Howard Kurtz: I can't believe all of Obama's positive coverage
By SilentPatriot Monday Sep 08, 2008 7:00pm
After a mini-rant about how the "liberal media" has lost all sense of objectivity this election cycle, Lou Dobbs invites media "critic" Howard Kurtz on to "set him straight." As anyone who has watched/read Kurtz over the years knows, he couldn't agree more.
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DOBBS: It is, I think, a fairly safe assertion to put forward that the national media is liberal, it's biased and this year, at least to me, and as an advocacy journal, I can say these sorts of things here on CNN, I think they're missing a lot under the veil of objectivity and the impulses of something less than objective, at least in my view.
Let me turn to you first, Howard, just as a matter of straightforward fact, I believe, the fact of my opinion, anyway, I believe that the national media has revealed a lack of objectivity unprecedented in campaign coverage.
KURTZ: If you look at the last year and a half, Lou, I've never seen so much coverage and so much positive coverage of a presidential candidate as Barack Obama has gotten up through the overseas trip where some of the coverage was just gushing. In recent weeks, I think there's been a little more skepticism in the coverage, not because of any ethical re-assessment but because the race has tightened which makes poll-driven journalists wonder well what's he doing wrong. Why isn't he leading this race in a democratic year by ten points?
You're right, Howard: I can't even begin to imagine how many voters Obama picked up while having to defend himself from accusations by the media of being a secret Muslim who hates America and won't say the pledge of allegiance. Is this guy freaking serious?
Glenn has a great post up about the "liberal media," which he sums up thusly, borrowing a line from Duncan:
"Your liberal media: no liberals allowed."
Recommended reading on Kurtz at "The Daily Howler".
KURTZ JUMPS INTO THE TANK: Howard Kurtz is deep in the tank as he begins today's report. You'll rarely see a reporter recite a political party's line quite the way Kurtz recites the GOP line as he opens:
From the moment Sarah Palin stepped onto the national stage, she was mauled, minimized and manhandled by an openly skeptical media establishment.
That lasted six days. By Thursday morning, after a speech in which she chided the journalistic elite, the previously obscure governor of Alaska was being hailed by many of the same media gurus.
The media's tattered reputation has not fared as well, not after the frenzy over Palin's mothering skills, her baby and her pregnant teenage daughter.
Truly, that's quite a statement-and it's the straight Republican line. Palin was "mauled and manhandled by an openly skeptical media establishment," Kurtz says. But go ahead! Just try to find Kurtz's support for that remarkable statement...read on
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There is no liberal media.
Advocacy journalism = Bullshit artist = Lou Dobbs
Dobbs and Kurtz are full of it.
If the media were truly doing their job, they'd be all over Palin's myriad lies, obstructions and scandals.
They're all in the tank for the corporate GOP. Fuck 'em all.
The "liberal media" is a tired shibboleth -- and perhaps the most persistent and pernicious myth there is.
I gotta stop coming here. I read all this shit about the Cons and I end up getting so pissed off that the urge to go out and find some Cons to beat the shit out of becomes too overwhelming.
Must have been a scary thing for Kurtz, seeing himself twenty years older in Dobbs.
enough to make the average person hit the bottle big time.
Howie Kurtz ("the Whorer, the Whorer") was always near the top of the list at (late and lamented) MediaWhores dot com.
Have you seen the McCain ad? The one about Obama teaching your kids about sex?
It is the sleaziest ad I have ever seen. McCain has raced straight to the bottom of the sludge of the lowest sewer.
BigIslandDave @ 3:
Theres supposedly tens of millions of dollars floating about in RNC friends slush money for 'on message' journalists,
not to say these pair of morons imbibe, but explains a lot about some of them out there.
Kurtz? Where have I heard that name before. Oh Right. Heart of Darkness. The horror. The horror.
if the media was truly liberal bush and cheney would be impeached
billo wouldn't have show
make a list....liberal in media.....wing nut in media
could you imagine a football game called like sean insanity calls politics...if sean insanity and joe nut job were on the same show would they be able to get a word in edgewise?
Well let's face it. The young voters are going to make this election. Most Baby-boomers and old timers are going to McCain. What gets me angry is the women voters. Do they honestly believe McCain is an advocate for them? Do women think Palin would vote in thier favor? This is depressing.
MSNBC went black here in Central California Comcast just in time for Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. Anyone else having that problem? I know Comcast hates MSNBC and has moved it off basic cable for much of the country.
When you are an advocacy journalist as lou dobbs describes himself, then there is no objectivity because by the very description you're pushing bullshit, pr spin, propaganda, etc... Advocacy journalists work for public relations firms. Journalists are extinct. Probably due to global warming. If you don't tow the party line your boss turns up the heat and your ass is out on the street in the cold looking for another job. I know by personal experience. A news director told me once in a meeting when I questioned him as to why the station didn't do investigative journalism, that we just report the fires and train wrecks. Within a week, I was out of a job.
BigT @ 7:
ties in with the cartoon of Obama (with a club) in an Abortion clinic dumpster finishing off the survivors.
And theres also a CGI type picture of Obama bashing a babys head against a wall.
These are being spread around by Free Republic types, they are playing very dirty, its magnitudes below what the DNC are doing or combating.
BigT @ 7:
The Buzz...
It doesn't matter what yoiu say. If you can get the other guy on the defensive, you're winning. the sheeple say they hate it (and if were to be percecived as an uppity black dude going affter a white war hero and a hockey mom, it might be deadly) but it works--at least for the Pukes. It's worked for 'em ever since Willie Horton--or Carter's "lust in the heart" even before that...It's the lee atwater--now the karl rove--effect. You may detest it, but it is NEVER EVER EVER gonna go away...
