Virginia county issues "chilling" voter registration report
By SilentPatriot Monday Sep 08, 2008 1:00pm
Officials in charge of voter registration in Virginia seem to be asking for Federal investigation... According to this press release from this extremely important battleground state, students are being told that they risk losing their scholarship and tax dependency status if they register to vote in their college, as opposed to home, state. And surprise, it appears all these warnings are bogus and have one impact and one impact only: to suppress voter turnout among college-aged people, who are overwhelmingly supporting Obama this year. Memo to Virginia: that's illegal.
Last week, Virginia’s Montgomery County, home to Virginia Tech, issued a press release regarding proper protocol for college students registering to vote. In interviews with Inside Higher Ed Tuesday, it was described by turns as “unsubstantiated,” “chilling,” and (more generously) as not “incredibly encouraging or friendly.” Read more...
It reads, in part: “The Code of Virginia states that a student must declare a legal residence in order to register. A legal residence can be either a student’s permanent address from home or their current college residence. By making Montgomery County your permanent residence, you have declared your independence from your parents and can no longer be claimed as a dependent on their income tax filings — check with your tax professional. If you have a scholarship attached to your former residence, you could lose this funding. And, if you change your registration to Montgomery County, Virginia Code requires you to change your driver’s license and car registration to your present address within 30 days.”
Sujatha Jahagirdar, program director for the Student Public Interest Research Group’s nonpartisan New Voters Project....[said] “For a county registrar to issue what really are in our experience unsubstantiated warnings for a particular demographic is alarming,” ... “It’s upsetting that this is coming up in Virginia. But it’s even more upsetting that the ability of young people to vote is questioned in many other states too.”
She added: “In 25 years of registering young voters around the country, none of the staff has ever heard of a single incident where a student has lost their tax status or their scholarship because of where they’ve registered to vote.”
I wonder why Montgomery County election officials would lie about the ramifications of registering to vote? Does anyone else smell a lawsuit?
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This is what I worry about.
They can't win a fair election, what do you expect?
But they wave their flag and talk about defending our 'democracy'...
Republicans will lie, cheat, steal and kill to advance their aims and goals.
They're scum.
We're already in a not-so-civil war, folks.
I read yesterday, that with the current shenanigans the GOP has managed to stop over 6 million possible Dem voters off the lists.
This country is fucked, when the average idiot cares more about their right to bear arms than voting.
WE KNEW IT WAS COMING.....
we must fight this!
the right is scared and desperate...stuff like this is their only hope
If anyone receives information that may question their elgibility to vote for any reason, contact your local democratic campaign office or other democratic offices.
The fix is on.
Shows how scared the bedwetting Reslugs truely are with their alzheimer McBush and their trashy, inexperienced, pick for VP.
As I recall, the AG of Virginia is a hard core Republican who got elected in the same election as Kaine won Governor. I remember thinking this AG would try to suppress the vote. So I am not shocked. Maybe there should be a DOJ investigation.
Oh wait ............with today's DOJ it would be more like an "infestigation"......
At least we know one thing - VA really is up for grabs, or they wouldnt be so worried about it they have to cheat.
this is just the tip of the iceburg
oh well, the fix is in
and oh look...palin is a high class whore
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-palin-fundraiser,0,42...
but for 50k, i would want that bitch to at least slob my knob
How about we just fire the ass hole who sent the notice and make a specticle out of him/her nationally as an example of what will happen to the next facist who tries to pull the same neocon ploy.
I smell KKKarl Rove... stinks like old skunk!
Idiotic and moronic but far from "chilling."
Stupid is a better term to use then "chilling".
BigIslandDave @ 3:
Democrats are the same. They are just better at hiding it.
Democrats AND Republicans = $9 trillion in debt and counting.........
C&L, you should also give more attention to Greg Palast's reporting (he was the one who broke the story of the stolen votes in Florida in 2000). Apparently hundreds of thousands of people from numerous swing states are currently being disenfranchised, not just Virginia. This could very well make or break the election this year (again!).
http://www.gregpalast.com/
What is being done here and in other states? What can we do now? What will the MSM do about it? Or should we just give up, and assume the pose?
exposethetruth @ 15:
I am an independent, but care to point out how the democrats have scrubbed the list off rich white males (i.e. potential GOP voters) en masse?
I am enraged at how stupid the Republicans seem to think the majority of the country is.
I am sickened at how well it works for them.
And more easily hackable 'voting' machines...
http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/09/09/1426246.shtml
Required @ 2:
You're right. But they really mean "their Democracy".
Isn't issuing misleading, incorrect statements malfeasance or misfeasance at a minimum? Hopefully student activists (don't expect Obama or DNC to act) will call for the an investigation of the Registrar.
exposethetruth @ 15:
Troll alert. Hey troll, F.U.
"Chilling" is when you need to keep the house at 60 during 40 Below winter wind chills because you can't afford the heat or even upgrading your house to make it more energy efficient.
Virginia county issues “chilling” voter registration report
They're going for the rapper vote?
lj @ 17:
The M$M is not on our side, they have been for the better part of this generation. So we should stop expecting them to do anything, period.
