"Country First"

You know your desperate when your Party Motto has to resort to this.

Gonzo gets another pass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXEbizsRln0

Can you beleive Gonzo gets away with breaking the law again? I think I want to puke.

Ruthless@2, That's good news. I wonder how the Repugs do after their Convention? Having all those old whitepeople and a few minorities probably didn't sit well with many Americans. I was not fooled how the Convention exploited the very few minorites there. It was shameful.

Big press look stupid hurrr

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

So, if your not a moose field dresser, a wolf shooter, parent of a pregnant teen, insecure, unable to adapt to the needs of the future, easily duped and ripped off by your own representatives and government I guess your a traitor to country and unpatriotic is that the idea?

you got it, bubba---clinging like mad to their guns and their "god."

Ruthless People @ 4:

L.A. Confidential @ 1:

"Country First"

You know your desperate when your Party Motto has to resort to this.

Not so subtle jab to try an portray Democrats as being against America. Everything about these people is Rovian, small, petty and childish. Exactly what you would expect from a party that can't govern and who has run America into the ground.

More to the point perhaps is the fact that this is an attempt by Republicans to run away from being identified as Republicans. Their message is toxic, their policies are unsustainable, their arguments cannot be defended. The only thing left for them is to wrap themselves in the flag and pray.

Someone of Fox said they were worried that Palin's speech tonight might steal the spotlight from McCain's speech tomorrow. I think they are more hoping than worried.

Is "country first" supposed to suggest that they aren't partisan? Okay if it is, that's just funny.

Ruthless@10, Why didn't MSM play up What Focus on the Family did? Advocating God to disrupt anything is ourageous! The fact the Hurricane hit the coast at the beginning of the Convention is eerie. Now Hanna is also making a appearance. If I were a religious woman, I'd be nervous. If I believe in anything, it's Karma.

"bit" not "bot" Grrr! Sorry!

P.D. @ 17:

Ruthless@10, Why didn't MSM play up What Focus on the Family did? Advocating God to disrupt anything is ourageous! The fact the Hurricane hit the coast at the beginning of the Convention is eerie. Now Hanna is also making a appearance. If I were a religious woman, I'd be nervous. If I believe in anything, it's Karma.

I wondered that myself. If that were Rev. Wright praying for a storm to disrupt the Republican convention but a hurricane came and distruped the Democratic convention instead the the traditional corporate media would have been on it 24-7.

The Republibots Party

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20669.htm

Phyllis Shafly is proclaiming McCain has revitalized his base. What base? Religiuos zealots? Wow. What a base.

L.A. Confidential @ 23:

The Republibots Party

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20669.htm

So this is freedom huh?

pissed off patricia @ 15:

Someone of Fox said they were worried that Palin's speech tonight might steal the spotlight from McCain's speech tomorrow. I think they are more hoping than worried.

Is "country first" supposed to suggest that they aren't partisan? Okay if it is, that's just funny.

They aren't letting her be exposed to the media at all. Not surprising since she doesn't have the experience to be media savvy either:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-vetting3-2008sep03,0,6772152....

Palin, who has been secluded since arriving Sunday night in St. Paul, will deliver her widely anticipated acceptance speech tonight or Thursday at the Republican National Convention. Asked Tuesday whether Palin would address "some of the controversies that have been swirling around her" -- involving her 17-year-old daughter, her husband's long-ago drunk-driving arrest, her pursuit of Washington pork-barrel "earmarks" and her encouragement of a political party that favors a vote on Alaska's secession from the United States -- campaign manager Rick Davis told reporters, "You're going to have to tune in to witness it firsthand."

But the questions have already forced Palin to curtail her activities as one of the party's hottest political celebrities. She has skipped the usual round of meetings with party leaders and delegates. Her only interview since McCain announced her selection Friday was with People magazine.

P.D. @ 28:

pissed@22, When is Hanna supposed to hit and where? You guys don't need anymore of Mother Natures fury.

South Carolina

L.A. Confidential @ 1:

"Country First"

You know your desperate when your Party Motto has to resort to this.

"Country Frist"

Bill @ 16:

That medical question is a bot contrived. Such procedures aren't only done with the intention of aborting if it's abnormal. Parents just want to know if they have a healthy baby or if there are going to be complications. Forewarned is forearmed.

Don't get me wrong, I think Palin is bloody dangerous. But there are enough real and obvious reasons to worry about her candidacy without indulging in beat-ups like this.

