But what about Joe Biden?
By bluegal Monday Sep 08, 2008 7:30am
While there's all this distraction regarding Sarah Palin, it might be worthwhile to lower our pail down the memory hole and remember just how often Joe Biden has stood up to this president. From the New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004:
Forty democratic senators were gathered for a lunch in March [2004] just off the Senate floor. I was there as a guest speaker. Joe Biden was telling a story, a story about the president. ''I was in the Oval Office a few months after we swept into Baghdad,'' he began, ''and I was telling the president of my many concerns'' -- concerns about growing problems winning the peace, the explosive mix of Shiite and Sunni, the disbanding of the Iraqi Army and problems securing the oil fields. Bush, Biden recalled, just looked at him, unflappably sure that the United States was on the right course and that all was well. '''Mr. President,' I finally said, 'How can you be so sure when you know you don't know the facts?'''
Biden said that Bush stood up and put his hand on the senator's shoulder. ''My instincts,'' he said. ''My instincts.''
Biden paused and shook his head, recalling it all as the room grew quiet. ''I said, 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough!'''
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Joe: Your instincts are good enough. Trust them. And rip into Palin and tear her up and down and show her as the fraud she is.
Biden will destroy McPalin.
Shut Up! You need to vote Republican because the Republicans were better at preventing 9/11! Voting Democrat will mean we gon' get a city blowed up! AAAAAAAAH:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/opinion/09goldberg.html
If Bush were a hunting dog upon whose instincts we were relying on to catch a deer, we'd all have starved to death in the winter of 2000, when our good pal Antonin Scalia sold us this fracking hound with a nose that's been sandpapered out with cocaine.
Instincts?
Talk about living in a bubble.
Time to unleash the real pitbull - Joe Biden!
Truth and experience are on his side. Wisdom and insight are on his side.
Palin is nothing but an empty suit, and if the press would just do their jobs, her constant lies (which are ultimately McStain's constant lies) will be exposed for the desperate spin that they are.
Time's a tickin' Team Obama!
PEACE
his "instincts" and Jesus whispering in his ear.
Sorry, folks, Biden is just not "interesting/flashy" enough for our shiny object obsessed media...he needs to drop his pants somewhere or save a drowning child...or adopt a village in Africa...but, while you wait for that to happen...jump on over to FIREDOGLAKE and check out the "questions that Gibson won't be asking"...then send them to OBAMA's campaign and BEG them to put out, quickly, an ad suggesting these are some things "INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW"...if nothing else it will allow for the requisite follow-up notice of the PUFF PIECE that will be what ABC condones...
I think the only instincts he was following was where he dropped a load in his pants. bush is a fool nothing more!
I don't know if Biden can top Obama yesterday when Obama said that Palin was a "moose shooter"
CNN covered her ex church yesterday. MSNBC is covering her being for the bridge before she was against it. Slowly but hopefully surely, they are giving her a deeper look. Let the media stir things up as much as possible before doing a full out attack. Any time the media is talking about her in a negative light, that's a free ad for Obama.
what an unfettered crimewave this bush admin. is.
Woodward's new book seems to support what Biden said. Bush went on gut and instincts more than facts and reality.
Didn't Bush "instinctively" know that Putin is a good man by looking deep into his eyes?
Many of the undecided still are saying that the Democrats are intent in raising taxes. That distortion is sticking. How the heck is it getting out there, how is it spreading. How does it get stopped. Yeah the republicans have successfully turned the inquiry into a personality contest but worry about taxes is a policy distortion.
Joe, make it clear that the fascist use lies in every regime they took over throughout history. The economy should be one of the biggest issue. The repubs are lying, lying, lying when it comes to the economy. Take them on, expose them, make it stick! Flag-waving, attacking patriotism, damning people for not wearing lapel pins, pledging allegiance to the state, those are all fascist methods of lulling the population to sleep while they take over. Wake them up, they are being lied to and the main stream media is complicit.
Don't hold back!
spencers mom @ 5:
They won't make him wear lipstick will they?
I'm sorry but, I think that, Obama-Biden are best than Mccain-Palin.
What was Biden's vote on telecom immunity?
What was Bidens' vote on giving Bush more war funding?
CafeenMan @ 12:
Yes. And Putin looked into Bush's eyes and saw that nobody was home.
You want to know why this election is going to be close....
Because 28% of the country still thinks Bush is doing a good job, they agree with Palin that the world was created 6000 years ago, and they will feel sorry for her if Biden attacks her.
72% of these people will vote.
The rest of the country actually has a brain, but only 28% of these people will vote.
