Joe Klein Blasts McCain's Press Bullying
Joe Klein is calling the McCain campaign's assault on the media "insidious", "bullying" and "not only stupidly aggressive, but unprofessional in the extreme."
The story of the day out here in Minneapolis is the McCain campaign's war against the press ... So what's going on here? Two things. McCain is just plain angry at us. By the evidence presented in the utterly revealing Time interview, he's ballistic. This is a politician who needs to see himself as the man on the white horse, boldly traversing a muddy field...any intimations that he's gotten muddied in the process, or has decided to throw mud, are intolerable. The second thing is more insidious: Steve Schmidt has decided, for tactical reasons, to slime the press. He wants the public to believe that there is an unfair--sexist (you gotta love it)--personal assault going on against Palin and her family. This is a smokescreen, intended to divert attention from the fact the very real and responsible vetting that is taking place in the media--about the substance of Palin's record as mayor and governor. ...There is a tendency in the media to kick ourselves, cringe and withdraw, when we are criticized. But I hope my colleagues stand strong in this case: it is important for the public to know that Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork-barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." The attempts by the McCain campaign to bully us into not reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive, but unprofessional in the extreme.
That's straight talk, the clear-quill real deal.
Klein comes in for a lot of grief from liberal blogs because he was originally a vocal supporter of the Iraq invasion. It's been a goodly while now since Joe said that was a mistake he regrets and that's good enough for me. Liberals really should be cutting Joe some slack - he's a well-connected, establishment journalist who has worked out that he was fooled once and is determined not to have it happen again.
"Insidious”, “bullying” and “not only stupidly aggressive, but unprofessional in the extreme.” sounds like Klein to me.
Anyone else?
McCain is being called out by some in the press for his choice for VP. And since he must have believed everyone would fall over themselves in love with Sarah Palin instead of criticizing her and reporting her resume, now he's having a temper tantrum.
What did you expect, John? She's running for the #2 office in the land. Did you honestly think no one would look into her past history? No one knows her and what she's about. It's the press' job to vet this candidate, since apparantly you used only one day to do so. These are the slings and arrows that come with running for office. Deal with it.
Good on him for not only seeing the truth, but writing it. Anytime one of The Villagers tells the truth about McSame, it should be saluted. (Okay, so it might make you want to take a shower in bleach afterwards...)
Will Chuck Todd do the same now that his off-air conversation with Noonan and the other chucklehead is making its way through the Intertubes?
McCain is taking his ball and going home. Boo Freaking Hoo.
Typical McLameBrain BS about the "liberal media". He is an angry individual who
as was said in some Hollywood Movie..."You can't stand the truth"(Jack Nicholason).
The MSM has failed us miserably. Have any of you seen any mention of McCain
hiring the sleaseball in S.Carolina who destroyed McCain in his effort to seek the
presidenacy back in 2000? NOT a peep just crickets chirping.
wonder if there will be as many flies
hovering around and landing on palin
while she speaks this evening as there
were on LIEberman last night?
Good for Joe Klein. I think it is going to get far worse for the press. McCain has taken them on as an enemy and Palin seems cut from the same mold. This was an advance part of her speech published over at Politico. Notice how she lets the press know they better watch their step with her.
"And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion — I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country."
I have to say, when a guy like Joe Klein is ready to make comments like those above, maybe there is some hope that the press is going to break a little more honestly this time around.
I sure hope so. They have done tremendous damage to the country, and it's time they realized that they and their children are going to go down with the rest of us if the ship sinks.
When John McCain was a POW for 5+ years, he didn't get to throw any tantrums or vet candidates. Can't we give the guy a break?
My daughter is going to school and living in the Cathedral Hill area of St. Paul. She was riding her bike on the street and was almost run over by some secret service guy and he just kept barreling past. She ended up stuck in the middle of traffic. What a dick.
Isn't it weird that they've nominated a woman and are now diligently setting about the task of getting her to play the victim?
I guess it isn't that weird.
Who was it that called us a nation of whiners? Which campaign? Geez I wish I could remember that.
It's things like this that call the press out as biased. He's now stating as fact that Palin tried to ban books at the library. The source on that was ONE GUY. That one guy was someone she defeated as mayor. That one guy wasn't even the person who she supposedly bullied into banning books. And Time didn't even bother to wait for a confirmation from that librarian to see if it ever happened. Many of the issues surrounding Palin (bridge to nowhere, earmarks, and troopergate most notably) are valid and definitely need to researched. But those are getting lost in the shuffle with the completely false or baseless hearsay like this book banning thing, the lie that she wants to teach creationism, the misreporting that she was a member of the AIP, and the shame of Kos and DU that she faked her presidency. The press should have done a better job of fact checking before they started throw a bunch of crap against the wall and seeing if it stuck.