As for the people, if they really cared, what they can do is written right there in the constitution: right in between the 1st and 3rd amendment. Alas, the common gun nut used the noble pretext of "defending our rights" to shield his need for owning a penile extension. So... I will not be holding my breath on that one either.
Basically, McCain will steal the election, and the common American idiot will have to get a 3rd job just to make ends meet. But, I am sure that being able to vote on American Idol is worth the while...
Brian @ 19:
Welcome to the club.
Gee I wonder who is spreading that little jewel around? As if I have to ask. But hey if you believe the polls, Granpa McBush has gained popularity since naming Palin as his running mate. Speaking of her and I'm sure everyone here know this... she went from being a baptized Roman Catholic to being a baptized Pentecostal and attends evangelical services. A Pentecostal who comes from a Roman Catholic background is usually a conservative on steroids. Pentecostals are hardcore end-of -the-worlders', complete with the Antichrist, pestilence, fire and brimstone. The Government is way broken now...the last it needs is this kind of influence in the White House. Too damn scary.
The differences between the parties is the Republicans are always being caught covering up scandals, and the Democrats are always caught in scandals under the covers.
Fortunately, usually with the opposite sex
And appropriate age range.
Tyler Durden @ 18:
Care to elaborate with links?
L.A. Confidential @ 27:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB_2oIKUVks
How can they do this? This makes me want to vomit.
As long as Mac and the Moose eat Barbecue at local stops they seem to be gaining momentum.
Just what we need, another stolen election.
I just hope to God that people will finally challenge this if the GOP succeeds...
L.A. Confidential @ 27:
I think they'd let me in only as a valet or a caddy.
SouthTxMan @ 32:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-emQAsGMeQ
ysbaddaden @ 35:
I'd probably make "associate janitor" at best.
Just a nitpick:
The headline is correct, it's the county causing the problem, not the state. Other counties are far more enlightened on this issue than is Montgomery. However, the comment about Virginia's AG is on target, since he's the one that will likely determine whether there's any follow-up.
Bottom line: Virginia as a whole is no longer the Old South. If it were, George Macaca Allen would be our junior Senator.
Every once in a while I think that the American voter is not that stupid and uneducated to fall for these tricks any more and then I remember the last 8 years.
Ron @ 23:
I know...........truth hurts, doesn't it?
Wake up sheeple, this two-party dictatorship has played with everyone since day one.
Let's get an independent in there and see what happens.
Jesse Ventura or Dennis Kucinich (only democrat fighting for the truth), take your pick.
we need to take the kid gloves and sue these people into the next century. make a example out of them. Karl Rove type tactics are successful because so many of the "little people" feel empowered or are even recruited to pull this kind of crap. this is what emboldens crooks like Bush & Cheney. Bush & Cheney never caged any voters, they just sent letters of thanks and advocated promotions for the little people who caged voters.
we need to tackle this kind of lawlessness the same way the GOP approaches the drug war.
whoever was responsible for this needs to be sued into the next century, and jailed if possible.
Tyler Durden @ 4:
Got a link?
Phantom @ 16:
Not to mention caging serving Iraq soldiers ...
Dr. Palast! Paging Dr. Palast ...!
SouthTxMan @ 32:
The Media is mostly to blame. You turn on the tube or whatever and everyone but Obama is apparently running for President. Or trying to rule the world in someway.
Ron @ 23:
That bullshit "no difference" argument IS a troll point.....don't bother voting because there's really "no difference".....Repuke voter suppression ploy.
Charm City @ 1:
The fixes are being installed while the Palin distraction has us looking at all the wrong things. NPR announced Friday that Diebold has admitted to problems with there voting software that drops votes (usually democratic) and is in the process of going out to all of their machines in 35 states effected and installing the new fixes. You don't think they would be putting in the new results of the November 4th elections do you. Hmmmmm
exposethetruth @ 40:
The only thing that will hurt in this election is if anyone pays attention to you and your idiot followers.
RayC @ 39:
Hey if they work hard at a job someday they too can be an Ultra Wealthy Republican!
If you can apply for a passport from your legal as opposed to home state, then you can also register to vote.
exposethetruth @ 40:
I don't think Dean and Pelosi will permit that. Once they get Obama out of the way then these two can box it out the next election in 4 years.
Jim Wilson @ 38:
Fellow Virginia resident:
Did you recently get a robo-call from John McCain telling you he'd be sending you an application for an absentee ballot?
I did. And maybe 10 days later the application arrived, from John McCain.
Nothing illegal, but somewhat sketchy.
Lunch Over
Back to Work
Remember Ohio, exit polls taken at sites with paper ballets were extremely accurate and for Kerry but exit polls taken at electronic voting sites were also for Kerry but the votes somehow went to Bush. It can and will happen again if we aren't diligent in our resolve to stop them.
Here we go again!
MountainMan23 @ 51:
I would be checking to make sure that it is a real ballot or application.
