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Obama Reverses Positions on 527s


Finally. John blogged about this a few months ago and it has been the subject of more than a few heated discussions, both internally and with other bloggers, as we shake our heads and wonder how in the world we've gotten to the point where John McCain -- a man who promises four more years of failed ideas from the least popular president in history -- can be neck and neck with Barack Obama. It's time to hit back and to push back on the Republican framing getting such a strong toehold within the media. The best way to do that is from 527s and it looks like the Obama campaign has realized it:

There's been a spurt of 527 activity on behalf of Sen. John McCain, but Barack Obama campaign has suddenly gone silent on the subject.

That's because, after a year of telling donors not to contribute to 527 groups, of encouraging strategists not to form them and of suggesting that outside messaging efforts would not be welcome in Obama's Democratic Party, Obama's strategists have changed their approach.

An Obama adviser privy to the campaign's internal thinking on the matter says that,with less than two months before the election and with the realization that Republicans have achieved financial parity with Democrats, they hope that Democratic allies -- what another campaign aide termed "the cavalry" -- will come to Obama's aid.

The Obama campaign can't ask donors to form outside groups; it can only communicate, through the public and the media, with body language, tells and hints.

The upshot: Obama's campaign will no longer object to independent efforts that hammer John McCain, just as, in their mind, the McCain campaign has not objected to those efforts targeted at Obama. "I assume with their 527s stirring, some [Democratic] ones will as well," another senior campaign official said.

I don't know about you guys, but I think it's time to start hammering.

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Is the Coast Clear?---'s picture

I believe I heard some reference to this 527s on Rachel's show the other nite.

Cool...

Bring it on....

StirFry's picture

Mccain brought the knife. Obama brings the gun.
It's on.

Uppity Blue Lensman's picture

It may be necessary but I can't say that I'm really looking forward to this.

grandpajohn's picture

Better late than never I suppose, but it should have started a month ago

geazer's picture

John McCain promised an above-board campaign. John McCain has proven himself to be a liar. It's time to level the playing field, even though there will be charges of the horrible sexist Barack Obama going back on his word. T.S., Eliot. Break out the lipstick!

ZappaFrank's picture

Fuck yes! Pardon the language, but let's beat them at their own game. No more high road, this is a street fight.

WE ALL LOVE A LITTLE BUSH's picture

on the news today... and in the papers "DEBUNKING THE MYTHS AND RUMORS ABOUT SARAH PALIN"
brought to you by mostly conservative BUT some centrist media....
...........WHERE WAS "DEBUNKING THE MYTHS AND RUMORS ABOUT BARACK OBAMA" ? ? ?
time to donate.... once again.... to the 527 of your choice......
THE WORD HAS TO GET TO THE PUBLIC ! ! !

ZappaFrank's picture

We have to take the focus off the vice presidency and put it back on the presidency.

aarrgho's picture

I too hate to see this election be conducted the way they always have been.....I had hoped it would be more civil and issue oriented. But, hey, if this is McCain's idea of running a more civil campaign, I say lock and load and declare war on their Rovian tactics.

where do I donate?

Continuum's picture

It's about freakin' time.

Instead of playing defense, it's time to start offense.

Obama has been boxing with one hand tied behind his back.

Jack Damage's picture

YES!!! Agreed, some might claim it's gutter politics and Rovian and all that, but that doesn't seem to be any kind of issue for republicans... I'm not really crazy about the technique but like I said, repubs don't mind doing it, So HAMMER away.. Hell yes!! The really neat part is all ya got to do is use the truth to hammer with.... IF 527's or anyone just uses the actual truth in the record against these people, then just like cockroaches, neither McCain nor Palin will be able to stand the glare of that particular light......................JD

Long Suffering Progressive's picture

The 'lip stick/pig' comment is a start. He really needs to start calling McCain an 'old fart' or something.

ObiterDicta's picture

"...and with the realization that Republicans have achieved financial parity with Democrats..."

I guess I'm not paying enough attention, because I totally missed that. How the hell did that happen???

