Mid Day Open Thread
By Bill W. Sunday Aug 31, 2008 3:00pmBest McCain Analogy Evah...
From the comments on the Just Because McCain Says He’s a “Maverick” Doesn’t Make It So post:
A high school friend of mine had an old Maverick. It had lots of miles and was pretty run down. It didn't always start in the winter, and it overheated pretty easily if you drove it to far. On the highway it generally pulled to the right, but it could change direction in an instant - almost so fast you couldn't remember the original direction.
Of course it used a ton of gas, burnt oil and created clouds of smoke. But every time my buddy got pulled over, he'd tell the cops the car had been towed and spent a long time in the pound. For some reason, that excuse seemed to work all the time…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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Some large signs in the bay area:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/some-from-labor-day-weekend.html
love my job...
quite a day.
Does McCain’s World = Wayne’s World?
But here's the ultimate proof that McCain Lost His Maverick Status
Maverick!
Hmm...what's in the news today... :)
The car spend a long time in TOW and gets a free pass? Wow!
El Cid @ 4:
Been a while since you mowed your lawn? ;)
Good one!
There's a Palin Youtube that's pretty funny.
At least Bristol was fortunate to live in a great nation where she had the freedom to make her choice. The American Taliban Idiots were praying for a deluge of rain to harm Obama's Speech, and now the GOP Festival has been hit by two hurricanes.
God works in mysterious ways. I find it crazy that Palin belives the earth was created 6,000 years ago, but doesn't believe that human beings are damaging the creation. She only believes in abstinece only education, I believe in abstinence and birth control. I'm pro life and pro choice. How can you be pro life and pro war or pro hunting. It's the hypocrisy stupid. regards
I'm going to go have a drink on this great day off. happy labor day America. Let's take our country back. OBAMABIDEN11042008
The analogy has it that the pound is the equivalent to a POW camp - in which McCain was tortured - and because of this he is unreliable? How damn offensive. I've supported this site for years but as a vet this really pisses me off.
Hell, I remember that car...pretending to be sporty on the outside, but with nothing but sh*t on the inside. Just like the "Maverick" now running for Prez.
ahahah @ 5:
Ok, let me be the first to say it...are we to believe that a 5 month old pregnancy now precludes a pregnancy by the same woman in which the (first) baby was born in April? Even Big Bird can count well enough to see that such a scenario is perfectly possible. What is UP with these people?
So would that make Palin a "Pinto" since she self-destructs when tapped from the rear?
Yeah!! What you said, Bill W!
I will also add, LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Pete Rooke
Get over it, move on, etc, etc
Palin's teen daughter is knocked up?
Is this the first or second time?
Anonymous Hussein @ 12:
I have tried to avoid all of this stuff, but I have to admit it just gets curiouser and curiouser
Why this pregnancy situation matters:
1) Shows McCain really didn't vet her - He would NOT have taken her as running mate with this kind of baggage, goes to his judgement and what else there could be out there.
2) Shows that absentee parents really aren't a good idea - either the husband or her (or both) should be staying closer home and keeping an eye on the kids.
3) Shows abstinence only education doesn't work
4) Shows that S.P. isn't looking for what is best for her family - if she was she wouldn't be running for VP, or would at least have the decency not to introduce them to the nation on national TV.
5) If you act holier-than-thou you better be holier-than-thou
6) Health insurance - who is going to provide it for the child, I sure hope that the grandchild of the Gov doesn't get free state sponsored health care while millions of other children don't. It better be provided with private funds.
What. A. Riot!
Time to start churning out those old maverick bumper stickers and buttons! This is great.
Thanks Bill.
Lately McCain is more like a Pinto.
It's not just the baby. It's death by a thousand cuts.
Huffpost sums it up best http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
i'm still waiting for a comparison from a (R) voter...comparing Governor Palin and U.S. Senator Biden
no...not comparing Palin and Obama that's not the comparison...please compare both v.p. candidates.
if you can start with foreign affairs.
Does the Palin Home School include sex ed?
McCain appointed Palin in a misguided attempt to the Hillary supporters. He thought that they would vote for her just because she has a volvo...
Pete Rooke @ 10:
What? Well, your fellow vets sure don't all agree with you.
Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.): McCain’s POW Defense: Devaluing Our Service and His Own
Captain Brandon Friedman, VetVoice: John McCain Needs to Lay Off the POW Talk
Vietnam Vet and former POW Dr. Phillip Butler: Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
... and so on.
If Gustav does minimal damage we can't allow combat dodgers Bush and Cheney to dodge their own convention and using Gustav as an excuse without bringing it front and center. We need chants of "Where's Bush and Cheney!" during their convention somewhere where it will be seen and covered. At the Fascistovention 2008 at don't know where that would be?
Obama says back-off on the pregnancy crap!
Didn't anyone think there would be blow back coming from dwelling on this story and the rumored false pregnancy crap.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/obama-back-off/
justabill @ 26:
I forgot to add: POWn'd, You Lose!
thE corporate media seems to only be able to report HURRICANES and only interested in reporting HURRICANES and bad political theater . And when McCain's VP PALIN is being INVESTIGATED for possible ABUSE of Power in Alaska , a 100,000 dollar investigation authorized by both Republicans and Democrats for putting pressure on Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her brother in law state Trooper and claiming she never talked to him , when he claims she did TWICE and people in her office are on TAPE , putting pressure on him , they have the nerve to hype her pregnant daughter story and really should go back to only reporting and over reporting the Hurricane , at the cost of OTHER important news around the world .
Just when you think news is getting bad , it gets even WORST on a daily bases , but of course it's not about informing people with serious info , it's to occupy people minds with exciting pictures .
Well done!
New McSame-Palin campaign button avaliable:
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Pay it forward.
A Maverick would have picked Joe LIE-berman but he caved or Joe said no thanks. The thing about VP Picks is the guy never picks someone smarter than him (with one exception when Cheney picked himself). So how dumb is Grampi McSame for picking Gov. Palin?
Time to take a serious look at Repub buzz words and phrases:
Maverick---sounds like free spirit, but also means uncooperative, uncompromising, wild and out of control.
Fiscal Conservative---sounds responsible, but the proof is in the deficit, and budget.
family values---sounds "familial" but often used to cover abuses of accepted moral conduct
hero---patriotic to be sure, but used so freely that it's true meaning is being diluted.
Pow---(see above) as pertains to McCain
values---a high quality word, but too often describes lack thereof when used to manipulate
Others? please feel free They talk so much I'm sure there's more, but calling them on these terms should take back the lexicon they have stolen.
Rasputin @ 28:
On one hand Obama is right. On the other if she's a family values hypocrite it should come out. I don't care about this sort of thing when it involves a Democrat because Democrats don't try to legislate morality against their fellow Americans then hypocritically expect a free pass.
JimboSlice @ 18:
If Palins husband can claim some Native American/Eskimo blood, he and all his descendants can get free government health care for life from the federal HHS Indian Health Service.
kep @ 33:
Maybe Palin was in fact a setup, a red herring with which to sandbag the Dobson et al fundie nitwit meddlers who’d thought they’d anointed her and “forced her” on McSame. She blows up on the launch pad, and Mork Romney or Leavermann rides in to save the day.
“We tried.”
the palin pick is a strategy to get 'new' voters. some people will vote just due to gender and of course evangelicals/the base will love her. personally i feel
it's a serious judgement mistake. all criticism(s) of palin will be used against us....they won't/can't except hillary now they won't except sarah....make it gender based.
i believe most if not all liberals don't care about the gender of the candidate but the issues. in the case of the v.p. nominee(s) are they ready to be president.....
sarah palin is clearly not ready and especially when compared to joe biden
justabill @ 29:
I myself have no inclination to support McCain. As I've said elsewhere:
It wasn't Gore who was a drunk driving cocaine addict, that was President Bush
It wasn't Kerry who went AWOL during Vietnam because he was on coke, that was President Bush
It wasn't Obama who pushes issues like Abortion, Gay Marriage, and Family Values, that's the Grand Old Party
If you don't want an abortion, don't get one, that's your freedom of choice. Want to defend marriage, ban divorce. regards
JimboSlice @ 18:
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my neighbor, who lives in a red barn has a presidential candidate like that, too...