I agree with you completely. You could also have an OB/GYN who insists on the procedure regardless of the risk. Palin has enough negative issues going for her already. This is a non-issue and should not take time away from her lack of experience, her association with James Dobson and company, her stance on Roe v. Wade, her stance on perpetual war, her goofy, nutball Christian Dominionist beliefs in "destiny" and "God's will", her abandonment of her 17 year old daughter and Down's Syndrome son in exchange for the VP slot, her association with Ted Stevens, TrooperGate . . . . .

P.D. @ 28:

pissed@22, When is Hanna supposed to hit and where? You guys don't need anymore of Mother Natures fury.

As of the last time I checked it will go up the east coast of Fla and head toward Ga and the Carolinas. It should stay far enough offshore down here in Fla to leave us alone. Maybe some gusty winds and a little rain. Hopefully the winds will be mild enough that I don't have to go out and take down all the bird feeders and shepherd's hooks. The birds look so bummed out when they see me do that, as I did the other week when we didn't know what Fay was going to do.

Bill @ 16:

That medical question is a bot contrived. Such procedures aren't only done with the intention of aborting if it's abnormal. Parents just want to know if they have a healthy baby or if there are going to be complications. Forewarned is forearmed.

Don't get me wrong, I think Palin is bloody dangerous. But there are enough real and obvious reasons to worry about her candidacy without indulging in beat-ups like this.

I don't like to comment on female medical questions because I am not female but the key word and always the key word is CHOICE! She made the choice to have the procedure and make the choice to keep the baby. She is also advocating that all others not have that choice. As a typical Republican she advocates that she know what is best for everyone but when it comes to her and her daughter's body they want that option no matter what the final choice is.

CMINCA @ 34:

Bill @ 16:

Don't get me wrong, I think Palin is bloody dangerous. But there are enough real and obvious reasons to worry about her candidacy without indulging in beat-ups like this.

I agree with you completely. You could also have an OB/GYN who insists on the procedure regardless of the risk. Palin has enough negative issues going for her already. This is a non-issue and should not take time away from her lack of experience, her association with James Dobson and company, her stance on Roe v. Wade, her stance on perpetual war, her goofy, nutball Christian Dominionist beliefs in "destiny" and "God's will", her abandonment of her 17 year old daughter and Down's Syndrome son in exchange for the VP slot, her association with Ted Stevens, TrooperGate . . . . .

You guys are in the wrong universe.
This is national electoral politics, where the real money and power are.
You don't pussy around and win.
When you got an opponent down, you kick 'em, again and again.
If you got dirt, you spread it.
If there's doubt, you exploit it.
You got lies, you tell 'em.
Use whatever they give you.
Sling shit. Make 'em deny what sticks.
That's how you 'win' elections in the USofA...

Please tell me you're being ironic.

If not, join the Republican party where that kind of attitude belongs.

L.A. Confidential @ 41:

woody, tokin librul @ 40:

You guys are in the wrong universe.
This is national electoral politics, where the real money and power are.
You don't pussy around and win.
When you got an opponent down, you kick 'em, again and again.
If you got dirt, you spread it.
If there's doubt, you exploit it.
You got lies, you tell 'em.
Use whatever they give you.
Sling shit. Make 'em deny what sticks.
That's how you 'win' elections in the USofA...

Give us some advise on how to devolve back into red meat seeking neanderthals then.

What have you got, scruples?
Wrong bidness, pardner.
Politics is war by other means.
And, actually, you demean the neanderthaller. They succeeded for hundreds of thousands of years, until 'our' kind of humans exterminated them.

L.A. Confidential @ 37:

"Clones' offspring may be in food supply: FDA

Should probably be the biggest story on earth today. But, of course, it won't. Just too damn much money to be made.

http://tinyurl.com/5srq9v

All the more reason to go veggie!

CMINCA @ 35:

P.D. @ 17:

Ruthless@10, Why didn't MSM play up What Focus on the Family did? Advocating God to disrupt anything is ourageous! The fact the Hurricane hit the coast at the beginning of the Convention is eerie. Now Hanna is also making a appearance. If I were a religious woman, I'd be nervous. If I believe in anything, it's Karma.

Because Focus on the Family and others like them have perpetuated the Myth that there is a war against Christians going on and the MSM are afraid to be labeled as anti-Christian.

If there was a war on Christians and the storms are hitting the Bible belt and the south, does that mean that God is perprtuating the war on Christians?

woody, tokin librul @ 40:

CMINCA @ 34:

Bill @ 16:

Don't get me wrong, I think Palin is bloody dangerous. But there are enough real and obvious reasons to worry about her candidacy without indulging in beat-ups like this.

