September 01, 2008 11:00 AM
Mike's Blog Roundup
Nieman Watchdog: Since McCain has made his military experience a key reason to vote him, reporters should look in to the three near-catastrophes McCain had as a pilot.
Hullabaloo: Sarah Palin was not vetted by the McCain org, but by the Religious Right.
slacktivist: Some unintentional McCain candor
Media Nation: Who said, "I'm not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions?" If you answered, Jeremiah Wright, you'd be wrong.
Where's the Outrage? About those wingmutt mass emails...
OFF THE BEATEN PATH: No Blood for Hubris, News Dissector Blog, Veritas Nihilum Vincent,
Want Theocracy? Vote Palin (mccain probably wont last in office)
How about soon the C&L AIP story?
You know, this whole Palin thing pisses me off. When my sixteen year daughter had an unplanned pregnacy, my mother and her religiuos friends were appalled. These SOBs have shamed woman for decades. I know they considered me a failure as a parent. And now they are rallying around Palin? What a bunch of hypocrits! WTF?
P.D. @ 3:
GOP Rule #1 - Never let the facts get in the way.
Can we talk about this!
ABC News confirms that Sarah Palin was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party.
"Alaska First -- Alaska Always" ?????????
McCain what happend to "Country First"?
tx @ 5:
Yes, this is by far more important that the baby. It's about the US. There are people fighting (occupying under dangerous circumstances) for the US.
She doesn't believe in the US!!
It's fantastic!!
Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass.
Ya FUCK with me I'LL KICK YOUR ASS !
Oh, is that intimidating?? Do you trust me?? You don't ??
I'm the Vice President of America's son -in -law.
I'm quoting the future VP's son-in-law.
Here is the link : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/levi-johnston-bristol-pal_n_123...
Isn't fucking a seventeen year old considered rape?
It's well known now that McCain wanted to choose Lieberman for his veep but he allowed himself to be pressured by the fundies to choose Palin. What does that say about his determination to do what he believes to be the right thing. If he can be swayed to go against his better judgment by a bunch of right wing fruitcakes, WTF would he do if he were president and the fundies insisted that he blow the hell out of some country just because they thought he should?
Che's Lounge @ 8:
Not over there.
There is nothing else to do for the kids..
tx @ 5:
Uh...yeah. We' are talking about it in the Media Nation item
David Brooks, the objective political journalist(Ha-ha) who writes for the NYT's had
and article today about McLameBrain's pick of Sarah Palin. Sure was nice to see and
read the 10 plus pages of "Comments" disagreeing w/Brook's view/opinion. I read almost all of them and I think I found maybe 3 or 4 who agreed w/Brooks. Gee, isn't
it nice that the NYT's has such informed persons(like Brooks, George Wills, etc.)
trying to sell their BS to the American public?..and it isn't being bought.
I truly think republicans have gone off the deep end. Watching Cindy and Laura yesterday at the Convention, my oldest daughter said,"My God, it's all white people!" And as I looked, she was right. The stunning thing is, we live in a diverse area. We have many cultures living here. To see the tepid response from the crowd when Laura and Cindy asked people to donate money for the victims shocked her. She said if they talked about bombing Iran, these people would be having a standing ovation. I think the Convention showed her how cold the Republicans really are.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02mother.html?hp (Women speak out about Sarah Palin)
"“How is this really going to work?” said Karen Shopoff Rooff, an independent voter, personal trainer and mother of two in Austin, Tex. “I don’t care whether she’s the mother or the father; it’s a lot to handle,” she said, adding that Ms. Palin’s lack of national experience would only make her road more difficult.
“When I first heard about Palin, I was impressed,” said Pamela Moore, a mother of two from Birmingham, Ala. But upon reading that Ms. Palin’s special-needs child was three days old when she went back to work, Ms. Moore began questioning the governor’s judgment. Partly as a result, she plans to vote for Senator Barack Obama.
But Lori Viars, a mother of two and evangelical Christian from Lebanon, Ohio, cheered the candidacy as well as the decision of both Palin women to keep their babies. “The whole family is pro-life, and they put that into practice even when it’s not easy,” Ms. Viars said. . . .