Orangutan.'s picture

Amen. Let the Games Begin.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

it is sad that the oprahization of america is now complete....but to win, this is what you have to do

i will contribute to any group that goes after palin to show that she is too dangerous to allow anywhere near the nuke football

i want to see an ad with her praying for the war, and praising the secesionist aip

liberalNmoderation's picture

Well well well....
Looks like a couple of republican nominees are about to be hoist by their own petard!
And yes...I HAVE been waiting to work that phrase into a conversation...sue me!

Bat Guano's picture

It's about freaking time!

Is the Coast Clear?---'s picture

Long Suffering Progressive @ 12:

The 'lip stick/pig' comment is a start. He really needs to start calling McCain an 'old fart' or something.

I'm thinking "Grampa Simpson" in reference to a clip I saw of Mcsane trying to say something about the price of gas I believe at some Harley rally....

sam's picture

meet the new politics, same as the old politics

Orangutan.'s picture

ZappaFrank @ 8:

We have to take the focus off the vice presidency and put it back on the presidency.

Totally.

Jess's picture

Hmmm...Obama studiously avoided answering Keith Olbermann's question about 527s the other day. I am glad to hear about the change in strategery. We can't fight this with one hand tied behind our back.

SassySandy's picture

Hope its not too late.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 15:

it is sad that the oprahization of america is now complete....but to win, this is what you have to do

i will contribute to any group that goes after palin to show that she is too dangerous to allow anywhere near the nuke football

i want to see an ad with her praying for the war, and praising the secesionist aip

WORD!
And I'd like to see an ad of her slaughtering wolves from helicopters.

Dave's picture

How can I find a list of these 527s. I am stopping contributing to the Obama campaign and now giving only to them. It ain't much, but that what needs to be done.

So where can I find these groups?

Dave
Viet Nam Vet

we the peeps's picture

Give Em' Hell Barry

Anonymous's picture

I saw we target Palin's bastard grandchild, the first one that is.

Orangutan.'s picture

Is the Coast Clear?--- @ 18:

Long Suffering Progressive @ 12:

The 'lip stick/pig' comment is a start. He really needs to start calling McCain an 'old fart' or something.

I'm thinking "Grampa Simpson" in reference to a clip I saw of Mcsane trying to say something about the price of gas I believe at some Harley rally....

John McCain at Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK-LEyyf7d4

Chuffy's picture

I don’t know about you guys, but I think it’s time to start hammering.

No, it was time to start hammering in August. Now it's too late, the next 2 months of hammering will be met with the typical "negative campaigning" slant, as a result, it will all be spun in favor of McCain anyway.

J.C.'s picture

Yes, it's time to start hammering, but first they have to stop letting Republicans set the debate. For example, the Iraq debate has suddenly become all about the surge... because that's what Republicans want it to be about. The campaign has become all about Sarah Palin and personality... because that's what Republicans want it to be about. McCain and Palin are "reformers"... because that's what Republicans want them to be. Obama is an "elite"... because that's what Republicans want him to be. Meanwhile, what are Republicans being made to answer for?

If Democrats are constantly on defense, McCain wins. Even if Obama and Biden can quell the charges against them and burst the McCain/Palin mythology, they've spent all of their time and energy doing so and that's still a victory for the McCain campaign. The thing that's really hurting us is that we don't have an equivalent infrastructure of Fox News/talk radio/propagandist, lockstep pundits to get our side out there in force and push the mainstream media to pick up on it. It's unfortunate that that MSM is no longer in the business of reporting facts, but that's what were up against and we have to respond accordingly.

we the peeps's picture

McCain =Cotton Hill
Palin= Peggy Hill on crack

Orangutan.'s picture

SassySandy @ 22:

Hope its not too late.

grandpajohn @ 4:

Better late than never I suppose, but it should have started a month ago

Stay Positive!! Stay on Message.

Sigh's picture

Long Suffering Progressive @ 12:

The 'lip stick/pig' comment is a start. He really needs to start calling McCain an 'old fart' or something.

Hey, he did not call Palin a pig. After all, that would make no sense. Pigs are intelligent, kind and loyal creatures.

HelenofPeel's picture

Yes, it is time to start hammering...
Perhaps this will help too:
http://www.youtube.com/gwoe2008

My little contribution to the effort... Hope you enjoy!

theWalrus's picture

True, better late than never, but it is getting late. The good news is that, with "Bridge To Nowhere" lies from Palin and McCain making a stink over pigs with lipstick even the MSM and some not-so-mainstream Media are beginning to emerge from their blind hero-worship state and see McCain for what he is: a fraud.

