If Palin is the new "rising star" of the Republican Party, does that make her a "celebrity"?

'Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhh, I'm a gude gurl I am !'

'Get me to the church AIP meeting on time'

'my old man's a dustman science teacher lying evolutionist (who will burn in hell), he wears gore blimey boots rubber gloves'

Can McCain’s strong convention performance propel him to victory?

No, but it will propel another green screen challenge.

Apparently she's attending a ceremonial lunch today, to congratulate her on being selected by the Republican (or Reptilian) leader. It's already on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObQfWMgmIM

If you want a break from the Vichy Whore psychobabble of the MSM, I suggest you take a read of a very critical article over at Firedoglake:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/sadism-cruelty-torture-in-the-twin-cit...

which gives you a view on the ground about what went on during the "police" assaults on protesters, lawyers, journalist, medics, and random citzens, during the RNC, by Kirk James Murphy, M.D. , that will make your hair stand on end. This needs to get out, believe me.

Has anybody actually said, "I would like to vote for Obama, but he's too much like Tom Hanks"?

I know we like to talk about the celebrity attack, but it strikes me as something that would never have worked in the first place.

"Do you really want to vote for somebody who's popular and well-liked?"

jimmieg @ 7:

Whats catching my eye? Yesterdays interview of McCain saying he would have a bipartisan cabinet and ask them to work for $1..........

God, what an idiot. He can't even play checkers, how will he play chess with Putin? Yeah, let them work for $1 so they can get all their real money from lobbyists and pay offs. Then hire people with questionable pasts to ensure they can be blackmailed.

Where's Gov. Palen? Not here, ....not under here,.... not over there,.... hmmmm.

Check out this AP article -- "McCain-Palin becoming Palin-McCain?":

[Palin] is emerging as the main attraction for many voters at their campaign appearances.

"She's the draw for a lot of people," said Marilyn Ryman, who came to see her at the Colorado rally inside an airport hangar. "The fact that she's someone new, not the old everything we've seen before."

...

Perhaps recognizing the excitement she is generating, the McCain campaign was planning to keep Palin with McCain for several more days, rather than dispatch her to campaign by herself, as had initially been discussed.

...

Denny said Palin's inclusion on the ticket was "110 percent" the reason why she went to see her Saturday.

So, in other words, Palin was put on the ticket like a dog & pony show, to lure people to the party and to the events.

And the Republican base -- NO-information voters -- are drawn to it like flies to Dick Cheney's soul.

I weep for America.

Who declared that Palin was not a member of the AIP?

At the 6 minutes mark.. Dexter Clark talks about Sarah Palins membership in the AIP before she moved over to the Republican Party. The 8:40 part should be of interest also.

Alaska Independence Party - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NK2sFJebGc

The GOP Scrubbing crew seems to be slipping. Doesnt look like Lynette Clark's denial story matches up to her Husband Dexter's narrative. I wonder who that lady is sitting to the left side of Dexter? But of course that was then and this is now...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3083/2835317265_886ced1a8c_m.jpg

Why isn't Hillary attacking Palin? Palin has been quoted as saying Hillary is whiney; and Palin supposedly said "Sambo beat the bitch!"

Hillary went after Obama with everything but the kitchen sink and now she is going to play nice? So far no one in the Democratic party has had much to say about Palin. So let her keep throwing this s**t and most of it will certainly stick. The Democrats just don't know how to fight. I did think Hillary would be the one to take on Palin but apparently Hillary prefers to stay silent and let Palin have her way.

So Sarah Crocodile isn't going to be grilled by our intrepid liberal media. Oh well. Just as well for them, she would probably tear the heads off and devour them on camera.

Besides, the American people don't want facts.

Do you think the public will notice the McCain is hiding Palin from the media?

Axelrod is doing a miserable job on FnS. :(

We will have to excuse Sarah Palin from any interviews from now on I'm afraid. She is attending an extensive tutoring sessions on foreign policy and other critical issues. She has a lot of catching up to do. Here is a sample quiz question with her answer:

Who is the leader of North Korea?

Palin: Ummm, Jackie Chan?

Tom Brokaw is such a tool. Does anyone think that his questions to Biden came close to being an "interview"? It was basically one accusation after another, one attempt at setting up a gotcha situation after another, one "but a year ago YOU said (something that doesn't actually contradict a previous statement)" after another. Biden did really well considering this was 100% negative against the Democratic ticket. 100%.

Sarah Vowell has a good piece in the Times today,,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07vowell.html?ref=opinion

i think you have to be registered to read it. its free..

