Four More Neoconservative Years?
David Sanger at the NY Times is one of those top-level reporters who often willingly carries water for the Bush administration - promulgating "unofficially official" leaks, for instance - in order to preserve his precious access. It appears that he's willing to do the same for the McCain campaign.
Hidden from view during much of the Republican convention here, a fierce struggle has been under way for the foreign policy heart of John McCain.
It centers on the deep schism inside the Republican Party over how to engage with the rest of the world, a running debate that has consumed different wings of the party and the Bush White House for the past seven and a half years. All week here, it was an undercurrent running just beneath the message of party unity and experience that Mr. McCain emphasized in his acceptance speech on Thursday night.
On Thursday night, Republicans here got few hints about whether Mr. McCain will appeal to the base by leaning toward the more confrontational, go-it-alone approach of President Bush’s first term, or whether he will adopt the somewhat chastened, let’s-negotiate tone of the second term, which has driven may of the hawks to despair.
Umm...bulls**t. It's been clear to most for some time now that the neocons won the battle. His chief foreign policy advisor is Randy Scheunemann ferchissakes!
Scheunemann told the New York Sun that despite a number of “realists” such as Brent Scowcroft among McCain’s other foreign policy advisors, his own influence, as well as that of other like-minded advisers like William Kristol and Robert Kagan, has been paramount. "I don't think, given where John has been for the last four or five years on the Iraq War and foreign policy issues, anyone would mistake Scowcroft for a close adviser," Scheunemann said, adding that even if Scowcroft were close, McCain "was not taking the advice.”
And alongside Randy stand his fellow PNACers R. James Woolsey, William Kristol and Robert Kagan.
I know that Sanger is just a channel - and that Mccain's messagers want the elecorate to be uncertain about whether he's a neoconservative warmonger himself (after his "Bomb iran" musical venture) - but this passes beyond suspension of disbelief.
If you needed another hint:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman is among several national security experts helping brief Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on foreign policy issues as she prepares to hit the campaign trail while cramming for a debate with her Democratic opponent...The McCain campaign has tapped Stephen E. Biegun, the national security adviser to then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), to be Palin's principal foreign policy adviser.
Biegun is admittedly what passes for a "realist" in McCain's camp - he was until recently vice president of International Governmental Affairs for Ford Motor Company (nice bit of revolving-door back scratching, there) and was Executive Secretary of Rice's National Security Council in the two years leading up to the invasion of Iraq. A dove, he isn't. And Palin just doesn't strike me as the "realist" sort.
But Lieberman does say Palin will be neocon-ready if the ageing McCain should fail to see out a whole term.
(Previously published in a slightly different form at Newshoggers)
Why don't put Palin in a room with Michael Ledeen. Now he's the real expert on foreign policy. He knows how to plant evidence, get his relatives jobs they are not qualified for in a country that is engaged in a war he helped "create". Palin and Ledeen seem like two peas in a pod.
Just missed a report on AC360 about this:
Alaska legislature to subpoena Palin aides in 'troopergate'
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/51877.html
Could get interesting...
i hope palin witnesses to holy joe and he decides to convert to christianity
he aint no dem, and he aint no jew
Much as I dislike Lieberman we must not talk of kicking him out of the party till after Obama as won.
I will not stand by and allow the creation of a Congress where Cheney gets a vote.
Why is SaraP wearing an un-side-down "W" button?
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When Andrea Mitchell
Joe LIARman said:
"Let's assume the best..."
... Because actually discussing IF Sarah "Book Banning" Palin is ready and qualified to Lead the Nation is... Oh did someone mention McPOW?
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As always, the devil is in the details. The Neocons always squawk about engaging the rest of the world. With what exactly? Spitballs?
She'll be "ready", just like she is ready to stand up to the press.
I know this is off topic, but I want to share what my wife said about Palin. "She's a small town mayor with a big mouth." My take on it is that she's just a bully with boobs.
Having William “The Bloody” Kristol as a foreign policy advisor speaks volumes. Epic FAIL.
This is getting scarier and scarier. We cannot let this election be stolen. I think the safety of everyone with under $5 million in income could be affected in horrible ways. The 20cent an hour Vietnamese to middle Africa would be the lowest caste slaves. These neocons do not care. They are the worst kind of slime.