Andrew Sullivan:
McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it.

So, IF the 527's get to work immediately, along with the Media turning against McCain/Palin, we might have a chance to stop the madness.

Orangutan.'s picture

Debate Schedule: Barack Obama vs. John McCain.

* September 26: Oxford, Mississippi
* October 7: Nashville, Tennessee
* October 15: Hempstead, New York
* Vice presidential debate: October 2, St. Louis, Missouri

Jo's picture

ZappaFrank @ 8:

We have to take the focus off the vice presidency and put it back on the presidency.

Exactly. And may I suggest, having worked in the mental health field that the mental health of Mr. McSame is on par with what we already have in the White House.
A Psychopath is essentially a person who seems to be unable to live on normal ordered terms with normal ordered society.
They are usually explosive personalities who either cannot or will not conform to existing standards of behavior. They display tantrums or sulk and generally make life uncomfortable for other people.
They seem to be calm and under control until stress, real or imagined, deals them a blow and then the mental state of the person becomes agitated and destructive.
We cannot allow another of this type of personality anywhere near the nuclear trigger.

The Realist's picture

*clears throat*

This shit is on, amigos.

Alice's picture

GO for it Obama people. Do whatever you have to in order to stop the McSame Train.

Barry's picture

It's like being in a knife fight with no knife. It's about time. Get that knife now Obama they're going after blood to win this election and it's time to fight. It's still not too late.

Shan's picture

geazer @ 5:

John McCain promised an above-board campaign. John McCain has proven himself to be a liar. It's time to level the playing field, even though there will be charges of the horrible sexist Barack Obama going back on his word. T.S., Eliot. Break out the lipstick!

When asked about this in the same way that McCain has not been, just remember to keep saying "I will never personally attack my opponent" or something equally valid and true that doesn't answer the question until they stop asking. (The answer to the question being, I want to win and my opponent is already doing it - so go bother him).

Orangutan.'s picture

John McCain suffering through gaffe after gaffe after gaffe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY

JOHN McCAIN
THE MOST FLAWED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY
http://www.wclt.com//news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261

VietVet8666's picture

I agree.

Play the Repubs' game.

Change in which we can believe.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Barry @ 39:

It's like being in a knife fight with no knife. It's about time. Get that knife now Obama they're going after blood to win this election and it's time to fight. It's still not too late.

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

RFinCA's picture

Let's do it! MoveOn, let's go!

StirFry's picture

Drain the McPalin

Billy's picture

Continuum @ 10:

It's about freakin' time.

It's also too late.

Barry's picture

liberalNmoderation @ 43:

Barry @ 39:

It's like being in a knife fight with no knife. It's about time. Get that knife now Obama they're going after blood to win this election and it's time to fight. It's still not too late.

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

Obama's too damn nice,,thats what I'm afraid of. He was on Countdown Monday with Keith and when asked about Palin he didn't say anything really criticizing her. Palin came right out of the gate smearing Obama without ever meeting him. Yea, I agree, get the battle axe and get mean too while your at it.

RancidVenison's picture

sam @ 19:

meet the new politics, same as the old politics

And all because it's the same old ignorant public.

lipstickhottie's picture

........it's about mo*%erf@#king time......I live in California......I had a conversation with a few neighbors at the mail box.......my god, there is alot of work to do.........I had one person actually tell me that Obama is a muslim and another say, "I would never vote for a ni*#er"........I swear to god, they actually said that out loud...right here in "librul" California ....I'm worried......there are more idiots out there than I originally believed...we have to hit hard and fast NOW.....RIGHT NOW

Stargazer's picture

I don't know if any of you have seen this or not, but it is an interesting look at palin and the book banning debacle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZII0GjcJMus

freebird9's picture

Let's Go!! Time to hit back and hard. I think McSame opened the door on this. so let's beat them with their own rovian tactics. Time to start 527's here that. Get going and beat McSame at his own game.

Go Obama/Biden 08 The True Ticket for a new American Future. Taking back our country one step at a time.