SO, DIms, you fucknutz, you gotta get GOOD at it.
Cuz when you're denying, you DYING!!@!@!
If Palin was born in the U.S. but of Mexican decent, Dobbs head would have exploded.
Peter G @ 9:
I was going to type something along those line,
but Dobbs looks like Kurtz, and Kurtz looks like the other one, a confusing world :|
Compared to Hitler, Mussolini was a liberal. That is about the range of the MSM as well.
Lou Dobbs is an Independent??? Bwahahahahahahaha. Clearly Lou is in denial.
Oh, and his new dentures blind me every time he opens his frigging NeoCon mouth.
BigT @ 7:
In Alaska, they have hands on sex education.
woody, tokin librul @ 15:
It allows people to moralize their greed and support the people who enable this.
'I'm all right Jack'
as I said earlier, when will Lou Dobbs be forced by independant voters to wear his GOP colors while being dragged in the streets by a giant elephant?
Abraham Jackemoff @ 20:
Strange people the Republicans, they farm out their kids to strangers when they (Repugs) are too busy working to bother with them, and nature happens.
Lou Dobbs, advocacy journalist, is pronouncing the death of journalism (hannity saying the exact same thing) . . .I wonder if the rise of advocacy journanlism has played a role in "death of journalism" or is his career and the death of journalism just a co-inky-dink?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." - former CIA Director William Colby
I can't listen to these people.
You have to concede that there is a bias in the media. Depending on what you're watching. The "F" word news is about as neocon friendly as it gets. MSNBC clearly more liberal. Here's my big beef with people arguing bias, facts are facts. Currently we have Palin's lies and hypocricies that are not open to debate because they are facts and can be corroborated. The bias against reporting on them accurately and then being able to suppress the continuation by the right wing to spew them is an atrocity. You can debate things and discuss bias over issues such as being ready to serve as president but not the facts. Lou Dobbs....what an asshole. Get over yourself and your little tantrum on bias. Bias exists and has always existed. It's just never been discussed openly before. And you sir are a biased towards conservatives so shut the @#$% up.
MattHughen @ 24:
The least he could do is plug Greg Palast's excellent journalism.
The "operative bias" is conflict?
I would contend the operative bias is $$$$$.
"News" will put out what makes them money.
People are facinated with differrent things, but SCANDAL is something that relates to most.
I agree with the "niche" comment, MSNBC has a liberal niche, and FOX has a conservat........right wing nut niche.
However, I think one of the reason that the right think there is a "liberal media", is that:
1. there seems to be more "scandals" involving republicans in general and,
2. a scandal for republican (Larry Craig, Ken Foley, etc.)
is not always a scandal for a democrat (because they lack the hyprocrisy in many cases).
That results in a net higher "scandal count" for republicans, everything else being the same.
A good book: What Liberal Media by Eric Alterman.
He convincingly debunks the whole myth of the "liberal media", and also points out how the Republicans are constantly "moving the goalpost" of what is liberal.
If you haven't already, check it out.
Peace.
MattHughen @ 24:
In Dobb's own words...Let me turn to you first, Howard, just as a matter of straightforward fact, I believe, the fact of my opinion, anyway, I believe that the national media has revealed a lack of objectivity unprecedented in campaign coverage.
emphasis mine.
Wtf is the fact of my opinion supposed to mean?
Kurtz goes on Glenn Beck and does this BS too.
Hey Dobbs, Kurtz, If the media is liberally biased, I guess that makes you two dishonest sacks-of-shit bleeding heart liberals, doesn't it? I mean, you two clowns are both accurate representatives of just exactly what it is that the media is, right? Fucking lying, neocon propagandists.
BigT @ 7:
New McCain Ad Falsely Suggests Obama Wants Kids To Learn "About Sex Before Learning To Read"
If you haven't seen it GET OUT YOUR BARFBAG and then click here:
YouTube: Education
And remember:
"I'm John McCain and I approve this message."
Howie Kurtz is a known liar. He may even have fabricated web sites to corroborate his dishonesty.
liberal media theory: giant media corporations are engaged in a protracted and heavy handed strategy of advocating liberal ideology . . .a liberal ideology which necessarily advocates for the reduction in the power of giant corporations.
in short liberal media bias means giant corps are actively working against there own bet interest. . . . right.
its interesting that people believe that its impossible that there's just not alot of bad stuff to say about Obama. all they can "dig" up on him are all stuff that OTHER PEOPLE have done. thats the only source of negative press for Obama, believe me the media is "trying" to be "balanced", they have to really stretch to get enough dirt on Obama out there.
In my previous post at 29, I guess Foley is not a good example, since he was not just homosexual (or bi, whatever), but he seems to have been a pedophile.
Let's use David Vitter instead.
Oh, and sometimes (even if I preview) I post stupid things like "one of the reason is" and then go on to list two.
Du'oh.
If this wasn't so tragic it would be funny. McCain accuses the media of bias and one or two brave souls challenge that the rest bend over to prove their unbiased nature by fluffing for the Republicans.
Abraham Jackemoff @ 28:
i agree about palasts work. from what i know, its generally excellent and factual.
Lou Dobbs is a nauseating blow hard.
"Mr Independent" my ass.More like Mr Fat head Racist Hand job.
I Love the Howler!
The media is nutz
MattHughen @ 35:
Excellent way to put it, perfect!
