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By SilentPatriot Tuesday Sep 02, 2008 12:00amJohn McCain laughs it up as NOLA drowns, August 2005.
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The Republican Party has lost its mind. Who is going to sign the commitment papers?
Ugh. Chucky McCheese strikes again.
I SWEAR he's just a refurbished animatronic monster from a defunk pizza restaurant chain with a bitter old man's skin stretched over it.
[brrrr]
Hold me.
Sorry folks, but these Honest McCain Campaign Posters just write themselves:
http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/09/honest-mccain-campaign-poster-22.html
Enjoy!
YAAARRRR YUUUURGHH! U S A!
October surprise???
The largest Naval armada since the first gulf war was on it's way to the Gulf weeks ago...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4c-mDKYakM
AVID, Holland’s military intelligence service, has pulled back from operations it was carrying out inside Iran as it believes an American led attack will go ahead within weeks according to De Telegraaf’s sources...
http://www.libertyvideos.com/2008/08/30/biggest-newspaper-in-holland-say...
Keith Olbermann reported on the false-flag event wishes of Cheney to start a war with Iran so keep an eye out for something to start the conflict...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRnDRmGvpg
It just doesn't feel right people.
I think the Georgia/Russia proxy-war was to paint Russia in a bad light prior to the Iran attack to keep them out of it.
Wow, the Convention tonight was as silent as a tomb. However, the Lieberman speech was especially dull.
Did anyone see how everyone was shuffling around and talking while he gave his speech?
Power to the People...
Wiring all of America for access to the Internet at true broadband
speeds, we would argue, is as important now as bringing
electricity to rural America was for President Franklin Roosevelt in
the 1930s.
"Well, at least no Arabian horses died! Heh heh!"
Fucking sick.
E. Coli affected over 200 people in Oklahoma and killed one of them. Canada loses another ice shelf.
Lieberman plays the experience card by ironically comparing him to Bill Clinton. McCain hates
helping pregnant teens not related to his Veep. China's stocks are screwed.
Thompson hits below the belt. Thanks, Supreme Court, for the wonderful freeway and football player shootings which wouldn't have happened without your pro-gun nut verdict. Americans can no longer retire. A chemical spill in Illinois led to eight people getting sick.
GM has to recall nearly a million flammable cars. Repugs pretend to have an energy plan.
Oh, and Palin can't seem to beat the Obamamentum.
Here we go again... Attacking people for their jokes. Grow up already.
Oh, and could 15 people label me a troll please. Thanks.
Aw, you should have also posted the famous birthday cake photo.
Bush's phony "I am needed in Washington" tonight was despicable. Gustav did minimal damage to the region and yet Bush was needed tonight when 3 years ago he was cutting birthday cake with McCain.
Alaskans have to pay over $900,000
to legally represent Palin.
Tequila @ 13:
Shouldn't that say $90,000? But thanks for the info.
Nikola, I'm feeling pretty jaded tonight. Could you try a little harder?
There's always some truth in humor Nikola. I won't stoop though. You called it already.
Making jokes about horses - defending Brownie - while New Orleans is drowning, and that creepy laugh.
Just. Sick.
John McCain "doesn't like black people."
Literally.
jane @ 15:
Sorry, I don't follow. Sometimes the fact English isn't my first language becomes embarassingly clear.
Nikola @ 11:
You have to do a lot better than that. Are you capable?
katie, I agree. McWarHero sure likes to laugh about death, doesn't he. Creepy.
Off to bed, but C&L, you need to post the Sarah Pawlenty Freudian gaffe from the co-chair of the RNC...most hilarious moment of the night.
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post.html
Nikola @ 18:
Oh? Are you a member of the Bush family?
Guess you didn't realize, they were laughing at the expense of Michael Browne who was a commissioner for a horse association, not at the people of New Orleans who lost their lives. Put the clip in context next time or you're using the same tactics as the other side.
Looks like the Christian God teaches compassion through war while the Muslim God teaches "terrorism" [/snarkity snark].