JimboSlice @ 18:
So having children now disqualifies candidates. Pregnant teen children should disqualify a candidate........wow......now you can narrow down the Prez candidate field to.................OLD MEN LIKE JOHNNY McCAIN.....you sure are helping the Dem cause with this 1950s style rhetoric. I just cannot believe that female posters on here are jumping on this bandwagon. What's next? She's too attractive? Too female? Hey, maybe Obama is too black. Too young. He has to raise his kids.. Oh wait that is the woman's job in 1950s USA.
Holy crap. Now I KNOW why the US has had so many screwed up Presidents. You people are right twisted in your logic sometimes.
If only Bush came out against the swiftboat lies against Kerry the way Obama is asking we stop talking about something that is the truth about Palin and instead focus on bigger issues. If I needed any reason to know how much bigger a man and a better leader Obama would be than Bush, there it is. Of course unlike with Obama and this story, Bush and Rove were behind the swiftboaters.
The Obama campaign is right to take that stance.
People who are sick and tired of hearing the Repigs shriek about their precious family values will hardly be so understanding. Shame about those young people; too bad that they didn't have proper sex education or contraceptives.
Ruthless People @ 44:
Who is to say there isn't some Dem strategist behind these stories? How much money do you think is involved with having your party in power for 4 to 8 years?
why is it OK for palin to raise taxes on oil co. profit but when obama talks taxes he gets beat up?
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/30/palin-raised-taxes-on-oil-c...
RNC poll, Biden or Palin:
http://www.gop.mfbiz.com/#/newpalinbidenpoll/4530692820
ConcernedCanuck @ 46:
The Dem strategist got the daughter pregnant?
ConcernedCanuck @ 43:
Holy crap, now i know why everyone is always making fun of canada, ehhh
you didn't even read the guys points, many of which are good, and none of which you touch upon in your post.....
Webster defines maverick as: "one who takes an independent stand, as in politics". Ain't that a laugh? Votes with Bush 95% of the time; is part of the Good Ole Boys network; and is OWNED by the Southern Baptist, evangelicals when he is forced to choose Sarah Palin as VP. She may have shaken up the state of Alaska, but while she was taking names and kicking ass...her 17yo daughter was having an affair and is now 5 months pregnant...out of wedlock. Maverick..YEAH! SOMEONE needs to send him brother Websters' defination and a copy of his voting record, and the mandate he received from James Dobson, Pat Robinson, the Southern Baptist Conference and the Evangelicals. HE IS OWNED!
God help this nation if those hypocrites get back into power!
StirFry @ 48:
Cool, Biden 93-Palin 7
This is Awesome!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEW12XLUM7A&eurl=http://sarabenincasa.wor...
StirFry @ 48:
omg, 93% to 7% in favor of Binden on a RNC website? Is that for real?
There's the standard, everyday baggage that many people carry around and then there's the trailer park, white trash, I-shop-at-WalMart kind that says "blame my mommy and daddy for the way I was raised."
Another hurricane just hit landfall and it's heading straight for the trailer park.
Pete Rooke @ 39: [...]
Well, then you ought to recognize that the analogy hits McCain for using his time a POW as an excuse ("For some reason, that excuse seemed to work all the time…"), not saying that it somehow means he is "unreliable" as you feigned offense about above.
ConcernedCanuck @ 43:
Having children doesn't disqualify you from being president. Pregnant teen children shouldn't either. HOWEVER there are times in your life when it probably isn't a good time to be running the most powerful country in the free world. There are times in your life where your attention should be focused else-where. 4 months after having a down-syndrome baby and when your 17-year old is pregnant is probably one of those times. I want a president who will devote their full attention to this country, and still have enough left over to deal with their family. I don't want a president whose family life is in shambles and who has to spend much of their time concentrating on the problems of their family.
I would also like to point to my post and #2: either her OR her husband should have stayed at home more to take care of the kids. He didn't, she didn't the kids lost. This isn't 1950's america where the mom should stay home to raise the kids but this is still a society where you need constant supervision by both parents, and if there are problems in the family you should recognize that and scale back for a time. This would be one of those times for both her AND her husband.
ConcernedCanuck @ 46:
Who is it to say that it isn't some crazy Canadian who just wants to stir shit up?
This isn't a memoir. Nor is it a policy memorandum issued by the government or by a local think tank. Rather, it is an assessment of how the world is so full of besotted yobbos and sanctimonious, corrupt thieves that one need not seek them in a madhouse.