I had no idea Dobbs was such a tool. All this time I've only thought of him as stupid.
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ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 5:
either don't come here or you appear to need some serious therapy.
Proof positive that if any parents out there are paying college tuition to have your child major in "Journalism" -- stop payment on the checks now. It's a scam. Journalism as it as evolved is no longer a real profession, and no longer demands a college degree.
Orangutan. @ 25:
Shows their poor judgment, theres an awful lot of the MSM people out there, not worth their salt.
I find its worthwhile doing a quick mind game, would you hire this person for your own company, many times the answer is NO.
Freddy Knuckles @ 4:
Breath ... breath ... tell yourself - "it's almost over, it's almost over, it's almost over."
I - on the other hand - am going to have a stiff drink to help me resist the impulse to bang my head against the wall.
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dadams @ 44:
Kurtz looks like a younger Dobbs, that would scare me big time, if it was me.
The age old test, look at your future MIL.
Guitar Man @ 42:
thanks! but i wish my spell cheker wus werking . . .
Next the will say the media is sheltering Obama from Sarah Barracuda, the pitbull with lipstick.
Democrats continue to be weak because this Rove Republican tactic works:
Attack them where you are weak.
You are old and your opponent is inexperienced? Select someone young and inexperienced!
You select someone who is for earmark pork! Accuse your opponent of being for earmark pork!
You are an establishment politician and your opponent is for change? Say your opponent is not for change!
If the USA survives another 100 years, people will realize how brilliant this tactic is. It bamboozles everyone. Your core supporters will always support you, perhaps more. Everyone else will be scrambling to answer YOUR message. YOU OWN THE MESSAGE. YOU WIN!
McCain has won this thing as of now. Prove me wrong.
The MORE McCain's gnomes try to pass fiction for truth, the more you realize Obama has struck a nerve.
Liberal media,my ass.Taken from the mouths of two bigoted white males their spew is laughable and a dead lie.The so- called liberal media got us eight years of Bush;two wars for oil; a Supreme Court with a majority of theocrats; a dread economy;a Justice Dept. full of crooks; a government of cronies that are lining their pockets; a government that tortures, and spies on its own citizens;and possibly John McCain and a lying, scheming creationist nincompoop. I can`t believe I used that word.
I keep wondering where I`m going to live if McShame and Mc Lipstick get in.
They SPUN IT AGAIN! God, they are so gooood! Sooooo smoooooth.
Ever notice the constant use of "negative" terms ALWAYS used in a sentence to describe democrates, or located somewhere in the background, in a banner?
The ALWAYS use "positive", reinforcing, terms, catchy words, a lot of beautifull staged backdrops, whenever a republican is being shown or mentioned, with some sort of good news in the banners below.
They are truely the "masters of deception", the barker of barkers.
Rico @ 45:
Journalism was never a profession. No journalist has a license to practice. There is no governing body and of course, no ethical standards that must be adhered to at the risk of their non-existent licenses. They are "professionals" to the same degree as professional athletes; they get paid to do it. Like athletes they perform as expected or they are out.
Here I am again with my opinion. You know me, I'm the one who refuses to give money to mainstream media. I don't believe in funding the enemy so I don't have PAY TV.
Howard Kurtz? Who? Isn't that the name of the bad guy in "Apocalypse Now"? Kurtz?
Hmmmmm
You know all these guys are insane, right?
qustoneer @ 54:
their teacher
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 48:
this country has taken a reverse turn to just about everything today......
showing affection to someone in public has become an assault
telling the truth is an insult or slander/liebel
trying to date (a man with a woman) then this sexual stalking.
telling a lie is just spinning
wtf is wrong with this country..?
people will only defend the Constitution as long as
it favors them personally.
Yellowbird @ 56:
Insane as in living in a Repug money infused reality, yes they are.
fuck howie [repug operative] kurtz!
Maybe Dobbs and Kurtz should talk about the Federal defiicit and debt which are spiralling upward.
The end game of all of this will be determined by money.
American tax payers will end up with increased taxes , which they will reject, or a stagnant or non expanding economy.
Forget the patriotism routine. The troops will have to leave Iraq and then Afghanistan.
Bush/Cheney etc. could have bought out Saddam and his idiot sons and any other bimbos for say $ 10 billion( OK $ 20 billion) . Just saying.
Why are Kurtz and Dobbs so dang "uppity"?
The only way either one of these clowns could walk a mile in anybody else's shoes would be if they got their chauffeurs to do it for them.
dadams @ 58:
I defend the Constitution and the ideas behind it, and the Bill of Rights, and the English BoRs circa 1690ish, and the Magna Carta...
Because it is a worthwhile thing to do, people are people, all equal, all deserving of happiness, all deserving of life liberty and freedom.
Its the moral thing to do, as the Rand corp found out in their games many years ago, 'win win' is the only logical choice.
What we liberals need is our own meme to counter conservitive meme 'Liberal media bias'. I've been trying but as far as I've got is '*wiped media'. As this is both obscene and quite sexist it just wont do. Does anyone out there have any ideas?
The right and corporate America must really be in a panic to have created such a blitzkrieg this week. All the segregates are out in force and are attacking from all directions. They're making things up out of whole cloth so fast, it's hard to keep on top of them. Just like the quote from Apocalypse Now, "The bulls--t piles up so quickly, you have to have wings to stay above it." Obama has got to stop just being defensive. There simply is too much s--t to shovel.