. . . . "You can juggle a BlackBerry and a breast pump in a lot of jobs, but not in the vice presidency,” said Christina Henry de Tessan, a mother of two in Portland, Ore., who supports Mr. Obama. . .
. . . Sarah Robertson, a mother of four from Kennebunk, Me., who was one of the few evangelical Christians interviewed to criticize Ms. Palin, said: “A mother of a 4-month-old infant with Down syndrome taking up full-time campaigning? Not my value set.”
. . . And upon hearing Monday that Ms. Palin had known of the pregnancy of her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, before accepting the vice-presidential slot, some wondered why she had not bypassed the offer in order to spare her daughter the scrutiny."
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 7:
And the soap opera continues with the addition of a new character. Tough cussin' Levi. The father of the baby to be who states that he doesn't want kids.
Sorry C&L, What does Levi think about African Americans in the White House?
You don't have to be a good pilot to be a good military leader. You don't have to be good at hand-to-hand combat to be a combat arms leader.
You need to have leadership skills to be a good and effective leader. McCain is a follower. A real leader would have slammed Bush in 2000. Actually, he would have nuked Bush. Instead he bent over and took it. That's not the "leadership" we need.
Che's Lounge @ 8:
If you agreed to have sex with someone when you were 17 would you think you had been raped? The dad is a kid too so no, it's not illegal as far as I know.
Meanwhile, here in California...
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/labor-day-postings.html
Big West Coast Tour Coming Son!
P.D. @ 13:
What was in the gift bags?
Scale Model Bridges to nowhere?
Larry Craig Bobble Foot dolls?
Cas @ 10:
C'mon. There's a huntin', fishin', campin', lynchin'...
CafeenMan @ 18:
Levi is a legal adult. Bristol is a legal minor. If he was black he would be in jail right now.
Che - I think it's up to age 23 but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, if he were black he'd be getting his ass handed to him but that's racism. I'm pretty sure 18 year olds can bang 17 year olds. He's going to be a dad. I think he'll figure out the consequences of his actions without the law being involved.
CafeenMan @ 18:
You miss the point. It doesn't MATTER what the minor believes or consents to. An adult haveing sexz with a minor is rape, or at the very least , sexual assault. The law presumes that the minor is not capable of making the decision on their own as to whether it is consensual.
From Wikipedia:
Often, teenage couples engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship. This may start to occur before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not. In such cases, the older of the two participants is technically guilty of statutory rape. Most jurisdictions, as previously stated, consider the act itself to be prima facie evidence of guilt, as any consent between partners, even if freely given, does not meet the standard of law as it is given by a minor. The accused in these cases normally has no defense.
P.O.P. @ 15:
Reminds me of Shelly's former hockey-player boyfriend from the TV series Northern Exposure
I can't wait till the "family photo shoot" on the GOP stage. You're gonna have a bunch of women holding babies, but not enough men! LOL!
You can't MAKE this shit up.
Che@22, You got that right! I saw his My Space page. Seems like such a sensitive and mature fellow. The fact he says he doesn't want kids is disturbing. Bristol picked a real winner.
On top of all, Levi has to learn how to eat with knife and fork..
Liberal AND Proud @ 26:
In support of family values...the women should be barefoot and dressed in housecoats.
I got the point, Che. Really I did. I'm not sure of the law but regardless of wiki, I think it's probably legal. And if it's not it's still nonsense and everyone knows it. They're less than 12 months apart and 18 doesn't magically make a person suddenly fully mature. So yeah, that's not your point, but it's my point (not to mention that I don't think it's even illegal in case I didn't mention that and also that I don't care if it is illegal).
Cas @ 28:
You assume he has all his teeth.
Che's Lounge @ 22:
Not so -- the "age of consent" in AK is 16.
Say what you want about Democrats and liberals...we may have flaws, we may disagree with one another...but that is because we are real, we are human, we are a diverse group...but at the end of the day, we have our values, our beliefs and we respect and compromise with one another.
Look at the GOP...they're freakin' blowing apart! LOL! And I'm enjoying every minute of it. They let the nutcases in their party set a 19th Century agenda, and now look what's happened. They've totally lost control. The lunatics are running the asylum.