But before I continue, allow me to explain that I undeniably dislike Gov. Palin. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that Palin insists that she can absorb the anger of those people who seem to treat HRC with a reverence more appropriate for a cult of personality and turn this into votes for a fellow woman. Ha, ha..
In the long run, however, she's only fooling herself. Palin would be better off if he just admitted to himself that he is a diabolic aberrant-type. I use that label only when it's true. If you don't believe it is, then consider that it would be charitable of me not to mention that Palin's favorite activities include cheating, lying, and tricking people into believing that five-crystal generators can eliminate mind-control energies that are being radiated from secret, underground, government facilities.
{I jest but that is essentially her energy policy - i.e. non-existent}
Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that I, unlike Palin, refuse to cure the evil of discrimination with more discrimination. End of story. Actually, I should add that she says that power-hungry, sexist good-for-nothings make the best scout leaders and schoolteachers - such is her take on what makes appropriate educators and her stance on the homosexual agenda (I say that with a limited sense of sarcasm). That's her unvarying story, and it's a lie: an extremely boisterous and muzzy-headed lie. Unfortunately, it's a lie that is accepted unquestioningly, uncritically, by Palin's dupes.
My opinion is that Palin is right about one thing, namely that fear is what motivates us. Fear of what it means when the most mean-spirited forces you'll ever see inflict more death and destruction than Genghis Khan's hordes. Fear of what it says about our society when we teach our children that the average working-class person can't see through Palin's chicanery. And fear of pernicious wantwits like Palin who create an intimidating, hostile, or demeaning environment.
mudshark @ 52:
Babygate and Troopergate might not do her in but this poll could.
Now THAT'S an old "Maverick." Is that where Palin's child fornicated with that young man to beget Palin's down syndrome child, err, ah, grandchild?
I feel sorry for Palin's daughter. Her hormones overruled what she had been taught at home. Lots of teens have the same experience but many of those teens use contraceptives so they don't have to face what this girl has to face. She has no choice, she has to marry this guy whoever he is. Did anyone here make a long time, good, solid, thought out decision when they were 17? The odds of this marriage being a happy, long lasting relationship are not favorable. That's sad indeed, because she is being made to suffer due to her mother's stubborn beliefs.
ConcernedCanuck @ 43:
when you shove social lifestyle/issues down people's throats it becomes a issue for SOME not all. i believe most would rather talk issues and we should but the fact of the matter this woman would be second in command potentially first in command even more so mccain will be 72.5. the female vote is important palin opposes 'the Pill' and the use of condoms. what type of role model is she. in addition to that i haven't seen/heard a comparison between palin and biden no not obama.
one more topic of interest. how is palin going to do shared parenting of 4 children one of the children is a down syndrome newborn. to me she doesn't show good Judgement with her teenage girls or the care of a newborn. no i'm not gender prejudice/bias..both parents
are responsible ...i thought she belonged to the family values party.
More you-tube funny, possible repost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59mXowK2t8&feature=related
mudshark @ 58:
He does bitch a lot about both American parties doesn't he? I guess eveything's perfect in Canada. That or he's a Canadian troll.
This writer for Time Magazine says Palin is not opposed to birth control, I've read otherwise. He also says it's no ones business, I agree with that. That is why I believe in the freedom of choice. What a hell of an issue. Pro Life = Pro War?
Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1837862-2,00.html
And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that. I happen to agree.
Good legitimate Push Polling question to ask evangelicals:
If you heard that VP Nominee Sarah Palin's 17-year old daughter was having a baby out of wedlock, would that make you more or less inclined to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket in November?
constituent @ 23:
Here is the Democratic response to "but Palin is MORE experienced than Obama cuz she has made DECISIONS but Obama only makes SPEECHES."
Reframe it: the issue is JUDGEMENT not experience, and both Obama and Biden have shown better judgment than either McCain or Palin, on both domestic and foreign policy issues. Give examples.