ALLAIN JULES C@MMUNICATION @ 15:
bon jour! No need to apologize for the truth.
"Biden said that Bush stood up and put his hand on the senator’s shoulder. ”My instincts,” he said. ”My instincts.”
That's some scary shit right there.
The instincts of a man who has no knowledge of anything, no sober life experiences, no insight, no curiosity, no intelligence, no self control, NOTHING. As empty a suit as there ever was.
John @ 16:
Those legislative acts by individual legislators are much more complicated than sloganeering. They don't rise to the level of lies. Come on, think back to when you were told not to lie. It means tell the truth. Is that very complicated?
{ FIFY ,SM}
Negative ads work, just look at past campaigns. McCain AND Palin are running intense negative and lying ads and they are sticking because Americans believe the negative. Doesn't matter that Biden has stood up to Bush, that is a positive and doesn't have as much punch.
Unless and until the Obama campaign starts making ads detailing some of McCain's disastrous decisions to support Bush, this is not going to change.
As Elaine Benes said to George Costanza, FORGET YOUR INSTINCTS, GO WITH THE OPPOSITE!
John @ 16:
What is Sarah Palin's stance on banning books?
What is Sarah Palin's stance on the Iraq War?
Give W credit. I am sure he had been advised by his surrogates that his instincts were good enough, since it seems they never disagreed with him.
its hard to make the case that instincts are not good enough when the nation elected him based on nothing.
of course this all came a bit late... he should have stood up to bush when it mattered, as head of senate foreign relations, he could have said no in 2002 and 2003... this is all after the fact and a weak argument... i am no maccain man, but this fluff piece is a bit much...
chicano2nd @ 21:
I would add that the Dems were in a tough spot with the war funding. If they voted it down the Repug marketing machine would have hammered them relentlessly about abandoning the troops, and technically the Repugs would have been correct. Also voting down funding would have made any negative outcome the responsibility of the Dems rather than BushCo LLC.......This is Bush's war! Until he is replaced, it will continue to be Bush's war!
Mick Angry Leftist Piobr @ 17:
Yeah, but he didn't need to look into Bush's eyes to know that.
Don Davis @ 23:
Don Davis @ 23:
Love Elaine, one smart dimwit!
oncall @ 2:
More importantly, the MSM must acknowledge it when it happens. Good luck with that!
Bring on the damn debates.
John @ 16:
Those votes were for legislation being demanded by the thugs in the crime family. They were not what we wanted but had some legislation for the FISA court that had been missing. The more important question is why McSame did not support the New GI bill and why he voted against GI rights so many times. Why he voted against minimum wage increases.
When Palin runs out of snarky remarks, what's she got left? The only sound bites we hear from her are snide sarcastic comments, usually directed at Obama. Will this work for her from now until November.
Sarah Palin is being kept in the same bubble that Bush is in. Which is manufactured by the RNC.
This needs to be repeated by Biden in every stump speech... we don't need leaders who sacrifice 4,000 American lives, who knows how many innocent civilian lives and our reputation on the world stage on a "hunch".
It's time for adults to run this country... and McCain isn't one, despite his age. He is a ranting, jingoistic, hothead who will lead us to ruin. That's how they need to paint him.
pissed off patricia @ 34:
Not only that, but it's the same damn snarky comments over and over again.
Obama has a new ad out today attacking McCain for his lack of funding for education. It's simple and to the point. Hopefully parents will pay attention to the facts in this ad.
Fanon @ 37:
Even a good comedian gets old and stale if he does the same routine every time.
The Democrats really need to start talking about stories like this on the campaign trail. Americans overwhelmingly want the change the Obama/Biden campaign is talking about, but they are worried because they are still not quite sure what exactly that "change" really means. Complicated policy statements will inevitably end up being a significant part of campaign speeches, but Americans also love stories. The most obvious current example is with Palin. Most people haven't got the faintest idea where she stands on major issues, but they are drawn to her because the McCain campaign has made sure that information about her is revealed through stories about how she hunts, what her family is like, how she rose through the ranks of the Republican party in Alaska and other interesting little narratives. In many ways, Bush used similar methods to capture people's attention and create a narrative about himself that made people like him. One could even say that Reagan's lasting legacy was built on his skill at using stories and narratives to explain, and emphasize, his stances on various issues.
Obama has quite a bit of life experience. I would love it if he talked about that more. I'm certain there's a wealth of stories just from his time in Chicago when he was networking churches and organizing to help communities in need. As far as Biden goes, I don't think there's any doubt he's got an incredibly rich vein of experiences to mine. They've been doing this to some extent, but I would really like to see them doing it much more in the coming days.