Wow. I just got done reading this article on TIME.com. Karma.
Did you guys see Dennis Miller on O'Reilly just a while ago? He looked pathetic!
Such a fallen star. Sold out to the right and now he's forced to go on O'Reilly to get laughs from old people.
McCain's literal attack on journalists is also another expression of his martial worldview. The US has been attacking and killing journalists in Iraq and Afghanistan, and McCain wants it done here, too.
Though that shouldn't be what disqualifies her, there is no denying her links to AIP.
Kos did not say she faked her pregnancy. One diarist questioned it...that's a huge difference.
The McCain camp has been great at denying and decrying things that the press didn't do, all the while ignoring the huge problems with this unvetted candidate.
jeff akston @ 12:
I agree as to the miserable job the press/MSM has done; almost as poor as the job
McCain did in vetting Plain.
Doggiebobo @ 17:
Completely agree there. No denying that she shouldn't have been nominated. I'm certainly not defending her.
What I'm saying is that the press has been irresponsible this week. It is undeniable. It's partly due to the fact that McCain named a complete unknown so the press had no news to fill the 24 hour cycle with. So the mainstream media, not the netroots ran with stories or even hints (MSNBC mentioned the faked pregnancy "rumor") and other stuff which they shouldn't have
To tell the American people, who want their candidates vetted, that the "subject is over" is offensive, patronizing and yes, bullying. It doesn't matter what party we belong to, we deserve to know that a potential Veep has been properly scrutinized. Every employee at my company goes through a thorough screening because we deal with financial institutions. Um, a drop in the bucket compared to who the Veep will being dealing with don't ya think?
Crash & Burn
Like the line from one of the song in Grease....."Tell me more, Tell me more, Tell me more..... " I am in ectasy.
aquarius2 @ 7:
Sarah?
Oh, Sarah?
Shut the hell up. You're already way past annoying. You're stupid, too.
P.S. Napoleon Complex at its best.
More on McCain's desire to control the press extends to the actual convention. MSNBC is now saying the McCain campaign has moved up the speakers, without a break, so that the commentators cannot do any analysis on what each speaker has said. By doing this they control the message rather than have the general public be exposed to a possible rebuttal of the speakers.
dadams @ 6:
Probably not. They got their fill of good shit last night!
Joe, you've made me proud of you. And that was not an easy task. Welcome back to the fraternity of forward-thinking humans.
Doggiebobo @ 17:
I disagree, the press is doing a wonderful job of smearing a Republican and I hope they continue. Where were pundits when Obama was religously smeared in the press and emails? One guy huh, can't wait until the librarian steps up and either confirms or denies this...maybe it will go away. But back to Obama and the lovefest the media had running stories McCain and his ilk put out...wearing Islamic clothing (a gift mind you) and then my personal racial favorite; Does Michelle Obama Love American Enough. Stop whining about this, McCain and his overpaid zealots brought this down upon themselves. I do find it ironic that just like McCain, Palin to ends up as supermarket fodder.
Just like always, the press will back down. They have said nary a word about the book banning, quest from God, and raised taxes. Everyone is worried that if the Republicans win again the White House would lock them out like they are now. After the speech, which will be light on substance and high on rhetoric, they will say she shined.
I have lost faith in MSNBC. The great center/liberal hope has devolved into kids bickering at the lunch table in the absence of Tim Russert. Biran Williams looked downright embarrassed on The Daily Show when John Stewart called him and the network out.
I have lost little faith in CNN. It's like watching the best of the second string marching band.
I never had faith in Fox.
aquarius2 @ 24:
Actually, I think that is GREAT. I truly hate the political pundits who go on and on
and on analyzing what was just said and heard/viewed by those watching. We don't
need some pea brains to tell us what we saw/heard.. In fact, that is reason that I
tune in to CSPAN for the Conventions...no BSing by BSer's..
Doggiebobo @ 29:
I agree with your stance on CSPAN...I also think that the poster stating the McCain speakers were moved up without a break is also great...the revival will be over sooner.
Seriously. Don't people realize that you can't make every issue "fair and balanced?" Maybe she looks dumb and inexperienced because, gosh! She might just be.