This could backfire on them throughout the country. College students are pretty tech savvy. This news could speard to every college in America by noon Pacific time today.
Young people do not like to be told what to do and they dont like being lied to by adults with ulterior motives.
Wish I were back in VA to vote. But VA Tech is pretty conservative -- this might not be such a bad thing...
whya re ALL of my comments suddenly 'awaiting moderation' ?
I see no keywords or links on them.
[I sent an email to the addy you provided us. If it's fake, I guess you didn't get it-The Fascist]
exposethetruth @ 40:
If Jesse is an indie ,why was he at the repugnics convention?
Aside from everything else, this being Virginia, they'll have to prove they're not Maccacan.
exposethetruth @ 40:
Jessie Ventura? Hahahahahahaha!!! He's never done shit himself yet has all the answers but won't tell anyone what his solutions are. Jessie's macho B.S. worked well in the movie "Predator"....remember this famous line by Jessie, "I don't have time to bleed!" LOL.
Left&Left @ 60:
Fkn hero worship B.S. Why don't they just write in Ronald Reagan.
BigIslandDave @ 3:
You said it, Dave! Time for everyone to wake up and look around them. The lazy, hazy days of "summer" are over, folks!
right on! @ 13:
Add a whiff of George Allen.
Jo @ 63:
Phewww!
fascists, fascists, fascists....but that's why they win.
exposethetruth @ 40:
okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ill take the koochhhhhhhhh!
Crimes like this should be a minimum 20 years of Hard Labor, and anal buggering every night.
So, has anyone in the Country gone down to the Registrar's Office and demanded to speak to someone about it?
Anyone who's been around for the past 8 years knows it's not the issues, not healthcare, not home mortgages, not minimum wage, not social security. It's not ethics or morality. It's not Obama rising above the fray. It's not the fact that McSame and Palying playing fast and loose with the truth.
It's purged voting lists, voter suppression, 'faulty' voting machines...It's the election...and it's already over.
Where's the DEM CONTROLLED Congress on this? Where's Jim Webb on this? What ever happened to the Sheldon Whitehouse Bill that addressed caging by state parties? Last I heard, it was still sitting
in Feinstein's committee.
Geee - I would think these flag-waving, "Pro-America" Republicans
would see clean voting as a part of this Democracy we want to encourage
less Democratic countries to follow. Well the world is watching and what
they are seeing is the Party of power losing its control of the hearts and minds
of the Neo Majority of Americans.
There needs to be a call to Criminalize voter suppression to the Nth degree - this is really an act of
treason and the only real punishment is by firing squad. Anyone known to have
purged and votes of Americans should be put to death. Restoring the sanctity of the Constitution
should be on every American's agenda.
I am a graduate of Virginia Tech and this happened to me 25 years ago!! I remember one of the questions was - are you self supporting?- !! I lied and answered every question in a way that would qualify me to vote there. Bastards. Montgomery County backwoods closed-minded rednecks.
Dems lost because they actually believe elections are about issues...and that the public will realize it. Hah!!!!!! That's why we lose more often than not when issues confront the "fear factor" of the Republicans, OR, when the Republicans can frame the election as being about only ONE issue, i.e.,
drill now! (hah!).
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 11:
It really reminds me of barkers at a circus, these republican politicians. As each day passes and more stupidity comes out, I see that the gop views the American public as shills in a game of power, greed, and pure unbiased fascism.
Wow...so they are starting to try to steal the election already? I guess we should thank them for doing it early enough that it could be caught and, hopefully, remedied before the election. Please...let's all do something to try to stop it. I contacted my local DNC office and volunteered to be a poll watcher...to make sure that people who want to vote, get to vote. We need people like us...who know that they do this...to step up and closely watch what they are doing to try to stop them from stealing another election.
Don @ 68:
EXACTLY!!!
http://mcdemocrats.org/index.php?option=com_contact&Itemid=3
Here is the link to contact the Montgomery County Democratic Chairman. Perhaps we need to encourage them to get out onto those college campuses and spread the truth.
With no way to audit the voting machines, they can and will be rigged. Again. And again.
But hey, our democracy isn't worth the trouble...
Ron @ 47:
Lemme guess Ron, you watch alot of MSM, don't you?
video released showing electronic voting machine hacked
if we lose on this type of activity i'm done with politics
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Video_shows_how_electronic_voting_machines...
exposethetruth @ 78:
No!
exposethetruth @ 78:
"..........since day one." You got a link for that?
Northwest Washington @ 46:
So then push to go back to paper ballots... everyone needs to push for that in their local areas and let it go outward from there...
Left&Left @ 60:
Give Jesse Ventura ballot access and a chance to debate them then he'll kick the sh*t out of the two puppets going for the presidency.
Reslugs are sooooo good at bowing to their non-religious whores in their sick party.
Stevio @ 12:
How about fire and jail for fraud and terrorist activity's
exposethetruth @ 78:
If I lived in a state that was so blue that the Dems didn't need my vote I would consider supporting a 3rd party candidate, cuz this country desperately needs 3rd parties.
But:
#1) I don't so I won't.