Now, I'm by no means saying that they should give up on talking substantive policy in lieu of empty narratives as McCain and Palin have preferred to do. On the contrary, I think Obama and Biden need to talk even more about specific policy than they have been, but I would really like to see them couch these specifics within a framework of stories and narratives. I get the sense that this would help capture the audience more effectively and really help people to be able to digest some of the complexities of the issues. This could go a long way towards helping people get over their fear of not being certain that they know enough about who Obama is and how his vision for the future translates into specifics. Republicans have really understood, and have been excellent at, using narratives to explain, and sell people on, issues and political stances. This would seem to explain why they have been so consistently able to successfully sway public opinion and win elections.
pissed off patricia @ 38:
Good morning Patricia, have you a link to that ad?
Has Ike had any impact on you? Just some outer band rains up here making it HUMID!
pissed off patricia @ 34:
One thing that you can count on is that her handlers will be keeping the Press away from her.
They do not want someone asking her intelligent questions that are pertinent to a knowledge base for someone a missed heartbeat way from the most important office in the free world.
Bush. Putting the 'stink' back into Instincts.
Once again it has to be stated that EVERYTHING that Bush has done in his time in office is greatly appreciated by his base. The hyper-rich have gotten so much richer because of his policies. The corporations have had much more free reign to do whatever they wish. Human rights are down, corporate rights are up. The military industrial complex is raking in money hand over fist. Yes, Bush's base is quite pleased with him.
Obama and his team need to admit that the R's ARE the party of change. Hear me out, people...
Just look at how they've changed our country in just 7+ years!
They're the party of change, but the WRONG CHANGE!!!!!!!!
Saint Augustine @ 41:
And a Florida Good Morning to you too. We have had breezy weather and a little rain here and there. Thankfully Ike decided to take his business farther to the south. Later today I'm heading out for Captiva Island on the west coast. Hopefully Ike will stir up some good shelling over there.
The ad might be up on his site. I only saw it on tv.
Dr Acula @ 45:
From Democracy to Fascism in thought. If Palin/McCain lie their way into power Fascism goes into action!
Biden said that Bush stood up and put his hand on the senator’s shoulder. ”My instincts,” he said. ”My instincts.”
Mr. President, you are an ignorant jerk!
trying to paint biden as if he didn´t facilitate bush´s war is important for the dems... it´s almost effective... to bad history and facts are not on joe´s side...
I could go with the Bush Brat having said "I stink." Is Jan. 20,2009 ever going to get here?
Radically Moderate @ 28:
Yes. I wish people could rise above this stuff (either that or get a brain). Because to me, they're an obvious, substantial difference between being against going to war and choosing to fund it once that war is a fact. I was against the Iraq war since before it started*. But it doesn't follow that the I think the best course of action is to put as few resources as possible into it.
If you warn a person not to play with fire and they ignore it and get burned, does that make me a wrong to give them medical aid?
Same goes for other issues, like the Fanny/Freddie bailout. I don't like the fact that we're having to do that either. But all we can do at this point is vote for the people who'd have passed regulation which would've stopped the problem from happening in the first place.
*I can pinpoint the exact moment, in fact. I was watching the 1999 election debate on foreign policy on ABC. Bush got a direct question on whether he would invade Iraq or not. He evaded the question. I remember thinking "My god, he didn't say 'no'. This guy is going to invade Iraq first chance he gets. And when Iraq got named almost immediately as a (ludicrously improbable) suspect in 9/11, as early as the day after. I knew Bush had gotten his excuse and that they were going to Iraq. (unless they met a powerful domestic opposition.. which they didn't.). Mostly I'm sad over how long it took for the general public to figure this all out. (I was convinced at that time that this would definitely lead to Bush being ousted in 2004) It says a lot about our media that the fact that Iraq was up for discussion well before 9/11 has been all but forgotten.
barkin @ 49:
You're barkin up the wrong tree.
Biden (and Obama) needs to keep it very simple and direct. The Undecided are undecided for a reason. They are either bewildered or they want attention for their inability to chose. Don't let them no cop out by saying "Obama's position isn't clear." (They will probably say it any way.)
I fear more anti-intellectual initiatives from the Republicans because it has always worked for them.
Keep it simple, stupid.
I don't get why Obama's camp is not screaming this stuff from the roof tops...instead they are sitting there taking a back seat to Palin.
My only hope is that there is something under their sleeve...that they are letting things build up for a purpose.
I am getting nervous!