Who would Jesus bomb? Why did the Crusaders rape, maim, kill and slaughter thousands in the name of Christianity and God almighty?
Why is it, that when Bush went killing innocent people in the Middle East, he referred to it as a modern day Crusade?
What is the definition of hypocrisy?
What is the definition of ignorance?
Please note: The aforementioned questions are rhetorical in nature. That means I either know the answer already or I simply don't care.
David @ 22:
Exactly. I remember some of those jokes from that time period cropping up (The Daily Show perhaps?).
Anyway, it's humor. Grow. Up.
The party that's supposedly "pro-life" loves their guns! Go figure. Maybe it's 'cuz they're so afraid of dying for their sins. I thought someone already did that for them, but for some reason evil is always creeping on their doorstep. Go figure again.
Nikola @ 11:
Won't call you a troll, you haven't verbally licked any GOP balls on here as I can see. And normally I'd agree with you on busting over jokes. But McCain's jokes are not funny, and often cruel:
-Hee hee, horses aren't dying in NOLA, but people are!
-Bombing Iran is snappy and I can dance to it! Everybody now!
-Yeah, Hillary IS a bitch! Awesome!
-Hooah! Women like to get raped and beaten! Whoo-hoo, I'm tearing up...
American deaths. Pre-emptive war. Misogyny. I don't want my president laughing at these things like he just told a five-year-old a knock-knock joke. Sue me.
David @ 22:
Right. Sure you are right.
No you're not.
You really don't get how fucked up that response was, do you?
justabill @ 17:
I guess if I'm going to throw quotes around it I should have gotten it right. That should have been ...
John McCain "doesn't care about black people."
Literally.
save this and watch when you have time the mcSurge lie(s)
http://www.veracifier.com/episode/TPM_20080723
Nikola: Yeah, I was thinking that's what her legal bills would add up to eventually, I guess.
Anyway, as I was saying in yesterday's open thread before it got taken down, Palin won't win the Hillary crowd, because she's not her own person, like Hillary. And the idea that she was assertive and "charismatic" enough to campaign for President on her own, but chose to tie down her political ambitions to some old dude won't play well with that group, either. That just means she's willing to let the white males call the shots. Even when Hillary forgave Bill for cheating, she was still not the type to concede her autonomy to him like Palin would be to McCain.
xoites defends Constitution @ 27:
What? If he's not merely right, it can only be because he's SPOT ON.
Enlighten me, what did he get wrong there?
NY Times: Russia President Dismisses Georgia’s Leader as a ‘Political Corpse’
Nikola @ 31:
The Presidential Candidate does not make lame jokes about the deaths of hundreds of Americans especially when at the time it was happening he was partying with the President who should have been doing something about it but didn't.
Clear enough?
katie @ 26:
Even if I'm wrong and his sense of humour somehow matters and we can actually all extrapolate what kind of person he is from it, I still think we have a billion better reasons to attack McCain. He's unfit for presidency. Period. Not because of a weird sense of humor.
MountainMan23 @ 32:
wow after palin tucks in all her 5 kids for bed may she answer question about the current issues in russia
His joke and sadistic laughing at it is all the more offensive when you consider he was laughing it up with Bush having cake the day Katrina hit (on his birthday) and even more so when you consider McCain's record on Katrina
* McCain Voted Twice Against Establishing A Commission To Study The Response To Hurricane Katrina. [ 9/14/2005, 2/2/2006]
* McCain Opposed Granting Financial Relief To Those Affected By Hurricane Katrina. [9/15/2005]
* McCain Voted Against Five Months of Medicaid For Hurricane Katrina Victims. [11/3/2005]
* McCain Voted Against Emergency Funding Bill, Including $28 Billion for Hurricane Relief. [5/4/2006]
xoites defends Constitution @ 33:
You're obviously here for a nonsensical pissing contest, not a sensible discussion. If so, count me out. David was spot on with his comment, and McCain's joke was actually critical of the administration in a roundabout way.