Can you believe the audacity of the McCain camp for calling out MSM for doing their jobs? The fact her daughter is pregnant is fair game because of her mother's policies! Palin is a pro-life woman who doesn't belive in any sex education. the hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Dr Acula @ 32:
I was stationed in Germany and was told the same age for that country. But I think it was a limit to the age of the partner. In other words, geezers like me couldn't go around dating 16 year old kids.
Liberal AND Proud @ 26:
Actually, there would perhaps be more men on the stage, but many of them have
chosen to be in an adjoining Rest Room, sharing stalls and toilet paper.
P.D. @ 34:
Grandpa has no shame. As I've said before, he'd sell out his mother to win the Presidency.
Palin to dropped from the ticket in.....3.....2.....1
...oh, it's coming. Lieberman is their guy and I'm guessing it's a done deal by Thursday.
Jay11 @ 38:
No. Keep her on the ticket!! PLEEEEEASE!!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 37:
That's just one of many reasons not to vote for McBush. His VP's daughter is irrelevant.
Jay@38, can you imagine whiny Lieberman VP? Man, that is a scary thought. We'll be invading Iran in a metter of weeks. Ole Joe has Iran in his cross-hairs.
Jay11 @ 38:
And then we're all going to look really stupid for using kids to beat up parents.
Legitimate questions
She was against teaching sex-ed
Believes in abstinence
Doesn't believe in birth control (even for married couples)
Now her daughter is pregnant (Pro-Life - her so called "choice" to keep it.)
Does she see it differently now? Does she still believe in not educating her daughter? Or how about safe sex?
While the Right runs away from teaching kids as saying it's promoting sex. In my opinion her Daughter was lucky that she is just pregnant.
Think about it, her daughter could have gotten a disease or AIDS. That is just scary. I don't think she's a bad mother and religion is part of her reasons but AIDS people.
I'll sat it again AIDS!
Mainly contraception in religion has to do with pregnancy (prevention or abortion), they don't believe in condoms or the pill.
but Religions from the past never predicated the AIDS epidemic. Did she even think about that?
CafeenMan @ 35:
In Sweden and Denmark it's 15. No age limit. But if someone over 20 or so dated a 15-year-old.. well, to begin with his/her parents would probably want to have a word.. and second, they'd probably get beaten up.
The media is playing this down like the spinless, anus sucking parasites that they are.
"It's not a huge political issue."
"It might raise some questions."
I doubt it, since the press asks the questions.
These right wing christofascists, whom the Palins represent in full glory, have been shoving their holier than thou morality down our throats for 20 years. These hypocrites are the ones who have turned teen pregnancy, birth conrol and abstinence only from private issues into POLITICAL agendas. Now that one of these issues has slapped them back in the face, it's no longer political. We should MAKE it political. I am not in the least bit concerned about the feelings of one rich bitch. She got herself knocked up (raped), but rich mommy and racist pig daddy will pay for everything (except the abortion of course), while the hypocrites in chief who chose this tool (Dobson, Perkins, et al) will stay under the MSM radar, buried under piles of money where the MSM can't (won't) find them. All to protect the aristocracy from some Ni...(oops, there I go again) african american who is genuinely trying to lead us out of this unmitigated disaster created by the very people I mention above. Rich, white, priveleged, ultra fascist christian hypocrites.
Right now, cops and military police (that's called the ARMY) are committing illegal acts against the citizenry of this country. The gloves should come off. Those fuckers hate the internet anyway, so what is there to lose?
"Since McCain has made his military experience a key reason to vote him"
Just to clarify, McCain doesn't use his military experience as a reason to vote for him as much as he uses it as a shield against being questioned on any issue.
Filthy Harry @ 46:
OK, same difference. He uses his military experience as reason not to vote against him.