Four More Neoconservative Years?
No i distinctly remember saying, No More Neoconservative Years!
The members of PNAC should be accused, convicted and imprisoned for conspiracy to commit mass murder and treason.
And if there are four more years of GOP rule under PNAC, or similar marionettes, this country will not survive.
Oprah refuses to put Sarah Palin on her show, but I'm sure Amy Goodman would welcome the barracuda on Democracy Now.
Same GOP/PNAC circus, different GOP/PNAC clowns. Whenever the term "PNAC" is written, it should be preceded with "disgraced, former member of PNAC . . . " much like disgraced former GOP Congressman DeLay or disgraced former GOP Speaker Gingrich. Guys like R. James Woolsey, William Kristol and Robert Kagan don't even take themselves seriously anymore--and we're supposed to think McCain and Scheunemann want to bring these PNAC failures into the light of day, again?
Forget every other controversy or damaging issue swirling around Palin. There is only one that can bring down the campaign. Read more. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/this-is-story.html
Preparing Sarah Palin for the upcoming debate with Joe Biden, I suspect, consists mainly of how to hide a listening device in Palin's Amy-Winehouse-style beehive hairdo.
I guess that is what Lieberman means by claiming "Palin will be neocon-ready".
I have so many reactions to Sarah Palin, it's hard to know where to begin. First of all Why is no one interviewing her???
The arrogance of even suggesting that she lives on the same planet as Hillary Clinton let alone provides an alternative to any woman is disgusting. And makes this very recently ex-Republican (Sept 5) furious. Not that I supported Clinton, I didn't, but she is educated, skilled and could lead the country.
I liked McCain, voted for him. He looked like a robot during the convention. His comment about introducing Palin to Washington made my skin crawl, it was downright sexual. His fake smiles after almost every statement reminded me of Chucky. Where did his passion go? Where did his ideas go?? I was astonished. This man is not John McCain. It's as if the campaign has destroyed his soul.
I am so depressed about this, for him. But scared for the country, no one with an ounce of sense can or should vote for this sham the Republicans have assembled.
Please, please someone interview this woman. What is underneath has got to come out.
McCain age:72
Cut to a picture of him and bush with cake in New Orleans in 2005 - Katrina
McCain age:72
Cut to words: 3 cancer surguries
McCain age:72
Cut to Picture of putin, the iran PM, Kim of North Korea
McCain age:72
Cut to Picture of foreclosed homes
McCain age:72
Cut to picture of Palin
Think she's ready?
The names, bios, profiles, and agendas of these "foreign policy/security advisers" need to be out in front of all America so everyone has at least of clue of what really drives McCain. The MSM won't do it, so maybe a viral email?
Palin has helped McCain in one aspect . . . at least America isn't talking too loud about how many houses McCain has. The "house" issue sank Romney (I read that he has at least 5) and abortion eliminated Lieberman and Ridge--McCain's two top choices. Cindy McCain wore a $300,000 outfit to the GOP Convention this week while America lost jobs for the eighth straight month. Had enough? "The Republicans are coming to save you from the Republicans" will be a tough sell for McCain and Rove.
As a neoconservative, Palin is perfect for the Republicans. As mayor, she left her town in debt, carried out personal vendettas, supported wasteful spending and banning books. As a Governor, after less than two years in office, she is being investigated for abuse of power. She is perfect in the neoconservative world.
The very sad part about all of this is the fact that we have been played by the Republicans so that we are forced not to focus on how badly McBush screwed up, but instead on a two bit mayor from from a town that is smaller than most suburban towns. As long as Obama and the Democrats let her get away with her lying (and that is what they have to call it), the longer the focus will be on her. Obama and the Dems can't let themselves get swiftboated.
Jane @ 17:
Jane, the cowards in the Republican party won't let her be interviewed. It is Bush-Cheney all over again.
You Dems should be worried. According to Rasmussen Reports, Sarah Palin is more popular than McBush AND Obama!!!
"Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
Sarah Palin mentoring by Lieberman and his Neocons cabal's strategist about foreign policy is a bad sign to average American of what is coming.