Nikola @ 37:
Counting you out would be a pleasure.
justabill @ 36:
Let's attack his horrifying "maverick" record, not his jokes.
Xo, David, I think you both agree but didn't understand each other.
Nicola, we are not angry at his joke, we are angry that he had the time to laugh at a very serious thing.
Rice negotiates with terrorists.
You are wrong Nikola. I don't know who you are or where you come from, but a person's character and sense of dignity and respect are a litmus test for the presidency of the United States. Period. Making jokes about people dying, making jokes about bombing a country, making rude remarks about one's own wife, none of these cut the test for being a world leader.
Nikola @ 34
What do you mean "we have a billion better reasons to attack McCain?" This is a PERFECT example of one of those billion reasons. We should be using every last of those billion reasons to cost him votes.
If you're defending his sick sense of humor, the term "troll" may fit. If you're just saying it doesn't matter, it sure as hell does. You give these Republicans an inch and they'll take 10 miles running over your grandmother's face.
Turning the other cheek doesn't work in politics. You need to smack hard and smack often.
jane @ 40:
I laugh at serious things all the time. You could find psychologists to tell you I'm a monster, and others who would tell you it's a natural coping mechanism. Conclusion: you can't conclude anything about a person just from their jokes.
I'm angry that WE waste time on attacking his jokes when there are sensible ways to take down his absurd candidacy. I'm not down with republican tactics of character assassination.
Nikola @ 39:
I am looking at the whole man and there is nothing i like. I did not like him when i first heard him speak 10 years ago and my opinion of him has only gotten worse. He is an insensitive prick. Other people's deaths are a source of humor for him, not just with this joke but his rendition of Bomb Bomb Iran was as tasteless and as evil as it gets.
He is an asshole through and through and i won't pretend otherwise.
jane @ 40:
And oh, I highly doubt Xo and David agree there.
At least no Arabian horses died. hahaha...
Nikola @ 11:
this is my party and i'll 'attack' if i want to. i decide if i like the joke shield or not. i don't need your input.
McStain @ 42:
Actually this joke is about the head of FEMA, not about people dying.
Rachel Maddow on Sarah Palin:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/maddow-on-palin-i-think-the-question...
Nighty night.
Is it a joke if McCain is the only one that thinks it's funny?
constituent @ 48:
Wow. Thank you for telling me that you, as an individual, have an opinion. I would have forgotten it otherwise.
Nikola @ 49:
No. This joke utter by this man is unacceptable in the extreme. A 14 year old can tell it and get away with it. Not this asshole.
Nikola please don't claim lack of English skills. Cognitive skills, however...
katie @ 43:
I'm not "defending his sense of humor", I don't think there's need to defend humor. And even if I was, that still wouldn't make me a troll if it was my sincere opinion.
Putin Interview with CNN (subtitles) + CNN's truncated broadcast
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20677.htm
Nikola @ 55:
Your sincere opinion sucks.
Gonzales makes a speedy getaway.
All's I'm saying is there is something to be said for HOW and WHEN people use humor. And sometimes it just ain't fittin'.
xoites defends Constitution @ 53:
I made no claims of the acceptability of the joke in that comment, so you can't say "no". I merely observed that some people don't get what the joke is laughing at. The timing may be insensitive, not the actual subject of the joke, which is the head of FEMA.
did you hear the one about Bombing Iran? It will slay you.
jane @ 54:
English isn't my first language. And your attitude now just helped me recognize the tone of your post @15. Thanks, I guess.
Tequila- as long as they don't leave the country, noone can arrest them for war crimes.
Nikola @ 52:
that's it? your burning up your 15 minutes of fame....i've heard of your type. you like abusive attention......whatever dude.
Nikola, the figurehead of FEMA appointed by Bush (and he did a heck of a job).
constituent @ 64:
I may or may not like abusive attention, but it's a fact you're the one doling it out.
If that's what you really believe....
What caves do these people still keep emerging from? I've never heard such pyscho-babble in my life.
