Hillary Clinton in Florida: No way, No McCain, No Palin!
By John Amato Sunday Sep 07, 2008 1:59pm
Hillary Clinton was down in Florida country stumping for Obama. She made the strong case that Obama/Biden need to lead this country. plain and simple.
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Hillary: 'I don't think the choice could be any clearer....
If we want to restore American leadership. If we want to restore the American standard of living. If we want to tackle the myriad of challenges facing this country---then slightly amend my comments from Denver. No way, no McCain, no Palin!
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Country stumps.
Wasn't she the one that said McCain is a fine fellow and ready to be Commander in Chief on day one, but that Obama wasn't?
Just asking.
I wonder what John Arovosis has to say about this. Probably his usual "just go away" comment. Anti Hillary people make no sense. They want her to go away but when the chips are down then it's "Oh my God!" we need her.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:
That was when she had a chance, to get the nomination. After retrospect, she was wrong however seeing as McCain's whole campaign depends on theft, POW, the Crazy Christian C*nt and smear.
Clinton's seen the light and I want to see her rip Palin limb from limb (Figuratively speaking)
Because I'm from a red state, I received a solicitation for a donation from the McCain campaign and sent it back, "no way, no how, no McCain." At least they had to spend a few cents to get the message from me.
[Deleted. Amato doesn't stomp on anything around here. I do. And your posts have to go through me before they hit the board, Toronto George-Sitemonitor]
Bud @ 3:
It is nice to see her get back on track after all that messy campaign stuff.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:
we need the exact quote but your correct she did use that strategy....it's an easy strategy and target.....
looks like it didn't work..so NOT everything hillary says is correct.
i would like to ask hillary if palin is ready to be commander in chief in a mccain presidency scenario
were he is unable to serve as soon as let's say March/09? what do think is she ready now heart beat away?
Jusker @ 5:
Did you attach the envelope to a cement block first?
That ought to show Half-Baked Alaska and little nobody Palin that she won't be getting any Clinton votes for Grand-Pa.
It's about time!!!! Thank you Hillary.
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Why do Democrats insist on playing "Follow the Leader" when they should be insisting on "Following the Rule of Law"?
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No high roads from now on. Attack, stay on the attack and take no prisoners.
Otherwise we have just given the next 2-3 Supremes to James Dobson. End of story.
Jusker @ 5:
That's good. I read a post from someone who sent back something like 6 pennies. Cost their campaign 75cents. Think is was daily kos.
Been hearing all mornign that HRC wasn't going to attack Palin. While sure I want stronger and tougher (always do), the Oh Look How Our Side Sucks panic button won't help us win.
She (Clinton)should have slammed Palin from day 1(convention)she-palin is a psyco redneck
I'm glad Hillary is so committed to being a team player. I also feel that Obama and Biden need to deal with Palin directly as well and not merely through proxies.
Though they might be concerned that the perception will be that they're picking on the female candidate, they need to address Palin's unsuitability for VP in a manner that shows they are applying standards fairly and consistently (something totally missing from the gopper narrative).
Who cares what the washout has to say about anything. With the ousting of Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews this country has made a nice statement that it's had enough of the fringe lunatics of the left.
Bud @ 3:
So, is she a committed Democrat or not? Would she rather have a democrat for President or republican as she tries to get universal healthcare, I mean that is what she wants right?
I suspect the big news story coming out of this will be "Bill Clinton still refuses to campaign for Obama."
Every time Hillary speaks it just makes it clearer & clearer that wrong person is is running. And after BO loses it will be crystal. Get ready for reality...for it's a commin'.
Need to get the heavy hitters out there like Clinton and Gore full time....hit them on women's issues, hit them on the environment, hit them on how bad the economy is now, hit them on the going to war in Iraq in the first place issue, the issue that got us into the mess we have been in. Bush got us into that war, and ever since he did, we have taken our eyes off of Afghanistan; we have taken out eyes off of the economy.
Now McCain has suceeded in getting the attention on Palin....first thing I saw in the upper right hand corner of Yahoo News this morning was an ABC video of Sarah Palin and her fashion statement....her eyeglasses. Jesus H. Christ. Is that what the Republicans want? It's like Bush said after 9-11, go shopping, go on vacation, and now that "left wing media bias" has people talking about Palin's eyeglasses. Give me a break.
McCain will get us into another war sooner or later, if Bush doesn't attack Iran before he leaves office....I just saw a RAWSTORY article about "Iran nuclear reactor launch irreversible before February." I'll bet $100 Bush attacks.
Bud @ 3:
different argument.....the RED team would like your simple approach to explaining this issue.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:
I wasn't a Hillary supporter during the primaries, but I'll say this: many of my friends were--and Hillary supporters are smart. They know policy because their candidate encouraged them to know policy. They have their priorities, they know why, and they can articulate them. (And they encouraged many Obama supporters to become more eloquent as the campaign went along.)
Hillary supporters have, in my experience, *never* been fooled by what Palin represents. Palin's world-view is 180 degrees opposed to Sen. Clinton's. Hillary supporters know what's at stake--their well-being and that of their families. There was never a real play being made for their support by McCain--that was all McCain campaign-fueled media intrigue. It was always about shoring up his base.
If the media ever really starts asking Palin questions, she's toast among Independents. Will they? That's all I wonder.
Lethalstorm @ 16:
And we, reich-wing lunatic, don't care what YOU have to say about anything.
I imagine when Palin brought up Hillary's name in that first or second address she made, it got Hillary pissed. It sure as hell should have.
Hillary worked her way up the ladder, Palin just simply got a boost up the ladder from McCain's campaign and we wise ass way of speaking.
I'm telling you, my 80 year old female neighbor across the street, who has had three strokes, is smarter and more able to make informed wise decisions than Palin will ever be.