It's time for to see some major attacks from our side. It's time to attack McCain at his strength. Don't go after the straight talk part of his lying, but how lying is a disgrace as a military officer. He's opened the door talking about honor and the military.
I know that military academies have rules about lying. Most will expel a student if caught. What about the military? Do the Marines have any such rules? I think it might be time to attack McCain on the grounds that for an officer of the United States Military, lying is dishonorable. To be dishonorable, dishonors all those in the military.
I'm sure someone mentioned it already above, but it is easy to see why the mainstream media pundits think the coverage of Obama has been tilted positive. It's because of the higher-than-normal number of negative stories swirling around the Republican ticket (and Republican incumbent).
Of course Obama has been scrutinized. Of course pundits have dismissed his background. Of course there were several weeks when the MSM spent most of their time on Reverend Wright. But compare that to Bush-McCain-Palin. It seems to me that their big mouths and occasional lies have invited all the negative coverage.
"I didn't hear anything about $4 gas."
"I said thanks, but no thanks to the Bridge to Nowhere"
"The Original Maverick"
"I think — I’ll have my staff get to you...”
The lop-sided scoreboard is the GOP's own doing. They keep screwing up. It takes the MSN days to catch-on, but they have caught-on to the lies of McCain & Palin.
Jim Daniel @ 64:
Five military industrial corporations own pretty much all the media in the USA.
They own the news outlets that channels the war propaganda to enable the wars which generates big profits for the MIC.
M.M.W.P.M = Military Media War Profit Machine
'Military Media' maybe
where is this so called liberal media??
is it the liberal media who buried the lewinsky scandal?
the same one who kept quiet and failed to report on the swift boat lies??
is this the saem liberal media who never followed up on the rev wright scandal?
or is it the same liberal media who failed to question the governments lies about why we needed to invade iraq? and still don't ever truly hammer them on the fact that the goal posts have been moved so many times even the administration is no lomnger sure where they are.
or is it the same liberal media who are now fawning over palin??
Howard Kurtz looks like a Jewish Count Dracula.
When are the damn debates?
Freddy Knuckles @ 4:
Damn, Freddie,I can empathize with you.I`m tired of all this depressing shit.It`s like watching Leonard Cohen`s song Everybody Knows come to life.
Ollie North and Faux in Afghanistan and the civilian deaths, they got caught out lying the other day.
KURTZ: If you look at the last year and a half, Lou, I’ve never seen so much coverage and so much positive coverage of a presidential candidate as Barack Obama has gotten up through the overseas trip where some of the coverage was just gushing.
Eat shit you partisan hack. Gushing coverage? All they did was report and show footage of how well received Obama was in Germany. Just because your butt boy Bush has to bring the largest security detail in modern memory and is universally hated and jeered where ever he goes is no reason to have a hissy fit you irrelevant dinosaur of a loser. Don't forget to eat that shit I offered you a few lines back.
They [news reporters] report on the news that everyone is "gushing" over Obama and suddenly they're liberal.
News Flash: Turn off the cameras and microphones and everyone is STILL gushing over Obama!
I'm so sick of people like Dobbs playing the victim card to spew his own conservative filth and promote lies, lies, lies. Then again, he's owned by the "liberal" media [cough].
Makes a whole lot of sense there Lou....
The biggest thing that pissed me off about Lou Dobbs is that when Judy (WMD) Miller went to jail, we heard nothing but whining and crying from Dobbs about poor lil' Judy rotting in jail and nothing about her background as a White House propagandist. As a Canadian I had to read all about her pushing of the Iraq War in the Times through other sources.
And Dobbs calls himself a journalist??
norcal @ 10:
OK, do it.
Left....Left Leaning...Centrist (asif such a thing exists)...Leans Right....Far right
1.) MSNBC Joe Scarborough. Right. Held office as Repub. Acts like a fascist on his shows.
(Feel free to pile on here)
I remember in 04 when Kerry was giving a speech live and Daren Kagan was the host on CNN. After about 5 minutes they moved on to something else. The next day Bush was giving a speech and they covered the whole thing. I wrote to CNN and asked why they weren't covering Kerry's speeches in full. The response, crickets. CNN has no room to talk about about bias in the news. Will we see more of the same this year? You bet. Lou's show was another farce. There is not a left wing media. There was only 2 of dozens of newscasters that had a left wing slant. One, K.O. and the other Matthews, and I'm not all that convinced about Matthews. He will switch in a heartbeat.
Jim Daniel @ 64:
"Fox News Syndrome"
"liberal" is to media as "compassionate" is to conservatism...
Lou Dobbs thinks the Democrats and the Republicans are equally bad. That's all that needs to be said about his world view.
2.) "Tweety" Matthews (Leans Right) Has a brother running as a Repub. Stated comments about Bush 'everyone pretty much likes the guy', thought he should've been on Mt Rushmore.
MountainMan23 @ 33:
Thanks, I'm trying to lose a few pounds and that just killed my appetite.
There ought to be a non-partisan, publicly funded, independent TV/radio show that takes all controversial statements made by politicians and government appointees and does the same thing to them that the Urban Legends Reference Pages web site http://www.snopes.com/ does. Imagine being able to go and check the facts behind any statement made by partisan politicians.
One can dream.
Tyler Durden @ 79:
Amen, Brother
ape-man @ 80:
Nope, he thinks the Dems are the anti-christ...
Ron @ 77:
Tweety loves Republicans. Especially ones with a swagger and the right after-shave.
BigIslandDave @ 85:
... and don't forget cod-pieces. He is a sucker for the right kind of crotch-stuffing.