The man makes a joke about Browne, but at the same time shows total disrespect for all those who died. It's not that difficult for the rest of us to figure out. You really should reevaluate since you are the minority here. Sometimes that's telling....
So anyway...who likes pie?
You know. Considering who has been president for the last 8 years, maybe Sarah Palin might not be that bad as a VP....
Naw...
jane @ 65:
Exactly! So the joke is about the head of FEMA, the performance of FEMA itself, Bush administration officials and Bush!
Where did you get the idea that I'm defending any of them?
I want to start an office pool on how long it will take McCain to replace Palin.
As McCain and republicans say, Bristol Palin's pregnancy is “a private family matter.” OK. Fair enough. Start now. That applies to all pregnant women and their families. Privacy. No evangelical watchdogs or pro choice influences.
Nikola @ 66:
that's a good come back anyways...i'm guessing you approve of the palin pick governor of the largest state?
You know, you're right. There is no need to defend humor. But humor is funny. McCain's humor is not, and is pretty offensive to a large portion of the country.
You wouldn't be a troll anyway for just defending humor. You'd be a troll for taking a salient point on why McCain shouldn't be president and saying we should look the other way on it. "Concern" is a troll's best friend.
By the way, your point on the joke being about the FEMA guy is not logically sound. The first implied part of that "joke" was that Americans were failed and died, but at least the horses are ok.
You think his jokes are untouchable in his qualifications for president, go ahead. There's lots of American citizens who disagree with you and that doesn't make them wrong.
That's pretty much the definition of elitism right there.
yenehC hcaepmI @ 5:
Thank you, thank you!
I've been posting similar things for the last 24 hours and getting NO TRACTION.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1220186494776&pagename=JPost%...
This is the real deal folks. It is what we have been fearing (waiting for).
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1220186494776&pagename=JPost%...
The NEOCONS are not going to give up their power so easily as to risk it to a silly election.
(I didn't used to be this paranoid, but with everything that has happened so far, their plan is not only possible, it is now very probable.)
*AIVD
RMB @ 72:
Oh, no. It is private unless you want to do something about it.
McStain @ 67:
Argumentum ad populum much?
constituent @ 73:
I can't imagine approving of any VP pick he makes, be it Santa Clause or Jesus himself.
Nikola @ 70:
Let me say this real slow so you can understand it. It wasss nottt funnyyyy, it was callous because 1300+ people died. It was totally inappropriate to make a unfunny remark about no horses dieing.
xoites defends Constitution @ 71:
I'm not sure that he will. He's just stubborn enough to stick with her. Party and country be damned.
katie @ 74:
Of course. Neither does disagreeing with them make me wrong.
Nikola @ 78:
I had body lice once. Forgot all about that until i ran into you. You remind me them.
I had to rewatch the video here. Yes, Chris Matthews set him up for a joke, if we weren't talking about the DEATHS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE maybe that would have been funny.
You know, thanks Nikola, I have felt that the anniversary of Katrina has not gotten enough attention lately. Mainly by design on the RNC's part. Thanks for the occasion to remind everyone how UNFORGIVABLY neglectful, greedy, racist, classist, even fascist this administration has been in its response to a DISASTER that could have happened to ANYONE.
Ron @ 80:
All highly relative epithets, differing from person to person.
LibertyLover @ 81:
That is part of the pool as well because i happen to think you are right, but you never know.
Nikola - I've watched your posts in silence for months. It's always the same nonsensical crap. You say English is not your first language more times than you type a letter. It's the lamest excuse for your attention-getting antics. I'm sorry it's why you're here, because maybe, just maybe, you might have something worthwhile to add to the discussion. You just like stirring the pot because it makes you feel important. Well, sorry, you're not. You could care less about me and I could care less about you.
Add it to his greatest
hitsmisses ...Flashback: McCain joked about how much women love to be raped.