Something I'm waiting for someone to bring up: in those 20 months she was governor, how many DAYS did she actually work?

They only meet 60 days a year.

PS: Wallace is doing a better job of going after David than Axelrod did against McCain. (clip worthy)

The republican pigs are bathtub with the water when it comes to truth. Anything to build up the Palin/McMain ticket. The local republican rag that imitates as a daily newspaper right here a few miles from Colorado Springs has inflated the number of idiots who turned out to oogle the celebrity hockey-mom turned potentially number two-in-command of one of the most powerful nations on earth. Everyone else is reporting 12,000. The rag upped it a few to 15,000. Which looks better to the gullible?

36 Mugsy Says: Something I’m waiting for someone to bring up: in those 20 months she was governor, how many DAYS did she actually work?

They only meet 60 days a year.

PS: Wallace is doing a better job of going after David than Axelrod did against McCain. (clip worthy)

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Not to mention a Mayor of a town of 5200 is normally a side job. Our Mayor is for a town of 29000 and he also has a full time job as a high school teacher.

Davis: They're (Obama/Biden) trying to play "victim".

I would love for them to ask this question:

Wallace: The town that Palin was the Mayor of, is the meth capital of Alaska and has the highest rate of child abuse in the state. How is she going to be the advocate for everyones children in DC, like she claims she is going to be, if her city of less than 6,000 was out of control?

Forrestal Gump @ 17:

Sarah can't make it. Alaska First.

"Church" first?

I'd hate to say it, but Brit Hume might actually of had some good advice for Obama:

"Talking about Sarah Palin doesn't help them. It only brings up the 'experience' issue. They should just ignore her."

Palin really is just an asterisk. Let others like Hillary go after Palin (which I'm still waiting for).

46 fastfeat Says: Forrestal Gump @ 17:

Sarah can’t make it. Alaska First.

“Church” first?

re: about running for VP would you consider it

"....well if it benefits Alaska...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006axc2aELE

Some that had that Alaska first motto into their head would say something like that.

I'm dissapointed in what I'm hearing on the shows today. I thought the issue for the weekend should be not so much about Palin per se but rather about McCain's judgement in picking her. The quote of the week (something that needs repeated by somebody on the talk shows today) came from Andrew Sullivan, in TheAtlantic.com:

"John McCain has demonstrated with this insane decision that he is unfit to be president of the United States. This was an act of near-criminal negligence. If he can behave this recklessly and impulsively with this decision, the idea of allowing him to become president of the United States is only a smidgen less terrifying than thinking of Palin in that position. Whatever few doubts I may once have still had about this election, they are resolved now. Obama has to win. The alternative is unthinkable."

Mugsy @ 48:

I'd hate to say it, but Brit Hume might actually of had some good advice for Obama:

"Talking about Sarah Palin doesn't help them. It only brings up the 'experience' issue. They should just ignore her."

Palin really is just an asterisk. Let others like Hillary go after Palin (which I'm still waiting for).

Agreed. If ever there were a role tailor-made for Hillary in the Obama campaign, it would be to decimate Palin.

Mugsy @ 53:

Juan Williams seems to have grown a spin this morning on FnS, going hard after Kristol and Hume in some of the mostal exchanges they've ever had on the show.

Uh, make that "spine", not spin. :)

Rico@52

I queried this a.m. on another thread when I couldn't sleep:

Some are calling the ticket Palin/McCain. In other words, the judgment of McCain that should be the focus of critical inquiry, is non-existent. He doesn’t even call the shots in his own campaign. How in the world do you call into question a non sequitur?

On some of the few clips FnS has shown of Palin, it was of her saying, "There's oonly one candidate in this campaign that has actually fought for you..."

Uh, John Kerry? Oops, wrong election. I seem to remember that didn't matte to them in '04.

Rico @ 59:

#57's request for link:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/george-w-palin.html

Thanks Rico.

Rumsfeld@61

Thank you for sharing!

Excuse me if this is off topic. It's a developing issue that should be a subject for the talking heads this morning, but probably won't.

Fidel Castro has compared effects of Hurricane Gustav on western Cuba to a nuclear explosion. He describes a serious nationwide food and housing shortage, and says Cuba needs $3 - 4B in food and relief supplies. There were few or no deaths in Cuba due to effective civil defense preparations and evacuations, but there is widespread property and crop destruction.