Everyone knows reality has a well known liberal bias. As Colbert once famously said.
McSongbirds singing from a different sheet.
"...and the shame of Kos and DU that she faked her presidency." Pregnancy?
"The press should have done a better job of fact checking before they started throw a bunch of crap against the wall and seeing if it stuck."
And you should double-check your concern troll FAX's from the RNC.
Good piece of reporting on the McSame crowd. Can you say desperation is setting into the Repukes house of ill contempt!
Romney = Joseph Goebbels
ChrisB @ 30:
Gee, I had no idea that Dobson was also going to be speaking...or maybe I misunderstood and in reality it is going to be Sarah Palin's "preacher guy".
God what a tool you are to defend Kline like this. Klein has supported Republican's, Lied about what the FISA Bill was about, lied about being the Primary Colors Author, Libeled and Slandered the man that figured out he was the Primary Colors author, but we should cut him some slack.
Joe Klein sees the writing on the wall. That's why he changed his tune. Not out of some ethical revelation.
Fuck you for ignoring every incredibly unethical thing Joe Klein has ever done while belitting those of us that do.
Fuck you and your incompetence. How did you get a front page gig at C&L???
This should give us a clue as to what he'll be like as president. It will be like Bush, no accountability. If he's like this now, can you imagine what he'll be like as president. We have the right to know the truth about Ms. Palin.
Spicegal @ 38:
But, but, but, but.....the "truth" is what comes out of the Repug's mouths, don't
you know? Snark
Someguy @ 1:
Maybe it's a case of "takes one to know one"!? I didn't know they could recognize this behavior in their own kind.
Seriously, I'm glad Klein is calling the McCain camp on their hissy fit. I'm hoping (not while holding my breath) that we are starting to see the awakening of the media. That would be something.
wow huckabee just now thanked "the elite media" for mccain and palin.
JoeMarasmus @ 14:
Star? surely you don't mean a star from way up high? you must be talking about the star on my converse, and yes i agree with you , he fell from way down there, to an even lower place.
My apologies to converse.
Oh no the rib sauce nazi. Bad media. No rib sauce for you.
Whatever Klein's current and previous positions are, this is actually very good news. If McCain alienates the media, he'll be alienating the group that has always covered for him and given him a free pass on so many things, that has allowed him to play the POW card repeatedly, and that has tried to maintain the illusion that the McCain/Obama race is essentially tied. If McCain shits on the press, some of them will take it and thank him for it, but enough should see him for the empty bully that he is and stop helping him out, which will make a difference on November 4.
jeff akston @ 12:
Did you perhaps mean to say ". . . she faked her pregnancy"?
FastMovingCloud @ 40:
"No Way Jose"....the MSM is as unreliable(and biased/slanted) as always, so tho a
very nice dream...it'll never happen.
JoeMarasmus @ 14:
It's been tough for Dennis since he exhausted his thesaurus. He's been recycling ever since. It got old a long time ago.
JC @ 37:
You might have had a point before you started dropping f-bombs. But right now you just really are annoying.
I don't like Joe Klein any more than you do, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while. We can lambaste him for every stupid and skeevy thing he's done, but for once we can also say he got something right.
jeff akston @ 12:
I read a quote from her over the weekend, I think from an article in an Alaska paper ( I have since lost it) in which she stated "thought creationism should be taught" not that she wanted to. Subtle distinction perhaps, but germaine. If she thinks it's a good idea than one could easily see her supporting it and by doing so, showing that she wanted it done.
Sam are I @ 45:
HA! Freudian!
jeff akston @ 12:
you better turn off the limbaugh in the afternoons....you be seeing the world from a mighty strange and molested perspective....
Not one mention of the raids on press meetings with guns drawn. They are trying to scare journalists. God help this nation. This is not the America I grew up loving. We can no longer take this crap. Something must change soon. I just hope it's for the better. Palin sucks. Maybe that's why she got picked.
Joe Klein better watch it. If he keeps this up he may redeem himself. One of us, one of us, one of us....
if mccain can't handle the american press, how can he handle the pressures of the presidency? in all my life, i've never seen a more immature and unqualified boob run for president....
P.D. @ 13:
Since Time Magazine is owned by Time Warner, who also owns CNN, it is possible
that CNN will likewise take a jab/punch at McCain? ...Naaaah, no way; just part
and partsial of the MSM 24 hr. cable crapola..
pinotdrnkr @ 49:
Yes, that's the headline you remember because of this article: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html. However, that article used this article as its source: http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html. And that article said no such thing. Wired Magazine either lied or as KO says should "find new work".