We need to paint Palin as as a dangerous extremist
Scare the voters.. remember the terror alerts?.
She wants to outlaw ALL abortion even in the case of rape and incest. She doesn't believe in global warming and supports big oil.
The Iraq war is a mission from God and on and on and.....
Use fear just like the Repugs did.,..The inexperience card won't work unless she makes major gaffes.
shaggles @ 18:
Not so. They're meeting on Thursday. Read in it the WaPo this a.m.
By not selecting Hillary for VP, the republicans seized the rare opportunity of vulnerability and appointed Palin. Now we have to waste all of our time and money attacking her. This all could have been avoided. The Hillary/Palin VP debate would have been the highest rated show on tv. But alas, ego. Nevertheless, Clinton on the stump is a great help.
Jack @ 19:
Why? Because Hillary is a woman and Barack is black?
Americah, FUCK YEAH!
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:
What your point idiot! Look at her words now. People like you are willing to to look at Palins words now and you start falling all over yourselves. All of a sudden McCains a new republican and you willing swallow the shit without nary a gag. Disgusting.
One more thing, she's a traitor and supports a secessionist group.
BigIslandDave @ 23:
Well, I did wonder if "Lethalstorm" was anything like "Operation Chaos"......
Jack @ 19:
You're right: John McCain isn't really a very good candidate. Sad, actually.
Janet @ 30:
yeah...let's hear about that Alaska Independence Party
This is all very nice, but why aren't the Dems pointing out that Palin is a big fat liar? You want a wedge issue that works for our side? Here it is: The Republicans think the American People are too stupid to know when they're being lied too. The Republicans are playing us for suckers. They're laughing at us behind our backs. When it comes to pork, Sarah Palin is Petunia Pig. If you want a president who has contempt for your intelligence then vote for John McCain, because that's what you're going to get.
Simple, no? And if the Republicans complain ask them why Palin claims she's against pork when she actually supported the bridge to nowhere and kept the money appropriated for it after it was shot down.
I have heard that Palin has some unsavory views on race...
I hope that some of her more colorful comments are caught on tape somewhere.
While the Democrats win the argument for my vote hands down. I do think you need some nice AV clips that can help people understand that McCain/Palin is not just wrong on the issues... but that they are a bit screwy in their thinking.
(yawn)
Now and then I think Barack made a mistake not putting Hillary on the ticket with him. I wonder how much the spectre of Big Dog was a factor in his decision.
Mark Groubert @ 27:
It's a chess match. If Obama had chose Clinton, both the press and McCain would have jumped all over her earlier negative comments about him--the press would have run her "gunfire in Bosnia" stuff 24 hrs. a day. And McCain would have picked a different person to shore up the base.
If, if, if...the fact is, our choice is clear. We can either work our asses off to try to secure what the country SHOULD be about, or we can concede defeat. And yes, Clinton on the stump is a great help. We'll take it.
I think a Obama-Clinton ticket wouldn't have worked. The GOP would be hitting Clinton really hard. The only reason they didn't go after her was because they hoped to face her in the general election.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:
I think so. but that was before McCain started showing obvious signs of alzheimers. or dementia. and before he nominated Sarah Palin.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
a bitter confused very old combat veteran. and a petty control freak ex beauty queen.
its like voting for Crazy.
Palin is a religious extremist of the worst kind:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_church_Alaska_refuge_for_Armageddon_...
Now the right wing kooks will point out Obama's association with Wright; however, 1)he has denounced Reverend Wright, and even after he did, questions from the right still remain; 2)I don't recall any videos of Obama actually speaking at his church and making comments about how it is 'God's plan to attack Iraq'; 3)Sounds like Palin "grew up" in this church...she's likely much more engrained in their extremist views; 4)The religious right wants to take away rights we already have.
This woman is dangerous.
Where are the other women democrats? Hilary needs to be out there more and be more forceful than this line of No Way, No McCain-Palin-it is weak. Why don't they call McCain/Palin about that small town values and used it against them? Like saying that small town people I know and their values does not involved lying about your opponent to score political points with the uninformed people. Small town people are not liars and it seemed that my opponents are lying all the time about me. Use their own tactics. Enough with being nice. Obviously being nice to your opponent is not working with the American people.
Yet another way to link the Bush admin. to the McCain/Palin ticket: Both parties think the Iraq war was commissioned by God.
Lethalstorm @ 16:
Yeah right. O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage are moderates in your "normal" world.
You go Hillary!! I don't understand how this election can be even close. I haven't heard one thing the repubs will do to fix anything. Completely boggles my mind that anyone except the fringe loonies are even considering mccain.
constituent @ 33:
Don't forget
1. It's ok to teach creationism in school
2. For the bridge to nowhere, actually campaigned on it, until it became politically unpopular
3. Abstinence only education
4. Highest federal ear marks per capita at approx $506 (national average around $52) Also, in 2002 the per capita in wasilla was around $1,000
5. Troopergate
Her religious views, no matter how extreme, won't matter. Because she is of the base.... they approve of that kind of crazy. Hard right Christian extremism, even the kind that attacks the US government and preaches hate, is considered safe on that side of the fence.
Now if her preacher were talking militant stuff about how gay people are OK or war is evil... then you'd have a scandal on your hands.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9620_sarah_palin_se...
WHOA! So now Todd is the Co-Governer?
fuck religion! it makes people stupid.
Lilybelle @ 13:
I always rip up my credit card solicitations, stuff them back in the postage paid envelope, with a short note about the bankruptcy bill, along with a couple of pieces of cardboard. I don't get too many of those anymore.