Alexdem @ 51:
Love the analogy. I would like to steal that.
McCain/Palin has ads trying to fool Americans into thinking they aren't even republicans!
They must think the American people are stupid.
Well after 8 yrs of the giggling murderer in the White House they have a point.
ruffmama @ 54:
I feel you!!!
Shadowgm Hussein @ 24:
What Palin did is somehow supposed to justify Biden's actions? How is Biden voting to give Bush more war funding a good thing for Iraqis who are being terrorized by American soldiers and for American soldiers who are getting blown up and brain damaged for no justifiable reason? Bluegal lauds Biden for having "stood up for this president." Will she also praise Biden for stepping on the average worker by helping the credit card industry with passage of a law making it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy protection?
The Democrats and the Republicans-two sides of the same coin.
Dr Acula @ 45:
Excellent point and the makings of a great commercial--pas it on!
barkin @ 49:
What is Palins history? What is McCains history? Too bad people of faith still have a difficult time telling what one of the proscriptions of religion is, lying? Now you are complicit. Do you get saved every weekend? Is that how moral debauchery works for you?
Sarah Palin was FOR Obama before she was against him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6dmBm1SFw
LOL!
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Me?
I wish that that were not just a 'self-report.'
I wish there were some 'independent' confirmation.
I mean, all of us remember what we WISH we'd said to the bully, the zinger that comes later...
It would have been all the more real if he'd reported that he'd said: "Listen, you poisonous little pissant, you've got the instincts of a gerbil. Piss off with your instincts. What EVIDENCE have you got, asshole?"
That I'd believe...
According to Mika on Morning Joe, no one should question if a mother of five kids can have the time and energy to be vice president because no one would ask a man that question. Mika seems to feel that raising five children gives Palin an extra bouce as far as experience etc.
My question to Mika would be, if Palin were a man would he get extra credit for having the experience of raising five children? Of course he wouldn't.
woody, tokin librul @ 62:
Yuk, Yuk! How are things in Nuevo Mexico?
new word otter @ 61:
Imagine that! The video has been pulled!
[It's still there-Sitemonitor]
"Mika seems to feel that raising five children gives Palin an extra bouce as far as experience etc."
I believe we may safely say: Neither five years in a POW camp, nor five epesiotomies, are actual--or adequate--qualifications for the "Preznissy"...
The problem with the 'qualifications' argument is its irrelevancy, as demonstrated by the fact of the Chimp's tenure in the job...
barkin @ 49:
Well said!
pissed off patricia @ 63:
excellent point.
Dr Acula @ 52:
r u saying he didn´t, as chair of foreign relations, vote with bush to authorize this fiasco? it´s just history, and worth repeating to bring some reality to this fluff piece... he missed his chance when the time was right... i´m just sayin´... so how am i barkin up the wrong tree?
Damned bush. I heard on NPR this morning that the bush administration is planning on privatizing a large part of the Veterans Administration before he leaves office. Several national Veterans' groups are upset at this.
One of the disturbing things is that the bush administration has kept quiet about the few companies it is looking at to take over these services. How much you want to bet that one of these companies is KBR/Halliburton?
Damn these people. And McCain would be a continuation of this kind of crap.
Get a TV ad on with Biden about their lies and deception. I'm sick of the GOP!
chicano2nd @ 64:
Politically? Probably Tom Udall beats Steve Pierce for Senate. Heinrich takes "Leather" Heather's seat from fascist, Joe Arpaio-wanna-be sheriff Darren White. Pearce's old District, #2, in the south, goes Dim only AFTER the Rapture. Udall's seat seems safe, with the scion of a very powerful Northern NM family, Ben Lujan.
Meteorologically, our 'monsoon' has been sparse this year. The temps are declining into the 80s, daytime. With State Fair on, the outlook for rain ought to improve.
If you plan to motor west, gimme a call, and I'll fix ya a decent burrito...
It's time to spend some time writing letters to the editor to your local Republican rag, your daily newspaper, and exposing the hypocrisy and lies of the Republican Party. Expose McCain's real record of not supporting veteran health care. Talk about McCain's plan to tax employee health benefits. Expose the lies and the hypocrisy. Organize your friends and colleagues to flood newspapers with the facts. Don't let the corporate media steal another election for the criminal conspiracy known as the Republican Pary.
Let's face it Bush wasn't directed by his instincts - his instinct is to spend as much time on vacation as possible and frat boy pranks - he was just repeating the PNAC feed coming out of his earphone.
I really think obama let his ego get in the way of choosing the correct VP...not that biden is good as a senator in his dull plodding way. He seems to be a good person. Again dull and uninteresting.