I think Bristol Palin is fair game. I hope she gets cannibalized by this. The bullshit politics makes me so fucking sick. I want Bristol's life to become hell because of this. Dick Cheney was elected because he stood for family values....anti-gay marriage....etc. ,then he looked at Wolf Blitzer like he'd kill him when Wolf asked about his daughter's lesbian relationship. Why ? The Evangelical Christians stand by Cheney's right to kill innocent people. Cheney, McCain and Bush can kill thousands of people and we can't criticize that. They can be for abstainence and be thrilled about Palin's daughter's unplanned teen pregnancy. Thousands of innocent people are now dead because the Christian right are pro-war. Regarding accidental teen pregnancy and homosexuality -they are against those things unless it hurts their political party.....then they are in favor of those things. Why can't we criticize Cheney's daughter's lifestyle??? Why can't we criticize Palin's daughter's pregnancy. Thousands of innocent people are dead because of these Christian wars for Middle East oil. You gotta see Bristol Palin's boyfriend's MYSPACE page. He's a scumbag. He's a total bullying type suppressive asshole. I hope people with art and computer skills will create realistic pictures as well as cartoons of Bristol Palin having sex with undesirable looking men, multiple men, having sex with dogs and farm animals. I'm tired of the republicans trampling on the anti-war people. It's time to fight back. Bristol Palin is FAIR GAME !!
Liberal AND Proud @ 20:
No condoms, though....
PD
Yes, the hypocrisy of the right is beyond belief. Have we seen FoxNews refer to Palin's daughter as a baby mama as they did in the running banner about Michelle Obama two months ago? The C&L post just below this one referring to the fuss about "baby mamas" made me realize that the Republicans really do believe that what's good for the goose isn't appropriate for the gander.
Filthy Harry @ 46:
Totally concur. He NEVER has, that I can recall, answered a direct question, but
instead says something like.."My friends, I was a POW for 5 years..."
CafeenMan @ 30:
I don't care either. But Palin and hert ilk DO!
To quote a phrase (and not meant personally) "It's the hypocrisy, stupid."
P.D. @ 27:
Ok, be fair. Did you want kids when you were 17? I couldn't even say I truly wanted kids until I was almost 30. I'm just saying.
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 48:
Shut up, troll. Bristol Palin is a minor who didn't make the choice to have her mother run for vice-president.
*I’ll say it again AIDS!
sorry to bring up baby, but I'm not picking on her daughter
I'm trying to understand her positions as a mom and politically considering McCain wants to turn over Rov Vs Wade.
or if they ever decided to take on contraception.
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 48:
Don't forget to steal his identity, burn down his house, shoot his dog and steal his chickens. Might want to tap into the school's computer and mess up his grades too.
Palin's children are not an issue, but the illegitimate pregnancy of her daughter IS, because of her positions on birth control, abortion and....family values.
It also speaks to her qualifications as a parent which is a direct insight into her qualifications as a nominee, her values, her beliefs, her "perspective", whether or not she is hypocritical...it speaks to naked ambition...as she obviously does not care about the impact of this nomination on her family only about her career goals, it speaks to her judgement, it speaks to who she is as a PERSON.
displaced @ 25:
That's the show. I kept thinking what did all this remind me of, it was that series. Thank you for helping me out. The only difference is that there were one or two sane characters in the fictional show.
Che's Lounge @ 52:
Like I said yesterday, the hypocrisy angle almost never works against republicans. Everything they do is hypocritical and look how well they've done it. It's not like this one unique instance of hypocrisy in their ocean of hypocritical actions is going to change anything. In the mean time people attacking a family always come off looking bad regardless of what side they're on.
But carry on and we'll see how it works out.
inexperience is costly! I'd feel more comfortable if she was trained in handling 'bears', rather than having the ability to look across the ice at them. Of course, we're talking about more than bears here, aren't we?
Alexdem @ 54:
I am informed by another poster that the age of consent in Alaska is 16. If so, not quarter for Brisol Palin.
None. If they want it both ways, then they can take it up the ass just like they give it.
BaScOmBe hearts Rachel Maddow hates MSM @ 60:
Bears with grenades?
Fanon @ 53:
Am I correct? Levi is not 17, but in his early 20's. Yes, Bristol is 17, but HE is
an adult...at least in age.
Che's Lounge @ 61:
Age of sexual consent isn't the same as age of legal adulthood.