I just got off lunch but had an interesting conversation with a young lady that was in my office to practice GED. When I noticed she was 18, I asked her if she was registered. She registered when she got her driver's license. After she completed her work, while walking outside, I asked her why she said she was still uncertain who she would vote for president.
She said she was watching the conventions, all of them because her grandparents have been telling her and her cousins that they need to register and vote. When I asked why she was till ambivalent about who she would vote for she said she was leaning toward Obama but was concerned because he was going to raise taxes on the middle class. I reminded her that a study came out and it indicated that this community has the lowest median income of Colorado at $49.500.00. I told her that based on that fact, the only way anyone in this city can start to help themselves is learn first that what she believes that Obama will raise our taxes is a big fat republican lie. I then explained to her how they are trying to make people like her believe in their lies, that Sara Palin started off with a lie as it relates to earmarks and the bridge to nowhere, and that anyone with her surname is not really welcome in the republican party.
After her conversation she said, "Gee! You have explained it like no one ever has to her and you should go to the schools to do that." She promised that she would talk to all her relatives because most of them were thinking like she was until I explained the republican lies.
The republican lie that Obama wants to tax the middle class needs to be confronted whenever it rears its ugly head!
We are being inundated with McCain ads down here in south Florida right now. Today I saw the first McCain/Palin ad. It clearly says she was against the bridge to nowhere. That's just an out and out lie. It's picking words that they want to use without telling the truth.
I'm thinking Palin is the new shiny thing for a lot of republicans who haven't paid much attention to anything since McCain got the nomination. I'm guessing and hoping that her popularity is just a flash in the pan.
For some reason they seem to like a woman who acts like a man. A woman who hunts, kills and guts animals must appeal to some part of our population. I'm not in that part of the population and thank goodness, I don't know anyone who is.
25 Janet says.......We need to paint Palin as as a dangerous extremist
Scare the voters.. remember the terror alerts?.
She wants to outlaw ALL abortion even in the case of rape and incest.......
Incest is probably a way of life for Palin's own family. At least in Europe, studies have shown that Downs Syndrome comes from incest and this genetic abnormality can show up for as many as eight generations.
BT @ 39:
I don't know if Obama-Clinton would have worked or not. I would have liked it, but I also like Obama-Biden. Repugs absolutely hate Hillary. They hate the Clintons period.
No use right now questioning if Clinton should have been the pick....got to keep fighting.
All weekend, I was putting comments on YouTube and various newspapers blogs, getting our point of view out there....Nothing nasty, no name-calling, just something we're passionate about....like wanting to have a President who isn't prone to going to war.
Yahoo News has a "Most Popular" segment. For about 4 or more straight days, I kept on seeing one particular article from a guy at Politico.com. It was pointing out all the reasons to NOT vote for Obama. I think it is pretty rare to have a story on Yahoo News's "most popular" segment for that long.....I bet Repugs kept looking at it over and over and over again to keep it on that "most popular" segment.
Hieronymus Braintree @ 34:
We need keep repeating it. The republicans trying to snowball us are all liars, pathological as well as bald faced liars.
BT @ 39:
Exactly!
I do think that McCain and Palin seem unstable... so if you can ask them questions off the script... there is a good chance that we might end up with a full-on nervous breakdown in front of the cameras.
Both are curiously thin-skinned and prone to anger. Neither qualities are good in a leader. So, I think if we keep the pressure on them... there is a good chance that they might self destruct on their own.
And if they don't, it is better for Obama-Biden to force McCain-Pail to play under pressure.
bert @ 10:
Brokaw asked Biden about the Clintons. He replied that Hillary and Bill were getting ready to campaign with the Obama/Biden campaign.
Contrast Hillary's speech with Palin. Palin is pathetic. She won't take interviews, she won't even take questions from the audience. Sounds more and more like they are going to plant people at her events, like they did with George.
This whole polling thing has be rather suspicious. With the jobless rates report, how in the world could it be possible that people (even stupid people, as some of you point out) could not wake up and smell the coffee. People who would rather be hypnotized by catch-phrases and one-liners from the GOP rather that facing the real and terrifying facts of this administration and the one that promises not only more of the same but worse.
Centrocitta @ 53:
Oh, stop it. That is not the way to win any intelligent voters. Just stop.
Fanon @ 59:
Yeah...The GOP would never stoop to bringing up illegitimate children or call people unpatriotic...or....
Left&Left @ 44:
And it's not as if they have been "ousted"....just not on the political reporting part.
And to call Hillary names and imply that she's a lunatic left....just goes to show you that repugs love name calling.
Hannity, Limbaugh, and Savage have the top 3 radio shows in this country....they yell and scream and spread hate and lies....is this what you really want this country to be all about??? If these 3 jerks represent America, then, yes, I do hate America because I hate yelling, screaming, hateful, racist pigs.
I look forward to both Clinton's campaigning on behalf of the Democratic Party.
shaggles @ 18:
He's already committed to campaigning. It was reported yesterday.
It is also in Hillary's (and Bill's) best interest for them to campaign for Obama. Hillary does not want to run against Palin in 2012. Imagine the circus. Talk about the issues not mattering. Ms. Armegeddon vs. Hillary?
Obama should have Hill, Bill and Gore stomping all over the country for him. The Republicans have no one to match our star power. They want to hide Bush and Cheney away so voters won't remember the last 8 years.
JESUS was a community orgainzer. Pontious Pilot was a governer!
Brad @ 8:
Did you include a little of the white powder like some democrats received a while back?
I think they called it "amtrax" or something like that.
Liberal AND Proud @ 60:
Really? I don't think that's quite the same. That's not what I'm talking about. I am talking about insinuating that Down's babies are a result of incest. Plenty of Independent and Democractic voter's out there with children like that.