End of story.
bilhelm-the trollop-X @ 64:
Oh that was funny, I think I pissed myself!
http://www.gop.mfbiz.com/#/newpalinbidenpoll/4530692820
Post American @ 66:
horseshit
it was everyone's biz when clinton got a bj in the wh
it was everyones biz when gore's son was caught with a dui
it was everyones biz when edwards banged some broad
this woman has chosen to place herself and her family in the public arena
when you fucking wingnuts take personal lives off the table...so shall we
until then, i want to hear and read every nasty filthy story about the grand ole perv party
and palin is for abstinence only ed
there is not one position paper on birth control
and she sure as shit didnt give her daughter any education about it
makes her a shitty parent and a hypocrite
i have spoken
Ruthless People @ 54:
It's mentioned on the John McCain website as well townhall dot com.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 71:
All Hail Uncle Joe!
Hail Uncle Joe, Hail Uncle Joe!
While i disagree with you on this, I can't say that you're wrong.
(CNN) — Top McCain adviser Steve Schmidt said Monday that newly-minted Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin informed John McCain of her daughter's pregnancy in one of their "private conversations" last week.
McCain aides insist the Arizona Republican already knew about the pregnancy prior to that conversation, having found out earlier during the lengthy vetting process.
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Exactly how did the vetting process turn up this pregnancy? Do they snoop around and look at people's medical records? Isn't that illegal?
Post American @ 66:
show me on their website anything that talks about birth control...or any links from their website to places that assist women with birth control
horseshit i say
feminist for life is another bullshit group
i have spoken
You certainly have. And you're 100% correct.
if grandpa and sara win.....I give you not the USA but the BSA(backward states of america)
Post American @ 66:
tell your republican friends to quit bringing up this issue every election so we don't talk about it. i agree it's personal and i don't want to talk about it....i'd rather discuss iraq or russia.......the (R) bring this up every time to divide voters who know little about the issues. personally i have a feeling palin knows little about foreign affair issues....but maybe she
does she only has to shared parenting of 4 children one is a
down syndrome newborn and she is campaigning for the second in command job.....it's irresponsible.
The GOP were rallying and supporting "Juno" the movie as having republican values. Go Figure!
Which is Ironic as Ellen Page is liberal is you can be, as she rides the bike and believes in conservation of our resource for a better future. She even stated that her portrayal of Juno was in no way a political message on her part.
I do believe that we should give everyone a break and acknowledge that we are all doing the best we can. We just have different ideas in going about it. So Palin's daughter is not entering politics as her mother is doing. What Palin have to say about her daughter situation is important. But leave the daughter out of the equation. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and we see how her role have played very little for Cheney's policy, if not downright cruel.
You get the idea that to the RNC 'to vet' means to make sure they'll toe the party line?
Like how they vetted applicants for jobs in the Justice Dept.
Like how they vetted applicants for jobs in recontructing Iraq.
Like how they vetted applicants for jobs in FEMA.
And like how they vetted the current choice for vp. Usually it leads to tragedy but sometimes it can bite them in ass.
Hooray for Abstinence-Only education!
From AP: Prominent religious conservatives, many of whom have been lukewarm toward McCain's candidacy, predicted that Palin's daughter's pregnancy would not diminish conservative Christian enthusiasm for the vice presidential hopeful, a staunch abortion opponent.
Focus on the Family founder James Dobson issued a statement commending the Palins for "for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances." He added: "Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord."
Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America called the pregnancy private. "It's a matter that should stay in the family and they have to work through it together. My prayers go out to them."
Added Combs: "We're excited about the governor and think she's going to do well."
Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: "We're all sinners."
"We all make mistakes. Certainly, the ideal is not to get pregnant out of wedlock. But she made the right decision after her mistake," he said.
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Can you believe these f#cking bastards?
pissed off patricia @ 62:
This is the problem I have with this story. I see pregnant 17 year-olds more than I like to admit as a consequence of being a teacher. I've seen supportive parents and those who kick the poor kids out. I'm sure I see many more who have chosen abortions. What I can't get over, though, is how one can support the marriage of your pregnant 17 year-old daughter. This is already a bad situation; a child having a child. Why compound that with supporting your child in a decision to make what is supposed to be a life-long commitment? This poor kid already has a life-long duty to be a mother before she's even fully an adult. Piling more adult responsibility upon her is just plain irresponsible. And before some of you can jump out and give the usual easy answer like "what do you expect, fundies like shotgun weddings" let me set you straight. Most fundies I know (myself included) would be doing anything possible to keep their unmarried pregnant minor daughters from marrying that baby-daddy. Marriage is supposed to be a solemn covenant, not entered lightly. A kid of that age isn't old enough to see the full implications. Responsible parents would not be talking about a wedding - even religious parents.