I agree with you completely. You could also have an OB/GYN who insists on the procedure regardless of the risk. Palin has enough negative issues going for her already. This is a non-issue and should not take time away from her lack of experience, her association with James Dobson and company, her stance on Roe v. Wade, her stance on perpetual war, her goofy, nutball Christian Dominionist beliefs in "destiny" and "God's will", her abandonment of her 17 year old daughter and Down's Syndrome son in exchange for the VP slot, her association with Ted Stevens, TrooperGate . . . . .

You guys are in the wrong universe.
This is national electoral politics, where the real money and power are.
You don't pussy around and win.
When you got an opponent down, you kick 'em, again and again.
If you got dirt, you spread it.
If there's doubt, you exploit it.
You got lies, you tell 'em.
Use whatever they give you.
Sling shit. Make 'em deny what sticks.
That's how you 'win' elections in the USofA...

I think what we are both saying is that if you are slinging shit, you better make sure it is the kind that is going to stick and stick for a long time.

If the GOP wants to really energize their base...they should show the last 2 minutes of "Dr. Strangelove" on the big screeen.

Ruthless People @ 21:

P.D. @ 17:

Ruthless@10, Why didn't MSM play up What Focus on the Family did? Advocating God to disrupt anything is ourageous! The fact the Hurricane hit the coast at the beginning of the Convention is eerie. Now Hanna is also making a appearance. If I were a religious woman, I'd be nervous. If I believe in anything, it's Karma.

I wondered that myself. If that were Rev. Wright praying for a storm to disrupt the Republican convention but a hurricane came and distruped the Democratic convention instead the the traditional corporate media would have been on it 24-7.

This actually got more time in the Christian press and media. They were, for the most part, not pleased. The general opinion was that Dobson had royally put his foot in his mouth and some were openly wondering about maintaining their connections with his group. Have you noticed the silence from that side lately?

I doubt the damage will be permanent, but I'm hoping it will last until, oh, about mid-November.

last night while i was watching the badly-written, badly read speeches at the republican convention which has the appearance of having been organized and designed by sixth graders, it suddenly occurred to me -- if john mccain does not know how to use a computer, how does he communicate with himself and others?

it's one thing to not use email but computers have replaced typewriters. does mccain not write anything but small notes on bits of paper? who is his secretary? he must have at least one, because if he can't type up his own notes and communications the only options are dictating to a person or to a recorder for someone else to transcribe.

how does this man function in the 21st century?

oh, that's right -- he's a POW. never mind.

L.A. Confidential @ 27:

L.A. Confidential @ 23:

The Republibots Party

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20669.htm

So this is freedom huh?

When I saw the video of the women with the flower being pepper sprayed I thought of this.

The 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests.

We will be free to consume, China will be free to produce.

They will lend us the money, we will spend it with them.

Ultimately this 'system' will collapse.

At some point our two countries 'freedoms' will look very much alike as do the actions of our respective governments.

It has already begun in earnest.

CMINCA @ 57:

Ron @ 48:

CMINCA @ 35:

P.D. @ 17:

Because Focus on the Family and others like them have perpetuated the Myth that there is a war against Christians going on and the MSM are afraid to be labeled as anti-Christian.

If there was a war on Christians and the storms are hitting the Bible belt and the south, does that mean that God is perprtuating the war on Christians?

One could only hope . . .

Seriously though, the Christians will blame those storms the sinful lives of the secular humanists (aka Liberal Democrats) and their support of gay marriage and abortion.

If that was the case, He would be more selective.

Tedster @ 55:

Population of Alaska: 626,932

Population of Austin, Texas: 656,562

Case closed!

Population of Equatorial Guinea: 551,201

Just.. putting that out there. :)

This may be O.T., but was there anything about the speeches last night that centered on the economy or health care, other than them wanting more free trade, "not fair trade."

Gretchen the aspiring elitist @ 54:

Ruthless People @ 21:

P.D. @ 17:

Ruthless@10, Why didn't MSM play up What Focus on the Family did? Advocating God to disrupt anything is ourageous! The fact the Hurricane hit the coast at the beginning of the Convention is eerie. Now Hanna is also making a appearance. If I were a religious woman, I'd be nervous. If I believe in anything, it's Karma.

I wondered that myself. If that were Rev. Wright praying for a storm to disrupt the Republican convention but a hurricane came and distruped the Democratic convention instead the the traditional corporate media would have been on it 24-7.

This actually got more time in the Christian press and media. They were, for the most part, not pleased. The general opinion was that Dobson had royally put his foot in his mouth and some were openly wondering about maintaining their connections with his group. Have you noticed the silence from that side lately?