Orangutan.'s picture

Olbermann airs extensive list of McCain flip flops
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1392

John McCain is an Unstable, Hot Headed Liar, Unfit to be President
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/06/john-mccain-is-unstable...

McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Viet Nam Veterans Against John McCain
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

McCain's Lobbyists..
http://mccainsource.com/mccain_fact_check?id=0007

What Really Happened When McCain Was a POW?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

sturg111's picture

YES. Time to get mean with the truth.

Ron's picture

theWalrus @ 34:

True, better late than never, but it is getting late. The good news is that, with "Bridge To Nowhere" lies from Palin and McCain making a stink over pigs with lipstick even the MSM and some not-so-mainstream Media are beginning to emerge from their blind hero-worship state and see McCain for what he is: a fraud.

Andrew Sullivan:
McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it.

So, IF the 527's get to work immediately, along with the Media turning against McCain/Palin, we might have a chance to stop the madness.

I don't think we are going to see the media turn against McCain.

robin leary's picture

I'm down here in Good Ol' Texas (San Angelo) and the whole city is Palin wild!! I blog on our local newspapers site but it hardly does any good. Other bloggers are stating that God will choose McCain Palin and put our Country back in "God's Hands". I am of a very very few that tries to show people the light but this is "Republican Capital of the World".
One argument I do stress successfully and I believe Obama needs to stress this in his ads. (and it's not even negative campaigning) Here it is:

KARL ROVE IS A MAJOR ADVISOR TO THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN!!!!!!

I think it kind of works because a lot of people down here hate him as much as I do and it scares them to think they'll get 4 more years of ROVE!!

iraqconcilable's picture

McCain and Obama both said they would run a civil campaign that focused on the issues .

McCain lied .
Obama tried .

Now it's time for the "Chicago way" . Paybacks a bitch .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

Barry @ 47:

liberalNmoderation @ 43:

Barry @ 39:

It's like being in a knife fight with no knife. It's about time. Get that knife now Obama they're going after blood to win this election and it's time to fight. It's still not too late.

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

Obama's too damn nice,,thats what I'm afraid of. He was on Countdown Monday with Keith and when asked about Palin he didn't say anything really criticizing her. Palin came right out of the gate smearing Obama without ever meeting him. Yea, I agree, get the battle axe and get mean too while your at it.

obama is fearful of being painted as the angry black man

not that it matters

they have already painted him as an outside agitator, an uppity n-word and the self hating jew wanna be christo fascist ben stein already called him an angry black man

but he doesnt have to come out and attack...its time to unleash the 527s with every fucking smear

its time to get medieval on their asses

John J's picture

Meghan didn't get the memo
She doesn't think Obama was sexist.

John McCain's daughter Meghan is not taking offense to Barack Obama's "lipstick on a pig" line like the rest of her father's campaign, pointing out Wednesday morning that GOP presidential nominee has been known to use the phrase.

"I've heard my dad say that, the term 'lipstick on a pig,'" McCain said during an appearance on Fox promoting her new children's book about her father.

Asked directly if she thought Obama was calling Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) a pig, McCain said, "I don't know. I hope not. I mean, I hope not, but I have no idea."

"I don't like anyone being referred to as a pig in any context," McCain added. "I think there's a lot more educated conversations we can have about the ticket than just saying these remarks like that."

lipstickhottie's picture

Not only get 527s up and running, but get some of our decent dems out there like Webb. They need to be hammering away at how McCain has voted to screw vets over and over......and we need one of the women dem congresscritters with kids to get out there and spread the word about the cuts Palin made to children's issues. Where are the other dems.......it's completely silent out here..........why?

liberalNmoderation's picture

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 56:

Barry @ 47:

liberalNmoderation @ 43:

Barry @ 39:

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

Obama's too damn nice,,thats what I'm afraid of. He was on Countdown Monday with Keith and when asked about Palin he didn't say anything really criticizing her. Palin came right out of the gate smearing Obama without ever meeting him. Yea, I agree, get the battle axe and get mean too while your at it.

obama is fearful of being painted as the angry black man

not that it matters

they have already painted him as an outside agitator, an uppity n-word and the self hating jew wanna be christo fascist ben stein already called him an angry black man

but he doesnt have to come out and attack...its time to unleash the 527s with every fucking smear

its time to get medieval on their asses

Yeah! Like I said! BATTLE AAAAAAAXE!