What angers me most though is the possibility of a teenage unwed mother becoming an issue among voters one way or another when there are real issues to be addressed. No wonder the USA is one of the world's biggest jokes!
ldzppln @ 74:
I'm pretty sure they are lying. Better to lie about knowing than look like you got sandbagged.
I saw the CNN story earlier, but they didn't have this statement:
Palin says 17-year-old daughter is pregnant
"John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's."
Campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors? So Bristol is having Sarah's SECOND grandchild. So how does releasing this story disprove the FACT that Trig is Bristol's child?
i realize a bias exist i would like to hear hillary clinton's response to this question. senator clinton: please give us your
professional opinion as to who is best prepared to be vice president of the united states governor palin or senator biden. of the two nominees who would be best to step if the president couldn't perform his duties?
ldzppln @ 74:
this is horseshit
again...lets go back to mcgovern
he too said that he knew about eagletons treatment for depression....and that was bullshit too
Carps @ 24:
evidently not, but it does teach how to lie in public by example.
theWalrus @ 81:
This is it right here! She had a choice! The issue is CHOICE! The Freedom to make that decision for yourself. Period.
We should thank McCain for framing it like that.
Ruthless People @ 54:
Good question..
www.gop.mfbiz.com ?? Republican National Committee? What about www.rnc.org (same as www.gop.com)?
Googling: gop.mfbiz.com only gives hits that seem to link to that poll (except hits on that site itself)
Seems very fishy indeed. An elaborate hoax? Or just some crazy GOP fansite?
Gretchen the aspiring elitist @ 82:
pissed off patricia @ 62:
exactly, says a lot about palin's selfish and ignoble sense of motherhood, integrity and honor..... that she would put her daughter in this position, all for personal ambition.....
mccain is adulterous, leave-you-high-and-dry scum, and it looks like he found the perfect match....they are indeed kindred spirits...
Charles @ 84:
they are trying to say that the pics that show bristol being pregnant were not taken when everyone thinks they were taken
prob is...those pics are taken from blogs with specific dates
such as the one that shows bristol obviously pregnant (that i found before the other bloggers...a little pat on the back for me) with a caption about sarah being 7 months pregnant
sorry...none of this washes
but i guess we just have to wait for another 4 months to find out the truth
i still think that this "baby" wont go to term
theWalrus @ 81:
but clinton was the anti christ
these are sick people
this is why they must be removed from power...by hook or by crook
Either she's pregnant or just gave birth: http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=1997
I guess we'll see....
with the #82 i'm going to give the teenage pregnancy story a break. not sure people understand most of us don't want to talk about this drama/issue /story.
having said that this pick was to attract new voters and to be historical so it's said. personally i don't have a gender concern i believe having a woman president or vice president would great/fine/n problem.
i have read and heard other WOMEN not only my opinion to have shared parenting of 4 children one being a Down Syndrome newborn and run to be second in command of the united states is irresponsible. not only that she has a better than avaerage possibility of being first in charge.
again please it's not a gender issue for me this is a irresponsible judgement/decision by McCain(staff).
commenting on this is reasonable since it could have a large impact on voting...ie. evangelicals,some women
please compare palin to biden.
mudshark @ 88:
What we'll never know is if the daughter was the one who made the choice. Chances are pretty much 50/50 that her mother made the choice for her.
Whatever way, you're right. Most people don't understand that a person can be pro-choice and anti-abortion. I can't get why anyone would want to take the choice away from everyone just because they feel it is wrong. Leave everyone to choose for themselves and don't judge others for their choice.
Gretchen the aspiring elitist @ 95:
Right, it's nobody's business but the people involved. The GOP keep saying less govt and a less intrusive govt. Well, They should mind their own business. simple as that.
constituent @ 47:
OK i can't have an opinion about my palin's parenting of 4 children while campaigning for second in command how about her raising taxes....which obama spoke about abd got beat up over.
ask palin about the (R) chant drill here....drill now
Pete Rooke @ 10:
No, the analogy takes McCain to task for using his POW experience as a crutch. He cheapens and denigrates himself and all other former POWs by doing so.