CafeenMan,
I strongly differ @42. Who's blaming Palins daughter for Palin herself telling a huge lie in pretending that Trig is her child? For someone that had higher aspirations, what shocking arrogance, abuse of power, bad judgment, hypocrisy and lack of character. This was one elaborate ruse they perpetrated here and don't tell me it's Sarah Palins baby. If it was she:
wouldn't have been in Texas when he water supposedly broke.
hundreds of pictures of both ladies wouldn't be mysteriously disappearing from websites
pictures that have been captured and posted wouldn't clearly show Britol Palin pregnant and Sarah clearly not.
This is an enormous, breathtaking story about power, arrogance and stupidity. They picked her, they can stew in it.
And if you want to focus on the candidate...ok...is she patriotic enough? Her membership in the Alaskan independence group creates many questions.
She is a member of the NRA. What is her position on assault weapons?
She is a so-called conservative...what is her view on the role of government? She obviously has no problem taking government money for pork projects in Alaska...is that the kind of conservative the GOP wants? What is her position on government incursion into private lives?
CafeenMan @ 59:
Maybe we're not trying hard enough. But then again, when they proudly proclaim "we've got the media" (Ann Coulter), the battle becomes that much more difficult.
Hey now, east on Bristol!
It say's on the sperm donors myspace page that if "someone f*@#ing messes with him, he'll kick your ass!" He's also "about f*@#ing chillin".
Somebody's gotta ask Sarah Palin if she still thinks abstinence only sex education is effective. They've just gotta.
There's just no possible response that is going to satisfy the wingnut base without making Palin's judgment look completely detached from reality.
Doggiebobo @ 63:
He's 18, when is his birthday? She's 17. When is her birthday? She's 4-5 months pregnant. This is math that EVERY woman in America knows...Republican or Democrat.
pissed off patricia @ 9:
This capsulizes one of my biggest fears about McSame!! I remember wondering if Reagan was making his own decisions, and the same with W.
McSame combines this flip plopping penchant with his short temper/quick fix attitude. That is why he is so scary.
CafeenMan @ 64:
What difference does that make? They are still blatant hypocrites. They write the laws that protect themselves and jail minority kids of the same age to keep things under their control.
Doggiebobo @ 63:
I thought he just turned 18.
Alexdem @ 54:
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Alex Dem ; sir, or mam, I am not a troll. Do you know what a troll is ??
I am angry at the hypocrisy. Thousands of people are dead because of these hypocrites. You are worried about one 17 year old girl being ridiculed. I'm outraged by these Christian wars that are killing 1000s of people. Bristol Palin is a slut. Bristol Palin will suck any dude's cock. Bristol Palin has sex with animals. Bristol Palin masturbates 20 times a day.
Filthy Harry @ 46:
Yes, and as a side note watch for his henchman call him a decorated FIGHTER pilot when in fact he was a GROUND ATTACK pilot. There's a big difference.
Ok, they just read a quote on msnbc about how Bristol is an example for all of those facing a "crisis pregnancy". Give me a break! I guess I would never think of a 17 year old with an intact family unit that has some financial means and supports their daughter's decision as a "crisis pregnancy'.
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 74:
he.. heee.. go on! go on!!
Donald Rumsfeld hater,
I'm pretty sure nobody posting here would get behind you're blathering, hateful comments. Strikes me as something being planted so that the rightwing....errrr, mainstream media has something to point to in order to make their point about those awful, hateful, lefty blogs. You're a sham.
The hypocrisy is, Levi could be in jail with the simple pointing of a finger by Brisol Palin. This is one lucky white boy. We should send him some wife beater shirts for his wedding present. I hope he ends up like Connie Corleone's first husband.
Here are your plane tickets Carlo. Wait in the car.
Che's Lounge @ 72:
Che - I REALLY GET IT! Please stop explaining it to me. You want to take her on over hypocrisy then go for it. But the bullshit about statutory rape is attacking the boy not the VP candidate.
We already know her policies don't work. She's a republican for christ sake. So by default her policies are designed to enrichen them with no concern for the welfare of anyone else.
How attacking two kids gets us anything I have no idea. THE HYPOCRISY ANGLE DOES NOT WORK AGAINST REPUBLICANS! Do you want to know why? Everybody, and I mean everybody, is a hypocrite and they know it so you can't really blame anyone else.