Here's what she said:
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.
ohio progressive @ 54:
Hold on a minute...have you already forgotten George W. bush-league?
Who would have thunk at the age of 72yoa, you can revert back to being a 2 year old wearing diapers all over again.
Doggiebobo @ 55:
"part and parcel"...
Doggiebobo @ 56:
Naw...he just went out and got a fake marine/prostitute and put him the WH Press Corp, that way Jeffy could service him in many ways. What was Jeff doing in the WH for 192 hours of unsupervised visits?
Well, Cernig, let's not forget what a tool he was on FISA, and his long history of being snide to liberals while misrepresenting them. But yes, he deserves credit for getting things right when he gets them right.
It's not just the "press," it's those d@mned little lefty bloggers who keep treading on our privacy. What's up with that? Let them pass their own Unconstitutional privacy invasion legislation if they want to.
What? This is all public record? Sh@t, I guess I can't say "if you you don't have anything you'd like to keep to yourself at the moment, then you shouldn't be concerned," anymore...
i expect the press to back off now. klein too.
Doggiebobo @ 55:
yeah, but by trying to build on and from the bush years, i think mccain is worse....he's more stupid, he tries harder and fails worse, and he's more corrupt.....
at least gw was a laid back fool who never took any of it too seriously, and left that for others who cared....
mccain tries so damn hard, i almost feel sorry for the pitiable old man, corrupt traitor that he is...
he betrayed his first wife
he betrayed his office (keating 5)
does he think anybody buys into this hero-worship crap?
Daingel @ 59:
Well, for one thing, visiting Dickhead Cheney on many occasions, but another one of
those instances when "executive privilege" has been used and we have no idea as
to the number of visits nor how many times Jeffy was on the floor,under the desk,
of Dickhead.
Yeah, I guess I'm finally at a point where I can cut Joe some slack. Hopefully he can keep it up.
Looks like the media is tired of being McCain's base.
ohio progressive @ 63:
That's the most discouraging thing....Soooooo many DO buy into that crapola...at
least the neocon, religious, right-wing radical conservatives..and there are a great
number of them out there.
McCain's "base" is the MSM. They loved him even more than Bush. Now he's thrown them under the bus, I wonder how they'll react.
Many press people are overly sensitive, ego driven a**holes, so they may not like being snubbed and attacked by someone they love (or loved).
looks like klein suddenly remembered how good it feels to have testosterone coursing through his balls. he's probably just as amazed as anyone that they were still there.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 67:
See No. 62 above. tr is most likely correct..
Watching republicans play concern troll and defend palin from phantoms is really fucking irritating.
Ive been defending Hillary clinton from every sort of right wing troll since 19-fucking-92. The stuff they said is so vile and so evil that it hasnt been topped by anyone since. Lesbian, murderer, thief, bad parent, ugly daughter, on and fucking on.
If anyone falls for this bullshit tactic from the party of absolute scum they deserve what they get.
Doggiebobo @ 66:
i don't think so...it's pathological, mechanical, post rational as maddow says....
they hate blacks...
they hate the angry left
they hate pelosi
they hate socialists....
they're afraid of bin laden
they're ashamed a republican president couldn't prevent 911, couldn't kill ubl
they've never even considered the corrupt and shameful bio of the guy they claim to support, in expressing their fear/hatred of whatever is driving their insanity...
Go Joe Klein! BTW - Why do the Republicans keep chanting USA? Is that some kind of crack??
Sarah Palin was chosen by Crash McCain to be his VP on August 29, 2008.
Five days later, on September 3, 2008, she has not yet been made available to the media for a press conference and there is no press conference scheduled.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9522_palin_media_al...
If she can’t answer questions for herself, then she is not qualified to be VP.
The media needs to call the McCain campaign out for the fact that Sarah Palin is not available to answer questions for herself. If the truth is not being reported on Palin, then let's hear her deny it.
Who cares if she can read a speech? Let's see her answer some hard questions.
Otherwise quit your whining you repug scum.
GoSarah @ 71:
no surprise that a man who dumps his first wife as she's dying of cancer, is committing adultery at the same time he's trying to impeach the president for oral sex,
would be able to lie like such a convincing bastard.....
i don't believe for a second he believed a word of what he said....
Racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and homophobia, fuelled in part by religious demagoguery and manipulation of the Internet, are
a reality both here and abroad. What specific steps would your administration take to combat t 8 his rising scourge?