The Cuban government has requested temporary suspension of the longstanding US travel and trade embargo. In response, the Bush administration has offered the insignificant amount of $100,000 in food and supplies, to be coordinated through relief organizations. Apparently, the offer was calculated to create news headlines indicating that aid was offered, on the assumption that few would read far enough to realize how small the amount. Cuba has rejected the token offer, and requested to be allowed to purchase food and relief supplies from commercial suppliers in the US, based on cash and private commercial credit, rather than a grant. Bush has so far refused to consider the request.

Many will recall that Cuba repeatedly offered and prepared to send medical supplies, including almost 1,600 physicians, to assist New Orleans residents in 2005, after Katrina. That offer was rejected by Bush, even as the US supplied little effective help to residents of the city and region.

At this moment, the eye of category 4 Hurricane Ike is passing over the island of Great Inagua (Bahamas). The storm is expected to strengthen and move to the west, passing along almost the entire island of Cuba, before entering the Gulf of Mexico.

If Ike continues on the predicted track, much of Cuba, including Havana, will be damaged or devastated by tomorrow.

How will the US respond to this potential humanitarian crisis in Cuba? Will any significant amount of aid be offered or permitted, in any form? Will Cuba be allowed to purchase food and supplies from US companies? Will Americans with family members in Cuba be allowed to send remittances, or travel to assist them? What would the candidates consider to be an appropriate response?

Brokaw is doing his typical Rethug-leaning questioning on Biden:

--bringing up the "success" of the splurge

--why won't Obama do town hall meetings?

Tool.

Biden is doing a good job of tearing down the "Surge Myth":

"We could send in 500,000 soldiers and tamp down the violence tomorrow. But that wouldn't result in Iraq government reconciliation." (quote may not be exact)

fastfeat @ 69:

Brokaw is doing his typical Rethug-leaning questioning on Biden:

--bringing up the "success" of the splurge

--why won't Obama do town hall meetings?

Tool.

You're kidding? WTF does Brokaw think the 2nd debate format is? He's the one moderating it. Wanker.

Biden's pretty much the best on these Sunday talk shows. I hope he's smacking Brokaw, McCain and the Republicans.

Is he?

I think Biden handled Brokaw as smooth as silk.

McCain picked Palin to draw people to his events. When Obama refused to do the silly town hall meetings, picking a side show person like Palin was all McCain could do if he wanted people to turn out to hear him.

Obama handled Geo. stepono.............. well. The funniest part was when george brought up Palin's foreign policy knowledge and the proximity of Alaska to Russia. Obama gave his response and it was laugh out loud funny.

pissed off patricia @ 79:

Obama handled Geo. stepono.............. well. The funniest part was when george brought up Palin's foreign policy knowledge and the proximity of Alaska to Russia. Obama gave his response and it was laugh out loud funny.

I think you're gonna see that little slip-up in the news though, where he corrected "the questioning of my Muslim faith". Everyone knows what he meant by it, but the fact that he tripped up a bit won't do him any favours.

Overall though, it was standard fare for Obama: super-cool, he wears his platform like a second skin, and exceptionally well-prepared. And I have to say, I don't remember the last time I heard a politician give as much detail, nuance, directness and transparency in their answers than both Obama and Biden. It's second nature for them to give more than the bare minimum.

Bailing out Freddie mae and fannie mac should be at the top of the discussion. This is out of control theft from us people. Our current debt is 5 trillion. These two institutions have 6 trillion in debt. Overnight we will double our national debt.

You say they are backed by property? If that property were worth even close to 6 trillion, we wouldn't be in a crisis.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=835801384&play=1

Long discussion on cnbc but this guy takes on the cnbc bail them all out bias and has some very important points at about 7:11 into the video and onward.

How long are the media spokesmen going to let Rick Davis tell them Palin won't be available to talk to til the RNC is good and ready??? Rick Davis would be the first to scream the media is biased if the Democrats did this. Hell the repugs already are saying the media is biased. The American voters are being played for fools.....again. We have a right to know all about someone who could be stepping into the second highest job in the U.S.A. What are they hiding? If she isn't ready, she isn't ready. Let us judge.

Mugsy @ 78:

Scheiffer to McCain: "I know a lot of people that think being a Community Organizer is a great thing to do."

McCain: "It was a reaction to her[palin's] denigration of her role as a mayor." (and called Obama's service "nobel".)

Not many people may have caught this, but I saw Bob Sheiffer grinning like an idiot during Palin's convention speech. I mean, it was blatantly obvious he was lapping up every minute. Did he honestly think not one camera would catch it.