"Yeah... I know, but I wouldn't do THAT!" Right? Sure, as long as the goal post is always something you didn't personally do then you've got ammo. Except a gazillion other people did do it so your support sucks.
So instead of wasting all your energy on playing the hypocrisy card (which doesn't work, remember?) try focusing on the stuff that actually affects us and how republicans ALWAYS make things worse.
Or keep on beating the drums to stuff nobody really cares about while republicans take a different tact and leave you behind.
Liberal AND Proud @ 20:
Not just white people...but it looked like it was all OLD white people. Made me wonder if their party is just going to shrivel up & disappear someday
Jay11 @ 78:
I thought he was joking.
lj @ 75:
He was never EVER 'in combat.' He never looked into the eyes of the people he was trying to kinn and maim until he flew his plane into a low, slow SAM, and crashed into a lake near Hanoi. Then, the people whom he was killing and maiming and butchering with his bombs saved his worthless fucking life.
He was awarded 23 medals, one for every mission he flew...this is not to say he 'won' those medals, he merely received them.
John McC(shitst)ain is a certifiable baby killer--we all helped, but he pulled the bomb-release, and blew the shit out of people...
Speaking of messianic leaders, where's Jim Jones when you need him? I heard he makes great Kool-Aid.
Republicans like Kool-Aid.
Palin's "youthful indiscretion" with the Alaska Independence Party in her 30's carries on to today. Here is a video of her sending a goodwill message to the AIP in 2008.
http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/hetu/?p=70422404&utm_source=Fils&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=Blogue_RICHARD_HETU
I guess Palin's idea of foreign policy is quitting the US and joining OPEC.
Jay11 @ 78:
If you dont know DRH is NOT a troll, then you haven't been on this blog long enough.
CafeenMan @ 82:
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Here's where I'm coming from : If I explain myself - maybe you won't hate me so much. Now that I've got your attention ....I'm worried....and I think most C & L folks don't see this because they never react when I write it... I'm worried that McCain will be the next president....and he will attack Iran (if Bush doesn't do it before the election). C&L folks seem very optomistic that Obama will win. I wanted Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich...but anyway ...this is not a slam dunk for Obama. 2004 should have been a slam dunk for Kerry. I think McCain might be the next president. One reason is because the repugs keep attacking Obama and lying about Obama AND IT'S WORKING !! WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!! Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi says 'IMPEACHMENT IS OFF THE TABLE." and we've now been commanded by Polite Obama to not comment about Palin's daughter. Know what -- we keep on being so polite like Obama and Nancy Pelosi --- McCain will be the next president and he'll be a dictator because of Bush laying the groundwork. That's why I think it is not a bad thing to feel critical of Palin's daughter.
CafeenMan @ 80:
YOU say the hypocrisy card doesn't work. Well, you have your opinions and I have mine. IMO these ARE the issues that affect us. They jail poor kids and minority kids for acting on biological drives. THAT is the issue! Peoples' live are ruined because of this hypocrisy. THAT is the issue that affects us. If someone wants to call me out as a hypocrite on an issue, go for it. But I am not formulating national policy. If they want the power, then they take the flack.
Che's Lounge @ 88:
I say it doesn't work only because it doesn't work. It's not a matter of opinion.
It doesn't seem to matter what the Rethugs do... Obama is breaking away in all the latest polls...
The Palin-PUMA gambit was designed to distract voters from McCain and peel of Hillary's women voters. It has been a major distraction from McCain, but the women voters are moving to Obama big time so it has failed.
Sure the Talibaptist and Evilgelicals are all excited about having a pentecostal in the VP slot and the NRA dudes like her because she likes to kill things, but they would have come out for McSame anyway... they are the blindly loyal base.
The polls show that the moderates and independents though are breaking big time for Obama!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/01/opinion/polls/main4405106.shtml
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_electi...
Obama's numbers are well beyond the margin of error and rising fast. The Palin gambit doesn't seem to be having much effect.
CafeenMan @ 89:
Nice open mind you have.
"Obama’s numbers are well beyond the margin of error and rising fast. The Palin gambit doesn’t seem to be having much effect."