SENATOR JOHN McCAIN: I believe that a free exchange of ideas and open dialogue contributes to the essential vitality of our
democracy, for which so many have fought and died. But those who would exploit these ideals to serve the causes of hatred and extremism offend the traditions of freedom we cherish. I oppose discrimination of any kind and have a long record of fighting to ensure that every American has an equal voice in the political process. I am pleased by the recent advances in technology, which have had an undeniable impact on politics, campaigns and governance more generally. The Internet, for example, serves as a powerful tool, enfranchising and empowering new voices, particularly among those who struggle to be heard in the political arena. However, the promise that the Internet holds must be balanced by forbearance at the potential for its abuse. Consistent with our laws, intelligence agencies and law enforcement must closely monitor the use of the Internet by those who would use it to incite violence and take appropriate action to combat such activities. Furthermore, we must always exercise our freedom of speech at home and use our bully pulpit to denounce forcefully those who use the Internet to spew extremist rhetoric.
This is the response John McCain gave in response to a survey from the Simon Wiesenthal Center in response to their 2008 Presidential Election.
Well, since the RNC like religion, I guess the next guest on the list of honorable speakers will arrive with wings, white robe, and angles playing harps to the tune of God Bless America.
Palin is really putting that minor in Politcal Science from Podunk Idaho to good use. Even George Bush was more qualified for the job.
ohio progressive @ 72:
Oh, I am not going to argue w/your list...tho it could be much longer. But, there are
within the Repug party many, many who really, truly and "fearfully" think that being
a P.O.W. is the number one qualification of McLameBrain..and will vote for him based
solely upon that criteria. Sad but true...
Economic Response from McCain:
Historically, the United States has always been the strongest economic power in the world. But today, the dollar is at the lowest we’ve
seen in decades. What new ideas would you bring to the table to reverse t 9 his troubling trend?
Our economy has been the freest, most dynamic, and prosperous in the world, and I intend to keep it so. We have entered the twenty-first century with the strongest economy in the world, and we must remain committed to pursuing the pro-growth policies that have propelled America’s emergence as the world’s brightest beacon of prosperity. Fulfilling the promise of American prosperity in a global economy rests on our ability to provide a pro-growth, jobcreating environment for working men and women, for innovators and entrepreneurs, and for our children on whom our nation will soon depend. A pro-growth economic policy that benefits all Americans
must recognize that it is the private sector – the entrepreneurs, the innovators, and all other hard-working Americans – which creates jobs
and grows the economy. I believe Washington can best assist America’s future by keeping taxes low and expanding global trade for American products to ensure our nation’s enduring prosperity. These steps would enhance the confidence of global markets in the fundamental U.S. outlook, a viewpoint likely to be reflected in a stronger currency value. Almost certainly, the steady, misguided drumbeat of calls for higher taxes; greater government spending; more burdensome regulation of health care and other markets; and increased economic isolation has weighed upon the dollar.
Or as old Phil told repugs that paid to listen to him at the convention last night..."I know your not whinners, your not economic illiterate or you wouldn't be here." Where the hell is the media in this story if this whole election, based off responses that the economy is number 1...why haven't you reported this to the fullest.
The open thread for the RNC is dead. My fucking head is about to explode watchng Giuliani. God help us.
stevo @ 80:
Why, oh why are you even watching/listening? Surely you have better things to
do.
mitt "my dog really does enjoy sitting in a cage on top of my car for hours on end and shitting down the back window" romney was barely tolerable to listen to again; rudy 9/11 guiliani is simply a joke. if i was listening only to rudy, i'd think that palin was the one who would be running the government, given her vast experience at running government running. what is mccain going to be doing while she's running things? napping?
i also like how lincoln was the founder of the republican party...who knew? *snicker*
If McSame's decision making weren't so damn frightening, this entire botched campaign of his would be hilarious. Anyone who would have suggested the scenario of McSame's VP pick - so lacking in any type of foreign affairs experience, did not have any executive experience until just up and deciding to run for mayor a few years back and now is a hearbeat from the Oval Office - such a scenario would have been laughed out of the screenwriting room if it were offered up.
None of ANY of the McSame campaign has made ANY sense. He can't remember simple yet critical elements of crucial middle east events/players, can't remember how many homes he owns, can't remember a reasonable cut off level for those who are financially "rich" AND he continually reminds people that all this is okay because he was once a POW.
It's just completely bizarre.
But..McCain has electrolytes...