He ran for president FIVE times and couldn't even get enough support as Cynthia McKinney has now. I really think obama, if his ego wouldn't let him choose Hillary, he should have picked a VP to fire up the base the way Palin has done to the republicans.
The YAWNS by the democrats show how fired up they are with biden.
Don't forget that Biden got off the one liner about Guiliani that sunk Guiliani's candidacy. He will do it again to McPalin.
barkin @ 68:
Get with it! In the context of legislation, given that that repulican majority did everything to cause gridlock, including using their propaganda machinery to lie. Looks like you fell for it, hook. line and sinker. A "fish with a lizard mind" perhaps?
pissed off patricia @ 63:
Excellent point and it also underscores how this Palin family stuff keeps Doltin' Joe and miniMika from discussing issues/positions that affect all of us.
Reminds me of the immortal Rick Davis (R) saying that this is about personalities not issues.
Not choosing Hillary as VP was a HUGE mistake.
It might have been enough.
Instead, probably, in the long run, it won't matter because, as I've been saying all along, just giving the nomination to Obama will be thought/considered enough to dispel the charges of USer 'systemic racism,' and his actual candidacy will be an important footnote. It satisfies white folks that he's been nominated. they don't have to actually elect him.
Erroll @ 58:
Yawn. Same Erroll, same tired 'it's all the same' nonsense.
And while you're out there voting for a third-party candidate who isn't going to be anywhere near the White House in the foreseeable future, keep in mind that the very people you despise - Democrat or Republican - are still trampling on whatever causes you hold dear.
Have a nice day, and watch out for cars.
Marge @ 73:
One day Marge you'll say something that is factual and makes sense.
Obama reacting to Palin's statements is wrong.. The objective of a fiery vp is to draw the cadidate on the other party to react. Either Biden or surrogates should do this job.
think of this if Obama defends his record in response to comparisons with Palin, he has effectively brought himself to her level - i.e given credential to Palin
no?
Marge @ 73:
He ran for president five times? I know he ran in 1988 and 2008, but what other years did he run?
So Stephen Colbert was spot-on with his 'from the gut' routine at the White House Correspondent's Dinner.
Reality trumps satire every time with these guys...
Marge @ 73:
Marge those aren't yawns, those are Democrats starting to show their fangs. Trust me, the next seven weeks are going to be interesting.
I have one question for you Marge, how much do you get paid for your asinine comments?
Once again the GOP is not trying to win over America or even the majority of Americans. All they need is a majority of electoral votes to place McPalin in the White House. That's what Obama/Biden and the DNC need to focus on: more electoral votes than the other guy!
Nothing else really matters.
John @ 16:
Same as the patriot act....yes.
...re-elect nobody.
chicano2nd @ 75:
it was not a repug majority at the time... biden was the chair... even if he wasn´t, don´t give me that partisan gridlock bullshit. of course the repubs are obstructionists, thats what they do, but a guy with as much experience and alleged judgment as biden, could have called people like scott ritter or any number of voices of decent to testify in the hearings in the runup to the war... he didn´t do what he could have, nay, should have done and we are all in peril because of it... you need to read something other than crooks, my well meaning freind...
Mr. Hairsweep is going to save us? The fuck head that wants to put another 100,000 plus police on the streets of Amurika to keep us in line. Pretty soon we will not have to protest to be beaten and killed by the police in the Fascist Corporate States of Amurika. They'll just come into our homes whenever they want. Or maybe they'll just send in drones to kill us off.
There is no choice. The CFR duo versus the religious zealots (W lite, 90%).
We're fucked.
Bush is speaking on tv right now and damn, he looks like hell. His hair is sticking out, his eyes look swollen and his skin looks strange. What the hell happened to him? He looks like my dad used to after coming off a two week drinking binge.
yes, but he just isn't as pretty as Sarah Palin. plus, cuz like, I heard he wants to raise taxes, and also doesn't support teh TROOPS!
/snark
pissed off patricia @ 88:
Yes, he does look like crap. And we get the new sound-bite for the month. The "quiet surge" into Afghanistan. And the media is making a big deal about 8,000 troops coming up by February. What a sick joke. We are certainly led by the insane.
Joe needs to hit Palin so hard it will jar her kinfolks all the way back in Europe.
There you go again, harping on this "experience" thing. Then it was Bush now it's Palin. I mean look how well the last governor we elected did. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/brief-analysis-from-one-governor-to.html
Erroll says: "The Democrats and the Republicans-two sides of the same coin."
Howsoever uncomfortable it may make you, Erroll is correct.