Fuck Howard, he is an idiot, just like Lou.
Ask the tool why the media has handled Sen. McCain with kid gloves.
Jack @ 87:
The problem is that they think we are the idiots and the trolls keep proving their case.
One of my co-workers was complaining about the "liberal media bias" not long ago. I asked him to give me an example. His reply was that it was "all over the T.V., newpapers, and even the movies." I asked him again to give me even one example. He couldn't.
surfjac @ 88:
They're afraid of giving him a heart attack?
Freddy Knuckles @ 90:
You should have beat the sht out of him.
Freddy Knuckles @ 4:
Well, I know how you feel but go out and try talking to them instead. It's much less emotionally satisfying but ultimately has more potential to accomplish something.
Ron @ 77:
Didn't Daryn Kagan use to date Rush Limbaugh?
I think that your estimate of 2 dozen of newscasters with a left wing slant is off by a factor of 4 IMHO.
It is funny how the media is so "liberal" and yet in my neck of the woods (a blue state) I can literally go from end to en of the AM dial fully pack of right wing hate radio. Not a single liberal talk host, not a single one. In order to hear one, I have to either tune in to internet stations or satellite radio.
Liberal media my ass...
Conservatives: 1984 was not an instructions manual, enough with the newspeak bullshit.
The Reverand Wright BS was positive like the Michelle Obama being proud of America was positive 24/7 for over a week each? These reichwingnuts are fascist pigs and belong on FAUX comedy channel.
Tyler Durden @ 94:
Yeah, she did date him. Even as bad as she was, she still dumped him
Liberal media?
The election should be about truths, not lies.
Can we find some strong sources for: Shortly after becoming mayor of Waslia, SP had blown it so badly that a recall was in the works. So the "machine" decided to hire a city adminstrator to DO THE JOB FOR HER. She couldn't even handle BEING MAYOR.
I'm having a visceral reaction to this person. Take a city with a balanced budget, and rack up $27 million in debt. Go out hunting (I'm okay with hunting, it's the hunting in between her obviously intense work schedule). Try to fire the librarian for leaving books in the library that are offensive to some based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Get a job position disappeared because you don't like the work. State that the founding fathers put "GOD" in the Pledge of Allegiance so it should stay there. Fire the Police Commissioner. Have such a negligent relationship/parenting philosophy that a daughter is PREGNANT.
I heard a speech where she was so proud that she'd dismissed the Governor's chef. Put him out of work, possibly with a family to support. And, of course, when there are official functions that require FOOD, there will be caterers to pay - undoubtedly for MORE than it cost to employ the chef. Maybe they have Blackwater come in and cater.
No abortion for any reason. No more Roe v. Wade.
And did she really say "So Sambo beat the bitch"?
Sigh.
Ron @ 96:
Maybe the pressure of having to compete with underage Dominican boys for Limbaugh's affections was too much?
MikeD @ 93:
I used to think like you, and then I discovered that I was having higher success rates conducting logical arguments with inanimate objects like the wall or an artichoke than with some of my conservative acquittances. So I gave up...
Life is too short to waste it with silly endeavors like trying to reason with the fascistii IMHO.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 63:
I enjoy hookers and cocaine because it's a fun thing to do.
notsilent @ 97:
Ditto to everything you said. This is one filthy mouthed woman who they do not trust to answer vetting on her own. The problem still remains with the fact that McSame wanted someone else on the ticket but the James Dobsons of the party caused him to cave. What will he do when K Street comes calling? Oh yeah, K Street is running his campaign.
Dobbs calls himself an "advocacy journalist" so what's his beef? Labels? He took the low road in his career and is stuck in his own sociopathic world. He just can't stand it when anyone disagrees with him (enter Kurtz). He should be manning a lighthouse somewhere in the world where the population is 1.
Republican strategy for campaign success:
1. Lie during stump speeches.
2. Lie during television & radio appearances/interviews.
3. If/when someone calls you on the lies, blame the "liberal" media for reporting it, and use the reporting of the lies as proof that the media is liberal.
4. Accuse your democratic opponent of lying, and blame the "liberal" media for not calling them on it, and use the lack of reporting of your opponent's "lies" as proof that the media is liberal.
5. Repeat as needed throughout political career.
Tyler Durden @ 99:
ROFALMAO- aBSOLUTELY ON THE MONEY.I live in Cincinnati and worked for Kucinich in 2004.People just looked at me like I was insane when I talked about Peace.I really don`t care what people who don`t care about peace think.They`re already dead.
ldzppln @ 103:
And some of them can't count above two, apparently.
sully18 @ 104:
USC sent me an online poll via email today that I answered. It gave me a lot of joy responding to the question, "Who did you vote for in the primaries?"
To which I answered in the "Other" field: Dennis Kucinich
i went over to CNN and left a comment for lou dobbs.
it's a good thing i don't live near him because i would drive by his house every day and throw dog turds on his lawn.
woody, tokin librul @ 15:
Sad, but so true.
McPale's Navy @ 106:
He was the only candidate worth a damn this election cycle.
One of my conservative acquittances said that Kucinich was too "weird looking" to be presidential. When I pointed out that McCain's perennial "doing the robot" stance and "crypt keeper-like face" was also quite weird, he started to spout abusive rhetoric heralded with the quintessential "how dare you?"
That is why I simply tune off possible engagements with conservatives, it is not the lack of mental power but their pervasive hypocrisy that pisses me off... as I said, life's too short.
Tyler Durden @ 79:
Well said.