I read palin said she had no problem with the discussion of creationism in schools. No, she didn't say it should be taught. But creationism is ignorance, based on nothing, and therefore has no basis for even discussion in schools. All the efforts by creationists have been to get the discussion into schools, judges rightly regard it as religionist horseshit and prevent it from being "discussed". Creationism is ignorance, and palin is ignorant. We don't need palin as a opening into the White House. The religionists are the ones who vetted her, stop them now.
We don't control the press.
Perhaps you need to talk to Rupert, the folks at the AP, or CBS/ABC/NBC or just call up the Pentagon to get to the military contractors.
Excuse me if I don't run to the defense of every mysterious lady who wants to be VP.
stevo @ 80:
I was counting on the camaraderie here to get me through this. Guess we're on our own at home...Why, C and L, WHY?
stevo @ 80:
was going to post this in response to Rudi post and why the GOP so keen on terrorism
1: terrorism
2: MSM induced panic
3: taxpayers gouged for benefit of MIC shareholders
4: endless war
5: profit
6: rinse and repeat
Anonymous Hussein @ 87:
the moderator is lying on the floor moaning with a monster migraine and an empty bottle next to her.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 90:
If these crazy fools start crying, I'm going to puke.
GoSarah @ 88:
No.
Maybe if the McCain campaign would make Sarah Palin available for interviews, she could answer these questions herself and the press might back off a bit. Why have they kept Palin hidden from the media since Friday? Did Biden do the same, or was did he appear on Sunday morning talk shows? (I honestly don't know/remember). Do you think Sarah Palin will be able to start talking to the media after tonight, or is she not ready yet?
Oh yeah, did I read that the McCain campaign released it's first commercial with Sarah Palin in it today? If it's just coming out today, that's more evidence that she was a last minute pick for McCain. I believe Obama's campaign put an ad out knocking the McCain/Palin ticket a few days ago.
Palin was picked to pander to the pro-life crowd. John McCain is pathetic. Not ready to lead.
She sounds like Stewart's mother on MadTV.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 90:
Lol. And maybe she wanted to watch Palin's speech in peace. Ok, we'll give her that:)
I think they chose the correct background for Sarah's speech - a lovely long shot of the Mall in DC with the Washington Monument prominent. Nothing says Palin family values like a giant national phallic symbol.......
Yes, your a breeder and McGramps is the Manchurian Candidate POW.
Charles @ 91:
'my thread is better than your thread :p' ;)
Palin: My son track serves in the army and is deploying to Iraq next week.
... And my husband is in the fourth alaskan seperatist brigade and right this moment is fighting in the cascades against union forces!
"..our littlest one..." So it's not her child?
GoSarah @ 88:
Nice. Defeat socialism? Ok then. Defeat public schools. Defeat public housing. Defeat public transportation. Defeat public healthcare. Defeat all your brothers and sisters, you schmuck. Defeat civil liberties. Defeat the protection of our firefighters and police forces. Defeat saving this country from greedy ruin. Give it all to the corporations who suck this economy dry. Give it all to the facscists who don't believe in the rights of individuals. Give it all up for your children and grandchildren for when they face isolation and difficult times, who is going to be there for them? Exxon?
Continue to defeat the enemy, our rights. Vote Republican.
She still sounds like Stewart's mother on MadTV.
bubba @ 99:
That will warm the cockles of WcCain, born in 1936 Spanish civil war era, seven decades and two years ago, before GW2, GW1, Vietnam, Korea, WW2.
Hahahahahaha! Nice hand lick to wipe the baby's hair. That was priceless.
Just think, WcCain was born in the era of black & white movies, and they had just introduced the new fangled talkies.
He remembers and saw the first time round (not repeats) Laurel and Hardy, the Three Stooges, Flash Gordon, Dick Barton.
Hes must be a one man walking museum of ancient pre 1950s movie lore.
Trekkie @ 48:
Make that a stupid blind squirrel. Between this and Campbell Brown have we a trend?
-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
Re: #88: I used to think that any woman who voted GOP was no better than a battered woman going back to her abuser. Now I feel the same way about anybody who's not uber-rich. Get help, chickie. Surely there must be a twelve-step program out there for folks like you who think that this Orwellian nightmare of the last seven years had @#$%-all to do with strength or freedom or Adam Smith capitalism. Get help. Now.
I say again, how can St. McCain hope to be president when he can't even check his temper with the media?