McCain Makes Awkward Wife-Beating Joke
John McCain’s crude Chelsea Clinton joke
McCain Sings Bomb Iran, laughs
McCain jokes about ‘killing’ Iranians by getting them addicted to smoking.
and more:
Nikola @ 85:
That's where you are fucked up.
LibertyLover @ 81:
that's how i seeit. i think there all in but you could on to something X. they sure are protecting her from the media. i believe her husband belonging to that fringe alaskan political group although maybe not a huge deal should be revealed.
McStain @ 87:
This thread is the FIRST time I've mentioned english isn't my first language, because I didn't understand one of jane's responses to my post. Feel free to quote me if I'm wrong.
I care about you as long as you contribute to the discussion, but you don't seem to even answer the questions I ask of your attitude. (check out #78). As for you not caring about me, I fully believe that.
Yow, Xoites. Don't want to run into you in a dark alley, unless you're on my side. Anyway, have you checked out Intrade? you can check out the current odds on Sarah dropping out. After all they've gotten the distraction they needed last Friday, what use do they have for her now?
McStain @ 87:
so my diagnosis was correct.......bring in the straight jacket sorry man i couldn't help myself
Nikola @ 91:
You are not contributing to a discussion. You are saying water is not wet and attacking people for disagreeing with you.
Ahem:
11 Nikola Says: Here we go again… Attacking people for their jokes. Grow up already.
82 Nikola Says: Of course (citizens disagreeing with you doesn't make them wrong). Neither does disagreeing with them make me wrong.
So, you're going to berate me for making a comment and then say making that comment is ok.
Your English skills aren't awful, but your logic needs major work. You may or may not be a troll. For sure you resemble McCain in more ways than one.
Nikola @ 11:
Martyr.
:)
katie @ 95:
I berated you?
Let me get this straight... When you're talking here it's "making comments", but when I'm talking I'm "berating"?
"Argumentum ad populum much?" (#78) hardly seems like a question.
xoites defends Constitution @ 94:
"Wet". Another relative term. Like "funny". And I'm attacking noone. Unless replying to people's posts and pointing out what I think of as inconsistencies, falsehoods or logical fallacies is attacking. I call it a discussion.
Help me out folks.
Here is the scenario...
McCain and Palin are nominated, McCain is incapicitated ( you make up your own cause; the neocons do him in, the Lord with the help of the Religious Right do him in, his ex-wife reveals some ugly past too horrible to allow him to continue, he has a stroke, etc.)
Does Palin become the presidential nominee?
Do they have another convention?
Does Bush cancel the election? Declare himself President for Life?
Nikola @ 99:
does that mean were done..........take it easy dude
Nikola @ 99:
A discussion requires logic. You are not using any logic.
If water being wet is a sometime thing to you you need to be talking to a professional.
jane @ 98:
If you read his post (that I quoted and put the important bit in bold) and know what argumentum ad populum is (wiki link posted), you'd see my point and his nonsensical argument.
That's me putting faith in your logic there, in case you think it's an "attack".
The first comment I made was NOT to you, and then you made a comment on my comment, saying "grow up already," which is not a neutral comment. I didn't start this, you did.
I see that you want to pick a fight, and get some attention, and you've succeeded admirably. Your other success is showing everyone what a complete douchebag you are. Your logic sucks, you contradict yourself repeatedly, and if you don't see McCain's humor as offensive, you're an asshole as well.
Get to bed, I'm sure your mom would be mad if she knew you were up.
Take your pick! Would you prefer a joke, an anecdote or better yet... "I was a prisoner of war."
enor @ 100:
I have no idea, but my guess is they'd have another convention, pick another pres. candidate, and let him pick his own VP, which may or may not be Palin.
Enor: Oh, you mean before he got sworn in. No new convention, but as far as Bush declaring himself president for life, well, he still has 139 days, ten hours, 46 minutes and counting...
"Uppity" Bonkers @ 96:
Well, it is his/her turn.
xoites defends Constitution @ 86:
Unless there is a dead baby buried in her backyard, I think that she is on the ticket for good. or bad...