I don't know, if you want to roll that way L&P, go for it. I will continue to call bullshit when I see it.
i wonder what hillary would say about palin's connection
with alaska independence party watch this video 1:30 min. very short but very good listen to party chairman
recognize palin as past member of party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Re0vmbtHK8
J DeBartolo @ 65:
Bush was a governor as well....for 2 terms!
hopefulvoter @ 42:
Agreed. And Hillary has to come out swinging harder than this. That "No way" slogan is good in its own right, but it will get trite and tiresome fairly soon. What needs to be trumpeted from the rooftops is Palin's EXTREME views, her hypocrisy, her lying, her ruthlessless, her mendacity, her ... well, everything. The record is there; expose it.
She's a clear and present danger.
Embittered-Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1 @ 11:
Because Americans are notoriously stupid people who claim they want to be rugged or independent, but want to leech as much as possible. Why think when you can have someone else do it?
BigIslandDave @ 23:
Dumb ass. Hear yourself. Rachel Maddow's show premieres tonight. And your point is?
Fanon @ 59:
Just tell the truth. Palin is a liar. McCain is a liar. The republican hierarchy is filled with liars. Rove is the most disguting liar of them all.
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Centrocitta @ 53:
25 Janet says…….We need to paint Palin as as a dangerous extremist
Scare the voters.. remember the terror alerts?.
She wants to outlaw ALL abortion even in the case of rape and incest…….
Incest is probably a way of life for Palin’s own family. At least in Europe, studies have shown that Downs Syndrome comes from incest and this genetic abnormality can show up for as many as eight generations.
Oh, stop it. That is not the way to win any intelligent voters. Just stop.......
Sorry friend, but Half-Baked Alaska and Little Miss Nobody Palin is fair game.
Go Hillary
Pound in their heads if you need too
I can see the first signs that Americans mess up another election believing McCain/Palin are different than Bush/Cheney.
I have a newsflash, They are worse, much worse and to think McCain close to that Button is unthinkable to me.
chicano2nd @ 29:
I am a socialist, what is YOUR point.
I have no use for Democrats or Republicans. What are you?
BT @ 39:
Yup-yup.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 76:
Progressive!
Can't wait for an open thread:
PLEASE read this and donate!
http://www.gregpalast.com/obama-doesn%E2%80%99t-sweat-he-should/
C&L, please pick up this story. Becasue if this stuff is really happening (again), none of the other things will matter. Thanks.
Damien Duff @ 64:
This is why the Republicans are fawning all over Palin: She's their celebrity.
Dale @ 79:
They did the same thing with Arnold.
constituent @ 68:
check this out
Hopefully, this is just the beginning and HRC gets more agressive as times goes on.
bert @ 49:
Too true!
chicano2nd @ 78:
Oh really, then apologize to me for your language and prove that you are a progressive.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 76:
Horny.
The Clintons are citizens of this country too and I don't think they, putting all politics aside, want out country to face four more years like the last eight. If we can see what a disaster Palin is, you know damned well they can too. They probably know and respect McCain but again, they know our country can't take four more years of wars and destruction.
Funny, all along I feared McCain winning the election for all the obvious reasons, but when he chose Palin, a whole new fear erupted. My fear that a woman of her caliber could be the first vice president of the United States, is so damned disappointing. We have so many better women in this country and what do we get in her? We get a cartoon character with the weirdest beliefs imaginable. Every woman in this country should be resentful and mad as hell. This woman is not the best our country has to offer. She is no example of what women can do. This is a woman who displays being female in the worst sort of way.
pissed off patricia @ 52:
The Dems need to run ads with Sarah's Jews for Jesus sermon (from Democracy Now!):
Meanwhile, the National Jewish Democratic Council has criticized Palin as being a “poor choice” to be vice president. The group described Palin to be “totally out of step with Jewish public opinion.” Just weeks before McCain tapped her to be his running mate, the executive director of Jews for Jesus, David Brickner, spoke at Palin’s church and blamed Middle East violence in part on Israeli Jews who didn’t accept Jesus. A spokesperson for McCain said that Palin attended the sermon but that she did not share his views.
Hillary Clinton's speech was solely responsible for Obama's mid-convention 8 point lead over McCain. Even Bill Clinton's speech didn't add to it. After Obama gave his speech, his lead over McCain began to fade and has by now faded into negative territory.
Barry and his Obots had better start featuring Hillary Clinton at the beginning and at the end of every campaign speech Obama makes between now and November 4th. They might want to substitute her for Barry at all the debates, too.
Guess those 352 Washington insider Democratic superdelegates who carried Barry over the finish line had it wrong about Barry's poll numbers improving to Clinton levels vs McCain after she conceded.
chicano2nd @ 78:
Ohh, that's so indie.
Dems keep waiting for Gadot, and when she finally shows up, it's "No way, no McCain, no Palin". Is that the best she has? Recycled catch phrases?
The repugs are laughing all the way to the polls.
Hillary doesn't care if Obama loses. Worst case scenario? She rides in on her white horse in 2012 to "save us".
Btw, doesn't "No way, no Palin, no McCain" sound MUCH better?
CMINCA @ 72:
At the top of his/her head.
Nikola @ 89:
Thank you!
It's Me @ 88:
Smearing on a little thick for a Monday, eh?
I can understand being a socialist... and a critical activist, direct democracy advocate. I, too, am perpetually frustrated with the choices we are given in the American system. And being a radical socialist is all fine and dandy if you are young, with no dependents, no debilitating health issues, etc.
But there are kind of basic things that families need to survive. And, call it what you will, but I looked around one day and realized that my non-participation at the ballot box was hurting people with families like my own.
It's a sell-out, in a way. But I just helped my good friends vacate their home, which was repossessed by the bank. Both of them work (he works third shift in a factory)... but they lost their home because they cannot afford their son's medical bills.