thhammer's picture

I believe that when we look back at this election, that Obama's decision to muzzle the 527's, will be seen as one of the fatal flaws in his campaign. It was clear that the Republicans would smear Obama over the summer, and Obama's decision not to use 527's to define McCain and the Republicans may have cost him the election. The Republican smear tactics, using 527's was very predictable, and we have Obama to blame for his incompetence in running the campaign this way. When MCcain presents his extreme Supreme Court nominees, when he decides to bomb Iran, when he cuts taxes for millionaires, when he cuts health care spending for poor children, lets not blame him. Lets put blame where it belongs-Obama and the Democrats who once again prove that they have no clue how to win an election.

Obama told Olberman the other night that he didnt want to negative because he was sure that Americans were smarter than that. Well, guess what-they are not, we all knew that, and shame on Obama for running another incompetent campaign, letting the Republicans define the terms of the debate at every turn.

Eric in Ottawa's picture

The gloves are off!

Have at 'em!

liberalNmoderation's picture

lipstickhottie @ 58:

Not only get 527s up and running, but get some of our decent dems out there like Webb. They need to be hammering away at how McCain has voted to screw vets over and over......and we need one of the women dem congresscritters with kids to get out there and spread the word about the cuts Palin made to children's issues. Where are the other dems.......it's completely silent out here..........why?

I've noticed that also...maybe because Obama has been holding back, they have as well...
Not that the 527's have been greenlighted, maybe they'll be coming outta the woodwork to slam McBain and Palin.

jimbo92107's picture

Miraculous! Next, we'll hear that Obama has decided liberal blogs aren't all that bad, and he welcomes our support.

Good to have a presidential candidate with such political savvy. /snark

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

Orangutan. @ 52:

Olbermann airs extensive list of McCain flip flops
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1392

John McCain is an Unstable, Hot Headed Liar, Unfit to be President
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/06/john-mccain-is-unstable...

McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Viet Nam Veterans Against John McCain
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

McCain's Lobbyists..
http://mccainsource.com/mccain_fact_check?id=0007

What Really Happened When McCain Was a POW?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

not strong enuf...go after mccains infidelity...if he cant be loyal to his first wife (who waited patiently while he was in captivity, and never fucked the mailman)...how will he be loyal to america?

go after palin with everything in the fucking book

beat her with the motherfucking ugly stick

PorridgeGun's picture

McCain basically called Obama a pervert in his latest smear ad. He just hit a new low in this election... and didn't even use a 527.

There is so much shit you can "officially" throw at McCain and Palin, 527s aren't even necessary. What exactly are they planning on doing? The electorate is dumber than it's ever been. It better be good.

Buggy Ding Dong's picture

Brings the gun 3 months too late.

blootoo's picture

'bama's way too sharp not to have seen this coming before he even said it. the implication is there, and the shoe fits, in every sense, that's the real reason pubicans have to run around in little circles saying "I'm telling I'm telling."

blootoo's picture

btw check out the inside shot here - know your opponent - palin in another mcain administered intensive coaching session, even she won't be able to regurgitate all this stuff before debate time... no way, most people still don't appreciate the sheer magnitude of experience this old timer has stored up over the years:

McCain to Palin: STUDY!!!

Rollo Tomassi's picture

we shake our heads and wonder how in the world we’ve gotten to the point where John McCain — a man who promises four more years of failed ideas from the least popular president in history — can be neck and neck with Barack Obama.

Because that's exactly where the MSM needs you to believe he is. Same thing happened in 2004, same thing now in 2008 and I'd venture to guess the same will be true in 2012. All you have to believe is that it's close - Diebold and the massive voter fraud will do the rest. "Oh darn, looks like the Repugs got it again, well,...it was close."

My money says Obama wont even fight it too.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

John J @ 57:

Meghan didn't get the memo
She doesn't think Obama was sexist.

John McCain's daughter Meghan is not taking offense to Barack Obama's "lipstick on a pig" line like the rest of her father's campaign, pointing out Wednesday morning that GOP presidential nominee has been known to use the phrase.