Funny, we haven't heard much of that "compassion" from the "conservatives" this time around, though...
Kurtz is a coxcomb, Dobbs is a fool. But they represent the moronic media that passes in the USA for journalism. Now I see where McCain's camp is "outraged" that Obama would use a "lipstick on a pig" reference so soon after St. Sara used one to describe herself. Isn't McCain the same "man" who called his wife a c*nt in public? (Oh, I forgot, when he was in prison as a P.O.W. he didn't have any c*nts to think about, or houses, or whatever.)
Time will tell if these 2 idiots -- Kurtz and Dobbs -- represent a renewed trend in "journalism" to bleat the Repubican line to the detriment of truth, justice and the Democratic Party. No bad news surprises me anymore.
Tyler Durden @ 79:
amen
karen marie @ 107:
don't do that. mexicans do lou's lawn.
CNN has been in the tank for along time--totally cowed by the reich wing machine. But, they might cover some real news.
Unless the Democrats stop playing defense and come out swinging with some absolutely true revelations about McCain and the Barbie, they are at the mercy of KKKarl and friends. Respond, yes, but get ahead of the news cycle. For instance, if the Dem leadership would ever accept the fact that elections have been manipulated, they might cover the many shady things going on in Florida right now to suppress Democratic registration. Or, what did happen in Ohio in 2004? And I don't want to hear that "sour grapes" self-denial. Or how about the many lies McCain has told this week? And this has been used in ads, but repeat and repeat how many lobbyists work for McCain and who they are and what they do and who their clients are. Just as the lies get through with frequent repetition, I'd like to think the truth can do the same if SOMEBODY, ANYBODY would say the same thing again and again and again.
UMMMM these guys are on every night....and i mean every night.....
not to mention beck and hannity and orielly and buchanan...
they are trying to get people mad at msnbc.....this is nothing but faux news style commentary.
cnn is really going down the tubes.....i can't believe some of the headlines on their website some times.
and they dickhead think they have the right to sit their and say that the media is liberal. well excuse me but i dont think
i see and LABOUR NEWS AND SUPPORT on any of the networks EVER!!!!
so lou dobbs and howard kurtz.....please come to my town so i can take a piss in your coffee.
Kurtz: "In recent weeks, I think there’s been a little more skepticism in the coverage, not because of any ethical re-assessment but because the race has tightened which makes poll-driven journalists wonder well what’s he doing wrong. Why isn’t he leading this race in a democratic year by ten points?"
The reason, Howard: HE'S BLACK.
Tyler Durden @ 84:
Yes... very strange behavior for an independant, considering what's been going on in the White house and the whole republican party the past few years. I mean it should be obvious to this guy that the republican party is profoundly sick and needs to be shut down for re-tooling before more damage is done, and a Bush replacement doesn't even come close to acomplishing this. It's actually pretty creepy. Maybe he's being extorted.
ape-man @ 117:
Why are you giving Dobbs the benefit of the doubt? He is no independent period, he is a republican. End of story...
Tyler Durden @ 109:
I feel the same way.Holidays are rough for me cause I have to listen to my idiot cousins spew their vile shit.I remembertThanksgiving 2003 when Bush took his trip to Iraq with the Plastic turkey.It was "Cousin Orgasm Night." When I found out about the plastic turkey is was the best Christmas I`ve ever had.
All the hatred spewed by the rightwing, all the hacks such as Kurtz and Dobbs criticizing the "liberal" media, and all the Republicans could manage were fairly tiny majorities in Congress between 1995 and 2007, one stolen presidential election and another that was won with the thinnest margin by an incumbent in decades.
Those motherfuckers have done a lot of damage, but think about how thin their margins of victory have been for most things. My god, Reagan didn't get away with as much as they have, and he had presidential mandates. Speaking of which, maybe we should use the Gipper's catch phrase in 1980: "Ask yourself, are you better off now than you were four/eight years ago?"
Anyhow, it comes down to (1) the media, and the fact that if they were doing their job--which is to be objective and unbiased--we'd be coming to the end of President Gore's second term, and (2) the fact that fundamentalist "Christianity" is big business and thrives on white people being taught that Jesus hates queers, Muslims, and liberals.
How do we kick the teeth out of those two monoliths? Seriously. I have faith that there is a way, but I'm lost as to what that way might be.
Sean @ 116:
Also the same reason why Dem's don't seem to be able to win election sites counted by Diebold et al.
Check where Rasmunsen, dogby and Gallup CEOs put their money.
Tyler Durden@118
"Why are you giving Dobbs the benefit of the doubt? He is no independent period, he is a republican. End of story…"
Thanks for your post We think alike.
I feel the same way.Holidays are rough for me cause I have to listen to my idiot cousins spew their vile shit.I remembertThanksgiving 2003 when Bush took his trip to Iraq with the Plastic turkey.It was "Cousin Orgasm Night." When I found out about the plastic turkey is was the best Christmas I`ve ever had.
Seriously, what is it that makes these rightwingers not give a damn about their country or their countrymen, but only about being on the "winning" side? I can see millions of Americans voting against their own economic self interest this November, choosing McCain and his middle class tax "cut" over Obama's substantial middle class tax cut. It's like they honestly don't care about ensuring that society becomes better off. It's an idiot's form of fascism, Italy in the 20s, only without the fine clothes.
Some of these people honestly have a superiority complex, honestly think they are a master race of sorts. In reality, the most vociferous rightwingers I see are typically fat slobs of middling intelligence. Sweet Jesus, if you are going to portray yourself as a master race, at least dress the part and hit the gym twice a week.