The sad part about this is that her knowledge of foreign policy is near zero, regardless of the daily selling by GOP that she lives in Alaska , a state near Russia which gives Sarah Palin enough load of foreign policy experience.
Neocons do not like to see themselves visible to public when running foreign policy ,they like it instead this way when they set the rules of the game behind the scenes,and people like Sarah Palin just reads what Neocons wrote for her and wanted her to say to fulfill their PNAC manifesto plan of more destructive wars in the Middle East.
I loved a comment I read on another site this morning:
What's the difference between Sarah Palin and George W Bush?.......Lipstick!
I'm going to be very blunt with you.
If McCain wins, he will be killed so that the Fundamentalists can have a pure puppet in the White House.
In that case, all bets are off.
I noticed that McCain's speech was less bellicose than McCain the person actually is. I guess their focus groups and polls found he scared the shit out of even aggressive Americans, so the soft-peddled his foreign policy views. Sanger knows that unless he is a complete idiot. He chooses to help sell the crap that McCain is now suddenly some kind of foreign policy moderate. He'll have forgotten that column by the time the bombs start falling on Tehran.
These republicans are nuttier then a fruit cake!
I'm shocked you guys haven't posted this.
Al Sharpton humiliating Hannity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h50tLFbWeGE
Stand up and Fight with me… I loved it. Now it’s time to tell the truth about Barack Obama... He is no Bill Clinton, he is Jimmy Carter. Since Bill Clinton was the best President the conservatives had (e.g. - NAFTA, Welfare Reform, etc) ...years where Republicans controlled congress. Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama could be brothers in ideology - hey finally a real liberal in the white house. So why did Jimmy Carter's presidency fail?
It has nothing to do with liberal/conservative, democrat/republican, etc. Jimmy Carter failed because he didn't understand modern economics... Bill Clinton did. The truth is that the government can't compete with the private sector for job creation. The private sector can leverage money through the banking system and the government can’t. It's really that simple. Every dollar in the private sector can be leveraged more than 10 times to create jobs and fuel the economy. Those dollars in your checking account... your bank has loaned them to more than 10 people. Which means that every dollar the government collects in taxes costs the economy more than 10 dollars.
Obama’s tax increases will cost this country jobs - millions of them. If you are a single mom trying to make do, imagine what it will be like when there are millions fewer jobs and those jobs will pay less because your employer will have to offset the additional payroll taxes that they will pay under Obama. How will you make do then?
All we have to do is look to Jimmy Carter to see the results of Obama’s vision. It would be a disaster. By the way, you can thank your public education for not knowing that the private sector creates jobs and fuels the economy at a much faster rate than the government can.
Guys get on your game post this is too funny not too see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h50tLFbWeGE
I've been saying for awhile that one of the main reasons I'm voting for Obama is the fact that McCain does has neocons like Scheunemann and Kagan on his staff. Now that they have Palin on the ticket, that scares me even more. She apparently has little experience in foreign policy, but the neocons will mold her, the pitbull that she is, into their point of view.
McCain makes "jokes" about "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran"; he makes jokes about "cigarettes are one way of killing them (Iranians)"; says we could be in Iraq "100 more years"; and tells a lady a few weeks ago that he agrees with her that we should have a military draft in order to get enough people to get Bin Laden.
These just may be jokes and rhetoric, but when you have neocons running your foreign policy, they are not jokes. PNAC members, of which Scheunemann and Kagan belong, openly urged Clinton in 1998 to bomb and attack Iraq. Neocon Norman Podhoretz, also PNAC member, was Giuliani's foreign policy advisor for his presidential campaign. Podhoretz met with Bush early this year to urge him to attack Iran. Podhoretz publicly stated that he "prays" that Bush attacks Iran (remember that video clip of Palin saying that war in Iraq is part of God's plan?)
PNAC no longer exists as the neocon thinktank it was; however, its neocon members exist and planning very dangerous things. If you look at PNAC's website, if you look at PNAC's wikipedia page, you can see those who used to belong to it. They include people like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, John Bolton, and others from the Bush administration.
I really wonder how many people out there know what PNAC is, and for that matter, how many people really know what "Neocons" are.