"I've heard my dad say that, the term 'lipstick on a pig,'" McCain said during an appearance on Fox promoting her new children's book about her father.

Asked directly if she thought Obama was calling Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) a pig, McCain said, "I don't know. I hope not. I mean, I hope not, but I have no idea."

"I don't like anyone being referred to as a pig in any context," McCain added. "I think there's a lot more educated conversations we can have about the ticket than just saying these remarks like that."

fuck her...she thinks that no one knows war like her family

Albatross's picture

I think we need a 527 to spin outrageous stories about McCain. We should claim that he was nearly the worst student in his class; we should make up a commercial in which we state that he called his wife a trollop and a c-word for wearing too much makeup; we should tell people that he abandoned his first wife after a car accident to marry his mistress; we insinuaegt that he was one of the Keating Five; we should tell stories of numerous documented occasions of his wild temper.

Our 527's should look just like Republican 527s, except they should be honest.

constituent's picture

they can say what they want.....obama had good intentions....at this point hopefully it's NOT too
late...it's time to fight fire with fire.
lip stick chap stick.........let's talk economy
and the 'bridge to noWhere' the real PORK.

Barry's picture

Principles and niceness have no place in politics any longer. The republicans fight dirty and it works, unfortunately. It's time for us democrats to go toe to toe with them. We mostly have truth on our side as republicans are hypocrites,liars and deceivers. We have to come at them hard with truth,dug up every lie and fact on them and put it to the forefront for all to see and fast. Fight fire with fire or we'll be in the losers box every time.

paul's picture

Ron @ 54:

I don't think we are going to see the media turn against McCain.

They're not with McCain. They're with Palin. Why? Because she's new, different, spunky, pitch-perfect. She gives them a narrative, and that is all the media needs or wants. They will push the narrative as far as they can because it makes the twenty-four hour news cycle more interesting. We will only win the media battle if we turn the narrative away from her--loudly, clearly, and compellingly.

Col Kilgore's picture

I can hear the band warming up. Hello Hanoi Hilton POW Vets For Truth ? I have misgivings about stooping to Rescumlican lows ( if there is a bottom to it ) but its that important. Dems can go back to being pussies in January. As long as they are the pussies in charge. Apparently , MC Stupid likes to dish it out but gets all pissy and moany when it comes around to him. Too fucking bad MC Stupidass!!! You reap what you sow brother. Go look that up in your Bible.

Alexdem's picture

Albatross @ 71:

I think we need a 527 to spin outrageous stories about McCain. We should claim that he was nearly the worst student in his class; we should make up a commercial in which we state that he called his wife a trollop and a c-word for wearing too much makeup; we should tell people that he abandoned his first wife after a car accident to marry his mistress; we insinuaegt that he was one of the Keating Five; we should tell stories of numerous documented occasions of his wild temper.

Our 527's should look just like Republican 527s, except they should be honest.

Bawww.. no illegitimate black kid push-polls then? :(

Albatross's picture

liberalNmoderation @ 59:
...

Barry @ 39:

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

Yeah! Like I said! BATTLE AAAAAAAXE!

If we wanted a battle axe, we should have nominated Hillary!

(BooooOOOOO! Hissssssss!)

Okay, sorry, that was just too cheap an easy a joke to resist... You're right, I'm a bad, sexist person!

Mick Piobr's picture

USS Forrestal
Marital Infidelity
Sealed Military Records
Go-To Guy for Keating
Eating a Toddler's Kitten Alive (have you ever heard him deny it?)

Is the Coast Clear?---'s picture

Albatross @ 71:

I think we need a 527 to spin outrageous stories about McCain. We should claim that he was nearly the worst student in his class; we should make up a commercial in which we state that he called his wife a trollop and a c-word for wearing too much makeup; we should tell people that he abandoned his first wife after a car accident to marry his mistress; we insinuaegt that he was one of the Keating Five; we should tell stories of numerous documented occasions of his wild temper.

Our 527's should look just like Republican 527s, except they should be honest.

Well, that's the beauty of it...

We don't have to lie...

These clowns have enough dirt on them that even mentioning pig makes them very, very unhappy....

themediamyth's picture

why are mcsame and obama neck and neck? because the media will have it so. who is going to watch political coverage of a one horse race??? got to sell those advertising blocks...