After Sheiffer's fake-outrage over Wes Clark's comments about McCain, his Republican bias is in no doubt. And he's moderating one of the debates???

Tom McBush is a petty McBush with Biden, trying very hard to entrap him - Joe kicks his flunkey butt back.

Biden is very good. Palin did not accept the NBC's invitation. She is in undisclosed location.

Joe Klein (on Tweety):

"McCain has turned into a flaming Neo-conservative."

Much like his jets turned into flaming heaps of twisted metal.

Steph-O repeated the falsehood that "15 of 18 [Iraqi] political benchmarks have been met."

No, "PROGRESS" has been made on 15 of 18. That's a FAR cry from being "met".

Obama missed that opportunity.

I am so depressed after watching Biden this morning. Someone please tell me I'm dead wrong that his complimenting Palin and his refusal to quickly point out the obvious problems with her acceptance speech didn't make him look weak, passive, and not hungry to win. I was instantly reminded of the Lieberman's 8 years ago. I fear he's been cowed by all the hype that he has to be careful how he handles her. HELP!!!

Freddy Knuckles @ 94:

Their plan is to keep her away from the press as much as possible until November 5th. They know she'd never be able to handle it. And of course, the American people will be okay with it and most likely vote for her anyway.

"I like her glasses. I think I'll vote for her." That's the average American voter.

Usually that formula works, but this election may be the turning point when a slim majority repeals it

Regarding the nonsense-point that Obama "hasn't voted against his own Party enough".

Uh, why would he want to vote AGAINST the Party that votes AGAINST George Bush???

Mugsy @ 99:

Regarding the nonsense-point that Obama "hasn't voted against his own Party enough".

Uh, why would he want to vote AGAINST the Party that votes AGAINST George Bush???

That had to be one of, if not the, stupiest things said on tv today. Obama's party isn't the one that fu*ked up the last eight years. He's not running from his party, he's running with it.

PorridgeGun @ 81:

Some data from today's Rasmussen tracker:

McCain earns the vote from 89% of Republicans while Obama is supported by 81% of Democrats. McCain also manages to attract 15% of Democrats while Obama gets 9% of the Republican vote. Voters not affiliated with either major party remain fairly evenly divided between the two men.

McCain leads by seven points among men while Obama leads by six among women. On Tuesday, when Obama’s lead peaked, he had a fourteen point advantage among women.

Forty-two percent (42%) of voters say that economic issues are most important this year and Obama holds a 34-point advantage among these voters.

Whoever these democrats are, they need to get a grip and realise how insane McCain and Palin are. This Republican ticket is a Neocon/Evangelical wet dream. If the Dem base was locked up, Obama would be looking at a landslide right now.

How ANY Democrat can support McGramps and Moosegirl is simply beyond me.

pissed off patricia @ 99:

Norwood Woman @ 95:

I am so depressed after watching Biden this morning. Someone please tell me I'm dead wrong that his complimenting Palin and his refusal to quickly point out the obvious problems with her acceptance speech didn't make him look weak, passive, and not hungry to win. I was instantly reminded of the Lieberman's 8 years ago. I fear he's been cowed by all the hype that he has to be careful how he handles her. HELP!!!

He was being a gentleman, that's all. He had some great answers about debating a strong woman. He says he does it every day in the Senate. Basically he said that he felt no threat from Sarah and she isn't the only strong woman in the world. Don't worry about Bidden, he knows what he's doing.

Agreed. I thought Biden handled himself very well, even on the questioning about accepting donations from the credit card company (MNBC?) and the fact that his son works for that company.

Norwood Woman @ 94:

I am so depressed after watching Biden this morning. Someone please tell me I'm dead wrong that his complimenting Palin and his refusal to quickly point out the obvious problems with her acceptance speech didn't make him look weak, passive, and not hungry to win. I was instantly reminded of the Lieberman's 8 years ago. I fear he's been cowed by all the hype that he has to be careful how he handles her. HELP!!!

Perhaps he will come to the conclusion that Americans want the truth, and that he has to say it about her in the debates.

She is a smiling beauty queen who will appeal to emotional issues, Joe needs to stick to his expertise and speak about policy, whats wrong with America and the direction we are in.

The wildcard, as always, is whether or not the questions center on real issues or patriotic clap trap and distraction from all the crisis's we face in the world, and in this country.

President Moosegirl hard hitting questioning?

TrePorcellini @ 88:

Tom McBush is a petty McBush with Biden, trying very hard to entrap him - Joe kicks his flunkey butt back.