The OED defines "maverick" as an unbranded calf. (Apparently after some dude circa 1840, Samuel Maverick, who never branded his cattle.)
There is nothing "unbranded" about these Republicans. They are as carefully branded as Coca Cola and Nike.
BUT, the verb "to maverick" (the OED goes on to say) means "to take possession of without any legal claim."
Recalling a certain presidential (s)election, I would say that THAT definition definitely applies.
The dictionumary is, as always, our friend.
Here is more on the insanity of our current leadership. The Bush administration blocked a US beef exporter from testing 100% of it's beef for mad cow disease.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/31/federal-court-blocks.html
This needs to be a YouTube video.
Excellent analogy Fiver. As a matter of curiosity was your friend's Maverick diagnosed with four cases of Firestone 500 radials?
If your Southern Baptist, evangelical and Republican anything you do or say is okay, justified, explained away and Blessed by God's Man, James Dobson. This man airs a video praying for "rains of Biblical Proportions on Obama as he gives his acceptance speech". Its okay to PRAY EVIL upon any democrat, regardless of their faith, because they are reprobate and beyond salvation or forgiveness. On the other hand, Bristol Palin is fogiven for being pregnant out of wedlock because she is republican.
In my opinion, the entire Republican party is hypocrites, liars, deceivers and dishonest men and women!
The real issue isn't the pregnancy of Palin's 17yo daughter...its the fact that her "out of wed lock pregnancy" is a result of, and a reflection on the parenting skills of her mom and dad. While dad is off in the Oil fields in Northern Alaska, Mom is too busy with executive decisions, which quality her as out next VP, to tend the children and KNOW WHAT they are doing.
God let Gustav (meaning God's Staff) disrupt the GOP convention because Dobson begged for rain to disrupt the Democrats. GOD is also exposing Palin for her inability to control her underage children. I am hearing Republicans question the judgment of McCain as he yielded to the DOBSON, Christian Right pressure for a pro life candidate...with FIRST HAND experience. "A man who cannot provide for his household is worse than an infidel" That isn't just food shelter and clothing. But its okay...they are Evangelicals and Republicans....two sets of standards in this nation. GOD HELP the honest-hearted, blinded republicans to see the TRUTH.
Sorry for the girl...shame on her mom and dad! It isn't the pregnancy its parental judgment, responsibility and over sight of under aged children...and they want PALIN one heart beat for the Oval Office with a 72yo President with a history of cancer.
GRASP THIS REPUBLICAN FANATICS: CNN's Wolf Blitzer just announced that "I have never dealt this anything like the Palin issues". He also confirmed that Senator Obama said, "ITS A FAMILY MATTER AND NEEDS TO BE LEFT THAT WAY". Sinner, demon-democrat, black man, Senator Obama REFUSED to comment and told his staff "HANDS OFF with Bristol Palin". Head of the Focus on the Family James Dobson asked christians' to PRAY for rains of Biblical Perportion to fall on Senator Obama in the middle of his acceptance address. GUESS WHO'S MANIFESTING CHRIST LIKE ATTIRIBUTES? GUESS WHO AND WHICH PARTY GOD IS EXPOSING?
My buddy had a '76 Maverick with a 302. That sumbitch outran a lot of cars. It looked a little better than the one in the picture but not much better.
Totally tasteless and offensive joke:
Bristol Palin to her boyfriend:
"Drill Here, Drill now!"
Peter G @ 103:
I'm not sure how many tires it had; I'll have my staff get back to you.
I just wonder what will the reaction be from the right?
Now replace Bristol Palin with Jamie Lynn Spears and you have a direct quote from Bill O'Reilly on "The O'Reilly Factor"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317577,00.html
But somehow I think there will be spinning in the "No-Spin Zone" tonight and we will be told about how we should respect the privacy of Mrs. Palin, and how this is a far-left smear campaign organized by the Daily "Kook".
Dibartolo:
"Head of the Focus on the Family James Dobson asked Christians’ to PRAY for rains of Biblical Proportion to fall on Senator Obama in the middle of his acceptance address. GUESS WHO’S MANIFESTING CHRIST LIKE ATTIRIBUTES? GUESS WHO AND WHICH PARTY GOD IS EXPOSING?"