I don't know if Palin has truly been a Neocon, but if she isn't, she will become one with these types of advisors. And, she is apparently very, very good at keeping secrets.....something Cheney is very, very good at. Now McCain's camp is not letting her talk to the press; my suspicion is that they will attempt to use and manipulate the press in their favor; my cynical suspicion, which probably isn't so cynical, is that they would do things like get her on Fox and actually feed questions to Fox for them to ask of Palin but don't let other networks even talk to her......state controlled media.
This is very, very scary.
The other very scary implication of a McCain win is what sort of cabinet advisors he would pick. I think there is a very real possibility he would use Scheunemann as foreign policy advisor; a very real possiblity he might use Giuliani as Homeland Security; who else??? Very, very scary and dangerous.
I'm getting sick.
30 America Proud
You're missing one important aspect in your theory. Does Mr. Corporation support whoever will be Prez. That is what you are missing. Mr. Corporation ditched Carter because they did not like his policies and that destroyed his presidency. Jury is still out on what the hell Obama really is, besides having a D beside his name. Today Clinton is still loved by the partisan crowd, many not understanding that it wasn't the D beside his name that made him so successful but the fact that Mr. Corporation LOVED him and his policies. He helped them get richer with paper tricks. But that paper burned quick when Bush came to power and it was realized that many of these megacorporations were nothing more than accounting tricks. What will Obama bring? Who knows. Can't be any worse than the last 8 years of totally corrupt incompetent governing by Bush's cabal.
Do you suppose McCain sold out to the Neocons just like he sold out to the Viet Cong? Just a thought.
17 Jane Says:
"I have so many reactions to Sarah Palin, it’s hard to know where to begin. First of all Why is no one interviewing her???"
There are two reason for that and both are related. One, the McCain campaign is keeping her out of the spotlight and only letting her do speeches. The reason for this is simple. She has no idea about foreign policy, national security, or the economy. When she eventually opens her mouth to answer a question, like say about Kim Jong Il and she responds with Who? its all over.
If they steal another election we should take up arms and clean them out!
McCain and Palin will be four more years of Bush. No doubt about that.
Unemployment rising.
Wages falling.
Housing a disaster.
Vote Republican.
More war. Stimulate the economy.
Vote Republican
I finally figured out how to get conservatives to use condoms.
Condom companies should put out a line of red, white and blue condoms that smell like Barbara Bush.
A palindrome is a word or phrase which reads the same in both directions.
Palin IS Bush in both directions. It wouldn't be just 4 more years with McSame and Palindrome it would be 8 more years.
These say it all.
Your Pocket Guide to Speaking Palin-guage (Vol. 1)
The Guide to the Conservative Palinguage Vol.2 -- the People's Edition
Just one example here...
"If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire." If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."
Warzone in St. Paul
mil style ! stun grenades used on protesters (2:38 onward)
james Ratliff @ 37:
The sheeple did nothing when the previous TWO 'elections' were stolen. What makes you think they'll overcome their lassitude in the event of another one? The SCUM (SoCalledUnbiasedMedia) are hard at work promoting the closeness of the 'event,' with the purpose of keeping it close enough to steal.
Stun grenades are considered passive resistance by Republicans.
Kathy @ 5:
Because 'M' is a recycled 'W' policy clone.
Obama gets a small bounce after McCain/Palin speeches.
Rasmussen: OBAMA 49% - McCain 46%
FUCK YEAH!!!
I'm glad to see law and order putting down those miserable communists in Minnesota.
Vote Republican.
Liberal AND Proud @ 46:
Stun grenades would have the opposite effect on protesters, than the pacifying desired by police.
It would get everybodys adrenaline going, as witnessed by the swearing at the police.
The document below is 90 pages, but if you want to get an idea of what Neocons (and former PNAC) members are all about, look at the first few pages.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
On page iv:
ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for U.S. military forces:
• defend the American homeland;
• fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
• perform the “constabulary” duties associated with shaping the security environment in
critical regions;
• transform U.S. forces to exploit the “revolution in military affairs;”
Note that it is a "mission" to "fight multple, simultaneous major theater wars." It is NOT a mission to be prepared for war....it is a statement that we will go to war.