#2) 3rd parties have to grow from the grass roots up, not from the Presidential Election down. Start putting Greens into your City Council and State Legislatures. Then, when one of them catches fire, push him/her up to the House of Representatives. That's the route to take to get a 3rd Party started in this country.
"By making Montgomery County your permanent residence, you have declared your independence from your parents and can no longer be claimed as a dependent on their income tax filings — check with your tax professional. If you have a scholarship attached to your former residence, you could lose this funding."
This is seriously such bullshit. You *ALWAYS* have to include your parents address and income when applying for financial aid. because they can still claim you as a dependent.
exposethetruth @ 83:
Someone like a Jesse Ventura is a danger to our Democracy. He is a loudmouth (as is yourself) and not too bright. Anyone who would champion a person who would do bodily harm is a bully.
We can expect a lot more dirty tricks like this, especially in Virginia, newly a swing state that has been red for so long that Republicans wield a lot of power in official positions.
Republicans like to confuse voters because when you obfuscate the rules, people who are minority, young, or low-income voters are more likely to stay home - voters the GOP doesn't think will vote their way.
Rich, older, white folks are more likely to have money and time to throw at getting themselves registered, despite confusion and challenges. But the single mom working two jobs doesn't have time to drive to three offices just to get herself registered, when she's not even sure her registration will go through in the first place. Busy college students don't usually have the know-how or time to contact their insurance companies to ask about voter registration.
Check out this story about confusing mailers being sent to black neighborhoods in Dallas.
With Ohio essentially split down the middle right now, you can bet your asses that we're going to see this type of shit.
This makes me want to puke.
Well, The Obama campaign better be on this. The Campaign has a lot of email addresses for these students and can draw attention to this nonsense in a very big way. I sure hope they are on it!!! Information information information. If you are a student be sure to tell everybody you know about this. Thank god for the internet tubes. Everybody here has to send at least one email to somebody they know who may be affected by this. If you think somebody else will do it you are wrong.
So, will MSM pick up this story and run with it? Will we see it in BIG BOLD LETTERS in the NYT or TIME or Newsweek? Will BillO talk about it? (yeah right, that'll happen). Look whenever something like this happens it needs to be SHOUTED FROM HIGH ATOP EVERY MOUNTAIN ON EVERY MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET. Chances are MSM won't because they can't risk telling the truth and losing all that advertising money from the GOP-supporting dirtbags out there!
I don't want a lawsuit.....I want to win the election. This is how the Repubs do it.....cheat. Argh!
So the New Christianist's point of view is it's ok to be immoral if the family can afford the consequences finacially(unless you are part of the Spears family)? I guess Christ did specify that you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house. He didn't say anything about mansions. But there was something about the eye of a needle and a camel.
They stole the 2000 election. They stole the 2004 election.
Why would anybody be stupid enough to think they won't try to steal the 2008 election?
We're talking about the Republican mafia here. They have already rigged all the electronic voting technology so that "voting totals" are ridiculously out of sync with independent exit polls. Electronic voting experts have confirmed time and again that electronic machines are nothing more than a scam for whoever wants to hack them. The only solution is to return to paper ballots and hand-counting. No more hide and seek with unseen electronic bullshit. Even the optical scanning machines are total bullshit. How do you know your vote was actually counted? You don't, therefore the election is worthless.
Use paper ballots, or forget about clean elections.
rduke @ 67:
You are going to encourage the Republicans to try this more often if the buggering is part of the punishment.
Jo @ 88:
Explain please. Who's doing "bodily harm". Your nonsense, babeling rhetoric is dumbing us down. Anyone who upholds and protects the US Constitution is a true patriot not just Ventura, but several others (Kucinich, Ron Paul, etc). ".....danger to our Democracy" you ever heard of the "Patriot" Act and the FISA bill.....that, right there, is the true danger to our "democracy". "loudmouth", I'm only telling you what you don't want to hear and that's the truth.
The GOP will be pulling out all stops. Can't Happen Here.
ATTENTION ATTENTION>>>>>>>>> all students WHO HAVE PARENTS LIVING IN VIRGINIA OR NEVADA.....
two VERY IMPORTANT BATTLE GROUND STATES....... PLEASE REGISTER AT ONCE TO VOTE BY MAIL IN THE STATE THAT NEEDS YOU THE MOST !!!!!
google on VOTE BY MAIL.... YOU STILL HAVE A FEW WEEKS TO GET IT ALL DONE ON TIME !!!!!!!
exposethetruth @ 97:
So are the republicans telling us what we don't want to hear without facts to back them up. Voting for Kucinich or Ventura is removing chances to win the election. As said before, you build a party from the ground up, not from the top down. How is a 3rd party president going to be able to pass any laws withou a 3rd party congress and senate. Answer that smart guy.