Gustaf is sending the biggest of messages to Dobson, Hagee, et al but I bet they have their spin ready. No way are they giving away their chances of getting more millions from their flock by admitting that God is punishing THEM!
How about...God is blessing us with the end of the drought?
The Maverick was a great looking hoop! Alas, under the hood it was crap.
i think i will post these thoughts on every open thread until the start of winter
i urge everyone, please...if you ever go boating, always wear your lifejacket
a friend and a client of mine body was just found after a week of searching (we have a wonderful community here in los angeles....hundreds went to search everyday, and they got lots of help from authorities and homeland security) after he drowned while saving his 5 year old daughter who fell into lake piru
his daughter was wearing a life jacket....he was not
he leaves behind a wife and 5 young children
please...no matter how good of a swimmer you are....always wear your life vest
i know that ive been on here ranting about politics....but i am truly heartbroken
he was a wonderful man, who did much for his own expatriot russian community, as well as the community at large
it is a tragic loss
That mavrick is exactly what they want to turn America into. Just look at the damage bush/chenny have done and think about it before you vote for another of these idiot republicans!
All you republicans need to rejoin the human race and quit feeling so jealous and greedy and stupid!
Laura Bush just said at the convention that we all should help to rebuild the gulf coast... umm.. so they were waiting for what exactly? This convention? lol
lj @ 109:
You got it right the money is what these charlatans are all about!
fiver, that was the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Love the picture of the old rustbucket too. LOL!
bubba @ 112:
More of the same... hypocrisy unchained... Mccain be thy name!
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/04/8059_john_mccains_m...
the ford maverick was like a more expensive version of the pinto. of course everyone remembers the pinto, the car with the squirrely gas tank, that if you *tapped* it's rear bumper *just* the wrong way would explode into a million fiery shards all over the landscape...kinda like mccain's chances of ever being president.
Ruthless People @ 65:
Just because a majority of USers do not pay attention to anything on the globe but themselves, does not mean that others are the same. I must have hit a nerve I guess. Read the venom directed at this teenage girl. It's disgusting. Partisan politics or not. But I guess it's far easier to act like jackasses than stare reality in the face. This could be your child, or a relatives or a friends. Would it matter then who the parent's were? Well it shouldn't. That makes me a troll? No, that makes people spewing all this garbage as idiotic as those stupid 10 PUMA supporters. Get a clue people. If you really want to win this election by stooping to Republican tactics, then you all turn into Republicans and so will your Dem leadership. Ya, that'll really make a lot of change, won't it?
that's a funky lookin' old car... but I see you've got five-hundred-dollar tires on it!
i know that mccain said hurricane gustav provided a time for us to not be republican or democrat, but instead be american....so why was george bush heard on tape to say that the reason that preparations for gustav were better than those for katrina was due to the governors. to my knowledge, the only governorship that changed hands was in louisiana. from a democratic governor during katrina to a republican governor now. jindal must be working miracles, eh? did anyone else see this tidbit on MSNBC this evening?
god, i HATE george motherf*cking bush.
Ford Maverick aka Ford Capri in the UK/Europe, or a version of it.
CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 119:
You should see the sub-woofer
Not Maverick?
Maverick?
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No, ... Maverick!
I think volcanic John Boy is more like the Pinto, not the Maverick. If you hit him too hard with criticism he goes up in flames.
Hey! Where'd you get a picture of my first car? I swear, even to the primer color! And, it pulled to the right also - does this one have the 170 straight 6, with 3 speed manual tranny?
fiver @ 20:
Thank you, fiver.
I'm still laughing at it.
pissed off patricia @ 8:
That was hysterical! She is a twit and she is now wearing a sevice pin and her son isn't even deployed!!! No shame here.
I had a Ford Maverick in college. It had only three gears ("three on the tree") and a reverse gear. As my Maverick got older and older, it would sometimes pop out of third gear and I'd have to pull over to the side of the road and stop while the other cars kept whizzing past me. I was afraid at times that it might just pop into reverse while cruising down the highway and really cause me trouble.
When I hear about McCain' and his constant reversals of position as he campaigns, I think of my old car and how unreliable, and dangerous, she had became with age. Not that McCain is too old to be a reliable and prudent president. I'm just saying . . . . .
John McCain...Kept Maverick
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