They are NOT 'different' parties, with different interests. They are slightly divergent wings of the same party--what Gore Vidal, in his lucid days, described as the "Right Wing" and the "Very Right Wing."
Their visions of USer futures are essentially the same: more corporatism, more authoritarianism, more 'security" (surveillance, spying, interception, choke-points) at home; more military adventurism, more energy imperialism, more conflict abroad.
Yes there are carefully managed, carefully maintained 'cosmetic' differences--you may recognize them as "wedge" issues. Think God, guns, and gays, plus choice.
But those are 'social' issues. On the fundamental principles, they are about as indistinguishable a couple of Chevys on the assembly line: slightly different equipment, but fundamentally the same...
pissed off patricia @ 88:
Maybe he should have licked his comb. lol He does look bad. I thinks hes been crying all week because he wasn't allowed at the RNC.
I'm sure you'll have a thread up about this soon, but...
Via TPM Election Central:
WaPo: Palin Charged State For Her Nights At Home
The Washington Post reports this morning that Sarah Palin has charged the state of Alaska a per diem expense for nights she spent at her own home in Wasilla, a charge intended to cover personal expenses for state officials while conducting government business. It's not exactly the kind of story that helps her image of being a fiscal conservative.
The WSJ is also calling her out on her continued lies about the bridge to nowhere (same site).
woody, tokin librul @ 93:
Dancer @ 7:
David Brooks in today's NYTimes actually says the candidates need to have "a weirdness factor. Surprise me." What is it with this video-obsessed culture that we need candidates to be "weird" in order to attract attention? He said Obama when he first started campaigning was "weird" enough to attract attention. Now (my opinion) we have devolved into an obsession with a lipsticked Talibamerican from Alaska. We are truly doomed, unless the debates change the current situation.
woody, tokin librul @ 93:
Precisely. And it's never going to change. Even if there is a revolt, it will not change. The reason is that some humans always seek power. And they are the humans that should NEVER have power. They are the ones that can be purchased and sell out so that they obtain their goals. They don't care how many lives they destroy as long as they are the alpha animal.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 78:
You made my point. That is exactly why I will not in good conscience vote for either a Democrat or a Republican because, as you correctly state, both parties and warmongers will be "trampling on whatever causes [I] hold dear." Certainly the Iraqis and the Afghans realize that both McCain and Obama, the [alleged] agent of hope and change, will be trampling upon their lives with their militaristic and imperialistic and blood rendering policies. Despite your stubborn belief, Obama, the politician who voted for the FISA telecom immunity bill, who voted for the Patriot Act, who has voted to continue to send more funds to Iraq thus creating more misery and death and destruction for the Iraqi people, who advocates sending more troops into Afghanistan which will create more needless carnage and suffering for the Afghan people, will simply bring more of the same policies for Americans and third world countries if and when he enters the White House.
I trust Biden but could never trust or believe any lying Reslug. asshole.
Bush needs Sarah Palin's little girl to run up on the stage and lick her hand to smooth his hair down like she did her for her little brother.
Whatever is wrong with him, it makes him look about as old as McCain. He's dragging out his same old speech lines and sounding for all means and purposes like he doing another Mission Accomplished speech.
After all, we must protect the poppy.
W's talking in circles. As usual.
chicano2nd @ 60:
dude, what are you talking about¿ religion is the opiate of the masses and has caused more war than anything else in my world... they try to explain the unexplainable and people take cofort in that... not me, dude... moral debauchery is what biden has... we are talking about his vote for the war anyway... oh, forget it... you seem high anyway..
Charles @ 98:
Probably, you bestow too much importance on individuals. The reason that change is soooo unlikely is that the discursive practices of power are so much a part of--so deeply embedded in--the structures of the institutions which individuals inhabit that there's no room, no space for true 'opposition.' Hegemony, as Gramsci described it 80 years ago, always provides places where its critics may safely rail against the system. These days, it's the Toobs, which could be (invisibly) controlled so easily as to make monkeys of us all...
Shadowgm Hussein @ 24:
What is Sarah Palin's stance on separation of church and state?
What is Sarah Palin's stance on separation of powers?
Charles @ 90:
What the hell is "National Defense University"?
Glad to hear he's so gung-ho in helping the Afghan economy. My advice to the Afghanis: "Just say no!" He's done such a great job with ours...
Oi vey.
Moron State Media is controlling the Election.
He looks like he's reading his worn out speech for the first time. When he hits on something that makes sense to him he looks up with the look of pleased discovery.
How many days left?