So, according to Sarah, it's the job of the duly-elected administration to "leave the nation better than they found it."
a) somebody shoulda' told Dubya that
b) won't be much of a challenge for Obama!!
GoSarah @ 111:
Awake and Republican? Most doubtful.
Perhaps in the crash-course in government she's expected to receive from the McCain campaign next week, she'll learn that her party has had a stranglehold on the U.S. Executive Branch for 20 out of the last 28 years.
Republicans for oil!!!!
Yeah!!!
When WcCain give his Replicant finale speech, all be quiet (or ignore).
"I have seen things you people couldn't believe; politicians like me sucking off the public teat.
I watched lobbyists feed me at your expense. all these things thankfully will be lost in time....
Congressional inquirys impotent like tears in the rain....[moody Vangelis xylophone chimes]....Time....to...snooze........"
Where did they find the people in this audience?
Oh yes, Amurika.
Here comes the bogeyman part of the speech.
Charles @ 116:
some graveyard somewhere and lots of shovels.
Shut the fuck up Huckabee.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 118:
Yes, Amurika, land of the walking dead. Brain dead.
Republicans. Defending America by ushering in a totalitarian fascist police state.
Yes someone tell me why you should listen to joe kline?
He is part of the paid by the corporation media,. Big money for the right story, or would that be the reich story?
They write what they are paid to write! That is why 25% of Americas reich wing are hate filled greedy ignorant people. Willing to vote against their own best interests because they hate liberals! Most don't even understand what the word means. They are just that stupid. God save us from the republican christian fundanutalists please.
i'm thinking sarah couldn't be bothered to vet the speech that was written for her. i wonder if she will sleep tonight, or if she realizes just how specially she was used.
Well, Sarah, I know Hillary Clinton. And you ain't no Hillary Clinton!
As I suspected, Ms. Palin is both arrogant and presumptuous - the attitude shines right through, even though she's just reading a speech written by someone else.
It would be nice to have a journalist interview her right after the speech and see if she does actually know anything about John McCain and his real record in Congress.
Time for bed here in PA - move along now, nothing more to see or hear - nite-nite.
You really can't be all proud that one of these pundit class people now and then say something that echos what you think. Guys like Joke Line are so out of touch, so scatterbrained, and so prolific that eventually their synapses will fire in a way that will make them generate a column that will get someone agreeing with them. So Joke Line wrote something we agree with. He's still a joke.
aquarius2 @ 24:
I would disagree, because of the all convention is on tape! I guess he is too old that he does not even understand the Computer.
And for the news there are stations who are not own by big corporations. Free Speech TV and Link TV are 2 offered by the Dish network that are not even cable paid like C-span but funded by the people.. I love them because you can see a different point of view. They can also be seen on line if you do not have the dish.
. Most repugs will go with the program. Any women who say they would go for McSame are voting against their self interest. That shows stupidity or racism because they are the Faux News watcher. I hear every morning the very old women and men on the Washington Journal. They scare me because they can impact the election with very old idea. Voices give them up.
I am 64 white women and will never vote for a repugs again for the rest of my life because the scandalous “Medicare Supplement Care”. I saw the all thing. Written by the pharmaceuticals Co, the Repugs kept the voting up until they could get the vote. Heard some offers to change vote by helping sent kids to college. But the sad part is that they let those companies charges full price for their drugs. Same drugs in Europe are less than half price than offer here.
My sister in Brussels pay taxes and house mortgage that is not even half that my house. Her extra medical for private room is about $1200 a years. She could not believe that we supposed to be the best place to live and do only care for the Millionaires and crooks?
McCain is absolutely out to lunch. If he starts trying to push the media around, who would be left to get his message out? FOX and Right wing radio and thats it. I suggest if McCain brushes off Larry King the other media outlets should brush him off for the next 7 days.
Over the next few weeks we will get an inside view of Alaskan politics and it won’t be pretty. Isolated from the lower forty-eight Alaska in a culture based on Wild West individualism and heavily addicted to oil revenues Alaska has become a center for corruption and inbreeding. Nepotism, religious extremism, oil money, gossip and threats are the main ingredients of their cultural and political system. What can we expect from Sarah Palin a product of this environment?
Doggiebobo @ 55:
Already happened. Campbel Brown demanding just one example of Palin making a decision as Commander of the Alaska National Guard. John POW got so pissed, he cancelled his interview with Larry King; a politician passing up free face time?
But then Obama punked McCain by announcing he will chat with Bill O'Really a couple hours before McCain's acceptance speech. You see, unlike John "War Hero" McCain, Obama isn't afraid to talk with hostile leaders.