Nikola @ 104:
Not questioning your logic, just questioning your questioning.
YenehC hcaepml @ 5 and enor @ 76, this is troubling news indeed. The timing is oh so suspicious, no? I wonder what deadeye dick is up to these days.
Something's afoot.
Ahhh, Open Threads:
Where some people come to mentally masturbate. Well, while that is, I suppose, as permissable as just about anything else on an Open Thread, no-one is staining MY blue dress. And thus! I scamper away.
969 days elapsed before McCain's first visit to New Orleans. His reaction: "Tear it down."
katie @ 105:
Katie, if you think I was attacking you, I realize why you must feel mad.
I'm going to let you scroll up to my comment that apparently made you mad. It's at #11. Did you see me quoting you in the comment? Referring to you? No.
Mine being #11, there were 10 comments before mine, yet you somehow assumed I was attacking YOU. Not to mention the comment was actually aimed at this whole C&L habit of attacking people's humor, not a particular person.
Please, be sure you should be mad at people before blowing a fuse.
calgarylady @ 112:
remember what charlie black said a conflict would help the mccain campaign
Nikola @ 104:
Rhetorical.
jane @ 111:
Oi, witty.
I might use that sometime ;)
enor @ 100:
According to the rules of the RNC. An independent panel would select the presidential nominee if there is a vacancy. I believe that they need 168 votes out of 250 ... or something like that...
Anyway, since we are supposing... what if McCain and the Repubs succeed in stealing the election and then Palin opts out, citing "family matters" --- then how is the next VP selected? Too far back for me to remember what happened when Agnew resigned.
calgarylady @ 112:
Not really. This Dutch newspaper is a bit like Fox, and full of it. (I'm Duth).
Mindless, uncaring, insensitive, JACKASS.
jane @ 117:
My question wasn't rhetorical. I should know, no?
Anyway, rhetorical or not, it pointed to a flaw in his argument, and he chose to ignore it and keep "questioning my motives". Or my logic. Whatever.
Dutch
enor @ 100:
If a presidential or vice-presidential candidate dies or is otherwise incapacitated after a party's nominating convention and the election (or rather the electoral college meeting), that party's central committee would get to pick a replacement candidate. The party could appoint Palin as its presidential candidate, or it could choose someone else entirely.
So Enor and Impeach: Sounds like we're jumping in on someone else's straight up old fashioned police work, like in UK?
justabill @ 124:
More here:
WaPo: Morbid Political Curiosity
Liberty, if McCain wins and she drops out, does it really matter who replaces her? We've already lost. All those Cheneys and Addingtons will be firmly in place by then.
Nikola @ 122:
Semantics
justabill @ 124:
The process falls under Republican Rule Number 9(a): “The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States, as nominated by the national convention, or the Republican National Committee may reconvene the national convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies.”
"the comment was actually aimed at this whole C&L habit of attacking people’s humor"
Dude, I'm #8 on here. I'm the only one before your #11 that addressed McCain's sense of humor. If you weren't responding to me, who were you responding to? Since mine is the ONLY comment before yours on this particular subject, it's not too far off to think you were reacting to my comment. If you were responding to the article in general, I am in agreement with the article in general and will defend it and disagree with you, which I THINK I have the privelege of doing so on this site since you don't own it or make the rules. Telling people to "grow up already" whether it was specifically to me or generally to a bunch of people for expressing our opinions makes you A DOUCHEBAG.
So, please, be sure you should criticize free speech before you do.
jane @ 127:
Good point. and then at least 4 more years of an icky feeling in the pit of my stomach.
enor @ 76:
constituent @ 116:
I think that this plan, to throw us into a whole new war ( and larger war ) goes way beyond McCain.
McCain is not part of their plan. I know he (NOW) sounds very much like them. But, they hate him. He really is not one of them.
This horrendous scheme, this continuation of their power grab, does not include him in their master plans.