And, you've got William Kristol, the spokesman for the Neocons and PNAC, the group he founded; if McCain wins, Kristol will become the de facto press spokesman for the new administration.
I am not usuallynot prejudiced but Holy Joe gives Jews a really bad image. This is a worthless man associated with people who have been wrong as long as we have thought about going into Iraq. What have William Kristol and Kagan ever been right about? Why do they supposedly have credance? The GOP is controlled by crooks, liars, and chickenhawks....and the religious rightwingnuts.
If we don't get this election off Palin we are going to lose. We cannot afford to lose.
LIEberman is briefing Sarah for the debate with Biden.
I hope there is a special place in the hottest part of hell for Holy Joe.
I love Al Gore, but I don't think I can ever forgive him for putting LIEberman on a national stage.
Got those things off my mind this morning. Thks.
Janet @ 43:
Nice! Thanks for those. My favorite, and so true:
"SeanOcali says: If you're 18, white, and get a 16 year old girl pregnant "life happens." If you're 18, black, and impregnate a 16 year old girl, you're a "registered sex offender."
SassySandy @ 53:
I truly believe that had Gore pursued the Presidency that was his, Unholy Joe would have been reduced to a minor role as VP (he is, after all, a lapdog). He'd have done his four years then gone away quietly, IMHO.
We should write the propaganda channel, Faux, and tell them that we need to know more about this woman. Be sure to check into all organizations and associations she has had. For all we know she may have belonged to an organization that wants Alaska to secede from the U.S. or other radical groups.
McCain/Palin= "Fear. More years!"
America Proud @ 30:
Obama's tax proposals can be compared to McCain's here. Since there will be no tax increases under Obama unless you're making over $600,000/year, you must be one of those "trickle down" economics adherents. Obama is being advised, among others, by Laura Tyson, former Chair of the President's Council of Economic Advisers under Clinton.
This economy is in bad shape because of 8 years of borrow and spend by the federal government, ballooning the deficit and weakening the dollar. Easy credit has allowed consumers to fall head over heals in debt. Now that the credit markets have tightened, all of a sudden, this economy has to pay for the ongoing consumption, along with the consumption of the past.
One hallmark in Clinton's administration was a tax increase in 1993 that led to balancing the federal budget. This caused the federal government to stop competing with the private sector for funds, contributing to a business expansion.
When President Bush took office, he set upon destroying the federal surpluses and reinstating the deficits with a mind bogging zeal, undoing the Clinton tax increase. The rest, as they say, is history.
What we don't need is ideologues spouting a tax cut approach, no thinking required. I think the amount of money this country has borrowed from China, for example, hamstrings our foreign policy. We're spending 1 out of 2 dollars spent in the world on the military. If Americans want to continue playing the world's policeman, then, they need to pay for it.
But, thanks to people who think like you, politicians are reluctant to raise taxes. This is being recognized by the world, leading to dollar devaluation, and accompanied inflation, especially on imported items. So, pay through taxes, or pay through inflation, either way, we're going to pay. I think a rampant inflation will destabilize the economy. And continued federal borrowing reduces capital available to the private sector. The "borrow and spend" ideologue believes in a free lunch, or that Jesus is going to come and miracle away the national debt. I'm not so confident that's going to happen.
james Ratliff @ 28:
Nobody likes fruit cake.
#58, NoBuddy
Bush is the only U.S. president ever NOT to raise taxes during a time of war.
How in the hell will we even pay for those wars the Neocon f'ks will wage, much less even find the number of troops to fight those wars?
The most painful lesson of the past 8 years is to face up to is how easy it is for a rouge government to take over a lazy, complacent, spoiled, and politically disconnected populace.
Ron @ 56:
Probably will get the results desired if written from the perspective of an angry, white, racist male who is afraid that Palin simply isn't "hard-core" enough (fundie, racist, etc) for my taste, and that I'm thinking of voting for Obama, but I need Faux's help...
thing i love about that joe clip is, he laughs and spends the length of the clip thinking to himself, "do I go for it?" then he just say, "fuck it." and goes for it.