I doubt the damage will be permanent, but I'm hoping it will last until, oh, about mid-November.

Would it be wrong to pray for Americans to wise up on election day?

Gretchen the aspiring elitist @ 61:

Ron @ 48:

CMINCA @ 35:

P.D. @ 17:

Because Focus on the Family and others like them have perpetuated the Myth that there is a war against Christians going on and the MSM are afraid to be labeled as anti-Christian.

If there was a war on Christians and the storms are hitting the Bible belt and the south, does that mean that God is perprtuating the war on Christians?

I know you were probably going for sarcasm but you hit on a point. There are many, many Christians who do think God is making a statement directed right at them. They cite Dobson, Hagee, Copeland, Osteen and their legions of followers to blame. The greed, messing with politics, scandals, desire for power and enormous personal fortunes can't be finding any favor with God.

I do think they have a point there.

No sarcasm, deadly serious.

Ron @ 64:

This may be O.T., but was there anything about the speeches last night that centered on the economy or health care, other than them wanting more free trade, "not fair trade."

I think you missed yesterday's Republican talking point (published on C&L) - this one is from Democracy Now!

Top McCain Aide: ’08 Election “Not About Issues”

Meanwhile, McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, has been quoted saying the candidates’ public image will matter more than issues in deciding the election. In an interview with the Washington Post, Davis said, “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

Ron @ 71:

CMINCA @ 70:

Ron @ 64:

This may be O.T., but was there anything about the speeches last night that centered on the economy or health care, other than them wanting more free trade, "not fair trade."

I think you missed yesterday's Republican talking point (published on C&L) - this one is from Democracy Now!

Top McCain Aide: ’08 Election “Not About Issues”

Meanwhile, McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, has been quoted saying the candidates’ public image will matter more than issues in deciding the election. In an interview with the Washington Post, Davis said, “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

I didn't miss it. That's why I asked. The issues are what people will be voting on.

I doubt that's true - at least for around 50% of the people. Repubs haven't been able to campaign on issues for many years, why would they start now?

Aged Blue Lensman on a Plank @ 72:

Ron @ 71:

CMINCA @ 70:

Ron @ 64:

I think you missed yesterday's Republican talking point (published on C&L) - this one is from Democracy Now!

Top McCain Aide: ’08 Election “Not About Issues”

Meanwhile, McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, has been quoted saying the candidates’ public image will matter more than issues in deciding the election. In an interview with the Washington Post, Davis said, “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

I didn't miss it. That's why I asked. The issues are what people will be voting on.

I doubt that's true - at least for around 50% of the people. Repubs haven't been able to campaign on issues for many years, why would they start now?

There a lot of independants and the so called Reagan democrats that are disatisfied with the economy and the health care issues.

CMINCA @ 73:

Alexdem @ 65:

CMINCA @ 63:

Very true. I noticed that they've changed their website significantly, toned down the hateful message and the hatemongering. I'm not saying there is a connection; it could also be fear of losing the non-tax status for being too political.

Pfff.. When did they ever strip the tax-exemption for any religious group? When a greedy cult like Scientology can get away with it, who can't? It's scandalous. And it would appear the dems are too scared of appearing 'anti-religion' to do anything about it.

I sure hope it'll change. Even some Republicans seem to realize the system is completely broken. (as reported here last.. november? Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has been looking into some of 'em.)

Fair enough. However, Robert Schuller's Crystal Cathedral lost a ruling in tax court where the IRS took the position that activities that were not related to religion, that were taking place on the property of the Crystal Cathedral with subject to tax. I think, specifically, they were referring to the paid performances for "The Glory of Easter" and "The Glory of Christmas". These activities were viewed as theatrical events, since they are advertised to members and non-members (and the tickets are really hefty $$$). Also, Schuller did lease out the Crystal Cathedral for other secular activities for which he was taxed. Schuller was, of course, on TV begging for money to cover these IRS expenses and he certainly isn't the worst of these fiends.

Don't forget Ken Copeland. He and his ministry are under tax investigation right now for how the ministry funds are being used; namely to support a few right-wing fund raisers. The private jet, owned by the church, was also used for purposes not connected with the ministry. Copeland has refused to cooperate. About a month ago it was reported that he refused to turn over his personal finance records to the investigating committee because, according to him, those records "belong to God".

I really hope the IRS nails him, but like Schuller he'll be back on TV asking his minions to send in their last dollars to cover the fines. Some of the poor dumb sheep will do it, too.

On the surface this doesn't look good for protesters nor the police.