I'm sure it's hurting McCain more than anything else. She'll be replaced and whoever she is replaced by will probably seem like a real winner in comparison.
Think gas prices. They go up like crazy then go down a bit and we think we're getting deal.
Same thing here. Pick somebody totally unsuited and then pick somebody more suited and poll numbers shoot up more than they went down. Ok, not the same thing. Sorry. :)
Che's Lounge @ 91:
I'm not the one wanting to throw a kid in jail because a black kid went to jail. The black kid going to jail was wrong. So you want to show we're better by continuing down the exact same path?
Anyway, since you're clear that I'm wrong, please show me some examples where we've wiped republicans off the map because of their hypocrisy. Show me that and I'll stand corrected.
For example. Jeff Foley. He was on a congressional committee to protect kids, right? Then he hit on page boys. Now he's out of office. Why? Because he hit on page boys and he embarrassed himself, congress, his party and the U.S. It had nothing to do with the hypocrisy which, I agree with you, is a seriously bad offense. I'm calling it a loser not because I don't agree with you in regard to the gravity of it but because it just doesn't work.
CafeenMan,
I think that's a very good analogy and a frequently used fuc*ery tactic of Rove and the GOP. Set the bar really low (or high in the case of gas) with the bait, make the switch, and voila....a huge sigh of relief and everyone embraces the new guy (Lieberman/Romney or $3.79 a gallon).
Aipac will throw a midwest summit just before the Aipac Rosen.Weissman trial starts on Oct 28. Talk about diversion.
http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/5587.asp
Aipac still focused on repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iranhttp://www.aipac.org/index.asp
That five time delayed trial (due to successful efforts to block evidence in the case) will take place on Oct 8th. That is unless Attorney General Micheal Mukassey ( a solid Israel firster) dismisses this critical and five time delayed trial. Have folks heard anything about this critical investigation and upcoming trial in the MSM? Hell even the so called "progressive" blogosphere has been missing in action on this investigation. It is on issues about the Israeli Palestinian conflict and the Israeli lobby that the the progressive blogosphere (firedoglake will not touch this issue) falls into line with the MSM on this issue.
What other lobbying group who have "allegedly" been part and parcel to undermining US national security (in the Aipac espionage case Rosen and Weissman were allegedly handing over secret classified information about Iran to Israeli officials) be completely OFF LIMITS to the mainstream media and the progressive blogosphere? Firedoglake will not touch this issue. Glenn Greenwald has come close
USA v. Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman ("The AIPAC Case"): Selected Case Files
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html
While I really appreciate Crooks and Liars efforts to shine the spotlight on very important issues. I have been wondering when Crooks and Liars will honestly tackle the Aipac espionage investigation and trial? Not holding my breath
aipac website
http://www.aipac.org/index.asp
focused on pre-emptively striking Iran
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 87:
I truly believe that most of us posters here at the C&L understand what you are saying
and your concern. I don't intend to speak for them all, however, I am much, much more optomistic than apparently you are. That is, I still am of the opinion that come
Nov., Obama will "kick ass" and win easily; by(as I have said for over 3 months on other
C&L threads) as many as 9 percentage points and will likewise have at least 44 more
electorial college votes. There are, as you indicate, many of the neocon, religious
right-wing conservatives who will vote for McLameBrain, but that is a group who would
regardless vote for even a monkey if that was the Repug nominee . On the other hand,
if one will look at the results of the Primaries(both Parties), you will find that Obama
candidancy has brought out MORE Dems(especially young voters) than at any time in
the past...and to be redundant, I am of the opinion that the same will occur in Nov.
and consequently, it will be a "walk in the park" for Obama. Some may disagree, but
I think I am correct in my observations..