I see in the article "But Lieberman does say Palin will be neocon-ready if the ageing McCain should fail to see out a whole term."
McCain himself couldn't make the distinction between a Shiite and Sunni. That shows that the details are being left to neocon think tanks. Randy Scheunemann is McCain's foreign policy advisor.
I expect McCain and Palin to spout neo-con talking points, and little else. I don't think that either are capable of grappling with foreign policy on their own.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 60:
We'll pay for the wars by having treasury print money. We'll get the troops by recruiting Mexicans, and promising citizenship if they serve.
#65, NoBuddy...
What's interesting but extremely frustrating is the repug line of Obama raising taxes on the middle class and McCain won't; however, Obama's plan indeed is only to raise taxes on the very wealthy.
What's interesting about raising the taxes on the very wealthy is the fact that certain wealthy people, like Warren Buffet, the wealthiest in the world, have said that it is unfair that his secretary pays more in taxes percentagewise than he does, percentagewise. And it's known that Warren Buffet is a Democrat supporting Obama. I'm not sure whom Bill Gates supports, but I think the rumor is that he also is a Democrat.
Those very wealthy individuals supporting McCain don't want taxes raised, yet they want war all across the world because McCain has Neocons like Scheunemann running his foreign policy stuff. And, again I ask, how in the world will these Neocon f'ks pay for these wars and find the troops?????
In all seriousness, I probably think NoBuddy, you have the correct answer to that question!
james Ratliff @ 28:
I happened to be checking out headlines on Drudge and came to a story about how more people watched the Republican Convention than the Democratic convention.
I started reading the comments and it was the most hateful back and forth between Republicans and Democrats I ever read. The Republicans on the thread are convinced that Obama is nothing less than a coke addicted criminal who loves and cavorts with other criminals. I'm no troll, so don't go there. I'm going to post this ad to show you the kind of hate and the ads that are coming out against Obama. This is an example of what all of us have to look forward to in the coming weeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SODIFZXIPA
After reading all the hateful to and fro's coming out of the various posters on that thread, I've come to the sad conclusion that the Civil War has NOT ended...officially.
We are living in a country that is split right down the middle. The whole Red State/Blue State thing is no joke.
Having the possibility of Sarah Palin as POTUS is totally unacceptable to me. But there's a good chance McCain/Palin could win in November.
How can we, as Progressives, live in this country under a very possible Palin Administration????
Or the Mexicans will be hired as domestic security forces and prison guards while military ready Americans up to age 42 are conscripted.
America Proud @ 30:
Simply put your argument is baseless because Obama's tax increases are limited to those who had an unfair tax advantage and did absolutely nothing to help our economy. If your argument were true we would see our economy rapidly growing and unemployment falling. There has been an obscene redistribution of wealth in this country and everybody knows it. You seem somewhat intelligent, and I am surprised that you floated that canard out there.
PorridgeGun @ 48:
Did you notice that the link has an ad asking for contributions to the McCain/Palin "compliance" fund? WTF is a "compliance fund"? To me, it sounds like they will torture you if you do not comply.
The Obama-Biden campaign better be sure to check out Palin and McCain when they come to debate them to make sure they are not wearing wires. No way in hell should the Dems trust the Repuklicans to not use dirty tricks during the debates to prop us these two puppets and feed them information while the debate is underway. I would not trust either of them any further that I could throw my 3 seater sofa. These bastards will stop at nothing to deceive the American people.
LIEberman is exactly what happens when the
victim turns into the aggressor, meaning from
WWII, LIEberman is now the neocon nazi.
everytime i he him, all i can thing about
is "shake and bake". he was never a
democrat, but a fucking wolf in sheep's clothing.
America Proud, oncall, NoBuddy, and other interested parties:
Let's tell the truth. The American economy is not really under the control of the President or the Congress - hasn't been for a very long time. Oh, they can fiddle around with taxes here and there, and talk about job creation and raising the standard of living.
But when the Big Boys who really control the finances of the world decide they want to increase their take, they just make it happen. I'm speaking here about the private banks that control the Federal Reserve, the folks running the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the folks who control the major global corporations - pretty much all the same crowd. And, let's not forget the CIA, the folks who make it happen for the money guys by fomenting civil or political unrest.