Dobbs must have missed the last two elections. Bush got a total pass from the media, while the media allowed him to trash his opponents. Dobbs is no independent. He obviously favors the Republicans and obviously is anti-Obama. He throws a jab at Obama every chance he gets. Oh yeah, he criticizes the Repubs on occasion, but it's pretty obvious they are his favorites. He's not fooling anyone except maybe himself.
P.D. @ 11:
Here's some info related to your comment. I went the Socrates Cafe (a philosophy discussion group, for those who aren't familiar) earlier this evening at my local library, which is in a very white, upper-middle class community in Montgomery County, PA - just outside Philadelphia. There were 9 white people in the group, 5 women and 4 men, all baby boomers, ages ranging from 54 to 72. There were 7 Republicans, who said they usually always vote straight republican, and 2 independents. Every person said that they had already decided that they will vote for Obama/Biden.
The two basic reasons they gave: a) Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and will apply good judgment when making decisions, especially regarding foreign relations and the economy; and. b) they didn't really like McCain, but there was no way they would vote for Palin, who they said "has no business being a candidate for national office, let alone Alaska."
Not a scientific survey, but needless to say I was very surprised by the level of their resolve to vote for Democrats.
independents my ASS , dobbs and kurtz are showing themselves at the talking points loyalists that they are.
let there be no doubt....this is not just some causal observations by two "journalists"....this is calculated and orchestrated.
because otherwise it makes no sense.
Dobbs:
Hello. This is Lou Dobbs. If your an illegal immigrant, I hate you. The press has a liberal bias, it's a fact because I say so. Here to refute me is Howard Kurtz.
Kurtz:
The media has a liberal bias
Dobbs:
Howard, you don't hate Mexicans enough.
Kurtz:
I've been saying all along, that Matthews and Olberman are part of a left wing conspiracy and should not be spouting their pro-homosexual agenda on a major network like NBC.
Dobbs:
Is that why Tom Brokaw doesn't hate Mexicans. In fact, in my humble view, Tom Brokaw is an illegal immigrant and may be spreading leprosy to good tax-paying Americans.
Kurtz:
Lou, all I'm saying is that Fox, ABC news with Mark Halperin, and to a lesser extent CBS all are extremely objective and offer no bias toward any candidate. Ever. NBC and the NYT should be brought up for treason. This is all common sense.
Dobbs:
Good to have you on the show tonight Howard, however I must say that as a matter of my humble opinion, which by the way is proven fact, I think you are waaayyy to liberal in your view of the press and you don't hate illegal immigrants nearly enough.
Kurtz:
Thanks Lou.
Dobbs:
I am God.
{Deleted, I won't let you spam the site and all the threads with this. If you continue, there's nothing I can do,except ban you . SiteMonitor}
Teddy Phuf @ 127:
You so fucking rule is not even funny! LOL
If we ever take down corporate fascism in this country, these lying bastards in the MSM should be tried right along with their criminal republican friends (and the blue dog democrats), for conspiring against the American people.
dobbs is one of those lazy uninformed trad media talking heads who needs limbaugh and hannity to prechew the GOP talking points earlier in the day or week or month to 60MIL americans so he doesn't look so absurd/stupid. the immigration issue is a perfect example.
Howard Kurtz looks like he inadvertently had a banana stuck up his tailpipe. Perhaps he sat in Bill Kristol's chair.
I wonder if he understands the words he is parroting from the Repub think tanks. I would hope today's stenographers at least have the ability to understand what they repeat. Otherwise, they may as well be replaced with parrots - a lot cheaper and without the petulant attitudes.
cheesesauce @ 1:
The MSM is undeniably run by liberals. What confuses people is the fact that the MSM is run by liberal REPUBLICANS - perhaps the very last of that dying breed. The corporate owners of the networks and the great publishing chains are culturally liberal, educated people who look upon the racist, sexist homophobes of the far right as if they were walking talking pieces of dog-shit - and this attitude shows up in their coverage. These same culturally liberal, educated people will always use their power to elect Republicans because the Republican Party is for cutting taxes on the wealthy, corporations, estates, capital gains, etc. and also is opposed to enforcing business regulations and prosecuting white-collar criminals: positions which - for the culturally liberal Republican elite - trump reproductive rights, education, race relations, etc. every time.
It's sad, but it's true.
Howie Kurtz - The king of conventional inside the beltway "wisdom" and defender of the right wing.
joeedugan @ 133:
If this is the case, what about Sarah Palin? She is a pure social (not fiscal) conservative. The antithesis of the liberal Republican. And yet Howie Kurtz and the rest of the media is practically worshiping her.
Not to say you are wrong, since it could be nothing more than the media is too inanely stupid to realize what kind of person Sarah Palin is. Or it could be that they have been completely whipped by the GOP into submission.
rev wright, rezko, empty suit, no experience
ya...he got a free pass
fuck you kurtz
Otay @ 135:
The MSM is committed to getting Republicans elected - for the reasons which I've previously stated. They probably think that Palin is an unqualified fascist lunatic, but they definitely will not even imply such until after the election is over. As a general rule the MSM ridicules social conservatives, but they tend to change their tune during the election cycle.
It's of course patently untrue that Barak has been treated so well by the corporate media. But if he had it was because HE IS LIKED and good, and people want to see someone with intelligence not powermad warring attitudes running the country.
The media did not impregnate Palin's unwed teenage daughter.
How's that abstinence education working out, Sarah?
Did you teach her to hang out with horny hockey players, "hockey mom?"