So, at some point, I had to sacrifice my absolutist, black-and-white worldview, and embrace a course of action that would help get people like my friends back on their feet.
It is a compromise... but one that I would make a million times.
Centrocitta @ 53:
Sorry to the site monitor and everyone else for posting this again: American Fascists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-fbcy1tRoA on Chris Hedges (CBC)
"The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible." http://www.theocracywatch.org/chris_hedges_nov24_04.htm
I think Hillary should have said, "I could come out here and give a speech about why Sarah Palin is a poor choice for VP and how inexperienced she is and why she is wrong for America. But she's not running for president. She's a sidekick. The real problem with the McCain/Palin ticket is JOHN MCCAIN! No amount of lipstick is going to hide that pig."
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 93:
wow more of the futile cycle
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 93:
:)
Btw, did you coin "change you can pretend in" yourself?
I've been finding myself wanting to giggle when I read it of late. I just wish it wasn't so true:/
Nikola @ 99:
i've go my 'change' mixed up i could have thought i heard mccain/palin was change.....that must be different standard of 'change'
BT @ 95:
Well, that's one of the mechanisms that perpetuate the broken system.
Sadly, it's one of the greatest weapons of the plutocrats. And sadly, noone can blame you for breaking down and not being able to take it anymore.
constituent @ 100:
Palin has experience. She can change McCain's Depends.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 93:
What, because your female you think you can't be an idiot. I confront stupidity wherever it occurs. I have no use for socialists either. When we marched in the streets your kind was the first to run.
What makes you think that your few votes for Nader are going to make any difference.
It's Me @ 88:
This is a prime example of why we differ from Republicans. Whether they believe it or not, Republicans stay on point and repeat the message over and over again in public (Peggy Noonan), while Dems criticize their candidates and bicker amongst themselves. I'm starting to believe that we will ALL get the president we DESERVE, not just the Republicans. It is about the issues people!!!
chicano2nd @ 103:
I prefer not to vote, personally.
If nothing else, Hillary's role in this campaign is to tell her supporters and women voters in general to wake the fuck up. They need to realise that McCain and Palin are planning to take away their right to privacy.
I'm now beginning to think women are the swing voters in this election. I've seen some data showing Obama making gains with the male vote. If he locks up the base and the woman vote, in particular, then everthing will be hunky dory.
Nikola @ 105:
Thank you. You proved my point.
Nikola @ 99:
That's my girl..er, or candidate.
Nikola @ 105:
the return of 'Rebel without a Cause'.......
But wait! Howie Kurtz or some other media hack will note that she smiled at an inappropriate moment during her speech, or she didn't accent a certain word as he expected, and so therefore that must mean that Clinton's support of Obama is just lukewarm, or that deep inside she really wants Obama to lose.
God I hate the media. Every last sycophantic, untalented one of 'em.
chicano2nd @ 107:
I bet you think I did :P
Nikola @ 112:
LOL. Bye now. Off to do real work!
Nikola @ 105:
I prefer to go to the fruitstand and just buy what they have because the fresh fruit is going to become spoiled after awhile if I don't use it right away. I might just as well buy the spoiled fruit now so I don't have to wait for it to spoil. Man, some people are stupid.
CMINCA @ 104:
Truer words were never typed (only the second comment)
Just to make myself clear - this Republican ticket is a neocon/evangelical wet dream. John McCain was PNAC's #1 candidate. Sarah Palin is arguably the nuttiest individual the Republicans have ever put on a ticket. She's like the female James Inhofe. They have identical views.
i don't know hillary's agenda my guess would be
florida,ohio,pennsylvania and michigan
PorridgeGun @ 118:
The nuttiest individual ever put on a Republican ticket?
Not even close. This is a party that has had Grand Dragons of the Ku Klux Klan run on their ticket.
chicano2nd @ 103:
When did you march in the street and what were you marching for.
If you have no use for socialists what are you, a corporatist?
Do you understand so little of political science as to not see the difference.
The Democrats and the Republicans have the country convinced that their two party duopoly is the natural order. It is not.
They are now both wings of the same party. The military industrial media conglomerate WAR PARTY.
This country has been sold a bill of goods.
The only socialism that is permitted is Corporate Socialism.
Socialism for Fat Cats.
Come to think of it, if you have no use for socialists, either populist OR corporatist, then you must be a libertarian.
So my one vote for Nader (I only have one) and those few votes for the Libertarian, whoever those generally misguided souls are, these are all people who are exercising their fundamental rights at the ballot box.
What a tepid, heartless, unexciting speach. Where's the passion? Where are the blows into the innumerable soft spots the McCain/Palin ticket leaves open? The Clintons are not stepping up to the plate. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if they want McCain to lose after all.
The ABCNews website is taking questions that the audience wants Gibson to ask Palin. This is what I wrote to them:
"All I want is to have Gibson ask REAL questions, like:
How come you and your husband were members and supporters of the anti-American Alaska Independence Party?
Why did you support Ted Stevens and his "bridge to nowhere" and then lie about your previous support of both?
Why does your pregnant teenage daughter have a choice between keeping her baby or having an abortion while you want to deny every other woman in America that same choice?
Why won't you release the emails concerning the troopergate story?
Why is your preacher allowed to say America will be damned by God while Obama was roasted by the media when HIS former preacher made a similar remark?
You supported the conversion of gays by your church, positing the opinion that a person "chooses" to be gay. If that is what you and your church truly believe, please tell us the exact year, day, hour and minute that you chose to be straight.
What books did you try to have banned from the Alaska Public Library system, and what was your reason for trying to do so?
You recently said the Iraq War was ordained by God. If so, Governor Palin, then why haven't we won yet, and why did God allow nearly 5000 Americans to die in the conflict?