HELLO, ITS A RED STATE AND AFTER HAVING WATCHED THINGS OF THIS NATURE IN TEXAS WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? I THINK THE REGISTRAR AND HIS COMRADES AT THE COURT HOUSE IN CHRISTIANSBURG KNEW WELL WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND GLAD THAT THE FED'S ARE NOW INVESTIGATING AND WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THEY RECEIVE WHAT THEY HAVE COMING TO THEM. I THOUGHT IT WAS RATHER UNUSUAL THAT A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER ANOTHER STATMENT WAS RELEASED AFTER THE LOCAL PAPERS AND TELEVISION STATIONS BROUGHT THIS TO EVERYONES ATTENTION. GO VOTE THIS ELECTION FOR A CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN...........DEMOCRATS!
Captain Bitter Whiner Hussein Kangaroo @ 96:
This post is made of win.
SouthTxMan @ 32:
Nobody stops them.
exposetheTROLL @ 97:
Thanks for the truth(lol). Do you have any of Jessie's old Wrestling videos?
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
It's stupid, idiotic, and moronic when it's accidental or done from ignorance.
In this case I'd be *much* more inclined to believe that it's deliberate, slimy, and illegal, and that gives me the chills.
The Virginia RNC chairperson, Jeff Frederick, comes from my county. He's been ramping up voter fraud allegations, but the WP has called him on it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/03/AR200808...
Election officials say they see no evidence that those instances amount to anything more than isolated incidents -- the kind of thing that can and does occur in any state and in any election year. They see none of the "coordinated and widespread fraud" that Mr. Frederick alleges. Similarly, his charge that the Community Voters Project is tainted by a "documented history" of fraudulent registrations is unsubstantiated. Undeterred, Mr. Frederick warns of "poisoning the process" and "jeopardizing the integrity of our elections." In fact, it is groundless accusations and cynical fear-mongering such as Mr. Frederick's that are injecting the real venom, and the true threat, into the elections.
burnt at 87:
Not really. I didn't. Of course I was in my 30's the last time I applied for financial aid. But as I read my tax forms, even adults who are gainfully employed can be claimed as dependents if they receive gifts of a large enough amount.. And state lines don't matter much in that.
But I wonder how much of the claims are technically true. The driver's license thing seems plausible. It wouldn't be the only example of stupidly contradictory laws being used in such a way.
WE ALL LOVE A LITTLE BUSH @ 99:
Excellent turnaround on the strategy !!
Loonie @ 103:
They can also jam Dem get-out-the-vote phone lines on election day so that people who need a ride to the polls can't hook up with a volunteer driver.
Get caught and pay a modest fine a few years later, after the damage is done.
Nation of Laws .. and people who know how to manipulate & take advantage of them.
Left&Left @ 104:
No, but your mom can show you some of OUR old videos to you.
/See what you made me do, jackass!
exposethetruth @ 15:
republican = 12 trillion dollar debt in less than 8 years and if a civil war is what we need to get rid of these stupid republicans count me in.
Virginia Tech is square in the middle of Jerry Falwell country. Sounds like something the fine, upstanding GOPers from that area would do.
exposethetruth @ 109:
I saw that video. You're that homeless looking fuck who cleaned our backyard....we left you a peanut butter sandwich under the porch. It's still there in case you're hungry.
{ Knock it off. Both of you.I'm not in a good mood. SiteMonitor}
these kinds of tactics are sooo third world. seems like america is not only stagnating, it's becoming backward.
A really good article which talks about voter fraud from 2004 and should be read in full. Cut down to meet the fair use law.
One question I have is, how can they be tampering with so many states? Also, how come no-one's come forward with any evidence that can expose the people responsible? There must be a lot as this undertaking is involving a lot of people.
Exit Polls and Voter Fraud: A User-Friendly Explanation (Theft of the 2004 Election)
Exit Polls and Voter Fraud: A User-Friendly Explanation
by SEAN SABATINI
www.OpEdNews.com
Electronic voting machines were supposed to save us from the nightmare of hanging chads. The day after the election, a lot of Americans learned for the first time that most of these machines are owned by private companies who refuse to divulge exactly how they work; that computer security experts have been highly critical of them; that they’ve already experienced serious failures, and that many of them leave no paper trail for backup.
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Exit polls actually consist of a long list of questions about a voter’s choices and the various factors that influenced those choices. They provide a wealth of information for political strategists, and have long been considered an accurate gauge of the American electorate, as they poll actual voters, and are not influenced by assumptions or guesswork. And they have a good record of picking winners. In some countries, election monitors have even used them to help measure the validity of official election results.
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But this year, a couple of remarkable things happened. One, the results were leaked early, and spread throughout the internet. Two, the exit polls said John Kerry won. In the wee hours of the morning, the poll numbers were revised to better match the official election results. (How and why is another story.) But by then the damage was done. Accusations flew that the polls were right, and the electronic voting systems had been compromised.
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Sean Sabatini is an antiwar activist and writer who lives in Nevada. He can be reached at lasvegasantiwar@cox.net
Since the DoJ, FBI and so on will refuse to act, because they have become an organization of thugs, immediate remedies can be obtained in Federal courts to cease, desist and compel laocals to immediately put out correct information or facilitate voter registrations. federal judges have quite a bit of leeway to act and compel action. It sides steps the corrupt Justice Department and FBI.