And, if that deosn't work, well, just have a little preemptive war so the M-I complex can continue to reap the rewards with the added benefit of reducing the world population.
For the last 8 years, we in America have been the target. They've invested a lot in our economy and now they're taking their profits before they pull out and move to say China, or maybe Russia. Better stock up on rice and beans......
George Bush couldn't even hold Carter's jock strap. Easily the WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER. --as McCain/Palin is the WEAKEST. TICKET.EVER.
And if your Icon Reagan hadn't laughed at Carter's plan to get us off oil dependency, we would'nt have to lie about occupying Iraq to "liberate" the people....But something tells me you neocons already knew that a long time ago.
McCain = Draft to fight his new wars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w&eurl=http
Wake UP AMERICA!
woody, tokin librul @ 45:
Instead of complaining, put down the bong, and get out the vote--then it can't be stolen !
I agree completely that deficit spending is a real problem. However, I find it interesting that your solution to deficit spending is to raise taxes, even though doing so significantly reduces job growth and opportunity for the poorest of Americans. Don't you think that a better solution would be to reduce spending!
Bill Clinton and Al Gore implemented sweeping reforms to streamline government and make it more efficient and productive. The result was that spending growth was reduced significantly and the rest is history. Don't forget that Bill Clinton also benefitted from massive private investment to fix the Y2k problem and the roll out and mainstreaming of the internet, which provided significant economic benefit. This huge economic boost is clearly seen in the top line of IT firms such as SUN Microsystems. It's clear that there was huge investment for Y2K and in 2001 and since that investment was reduced significantly.
Government needs money to pay it's bills so it has to tax. But if you raise taxes then you damage the economies ability to create jobs and opportunity for it's citizens. So can we at least agree on a tax rate that doesn't impact job creation, but allows the government to pay it's bills, and can we agree that the government should control it's spending and not go into deficit. Doesn't that make more sense than raising taxes.
To Oncall @ 60:
>Simply put your argument is baseless because Obama’s tax increases are limited >to those who had an unfair tax advantage and did absolutely nothing to help our >economy. If your argument were true we would see our economy rapidly growing >and unemployment falling. There has been an obscene redistribution of wealth in >this country and everybody knows it. You seem somewhat intelligent, and I am >surprised that you floated that canard out there.
Your comment above is irrelevant, because you don't know what the economy would have done had taxes been higher. There's no canard in stating facts about the mechanics of the economy. I suggest that you go back to a private school and learn the facts about the economy that you should have learned in your failed public education.
I agree with you completely that there has been extreme unfairness... but you are a fool to think that your solution lies within the democratic party and it's current leadership. The democratic party is choke full of fat cats too, and they are the worst kind. Because they claim to be the advocate of the poor, all the while protecting their own trust funds. They rob the same people they claim to be helping.
Our problem is corruption at every level of government and industry. What do you expect when our politicians are forced to accept third party money to fund their elections. It's bribery and it has been institutionalized in our system. Obama doesn't represent you... he represents the hollywood freaks who have greased his palms. Same with McCain.
There is no such thing as a fair income tax my friend - especially when every fat cat and lobbyist can buy a loophole. I'm just as disgusted as you at the unfairness... but I'm not about to support the offenders with my complaining.
By the way, the only fair tax is a consumption tax.
james Ratliff @ 28:
And just as hard and tasteless.
Andrew is right on about the stolen elections. Just check out Brad Blog, Mark Crispin Miller or this story about a guy who worked on the McCain campaign..then quit when he realized the elections are rigged. Our only hope is to get out the vote in mass!
Stephen Spoonamore, one of the world's leading experts in cyber crime and a self-described "life-long Republican" destroys Diebold's already non-existent credibility.
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/08/worlds_leadin...
Every time I see Lieberman, I throw up just a little.
America is nearing an economic, foreign policy and political meltdown and she's getting an open-book quiz. how many points will she lose if she misspells "nuclear?"
we can already see she's not very good at deliberation, but a scream at making threats and handing out demerits and pink slips.
...geez, if i wanted my second grade teacher to be president, i'd at least expect her to be vetted...
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