WTF? I couldn't even watch this after reading the first few lines of Dobbs' idiotic dribble.
I hope the polls are wrong becuase they are calling linelines and speaking to all the idiots who sit around and get their information from morons like these. Please God let there be an upswelling if thinking people who will go to the polls and elect Obama/Biden!
Sorry to say, the well sludged, dung filled wheels of the Repukelicans is now in full of shit and slime mode. We Democrats will fall again to the ignorant MFer's of this country. And to all that vote for McSame/ Poltergeist, you can go to hell. When the bottom falls out of our country,, wave your flag and then stick it up your ass. You stupid,red-neck, neo-con, war mongering bastards, racists, me only s.o.b's. are beyond belief. Enough said but directly to the point.
What a couple of dickheads.
These two characters shouldn't even have a job in the "news" media, nevermind a voice.
Here's what I can't figure out about Lou Dobb's. Lou is always slamming the unfair free trade agreements, outsourcing and says he supports the middle class and the working man, yet he is clearly against Obama and he's pro McCain although Lou say's he's an independent. McCain stands for everything Lou say's he's against. Even McCain is more pro-illegal immigration than Obama is because McCain won't go after the companies that hire them. He just wants to build a fence. So I think Lou must have gotten new marching orders from above at CNN a month or so ago because he sure changed his attitude against Obama in a hurry.
I disagree withall three. the main stream media is conservative. To prove this, Olberman and matthews were taken out as anchors in political coverage. Perhaps because they would ask McCain or Palin to show evidence that the plane was sold on ebay for a profit, which palin & mcCain both state over and over.
Then you have 90 percent of all talk radio conservative and the other ten percent for sports and what else (including liberal, independent, etc.
When I see the out right falsehoods and the media see no reason to present the facts. The media wants to allow falsehoods for some and therefore ruins its own credibility in doing so.
For 2 years the press have ruthlessly scrutinized Obama. @ years. Flag pin, muslim, white-black, fist bump. Asking the question day in and day out, "does Obama love his country" or Why does Obama want the troops to die?
It puts McCain on to further spread the falsehoods while boasting of himself.
McCain gets the golden slipper disvcussion Obama gets his patriotism questioned. Then after the patriotism questioned interview they spend 3 hours posing falsehoods of Obama.
did anyone else feel like throwing up for that entire segment? dobbs is so stupid, and that fact that he is so rich and powerful makes me hate him even more.
populist?? my ass. he's an asshole.
and kurtz? man, what a pansy ass fucktard.
i'm sorry, i've had a few drinks, but these types of retarded discussions make my blood boil. and with that crowd of college republicans in the background. what a crock!
i was hoping that someone would have barked with laughter at dobbs's claim that the media is biased....
sorry, that the media is liberal....
when someone says the media is liberal, i imagine they're saying, "the earth is flat."
it's so unbelievably stupid...
serious.
why do people say such crap? the media is liberal??? why? because a few outlets actually do their fucking jobs and ask tough questions?? christ, by those standards the british media would be like the fucking gestapo! they ask really tough questions all the time. has anyone seen that bbc interview with john bolton? case in point.
Watched BBC America the other night. They presented a more than in brief passing storytell of the atrocity in Afghanistan where there is strong evidence of American USAF sky terrorism having killed many civilians who likely were innocents as well.
During the course of that same day/time span CNN and MSNBC coverage was nothing like the BBC presentation of this story.
There is something very,very wrong in and with how American media is operating. The result of this state of affairs well seen in the header for this comments thread.
Not sure anything could ever improve until the masks are taken away and the behind the camera set contouring and pre-cast spin throwing gets a full light of day look over.
Ultimately the money streams flowing into American politics and American media must be seen as obscene and a perversion.
Americans are getting terrible outcomes from the current arrangement where politicians must shake out very large amounts of contributions in order to buy political adtime in American electronic media. The main media outlets then must play silly 50/50 fair and balanced games so both American political parties come across as being viable and reasonable in what they are trying to sell.
American political parties are bastions of insider trading and gaming. Clearly the retention rate of incumbents in race after race points to this. Big American media like CNN or NBC are cashing in every two or four years on American money politics.
The result of all this? Not good. For Americans. For the rest of the planet.
Where is this wayward process careening? The last near eight years of WashingtonDC mis-rule point to where.
Is there any hope of things getting better or improving anytime soon? Not likely.
What is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan for Americans is a version of the coal mine canary taking place.
American blindness and just plain stupidty now at root of why Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Israel/Palestine are what they have become for Americans.The peril of this being so is large and very real.
That this so called American hyper power could/would field someone like Sarah Palin for Vice-President who surely is a product of Karl Roves politics shop is a frightful place to have arrived. And fully illustrates just how hollowed out John McCain has become.
Considering what G.W.Bush has done or done not since 2001 a red light is being run. Run recklessly. Run wantonly.
Racism on a different level - if Dobbs had some sort of perspective on American history, even N.American history he might have a .....well he really doesn't have a plan ....build a big wall...well, after we throw all of the immigrants out... let's even throw out some of the others.... well, just the ones that I think we ought to...we have aliens who want to sell drugs.... taking over the southwest....quit buying foreign oil.... drill, drill, drill....What else do you want to hear?
When you consider the way that some of these "journalists" have attached themselves to Palin's hindquarters like leeches or lampreys, I am surprised she hasn't passed out due to lack of blood.
Is unaccountability the new standard for Republicans? Is it now high treason to question the royals? And they say Barak and his supporters are out of touch....
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