I would advise ever American to verify that they are indeed registered, now and as the election nears. The GOPers are working to steal this election and they are going to do everything they can to criminally disenfranchise everyone that they can.
Be careful what you wish for.
The right-wing, fundamentalist, corporate-fascist, idiots will not like the America they are about to finalize with this, so-called, "election".
America is about to become ungovernable.
Send your idiot police and armies into the streets -- it won't help.
America's armies are already stretched to the breaking point. If you think you are outnumbered in Iraq, wait till you try to "pacify" New York, California or St. Louis, or most of the country for that matter.
The end of an empire is a long and painful affair which seems quite precipitous those in the middle of it, and is absolutely unstoppable.
America, keep going down the empire path and your end is as certain as it is STILL avoidable.
If the American media and the crooked Rethuglican party "let" you win this election there is still some hope. Otherwise, the crazy fundamentalist, Sarah Palin will be "right" -- the end is near.
maximum legal pressure must be put on those election officials immediately. then the local GOP talk radio blowhards will come to their rescue screaming about partisan pressure, the GOP public will go hyper accising dems of trying to steal the election, and nothing will get done.
Everyone seems to be up in arms over this as you SHOULD rightly be. But all this gloom and doom stuff is just distracting us and when get we all depressed and say things like: "it's all over now, the election is lost," we basically then lose our motivation and thus give up. Obama has repeatedly told us that this is about US. Now I trust him as far as how he is running his campaign despite some of the naysayers the rest is up to his supporters to be involved. I think he's got this. Here's some inspiration:
http://punditkitchen.com/2008/09/05/political-pictures-barack-obama-chil...
Ok, so let's get off this negative train people and figure our what WE NEED to do to address this issue! Anyone got some email addresses?
Keep your eyes on the prize. That is all.
cg @ 102:
This post is made of win. Win what ?
Apparently, there's also VOTER CAGING going on in Virginia.
From Susan Mariner (Deputy Political Director -- Democratic Party of Virginia):
"Another major concern is that people MUST be registered at their current address to insure that their vote counts. Every year there is a match done between mailing addresses known by the US Postal Service and the addresses at which individuals are registered to vote. Those individuals whose mailing addresses don’t match are sent a postage-prepaid and pre-addressed return card, sent by forwardable mail, on which the registrant may state his or her current address. If the return card comes back “Returned to Sender” because the person is not at that address or if the return card is not sent back by the voter within the time allotted, the voter goes on the “Inactive” list. The voter must then prove at the polls that they live at the address they at which they are registered. AND, more importantly, if the registrant does not vote during the next two federal election cycles, they WILL automatically be dropped from the voting rolls.
"I definitely recommend that individuals who haven’t voted in the last four years verify their registration status, and it’s absolutely critical that everyone’s address be up to date. A real problem is that because we are a swing state this year, there will be challenges to people’s voting status from our opponents. Everyone must be able to prove that they live at the address at which they are registered or they may be forced to cast a provisional ballot, which may very well ultimately be thrown out."
All the huge, massive, amounts of "worthless" paper money being printed up, skyrocketing interests tallyed up,... EVERY SINGLE DAY! To whom is the interest owed?
Costs of war(s)? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of military budgets? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of running governments? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of running for office? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of energy? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of living? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of taxpayers bailouts? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Costs of borrowing money? STAGGERING & RISING EVERYDAY!
Who are the ONLY ones, really getting ANY benefits, from all of this? Who is ultimately pocketing ANY and ALL the profits, the interests?
“Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws.”
Meyer Nathaniel Rothschild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers February 12, 1912. The following year, the USA subscribed to the ’services’ of the newly incorporated Federal Reserve, headed by Mr. Rothschild.
The ROTHSCHILD'S net worth? UNKNOWN!!!
They own "the" banks. They ARE, the unregulated, unaccountable, FED. There are less than a tiny fraction of nations, on the entire planet, NOT under their control.
They made monopoly corporations,..."NO BID".
Now, they have made the control of GOVERNMENT$,...a "NO BID" situation.
Enjoy the calculated SHOW.
Just STAY BEHIND THEIR BORDERS OF THE FREEKIN YELLOW TAPE AND GET RID OF THE FREEKIN SIGNS, THE FREEKIN VIDEO CAMERAS, AND YOUR FREEKIN "I GOT MY RIGHTS ATTITUDE"!....OR ELSE!
This is America, the land of 600+ concentration camps!
This is democracy, the land of put down the sign, get down on the ground (mace flyin in air, tazers flashing), and STFU!!! You are under ARREST under the provisions of the Patriot Act!
Only in America. The land where Enron criminals are "BORN FREE", and can make it to being IN CHARGE of, some of "the" ...HIGHEST OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT positions!
Crime DOES pay! Just ask your very rich, incumbent, "lifetime career" leaders, who know not how much they own. They rule till they drop dead.
umm... by who?
I would file a criminal complaint with the FEC.
Last time I saw this was Bethune Cookman College, Daytona Beach, FL, 2004. Same thing.