I have to apologize for my earlier posts. All that cursing and cheap shots at Palin's daughter Bristol (Message # 48, #74, #87.....I made a lot of people angry and I'm sorry. Just now I just watched some abc channel news video on the internet ( I linked to it from the Yahoo USA news headlines)and the nice Christian women pointed out that Bristol Palin's daughter's unplanned out-of-wedlock -teen pregnancy is a good thing because it's helping cause American parents to get into communication with their teenage children about sex and birth control. I've had a change of heart now so please forgive my earlier tirade. I realize now that McCain and Palin are what the USA need. McCain's future pre-emptive wars will help Americans communicate more about the pros and cons of diplomacy. I am a changed man. I'm sorry Bristol. I hope your mother's political party will spend millions of dollars more of U.S. tax payers' money on abstainence education. ....and I hope we get all that Middle East oil. You know if the republican party kills 1/3rd of the world's population -- that would really help American's communicate more about the pros and cons or fighting wars.
Don Rumsfeld hater @ 98:
Yeah, and we would not have to be faced with the problem of trying to feed and care for so many of those lesser privileged folks in Africa and other countries. SNARK
Cafee Man,
I’m sure it’s hurting McCain more than anything else. She’ll be replaced and whoever she is replaced by will probably seem like a real winner in comparison.
I thought that too, at first. Now (IMO) I think she will stay. I believe this based mostly upon the MSM handling of it thus far. They seem to be rallying to the defense of the Palin family.
Back to earlier:
I’m not the one wanting to throw a kid in jail because a black kid went to jail. The black kid going to jail was wrong. So you want to show we’re better by continuing down the exact same path?
Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.
Anyway, since you’re clear that I’m wrong, please show me some examples where we’ve wiped republicans off the map because of their hypocrisy. Show me that and I’ll stand corrected.
Tom Delay, New Gingrich.
Not clear whether you're wrong at all. Just sayin' I have emy opinions and you have yours. Hypocrisy is not a crime. My point is if someone's hypocrisy is driving national policies, that hypocrisy must be exposed as a necessity.
But - but - Johm "kowtow to the religious right and vote the Bush line over 90% of the time" McCain is a maverick!
Tom Delay's hypocrisy has been called out for years. He finally got busted doing something illegal. That's what got him. The fact that he's a moral shit-bag has been fine all along.
I don't know the circumstances with Gingrich but I would bet it's about the same thing.
I meant "pros and cons OF fighting wars" NOT 'or".
Now for my most constructive comment :
The republicans twisting of everything makes it possible that someday they could say something like that (my last sentence in message #98 above).
Even if the Iraq war turns out to obviously be a complete disaster for America in every possble way -- the repugs would say that we should be thankful to George Bush for showing us that lying a country into war is counter-productive. No matter what - The Republican Politician is always right or always doing what is good for America. One big solution to this problem is to send your friends and relatives websites and google vidoes and youtube videos about the Illuminati, The New World Order, Proof that Bush obviously knew about the WTC attacks in advance and the like. Only when most people wake up to what is happening can real positive change occur.
CafeenMan @ 102:
Ther are many politicians who have been busted. Delay's downfal (resignation) was over his ethical hypocrisy.
Just FYI, this site, like so many others such as Media Matters, is devoted to pointing out the hypocritical positions and statements made by the puritanical, uneducated, egocentric elite that call themselves compassionate conservatives. Based upon the exposure of such hypocrisy, people then act (petitions, faxes, phone calls, donations, protests). IMO MUCH political activism is predicated upon first exposing the hypocrisy of a given policy.
J.D. Hutchison "Ready on the right ready on the left, ready on the firing line"
http://www.manassehrecords.com/mp3/JDHutchison-Ready_on_the_Firing_Line.mp3
amy Goodman ready on the firing line
Amy Goodman released
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29751
Arrest and make protest confusing before crowds can really gather at the RNC
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29751
Rasputin @ 90:
After
Diebold'Premier Election Solutions' is done with the vote rigging and McReptile wins the election, Reptiles will say: polls cannot be trusted, but electronic voting machines can be.The
Republicrat/DemocratsGuinea Pigs,eaten'beaten' by the Reptiles again will say that it was that dastardly Ralph Nader's fault without ever mentioning theReptile turned'Libertarian' Bob Barr.American politics is a Reptile eat Reptile sport.
As someone astutely said: The best way to rob a bank, is to own a bank.
Democracy Now. coverage of the arrest in the twin cities.
What a way to confuse a larger crowd forming. Create chaos before hand.
http://www.democracynow.org/
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