Biden is very good. Palin did not accept the NBC's invitation. She is in undisclosed location.

Shooting brown people with Darth Cheney?

I never watch the bobble head crowd, I just cannot stand that much bullshit.
As I was looking for something to watch I came across blitzer and kyle. I listened to the double talk and bullshit for about two minutes before I got sick.
I don't know what will happen to this country if we let these idiot republicans have control again.
I think it will be the end of America!

WTF is up with barack and biden? first barack says the surge succeeded beyond wildest dreams, then biden very complacently calls palin a smart, tough politician? have these guys been drugged? what the hell is so smart about wanting creationism taught in schools? wtf is so smart about not believing human activity contributes to global warming? and the mf is so smart about not believing in sex ed, despite your own daughter not being able to control her reproductive system. Woodward, in his new book, even says the surge was overblown as a contributing factor in the decreased violence. If these guys don't get their heads out their arses we are going to lose. biden keeps saying the voters will decide on the issues. is he nuts? if that were the case, president gore would have been succeeded by president kerry. americans don't respond to issues, they respond to emotion and aggressive argumentation. i hope these guys wake up and start hitting back.

All I want is a room somewhere
Far away from the cold night air
With one enormous safe
Oh, wouldn't it be loverly?

..ahem.. as i was saying.... mccain has contradicted himself so much, the hardest thing for obama to do is to figure out which mccain is on stage with him.. maybe mcsenile should debate mcbushsuckup and the winner debate obama.
{Sorry rick, my bad. I didn't mean to offend you.Mea Culpa.SiteMonitor}

How convenient that Palin is absent, indeed.
You know they must have her hooked up to some sort of Rethuglican talking point version of the fucking Rosetta Stone tapes right now to prepare her for actually having to.. you know, actually answer questions and stuff..

Sara Palin not appearing on the talk show circuit is truly telling ;by saying she's ready for the vice presidency but not ready for media scrutiny.

rickstreet @ 116:

WTF is up with barack and biden? first barack says the surge succeeded beyond wildest dreams, then biden very complacently calls palin a smart, tough politician? have these guys been drugged? what the hell is so smart about wanting creationism taught in schools? wtf is so smart about not believing human activity contributes to global warming? and the mf is so smart about not believing in sex ed, despite your own daughter not being able to control her reproductive system. Woodward, in his new book, even says the surge was overblown as a contributing factor in the decreased violence. If these guys don't get their heads out their arses we are going to lose. biden keeps saying the voters will decide on the issues. is he nuts? if that were the case, president gore would have been succeeded by president kerry. americans don't respond to issues, they respond to emotion and aggressive argumentation. i hope these guys wake up and start hitting back.

Amen. This "above the fray" politeness on the part of Dems has been shown to be a losing proposition.

wow a lot of people in here are slamming Palin. Wonder why that is? Intimidated? Fear?

Calm down everyone....the election day will be soon enough

Norwood Woman @ 96:

I am so depressed after watching Biden this morning. Someone please tell me I'm dead wrong that his complimenting Palin and his refusal to quickly point out the obvious problems with her acceptance speech didn't make him look weak, passive, and not hungry to win. I was instantly reminded of the Lieberman's 8 years ago. I fear he's been cowed by all the hype that he has to be careful how he handles her. HELP!!!

I agree 100%. How could he say palin is "smart"? biden seemed very complacent, not at all aggressive in pointing out the issues. As i mention in another post, biden seems to think that the voters will sort it out. it ain't gonna happen. that's the kind of thinking that lost the 2000 and 2004 elections.

rick street @ 133:

cg @ 131:

brenda @ 130:

wow a lot of people in here are slamming Palin. Wonder why that is? Intimidated? Fear?

My guess would be because she's an empty skirt, and has within her first 72 hours of exposure revealed herself to be a serial liar, a hard-liner, and apparently not up-to-speed enough on the big issues to hit the media circuit until she gets fed her talking points. Seems like there's a lot to slam there, but maybe it's just me.

...and yes, i am afraid. afraid of our highest elected offices being turned into beauty pageants. afraid of entering into another dark age of superstition and anti-scientific dogma. afraid of losing our competitive edge because of religious wingnuts taking over public policy and school boards. afraid of losing the middle class because of policy favoring the rich. afraid of .... oh hell, what's the use.

...AND...afraid of a neo-fascist stacked supreme court taking away our constitutional rights. damn right i'm afraid, scared to death.