Wanna bet it's been happening all over the country?
Things are going swimmingly in good ole Palm Beach County: the (just voted out) Srupervisor of Elections has succeeded in losing 3,500 ballots in a judicial election that was decided by 17 votes. Nice job, Arthur Anderson. You can take a spot on the Wall of Shame next to your equally incompetent predecessor, Theresa La Pore.
I am for a fair election; no stealing our votes. This is for both parties.
Whether or not Obama wins this election all depends on the fairness of the count. The polls cannot be trusted because rarely are any of them explained with the methods used, questions asked, and sampling to which they were asked. Most of these polls are conducted by the coporate controlled media whose primary goal is to keep the appearance of a close election. The higher the cable snews can keep the viewer ratings, the more advertisement they can sell at a premium price. Of all people, Bill "the bloody" Kristol predicted Palin would be McCain's choice at a time few people outside of Alaske had even heard of her. The consistently wrong on every issue related to Iraq! Further, considering Palin is such a risky choice, how is it that Rove predicted that Palin would give McCain a 2-3 Points boost nationally in the polls. Look at the low attendance at the GOP convention. The polls are definitely not scientific and skewed.
The election is not close when you consider:
1) Barack Obama will probably pick up 85-90% of the African American voters.
2) Voters ages 18-30 are overwhelmingly supporting Obama
3) Record numbers of new voters are registering to vote in this election. Given the record crowds and enthusiasm witnessed across the country for Obama, you can't possibly think McCain is energizing these new voters
4) The majority of those who vote based on issues supportive of the gay community will definitely vote for Obama. (*Palin's association with a church that promotes the ability to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals through prayer is unite the gay community more than the marriage issue.)
These are large demographics that McCain simply cannot overcome UNLESS they have perfected the rigging of the election systems as well as tactics to keep votes from even making it to the system to be counted. This election will be won locally because unlike the previous two elections, the GOP machine intends on targetting the smaller states through various methods. It is just as important to pay attention to what Rove doesn't say as it is to pay attention to what he does say. I will leave you with a name, MIKE L. CONNELL. If you see him in your neck of the woods, your vote is definitely in danger.
There needs to be a nationwide campaign to squash this kind of problem. Life's hard enough, some students won't come out to vote if they feel threatened. Maybe a heavily advertised web site where credible info is easily found for all students.
Here is an update (pdf news release).
http://www.montva.com/departments/vote/downloads/20080827_nra.pdf
The individual who gave the students the wrong information was E. Randall Wertz, the Voter Registrar.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/09/03/voting
Here's his webpage:
http://www.montva.com/departments/vote/
The ACLU has filed a complaint against the Registrar's office:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1576710~Va__Registrar_s_guidance_prompts_ACLU_...
We cannot underestimate the lengths to which the Powers That Be will go to in order to keep the status quo. And make no mistake, the "status quo" is working perfectly fine for them.
There is no doubt in my mind that there are people in power who will literally kill to keep their hold on the Money Pot.
Ron @ 23:
Thanks Ron! I couldn't have said it better...
Mike In Milwaukee @ 126:
Excellent idea! Set it up, Mike... I'm certain some of us can give you a had with that too.
right on! @ 130:
er ah, not "had", but "hand"...
I really wish you guys would stop saying "it's illegal" and just file charges. If it's not illegal, get even by caging millionaires at their second or third home address, or Christians at their church summer camp.
But we've had years of "it's illegal" followed up by sternly worded letters, and the bad guys win.
Patrick C. Taylor @ 119:
Does this apply to (m)Ann Coulter too?
MountainMan23 @ 107:
THIS is what I want to see! Thanks to both of you commenters...
One possible saving grace... college students tend not only to vote more liberal, they also read blogs, like this one, where they will find out pretty damned quick - and spread the news - that someone is trying hard to hoodwink and cheat them.
Which may have the effect of galvanizing a few politically lazier students now angered by being played for fools to get out and vote.
No brownie points who'll they'll be voting for.
We should all keep in mind that if the Repubs can't win the old-fashioned way (getting the most votes), they'll cheat.
In swing-state Colorado, the Republican Secretary of State conducted the biggest purge of voters in history, dumping a fifth of all registrations. Guess their color.
In swing-state Florida, the state is refusing to accept about 85,000 new registrations from voter drives – overwhelming Black voters.
In swing state New Mexico, HALF of the Democrats of Mora, a dirt poor and overwhelmingly Hispanic county, found their registrations disappeared this year, courtesy of a Republican voting contractor.
In swing states Ohio and Nevada, new federal law is knocking out tens of thousands of voters who lost their homes to foreclosure.
Listen to Greg Palast speak with Thom Hartmann at the bottom of page:
http://www.gregpalast.com/obama-doesn%E2%80%99t-sweat-he-should/#comment...
So investigate for cripes sake. When I turned 18 my dad made me vote. He didn't tell me who to vote for he just made me vote. I don't want anyone to ever be denied a vote the way I've watched it be denied in the last two elections.