Just a few questions I would like to have asked, along with too many more to list, but I doubt if Charles Gibson will be able to ask them, since he will be too busy kissing John McCain all through this election campaign."
NPR, that bastion of liberal communication (choking here), told me late this afternoon that Hillary didn't say anything even remotely anti-Palin.
Love that NPR.
I love it that the Right says Palin is a Feminist icon but yet she is co-Governor with her First Dude, Todd. She CCs him on her state business emails! She has to run it by Big Daddy before she makes a move? Is she and Todd gonna be Co-Vice-Presidents? This guy barely has a high school degree ( for real) and she consults him on official state business? How many MALE governors CC their wives about state business? How about this number- Zero! Check out the story on Huffington. Pathetic. I guess she is followng the biblical scripture that a wife must bow down to her husband.
Picture perfect. Clinton showing her gravitas over and against Palin without getting into a tit for tat cat fight. This is winsome.
where was this hillary during the primaries?
this hillary i wouldve voted for
Alice @ 125:
i dont know, bet ahnold cc's his wife
she is afterall alot smarter than he
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 121:
Duh, I only have one vote? English "you or your" could mean you or your, plural, for whatever the congregate of you socialists intend to do. Either way it disconnect from reality and will not make a difference other than take away votes from the only ticket that looks to incorporate social ideals, like health care, education, equal opportunity and equal pay for women. You are extremely selfish in your endeavors. Whatever makes only you feel good. I feel sorry for you!
chicano2nd @ 129:
You are rude!
What exactly do you think a socialist is?
Precisely what?
You think the Democrats are going to do that, THAT is socialism. They haven't done it in sixty years why should they do it now?
I am selfish being a socialist. You need to study the English language, political science AND logic. Your statement is fallacious from all stand points.
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I almost feel bad about being somewhat negative toward Hillary, but I wanted Obama to win, and think he's better for America. (Lengthy explanation not included at this point.)
Anyhoo... good for her. That sends a clear message to those Hillary for McPOW types. And maybe some others "wowed" (cough) ...by the Trojan Moose, or Cindy's $300,000 couture. ( ...or body parts underneath. Let's face it, some moron will vote for tits.)
(aside) I saw two Republicans chatting in YouTube who were planning to vote for "the empty-suited Mitt," because they thought he'd be easier to, "look at for four years."
PS America needs to do some serious healing, at home (before abroad). Obama is just the guy. He's not an attack dog, and there's no Clinton/Bush "baggage" (sorry) to go with it.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Palin and Hillary accidentally met in the ladies' room.
Obama's plan to put America to work with new jobs is a great focus. Is he on board with the Pickens' plan of natural gas? I'm ready to open up a natural gas station instead of a gas station if the economy makes the commitment. If it is built they will follow.
McCain is too old,
and may soon fold.
Palin is uncool.
Don't be a fool.
Let's all retool.
(to save the people of the planet)
Impeach, fine, and imprison the war criminals -- Cheney and Bush.
I always find it just slightly disingenuous when politicians, who have spent the better part of a year trashing their opponent do a 180 and extol their virtues - all in the name of party solidarity. It is so completely transparent.
I like and respect Hillary, but I have just had it with all this political BS. And I am also so tired of listening to McCain/Palin speak badly about and try to belittle Obama.
Why can't politicians just talk about issues and leave all the crap out? When are they EVER gonna learn?
The fact of the matter is - there are NO jobs or experience that qualify ANYONE to be the President. And to run a platform, on both sides, of whose experience trumps who is just stupid.
Just state what it is that you propose to do while in the White House and let the chips fall where they may. If people like your approach, they will vote for you . If not, they won't. It can truly be as simple as that.
C'mon Hillary, I know it sucks, but get mad, dammit. :(
Biggus Diggus @ 38:
I believe that if the media would not have tried to make Obama pick Hillary then she would have been his VP nominee. But with everyone pushing her down his throat he felt that he had to pick someone else to not look like he was a push over.
I agree with Hillary's statement about NO way etc. She wants the party to win and being graceful about her loss and moving forward with grace and diplomacy which when you lose you should do.
Listen we need change and McCain/Palin ain't it as they say. I can't stand the trashing that McCain is doing, it is disrespectful when others have been respectful to him in his entire life. No one brought out the fact that he cheated on his wife while married, met his current wife while married and pursued her during his marriage to wife number 1. I don't see his children from his first marriage standing behind him, that says alot. Everyone has forgiven him which is fine, and his present wife has addiction issues, stole drugs to meet her needs and now he embraces a person as his VP,who is scary to the general population of the US. On top of that he has thrown out all the moderate Republicans (me being one of them) for his own party, WHAT are you talking about John?"
He is one step off the banana peel, she (Palin) is under educated to govern and lead the population of the US. Her state is only 600,000 +/- and the largest cities in the US the entire state of Alaska's population can fits into a little corner of any city.
I can't believe that the media and the supposed hype that the general public think she is great. Get over it and look at the major issues we are facing - the economy which John McCain said, "I don't know anything about." Palin has limited government experience with budgets, so she won't help him there. She doesn't know how this government works in the lower 48.
What are we drinking? This is nuts....I have to bet on a sure horse - Obama/Biden.
Disgusted Former Republican - Florida
Brad @ 9:
The same thing happened to me here in VA. I damn sure don't know why, because I am neither a registered Republican nor a GOP contributor. What follows was my reply, along with 2 cents taped to the contribution form:
21 August. 2008
TO: Senator John McCain,
Republican Presidential Candidate 2008
FROM: David762
2008 Voter
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me, and giving me the opportunity to contribute
something to your campaign. I would be happy to work along side you --
not on your Presidential campaign but in those Arizona lettuce fields.