( Don't worry, I am not a McCain fan or supporter. If he wins he will prob. include that mob as part of his administration. He wants so much to be a part of them. )
Icky feeling? That's the knife you just fell on.
katie @ 130:
Oh Jesus. I wasn't criticising free speech, I was criticising an opinion. If you're implying I'm trying to stop the discussion here, that's mighty douchebaggy of you, if I may say so. Not to mention completely false.
And I said "grow up already" merely cause I'm tired of these articles attacking McCain's jokes. It may have been out of line, but so are, IMO, these articles. Especially every week (or so it seems).
xoites defends Constitution @ 128:
The quality of your arguments is going up! You're at 40% probability of Making Sense.
LibertyLover @ 119:
That helps, I really didn't know.
I worry, because I think his health is a bit of a time bomb. Melanoma is very very deadly.
And, of course I really don't trust that the NEOCONS don't have another plan for McCain.
He was safer as a POW.
enor, I totally agree. The real ugliness has not even begun yet. Hope I'm wrong.
enor @ 132:
they may'hate' mccain but they don't hate the 40 or so lobbyist behind him. mccain is NOT making most decisions regarding this campaignit's over his head mccain hasn't really been aligned with NEOCONs in the past but i believe he has sold out. russia is NOT backing down i think putin is calling bush's bluff. israel wants action but of course they won't sign the non-proliferation treaty. the elites/k-street doesn't have obama. there is some fear about obama not being bought.
Nikola @ 134:
Not real clear you are very clear.
Inside your head, i mean.
calgarylady @ 137:
Me, too.
I always get back to the argument that; there are people out there who will kill you for your wallet, or your shoes. It is not (to me )
inconceivable that a group of people would not lead us into some war, some false flag event so they can profit billions and billions of dollars
and basically get away with it.
Oh no, you wouldn't try to stop the discussion. That would mean you can't talk anymore, and that would be horrible, wouldn't it.
I don't have any problem disagreeing with your opinion. I have a problem with you trying to deflect ammo from McCain by telling those of us that actually want to defeat him to "grow up." If you want to stay above the fray and not get into every last thing we can throw at McCain, fine, but stay the hell out of my way while I'm doing it. If you see another post about McCain's jokes, do us all a favor and go find a stick to play with instead of whining about how bored it makes you and how wrong it is to talk about it.
The Democrats need to win this election and if you're not helping, get out of the way for those who will.
katie @ 141:
So you're trying to stop me from discussing. Well done.
And you're one of those "end justifies the means" people. Yay, consequentialism! It brought us republicans and Karl Rove:/
Will the real Nikola please stand up? I don't think she (?) wants McCain to win any more than anyone else here does.
constituent @ 138:
You are so right about McCain being over his head.
Every time he talks he has that shell shocked look on his face. He is so scared to say the wrong thing because he no longer knows
who he is or what he stands for.
It is sad, pathetic and very very scary that this man could* actually be president.
(*I never believed Bush was going to win once, and never ever for a moment thought he would be re-elected / re-selected. So, I am worried the nightmare continues.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR200809...
Didn't interview her til August 25th and she didn't tell them about daughter's pregnancy.
jeez, daingel, can't you see we have much less important things to talk about?
Time to catch some zeds. Keep up the good fight, people!
(ps, katie, you have a fan here)
jane @ 143:
He:)
It's a male name in Croatia. But yeah, I share it with some females too, I guess.
Frankly, if there are people here who think I'd like McCain as your president, they're people with whose opinion I shall not be bothered. All one needs to do is read my posts to learn my stance and my objections. Sadly, sometimes people want you to stay in line or shut up.
Anyway, thanks jane, for a discussion based on facts and logic, not personal attacks.
wow....during the (R) it's about the mccain past....POW theme.
we need to pressure mccain for his poor v.p. pick.
poor judgement by mccain
i still think we can attack her lack of experience.
i also think we can examine her husband's affiliation with this fringe alaskan political group
i think it's important not to allow the obama rhetoric to defend
palin...they say she has executive which mccain doesn't
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