The tactics that McCain is using against the press worked so well for the Bush administration. Is it any wonder that he is surprised that it isn't working now?
Biden will rip her a new clown car in the debate
jeff akston @ 12:
Ha ha.
It's funny actually (not in a ha ha way) but I've noticed in this talkback (and others) referring to Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2. I actually work with people who fought on both sides of the actual first Gulf War of recent times, the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988 (I think those were the dates). Just a comment on how we often forget this one.
Long time national female reporters should get angry and tell Republicans so that Republicans are accusing the Media of sexism. Women such as Katie Couric of CBS Evening News are Anchors and Good Morning America has many female co-Anchors.
So who is sexist? Media that have given women top jobs or political campaigns who are claiming the fact that a woman might be VP as a historic event.
Give me a break.
"When John McCain was a POW for 5+ years, he didn’t get to throw any tantrums or vet candidates. Can’t we give the guy a break?"
Ha ha good one.
Well, that nonsense does come up, to which I say: "John McCain was a POW for 5 years. He was tortured for 2 of those years, except that according to the Bush administration definition of torture, he wasn't. It was all a Viet Cong fraternity prank. For the last 30 years, however, he has lived a life of luxury and privilege on the backs of U.S. taxpayers and as the kept man of an ultrarich heiress for whom he ditched his first wife. So he's been more than paid back."
Klein makes some very good points.....
All the questions that have been asked about her are fair.....
Obama went through a far worst vetting process.... they called him unpatriotic, more interest in career over country, said he was a muslim, etc.
All the Obama attacks were based on BS and falsehood..... at least the vetting of Palin is based on fact and her own comments....
Sarah Palin is a joke, she didn't say anything in her speech, except call herself a female dog (BITCH) She thinks a job like a community organizer is a nothing job. You were mayor of a 9000 town, That around the same amount of people that lost their job in months in Chicago under Reagan's America; I think it's way more but I lost count. Then you are Governor of Alaska, where you raised taxes, kept the money the government gave you for bridge to nowhere. Don't believe in books in libraries. Not to mention your sister has enough money to buy a gas station. She don't believe in global warning and didn't protect the polar bear in her home state. She's a fraud and will be uncovered, just like the rest of the old school republicans.
Someguy @ 1:
Sounds like the truth to me!
Kudos to Joe Klein. Now we only have to hope that a few courageous members of the MSM will have the same insight. Ridicule of an opponent is neither policy discussion nor statesmanship. Beyond the necessary press vetting lurks the question: McCain/Palin seem to like a nasty fight for its own sake. Globalization requires diplomacy. The thought of a couple of loose cannons in the White House is deeply distressing.
Sorry to get into this late in the game, but has anyone noticed that this convention is the "see who has the youngest 2nd (or 3rd) new wife?"
McCain, Gulianni, Thompson. I'm really diggin those family values.
The press is deemed to be "Liberal" whenever a topic is written about in a style that requires an IQ greater than 85 (B+) to understand. GOP expectations of any media outlet is that it act as simple packagers of their message a la Madison Avenue. Any discussion that addresses the content rather than the package is treated as a sure sign of liberal bias.
jeff akston @ 12:
GoSarah @ 88:
Only the strong shall survive. Let the elderly, poor and all homeless and disabled fend for themselves. Death to all non-Christians. Long live our Empire. No individual rights. Corporate rule for all! Faith and allegiance to our homeland and God's chosen defenders the Republicans.
ZIEG HEIL! ZEIG HEIL!
Yep, that's what you are.
Jeff -
Stop your Rethuglican spinning.
Sarah Palin is another Republican who abuses power. It is in her personal history for everyone to see.
There are many more sources for that story -
In 1996 Palin first tried to ban books from the library. When the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons (a well respected librarian who had already serverd over seven years), refused, Palin then tried to fire her. Over 100 Wasilla residents organized to stop the firing and Palin finally backed down.
Here is the link to the Anchorage Daily News story on this:
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html
You can bet that using normal journalistic standards there are at least three sources on the story. So get back in your spin cave.
John McCain is such a hypocrite. He goes after the press for telling the truth when it is their JOB to do so. I guess he liked the "McCain Media" so much that he did not think anyone would ask a hard question. When they did, he went off on them. He is definitely a bully. I have to say, though, that Bill O'Reilly is a bully & he is always #1 in the cable ratings. Being a bully will make you very strong in many people's eyes.
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