Where is that $50 per hour lettuce picking job that you promised, me and
a lot of other unemployed or under-employed American workers? I used
to work in the Information Technology field -- my last job was as a sub-
subcontractor on the Hubble Space Telescope at NASA in Greenbelt.
(Truthfully, I would be better at helping to design robotic lettuce pickers
than doing that manual labor myself, but I am willing and able to do near-
ly anything for $50 per hour these days.)
If the fate of all "our" Republican candidates and the fate of "our" Party
is in the hands of Americans like me, then you are all in big trouble. You
might just as well turn off the HVAC and lights at campaign headquarters, padlock the doors, and go home. With any luck, you will not have to wait
too long before the American Truth and Reconciliation Committee sends
an armed escort to deliver you (and thousands of other Republicans) to
your new quarters at Guantanemo Bay, Cuba. De-Nazification will take
years, but you really do have the experience necessary to wait in a cage
until your day in War Crimes Tribunal court, don't you? That you are
qualified for.
Every Republican President in the 20th Century and so far in the 21th Century that has served two terms in office has caused great harm to this
country, its core values, the US Constitution, and the Middle Class. Each one that has served a single term, I presume, just didn't have enough time in office to contribute enough to the rise of Corporate Socialism (Fascism) to make a historically large difference. What is the attraction of public
office that seems to draw out all the sociopaths, child molesters, closet homosexuals, and drug abusers to the (conservative) Republican Party?
I have seen quite enough of your foul-mouthed abuse, short temper, and
treasonous behavior over the course of your career in public life to realize that you are the Manchurian Candidate, Part Two (the first being the
current sociopathic neo-Nazi occupying the White House.) You not only
don't belong in the White House, you should be barred from any public office. You swore an oath of allegiance to the US Constitution and the rule of law each time you began a new term in political office, just like you did when becoming an officer in the US Navy. You have repeatedly
violated that oath, for the personal gain of yourself and your friends.
I had always considered myself an Independent, not a Democrat or a
Republican, but that label has been prominently, publicly abused and
morphed into meaning an Unregistered Agent of a Foreign Government
as, for example, Senator Joe Liberman. I proudly and publicly proclaim
that I am a (Huey Long) Populist.
To quote you, shit-for-brains: "Fuck you! Shut up! I know what I'm talking about ... (regarding illegal immigration.)"
Sincerely Not Yours,
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25 Deadly Sins - Just the Beginning of the John McCain Story
1. He publicly decries the influence of lobbyists in Washington, but has accepted more campaign contributions from lobbyists than any other candidate by far.
2. He has admitted on many occasions that he does not understand economics – but denies saying this during debates.
3. He voted against Bush tax cuts twice saying they “benefited the rich” – but now says it was because spending cuts weren’t attached to the bill.
4. He tried to push an amnesty bill down our throats (McCain-Kennedy) but denied it was amnesty for illegals because they would be required to pay a small fine to become citizens.
5. He was the only Republican member of the Keating Five savings and loan scandal, which cost taxpayers over $3 Billion.
6. He made over 32 propaganda tapes for the Viet Cong suggesting that American’s primarily targeted schools, hospitals, children.
7. He has been the main obstacle to bills in the senate related to helping families find missing POWs/MIAs from the Korean and Viet Nam wars.
8. He opposes drilling for oil in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge – although only 0.5% of ANWR land would potentially be used for oil production. He even put ANWR on the same footing as the Grand Canyon.
9. He authored the McCain-Feingold Bill, which severely limits free speech in campaigns.
10. He graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy – wasting his time there while being supported by taxpayers.
11. He married his mistress after his 1st wife was severely injured in a car accident.
12. He has been at the head of normalizing relations with Viet Nam and China while his father-in-law became a major beer distributor in Viet Nam and China.
13. He was endorsed by the New York Times.
14. He is very “close friends” with Hillary Clinton, according to both him and Bill Clinton.
15. He told the Viet Cong the flight paths and targets of US aircraft, endangering the lives of his fellow airmen.
16. His campaign is run by lobbyists – He has more than double the number of lobbyists on his campaign staff than any other Republican or Democratic candidate.
17. His economic platform consists of cutting pork barrel spending – which sounds good, but will hardly have any impact on the US budget or economy.
18. He supports the carbon cap and tax approach to global warming, which will cost the US tens of trillions of dollars and make almost no impact (think India and China).
19. He has no understanding of business, business accounting, taxes, job creation on the private sector – his promise is essentially “your jobs aren’t coming back”.
20. He publicly rails against government earmarks and says he has never asked for earmarks – however he has asked for earmarks for Arizona on several occasions.
21. He constantly states that he was the only one supporting the troop surge in Iraq, although that has been proven to be blatantly false.
22. He has a hair trigger temper – he’s cursed at fellow senators in committee on various occasions.
23. He has had skin cancer twice and is 71 years old.
24. He was negotiating with the Democrats about switching parties and being John Kerry’s running mate – he denies this now, but its been confirmed by his own aides.
25. He is the Republican the liberal media wants to win the Republican nomination – they’ll have a field day with all the skeletons in his closet.
Bonus 1 – He was less conservative than 78% of other Republicans in the senate (American Conservative Union).
Bonus II – Helped form the Gang of 14 to further stick it to Republicans.
Only in America could a man who has called the mainstream media his "base" run against that very same media.
Only in America could a man who has been in office for decades run as an "outsider" against the entrenched interests in Washington.
Only in America could a man who is a longtime Republican stalwart run against his own party, which has governed while controlling most of the institutional levers of power -- the presidency, the Supreme Court and the Congress -- for much of the past eight years.
