I became very familiar with most of the country. My Dutch friends told me that I knew the country better than they did!

Well, that's enough....I really do miss living there. Those were the happiest, the best 4 years of my life. I've been in a major funk since I moved back to the States in 2002 and have had to put up with Bush and his idiot administration. That's why I just hope to God that Democrats do unite and vote for Obama....it will be so incredibly depressing if McCain gets in.

I bow my head in shame - I must have responded to you while assuming that 'Not Stupid' replied to my post. I am very very sorry if you're not 'Not Stupid'......obviously, clearly your not stupid, never mind the heading of your post. Again, sorry....
I know how you feel about the US....mind you, I live here, have a Green Card, no citizenship (don't tell anyone, 'cause I've been telling them how I vote. In reality, I'm getting people around me to register to vote while telling them what's at stake. Also, I live in East Oakland, California. A lot, a lot, did I say A LOT of hopelesness going around)

I think Billy boy likes to visit C&L and look at his goofy mug every Sunday. I really do.

Jobless in California @ 104:

General Jack D. Ripper @ 96:

No, I was born and bred in EU (the Netherlands, in my case), I live in the US since 1986, and I don't have any patents in my name. (Easy to get some though.)
Does that make you feel better?
Chill.

Hey, Jobless.

Hoe gaat het met jou?

I probably didn't say that right, but I once lived and worked in Den Haag for 4 years....miss living in The Netherlands and Europe quite a bit!

Tot ziens!

Hoe gaat het met jou? (How are you?) Well, as you can see, I'm Jobless, so I've been better.
No matter where, how and whatever you lived - you still SOUNDED stupid (honestly, no offense, just a hope that you'd be able to take that comment and reflect. As I have.) Having lived in the Netherlands, I would hope you would have learned something from "my people" - kindness, compassion, openness etc. Please, look back on your time there (although Den Haag, the city of the central government may not have given you an accurate sense of the country. Then again, in 4 years, I'd hope you would have traveled around the country for a bit)

tot gauw

Hey, Jobless...so am I!

Hope you didn't confuse me with someone else....I think your first comment about "No matter where, how, and whatever...." was directed towards someone else. I wasn't involved at all in the conversations about someone sounding stupid!

Oh, well.

I loved living in The Netherlands, and, Europe in general. Yes, the people were very nice....kind....and, yes, very open, very direct. I traveled quite a bit in Europe in those 4 years, including in The Netherlands. Living in Den Haag, I went to nearby Delft very often....one of my favorite places, anywhere in the world. Also went to Leiden often....again, a very nice place. I really liked Maastricht....but that was over 3 hours away, and I didn't go there as much as I would have liked to. Gouda is a very nice place I went to a number times, and I also really liked Haarlem, where I went a number of times. I went to the Keukenhof at least once a year, every year I was there; been to the Waterworks in Zeeland (really cool); and my first year there, our company took us skutje sailing in Friesland...very nice. Of course, Amsterdam is a very nice, very fun city, and I did go there often.

I worked there from early 1998 to early 2002. I last went back in March/April 2004 to visit friends for a month, and it just so happened that Queen Juliana had just died, so I went to her funeral procession with my friend Suzy. We hung outside of Nordeinde Palace in Den Haag and watched her
Royal Hearse go by.

To tell you the truth, I actually have been to a very large number of places in the entire country. My group was responsible for designing a cell phone network in all of The Netherlands, so I became very familiar with most of the country. My Dutch friends told me that I knew the country better than they did!

Well, that's enough....I really do miss living there. Those were the happiest, the best 4 years of my life. I've been in a major funk since I moved back to the States in 2002 and have had to put up with Bush and his idiot administration. That's why I just hope to God that Democrats do unite and vote for Obama....it will be so incredibly depressing if McCain gets in.