Northwest Washington @ 46:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
I volunteer as an election officer at a local polling place. In our training last month, we learned that anyone can vote for the president/vicepresident on Election Day, so long as they are eligible to vote. They do not have to be "registered" to vote anywhere. This only applies to the president's race, and, of course, the ballot would be a "questioned" ballot but would still count. Apparently, this is some obscure national law that most people don't know.
Virginia Tech is where I went to college and living in the county I can say that it's one of the more progressive counties in southwestern Virginia. That being said, there are alot of redneck backwards extreme stupid right wing people that live there. Because of this you end up with decisions like this story listed. I won't jump to the conclusion that it was intentional to get mccain elected, though it feels that way, but I will say that it was definatly pure ignorance and stupidity to publish this type of false information to the student community. The damage has already been done but I hope that it can be corrected for future elections and the word can get out to a usually intellegent student body that just because you register to vote you won't be penalized in a battleground state. GRRRRR Virginia and GO HOKIES!!!!
Perhaps the Montgomery County Registrar had the intent of helping students preserve funding for their student loans and scholarships which may be tied to a residence in their home state or reminding them their parents may receive a tax deduction by claiming them as a dependent.
This advice does not prohibit them from voting. In fact it reminds them they may wish to secure an absentee ballot if they are away from their home voting district.
FYI, I have attached Virginia voter information. As per Federal Law, states have the authority to conduct elections. This authority Includes electing the delegates to represent the state at the electoral college
The following is from the Virginia State Board of Elections.
" Registering To Vote
Who can register to vote?
Where can I get a registration form?
Registration Deadlines
Completing the application
What do I do with my completed applicaton?
To be eligible to register to vote in Virginia a person must:
Be a resident of Virginia (A person who has come to Virginia for temporary purposes and intends to return to another state is not considered a resident for voting purposes)
Be a U. S. Citizen
Be 18 years old (Any person who is 17 years old and will be eighteen years of age at the next general election shall be permitted to register in advance and also vote in any intervening primary or special election)
Does not claim the right to vote in any other State
Not currently declared mentally incompetent by a court of law
If convicted of a felony, your right to vote must have been restored"
and
"
Voter Legal Residency Requirements
Under the Virginia Constitution, a prospective voter must be a resident of the precinct where he seeks to register. In order to establish "residency", a prospective voter must show that (1) he has an actual physical place of abode in the precinct, and (2) he is domiciled there.
To establish “domicile”, a person must live in a particular locality with the intent to remain there for an unlimited time. Sachs v. Horan, 252 Va. 247 (1996). Thus, no person can have more than one domicile or vote in more than one locality at the same time. Where a person establishes his domicile may result in consequences unrelated to voting, such as payment of taxes. The burden of proving domicile rests with the person asserting it. Each person must, however, have some place that they can vote, if they wish to be able to vote. Even the homeless may register by using the site "where they lay their head at night".
Registrars in Virginia bear the responsibility of determining if applicants are eligible to vote in their localities. Under Virginia Code §24.2-101, registrars may give consideration to at least the following factors in determining domicile:
A person's "expressed intent", AND
A person's "conduct and all attendant circumstances", including, but not limited to:
financial independence
business pursuits
employment
income sources
residence for income tax purposes
marital status and children
residence of parents
leaseholds and ownership of real property
where automobiles and other personal property are registered and taxed.
If a registrar has reason to question whether a person actually resides in the precinct where he seeks to vote, the registrar should make reasonable inquiries to help the applicant make an accurate determination. No single factor or response should be determine an applicant’s domicile. On the contrary, each prospective voter should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, weighing all of the relevant circumstances.
Virginia State Board of Elections
Suite 101, 200 North 9th Street, Richmond, Virginia 23219-3485
Telephone: 804 864-8901 Toll Free: 800 552-9745 FAX: 804 371-0194
Remember, the person might be trying to do their job as best they can. Giving advice in advance so the voters will not be unable to vote. In fact they will know they may need an absentee ballot or to take a trip home to vote if it is feasible.
C. Hussein Jr. @ 58:
I will scope it out. the addy is real.
btw...
your server seems to not accept the greater-than, less-than symbols, where I added the letters "snark" in the fascist comment earlier. It DID NOT appear when the comment posted.
[OH. That's an entirely different kettle of fish then, if it was a snark. The carrots >, <, are recognized as part of html coding, and on this site, it's a code command for everything between them to disappear. But that isn't showing up when I open that comment, so you must have forgotten it all together. It should show up on my edit page. In the future use the square brackets-Sitemonitor]
Six years ago my son was warned at his college orientation of the same thing in Oregon. Those rules have been around for a long time where colleges award scholarships according to the state the student is from. This particular scholarship is called a WUE. You only received the scholarship if you were from particular western states. If you registered to vote in Oregon, you lost your WUE and became a Oregon resident only after one year.
The Rebubs may be up to some tricks, but I don't think this is one of them.
WOW!?!
This is just one of an amzing string of voter suppression going on in our country.
We need to act now, and make sure that the truth is hear.
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