And only in America could a man who has called the corporatized, in-the-tank, mainstream media his "base" -- the media that made him its darling and hailed him for his supposed "straight talk" -- run against that very same media, bashing it figuratively while "peace officers" were doing so quite literally to journalists in the streets of St. Paul, in a manner unseen since the '60s and the Chicago days of Richard Daley and the subsequent Nixonian "nattering nabobs of negativity" era.
Yes, welcome to America, land of opportunity, where every politician is a self-styled "change agent" -- yet little ever seems to change.
Extrated from Tom Fitzpatrick:
McCain: The Most Reprehensible Of The Keating Five
The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate.
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Published on November 29, 1989
You're John McCain, a fallen hero who wanted to become president so desperately that you sold yourself to Charlie Keating, the wealthy con man who bears such an incredible resemblance to The Joker.
Obviously, Keating thought you could make it to the White House, too.
He poured $112,000 into your political campaigns. He became your friend. He threw fund raisers in your honor. He even made a sweet shopping-center investment deal for your wife, Cindy. Your father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was cut in on the deal, too.
Nothing was too good for you. Why not? Keating saw you as a prime investment that would pay off in the future.
So he flew you and your family around the country in his private jets. Time after time, he put you up for serene, private vacations at his vast, palatial spa in the Bahamas. All of this was so grand. You were protected from what Thomas Hardy refers to as "the madding crowd." It was almost as though you were already staying at a presidential retreat.
Like the old song, that now seems "Long ago and far away." Since Keating's collapse, you find yourself doing obscene things to save yourself from the Senate Ethics Committee's investigation. As a matter of course, you engage in backbiting behavior that will turn you into an outcast in the Senate if you do survive.
They say that if you put five lobsters into a pot and give them a chance to escape, none will be able to do so before you light the fire. Each time a lobster tries to climb over the top, his fellow lobsters will pull him back down. It is the way of lobsters and threatened United States senators.
And, of course, that's the way it is with the Keating Five. You are all battling to save your own hides. So you, McCain, leak to reporters about who did Keating's bidding in pressuring federal regulators to change the rules for Lincoln Savings and Loan.
When the reporters fail to print your tips quickly enough--as in the case of your tip on Michigan Senator Donald Riegle--you call them back and remind them how important it is to get that information in the newspapers.
The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate. The outcome will be decided, not in a courtroom, but probably on national television.
Those who survive will be the sociopaths who can tell a lie with the most sincere, straight face. You are especially adept at this.
Last Friday night, on The John McLaughlin Show, which features well-known Washington journalists, the subject of the Keating Five was discussed. Panelist Jack Germond suggested that three of the Keating Five were probably already through in politics.
So you spend your days desperately trying to make sure you will be one of the survivors. You keep volunteering to go on radio and television stations to protest your innocence. Last week you made ABC's Nightline. Not long before that you somehow managed to get James Kilpatrick, the national columnist, to write a favorable paragraph about you. Last Sunday morning, you made it to national television again; this time on ABC's This Week With David Brinkley. You smiled at the panel with your usual studied insouciance. Sitting next to you was Senator John Glenn of Ohio.
Brinkley, Sam Donaldson, and George Will were the interrogators.
It was a sobering scene. There you sat with Glenn, both sweating before the cameras, waiting to answer questions: two badly tarnished American icons. No one forgets that Glenn was the first American astronaut to orbit the Earth. You won't let anyone forget that you were a prisoner of war. But you have played that tune too long. By now your constant reminders about your war record make you seem like a modern version of Arthur Miller's tragic failure Willy Loman.
Clearly, both you and Glenn sold your fame for Charles Keating's money. It was a Faustian bargain. It was also a bad joke on the rest of us and a disaster for many old people who lost their life's savings to Keating.
The money was never really Keating's to give. But he never would have got his hands on it if you and the rest of the Keating Five didn't halt the government takeover for two long years while Keating's people continued their looting.
And now, the tab for the Savings and Loan heist must be paid from taxpayer pockets.
On Sunday, Senators Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, and Riegle refused offers to appear on the Brinkley show. What must we make of that?
You, the closest of them to Keating and the deepest in his debt, have chosen the path of the hard sell. You may even make it out of the pot, but to many, your protestations of innocence taste like gall.
You are determined to bluff your way. You will stick to your story that you were acting to help a constituent and intended to do nothing improper. The very fact you attended the meeting makes you guilty, just as every man who entered the Brinks vault went to prison.
You insist that an accounting firm Keating hired told you Lincoln was sound. Alan Greenspan, who Keating also hired, wrote a report saying it was sound. Why shouldn't you believe the people Keating hired? You were, after all, fellow employees.
Perhaps you might silence your own conscience about all this someday.
Just keep telling everyone that it was your wife's money invested in that shopping center with Keating and that you knew nothing about it. Keep saying that cynical newspaper people don't understand that every move you make has always been for the enrichment of Arizona . . . the education of our Native Americans on the reservations . . . for the love of the elderly in Sun City and Green Valley.
Keep telling them that it wasn't that you were bought off but that Charlie Keating got special help only because he was one of the biggest employers in the state.
Just keep sitting there and staring into the camera and denying that Keating bought you for money and jet plane trips and vacations.
So what if he gave you $112,000? Just keep smiling at the cameras and saying you did nothing wrong.
Maybe the voters will understand you took those tiring trips to Charlie's place in the Bahamas in their behalf. Certainly, they can understand you wanted to take your family along. A senator deserves to travel on private jets, removed from the awful crush of public transportation.
You sought out a master criminal like Keating and became his friend. Now you've discarded him. It shouldn't be surprising that you are now in the process of selling out your senatorial accomplices.
You're John McCain, clearly the guiltiest, most culpable and reprehensible of the Keating Five. But you know the power of television and you realize this is the only way you can possibly save your political career.
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