I bow my head in shame - I must have responded to you while assuming that 'Not Stupid' replied to my post. I am very very sorry if you're not 'Not Stupid'......obviously, clearly your not stupid, never mind the heading of your post. Again, sorry....
I know how you feel about the US....mind you, I live here, have a Green Card, no citizenship (don't tell anyone, 'cause I've been telling them how I vote. In reality, I'm getting people around me to register to vote while telling them what's at stake. Also, I live in East Oakland, California. A lot, a lot, did I say A LOT of hopelesness going around)

See, now you touched a nerve. Queen Juliana was my favorite. My grandmother had a bracelet with all kings and queens of the past. When my grandmother passed, my mother had all coins of the bracelet made into necklaces, and we were asked which one we wanted. I had no doubt = I wanted Juliana.
I’m wearing the necklace as I write this. I cried when Juliana passed. She was a real queen of the people - I loved her.
To see that you were able to see her Royal Hearse go by……it hurts me. I was here in the US and was not able to go.
Where do you live right now?

General Jack D. Ripper @ 109:

Jobless in California @ 107:

Jack D. Ripper (I do think you oughta get another name!!!0

I worked there from early 1998 to early 2002. I last went back in March/April 2004 to visit friends for a month, and it just so happened that Queen Juliana had just died, so I went to her funeral procession with my friend Suzy. We hung outside of Nordeinde Palace in Den Haag and watched her
Royal Hearse go by.

See, now you touched a nerve. Queen Juliana was my favorite. My grandmother had a bracelet with all kings and queens of the past. When my grandmother passed, my mother had all coins of the bracelet made into necklaces, and we were asked which one we wanted. I had no doubt = I wanted Juliana.
I'm wearing the necklace as I write this. I cried when Juliana passed. She was a real queen of the people - I loved her.
To see that you were able to see her Royal Hearse go by......it hurts me. I was here in the US and was not able to go.
Where do you live right now?

Hi, Jobless.

I went back to this thread...hope you see this.

I fully understand your confusion...and, I think there might be something wrong with the server on these threads tonight....something weird seems to be happening.

Anyway, I live in the St. Louis area right now; lived in Chicago for a few years after I moved back from Europe, but last year, I moved back to St. Louis, where I grew up....my parents aren't getting any younger.

By the way, the name General Jack D. Ripper comes from the movie "Dr. Strangelove...Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb." (1964) Don't know if you have seen it.....one of my favorite movies of all time, with Peter Sellers and George C. Scott. Stanley Kubrick wrote the screenplay and was the director. Peter Sellers plays 3 characters. The scene near the very end with Slim Pickens is just one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Sterling Hayden played General Jack D. Ripper, a crazed general who goes real beserk and puts things in place to start a nuclear holocaust. If you haven't seen it, you really should.

Hi again.

I accidentally hit the submit comment button before I finished.

By the way, where are you living now? Did I see California? Threads were kind of messed up tonight, so I'm not sure if I really saw this.

I greatly admire Juliana as well. I get chills up and down my spine when I read about what she did for the Dutch, how much the Dutch loved her, and what the Dutch did to help people in WWII....and to think that I actually lived there for 4 years makes me very proud. Showing her respect at her funeral procession also meant a lot to me. If it were not for my family and most of my friends who live here, and if I could get a job again in The Netherlands, I'd move back to stay there. My father is descendant from Irish and German; my mother from Irish and Dutch, although we're a little confused about the Dutch part. My grandma on my mom's side was a "Leveling" (not sure if I'm spelling that correctly), and from what I can tell, that name is from the south....Limburg province....but, again, we're really not sure. I really should do some more research on this.

Anyway, it's about 01:30 in the morning here....I should get to bed!

Have a nice week!

He's right. It's a lost cause.

Jo @ 66:

Jobless in California @ 60:

Liberal AND Proud @ 59:

Obama/Biden is going to win big, despite the MSM and the attacks.

The destruction done by Kristol and his co-conspirators is plain for all to see, and will not be allowed to continue.

The end is near for them, and they know it.

You'd think that, however the fight will be hard and nasty.
I thought the same thing in '04 with Kerry (never understood though how HE got the nomination and not Howard Dean....never particularly cared for Kerry).
I pretty much went into a decent depression..... don't want to go there again.

KEEP FIGHTING, DON'T LET UP!!!!

The right wing, and this includes the so-called MSM knew Howard Dean would be hard to beat so they concocted "the scream" and made Dean out to be a nutter. Kerry was easier to beat so the money went to support Kerry. Money well spent for them.