Charles @ 102:
speaking of poppies...
http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/war_and_peace/2008/05/us-soldiers-...
pissed off patricia @ 101:
Damn, beat me to it!
Biden should have shove a shank in the emperor's gut at that very moment.
Erroll @ 58:
Erroll, I've heard your mind numbing argument too many times and it never stops sounding stupid. "The Democrats and the Republicans are the same" is an argument pushed by Republicans to create apathy for Obama...period. Another thought is the "no difference" theory is for the lazy folks too dumb to research the candidates or pay attention to what they say and do, so since there's no difference, I'll just stay home.
fastfeat @ 111:
This is one of the few times I'm glad its not High Def!
woody, tokin librul @ 105:
Of course the system is to blame. But humans set up the system. And if humans wouldn't sell out for nothing more than a nicer house and a few more cars then their neighbor, we wouldn't have a problem changing the system. And it's not about competition. Yes, there are eugenic bastards trying to manipulate us at every turn. And even if we can rid this planet of them, there will still be morons who think they have a right to rule us. A God given right. Most people who are moral beings who only take what they need do not want to rule. They do not want power. They simply want to live in harmony with the world around them. The people that run our country and try to "manage" our planet are NOT these people.
I guess Iran is off the hook, didn't hear much if anything about it in that speech. So now we are back to focusing on Afghanistan again. There was that part in the middle where we blew the hell out of Iraq. I guess that was just target practice or something but now we have to get back to blowing the hell out of Afghanistan again.
Every time bush repeats that old and tired line about terrorist killing innocent people to promote their own ideology, I wonder if he realizes how ironic it sounds? It always comes just before or after he has hammered away about promoting liberty and a democratic governments in these areas.
fastfeat @ 111:
That would be a huge winner for both Bush and Palin, to be sure.
lj @ 114:
No kidding! His forehead looked like he had a run in with some poison ivy or a gang of wasps. What the hell were all those lumps?
I gotta give my husband a nod here. When he came home last night he said, "So what did Mr. Potato Head and Madam Moose have to say today on the campaign trail?"
Instincts are a good thing if you have diebold in your pocket....
Seriously, all the Dems have to do is to do two adds with ordinary people...
One with McCain talking like Grampa Simpson stuttering about the price of oil (which he has no clue)
The other with Palin saying that thing about not knowing what a VP does
Then an ordinary person saying "Gee, I don't think this is good enough for my country I'm voting for Obama/Biden"....
And play this thing over and over again til people get it...
Joe loves the Dunkin Donuts.
Charles @ 90:
Someone needs to explain to the media that math is commutative.
If we take 8,000 troops out of Iraq, and send 5,000 into Afghanistan, we're really only taking 3,000 out of Iraq. Because we're certainly not brimming with fresh new boots stateside.
Have you ever noticed how, in movies and television, when a cop says :"my gut instinct says he's guilty" they're usually proven right but ,in real life, when a cop says that some poor shmuck is about to be framed. George Bush world cop.
Bush reminds me of General Custer as portrayed in Little Big Man. In one scene Custer has discovered Indian guide Jack Crab coming into his tent to assassinate him but losing the nerve; Custer then decides against having him executed since that would involve reversing a Custer decision:
pissed off patricia @ 118:
One can get bad acne from doing lots of coke or meth, or so I've heard...
pissed off patricia @ 118:
Dems are so freaking WEAK-LAZY
Let's get some fight, some hustle, some excitement already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She's on again and within one week she's worn out her speech. She's running for Governor of Alaska. The crowd has heard it Moosepalin!
Time to call Bush's speech writer for a tune up. Did you get your cook a new job? And please, oh please stop the screeching!! My ears hurt.
The women who are swooning over Sarah Palin embarrasses me as a woman. WTF do they see in her? She's just a sarcastic woman with what would appear to be average or below intelligence. Are they so desperate to have a woman in the white house that they would be willing to settle for this one? If so, that's sad.
Hillary had more drive, will, spark, fight then both Obama and Biden combined come on guys let's get freaking with it!
Wow. Epic fail to almost everyone on this thread.
I posted a simple question earlier. What was Biden's position on two issues.
The answer, which either nobody knew or bothered to post, was that he was against Telecom immunity. And yes he voted for more funding. In other words, it was a fairly balanced question. (He'd get my vote for the telecom immunity alone.)
What did we get as answers? Inane drum beat responses. The sort I regularly insult Republicans for providing. The sort that go, "Yeah, well, what about YOUR candidate, and THIS?"
You know the sort I mean. Republicans used to answer every single sex scandal with "Well Bill Clinton got a blow job!"