Which is why Obama has a great opportunity to win.

He was not the "MSM choice", Hillary was. Why do you think the MSM keeps trying to tear Obama down, and keeps covering Hillary. I know the general consensus is that they are doing it because it makes a great story. That assumes that the news media is still populated by journalists, rather than stenographers. You can't have it both ways. Either the MSM is populated by shills or by real journalists.

I think we know the answer to that one.

Obama/Biden '08

Hillary got where she is on the bootstraps of others? How obnoxious you are!!
The same can be said of Obama and the people that helped him are shocked that he doesn't even say hello to them.

Dear Clinton PUMA supporters,

Let me share some thoughts with you concerning your reluctance to support Obama. As an African American I've voted for Bill twice and would've voted for Hillary if she had won the nomination. I truly believe another Rethuglican administration would be catastrophic for this country. If it is seen by the Black community that Obama lost because of your lack of support, then when Hillary runs in 2012 she will fail. The term White working class voter seems like coded speak to me.I'm black and a working class voter. Is my vote not important to you? I've already given it to you twice, and was willing to do it a third. Hillary or no democrat will win without the support of the majority of African Americans. So if you want to withhold you vote for Obama because of your selfishness, then you have already lost 2012 for Hillary. And before you come back with "What about all the things the Clinton's have done for Blacks" Remember that works both ways. During Bill's Monica problem, it was African American support that was the majority of his support during impeachment. If you really want to take your frustrations out, I suggest you look no further than her campaign manager. Why in the world would you not campaign in the states where he reeled off 12 in a row is beyond me. If she had won just half of those caucus states, the she would be the nominee.

i posted today at PUMA trying to say that voting for mccain is voting against hillary. whew! take a look at how they jumped on me (comments Terri Sherron)
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/welcome-new-pumas/#comment...

sad, really. they have lost all perspective and can't see that they are being prostituted by rove and co.

think i'll gladly stay here with you all, at least when we disagree we're still respectful.

Davis @ 86:

The right wing hates Hillary Clinton more than any other Democratic politician. They get their hate for her from the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity who have been spewig venom about her for years now. Kristol knows that if she were on the ticket, the right wingers would come out in droves to vote against her and McCain would be elected. But as it turns out, Clinton didn't get the nod and the right is bitterly disappointed because the Republican turnout will be lower.

Don't know any Republicans do you? They're scared to death of Obama: black & Muslim.

kAT @ 122:

Davis @ 86:

The right wing hates Hillary Clinton more than any other Democratic politician. They get their hate for her from the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity who have been spewig venom about her for years now. Kristol knows that if she were on the ticket, the right wingers would come out in droves to vote against her and McCain would be elected. But as it turns out, Clinton didn't get the nod and the right is bitterly disappointed because the Republican turnout will be lower.

Don't know any Republicans do you? They're scared to death of Obama: black & Muslim.

Rush and some illiterate sittin' in a tree
Rush says "reader wont you rectify me
I've been gobbling up Viagra and munching Oxycontin
You're the one whose gonna help me get what I'm wantin'"

Can you feel it Rush, you know its true...
Read between the lines
were through with the likes of you

Its you're your worst fear here, of influence abating
despite a phat new contract, another decade of hating

But your past your peak, audience soon a slippin'
Stridency betraying a mind that's a flippin'

Were on to you Rushie boy, fathers and mothers
and all who ask; "what happens to others?"

From what dark space doth your soul reside?
With blood on your Mic, intolerance inside...

From KFBK to an adman's whore
You used to be funny, but not any more....

You have to remember that in the eyes of Republicans Bill Kristol is ALWAYS right & President Bush is ALWAYS right. They never make mistakes.

I also say that Bill Kristol must have a big twinkle in his eyes because if John McCain is elected he will be so happy because there will be wars with Iran & Russia & every other rogue nation in the world. Republicans love them a lot of war.

Bill Kristol looks like a used car salesman. Your picture has him in that ugly 1970's horizontal striped red and gold necktie he sometimes wears two Sundays in a row on Wallace's Farce News program. Imagine, too stingy to buy a couple of new neckties. That guy is so anal retentive he hasn't crapped since college.