It's tired. It's not an argument. It's mindless inane noise.
Small props go to Erroll @ 58. He didn't answer my questions, but he did at least recognise the BS retort it got, and called that poster on it.
John @ 130:
We believed you were just as capable of using "the google" as any of us.
Blah, blah, blah! My question is, where in the hell is Biden as McBush and Palin beat the hell out of Obama? In fact, where are all the other Dems? Fucking cowards!! Watch. They're going to let him go down in flames without lifting a cowardly finger to help him.
Freddy Knuckles @ 132:
My question is, where in the hell is Biden
Jacking off apparently.
They cut off Obama's speech on education for another McCain/Palin maverick love feast!!! If they don't cut him off I'm going to be really pissed! Sorry
Patricia.
John @ 130:
didn´t know i was being graded... welcome to john college... anyway, he voted for the war...
lj @ 134:
That's okay. There are enough reasons for everyone to be pissed, and everyone should be.
My tv is on in the kitchen and I'm on the other side of the house, yet Palin's voice carried all the way in here. Hers is like the voice that won't go away.
Anybody ever wonder why Mcsame didn't pick S.C. Senator Linda Graham for his VP pick?
The GOP admits that Palin is not equipped for the job, if she was they wouldn't be "not allowing" the press any access. They will probably allow FOX to "interview" her with some stacked softball questions.
The Internet will win it for us.
Right sure it will.
And to hell with white women too. They went from supporting Obama by 8 percentage points over McBush to supporting McBush by 12 points.
"Heeheehee. I used to support Obama because I really think our nation needs his kind of leadership right now and he does stand for everything I believe in but I think Palin's glasses are cute so I'm voting for McBush now."
Oh well, if women are the deciding factor in this election and they help McBush win, you can count me out when it comes to fighting for women's issues ever again. They can go back to the role of subservient housewives as far as I'm concerned.
136 : Pissed off Patricia:
We believed you were just as capable of using “the google” as any of us.
I don't buy it PoP. Assumptions abounded (such as I was a republican troll, or that Biden in fact voted for the immunity) but they don't excuse the empty blather.
By the time election day rolls around, Joe Biden will have hammered Bush's total incompetence into our heads -- just like Bush hammered Abu Musab al-Zarqawi into our heads.
lj @ 134:
I wasn't watching the clock, but it sure seemed like McPalin got MUCH more camera time than Obama. Fair and balanced?
Watching that event on MSNBC, I've finally become worried about our chances winning this election. We totally blew at least 3 days of the convention with no real hits on McCain. We took Biden, who I like, but brings more negatives to the ticket than positives. Meanwhile McCain has hit the enthusiasm jackpot with Palin.
Jesus Christ, do you know how many "ordinary people" out there who don't follow this crap day to day think about Palin. They absolutely adore this chick and will vote for her for such petty things. ARGH!
Freddy Knuckles @ 139:
if that poll is acurate, i´m goin´gay...
......Oh well, if women are the deciding factor in this election and they help McBush win, you can count me out when it comes to fighting for women’s issues ever again. They can go back to the role of subservient housewives as far as I’m concerned.......
Agreed.
pissed off patricia @ 136:
Sorry to keep pushing this but by the end of her re-speech my cat's ear twitched and she got up and left the room. I should have done the same but I'm looking for one new, constructive thought from Pale 'n Mac.
McCain pulled this election out of his ass people. He motivated the base and "fired up" the Republicans. They're all taking a second look. It doesn't matter that they're lying. The people like to be lied to. (Bush anyone?) They also like straight short answers. Also, look at the demographics who vote. McCain knows this. He needed the "lunch bucket voters" she gets him these people. Her husband is a steel worker, she's a working mom. All you need is people to relate to someone. To say " wow, she knows what I'm going through, I have 5 kids!" Doesn't matter if she lives in a mansion or not. It's what is perceived.
Obama is in trouble. He has to fire up the base. He has to hit back, and hard. He has to dumb his answers down for people. Not everyone understands his answers. He has the youth vote, but they cut and run and don't show up to vote, minorities ditto. It's easy to register to vote and say you will, but come Nov 4th, there better be people driving around neighborhoods and ringing bells and driving people to the polls.
I see people getting tired of this. On with the debates already, and also time to get some really hard hitting commercials as well. Being too nice means you get walked on.
Chris Gamble is a worried Democrat @ 143:
Well Obama's supporters absolutely REFUSED to let Hillary on board as VP.
And Rove is capitalizing on it.
Live and learn the old saying goes. (The hard way)
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