Rollo Tomassi's picture

"Well, here we are, November 4th and it still looks like a dead heat Ted."

"It certainly does Chris, it's anyones race now."

"It sure is."

"Yeah, too close to call."

Peter G's picture

If Obama personally denigrates either McCain or Palin (the mayonnaise duo) the word uppity and much worse will be on the lips of just about every pundit in the country. Go 527's. Hi oh Calumny! Away!

galmud's picture

About time the gloves come off. But the Republicans have a looong head start hopefully its not too late.

Obamas gonna need all the help he can get. He cannot afford to win by just one or two percentage points. He needs to win by a large margin to be safe from the usual voter-caging and diebolding fraud going on

Orangutan.'s picture

Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 64:

Orangutan. @ 52:

Olbermann airs extensive list of McCain flip flops
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1392

John McCain is an Unstable, Hot Headed Liar, Unfit to be President
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/06/john-mccain-is-unstable...

McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Viet Nam Veterans Against John McCain
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

McCain's Lobbyists..
http://mccainsource.com/mccain_fact_check?id=0007

What Really Happened When McCain Was a POW?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

not strong enuf...go after mccains infidelity...if he cant be loyal to his first wife (who waited patiently while he was in captivity, and never fucked the mailman)...how will he be loyal to america?

Hey man. Add to the list. I'm not saying that's it. Pile on.

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themediamyth @ 80:

why are mcsame and obama neck and neck? because the media will have it so. who is going to watch political coverage of a one horse race??? got to sell those advertising blocks...

that's certainly part of it. mccain is an easier 'brand' for some demographics to understand /relate to. the POW and maverick theme that's all they have to say and they sound like they know what's going on. unfortunately..branding and theme's work.in comparison obama is a more complicated product.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Albatross @ 77:

liberalNmoderation @ 59:
...

Barry @ 39:

Fuck the knife...bring a goddamn battle axe and be done with it.

Yeah! Like I said! BATTLE AAAAAAAXE!

If we wanted a battle axe, we should have nominated Hillary!

(BooooOOOOO! Hissssssss!)

Okay, sorry, that was just too cheap an easy a joke to resist... You're right, I'm a bad, sexist person!

LOL!!!
Now that's NOT what I meant!
Still...kinda funny though...

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liberalNmoderation @ 62:

lipstickhottie @ 58:

Not only get 527s up and running, but get some of our decent dems out there like Webb. They need to be hammering away at how McCain has voted to screw vets over and over......and we need one of the women dem congresscritters with kids to get out there and spread the word about the cuts Palin made to children's issues. Where are the other dems.......it's completely silent out here..........why?

I've noticed that also...maybe because Obama has been holding back, they have as well...
NOW that the 527's have been greenlighted, maybe they'll be coming outta the woodwork to slam McBain and Palin.

There...fixed it..should have been now...instead of not...
Sorry...nerves still kinda jangly after Ike.

Dave's picture

Must we always be the party that REacts, instead of ACTing first?

Now the 527s have to make up for lost time. GET GOING!!!!

Billy's picture

Orangutan. @ 52:

Olbermann airs extensive list of McCain flip flops
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1392

Yea, but will he ever air anything about Obama's flip flops?
(FISA is probably the most well known, after which the
Democrats sucked up millions of AT&T dollars,
but it's not the only one.)

Nope.

Do journalists have any obligations beyond their self-interest?

sully18's picture

Obama wanted it fair and honest.The Rethugs went honorless and tobacco-spittin` lying, dirty rotten.That`s who they are since Reagan.Their goal is to win no matter how soulless they`ve become. And they will literally do anything and I mean anything to win this election.If you`re fighting a scumbag you have to use some anti-scumbag strategies, and sometimes that entails getting as mean an nasty as they are.

CMINCA's picture

Dave @ 24:

How can I find a list of these 527s. I am stopping contributing to the Obama campaign and now giving only to them. It ain't much, but that what needs to be done.

So where can I find these groups?

Dave
Viet Nam Vet

You can always start with moveon.org. I was on their website this morning and didn't see any indication that they were going to start any of their ads, but I'm sure they're in the works.

Pari's picture

Finally.

Actually, since my hubby is Republican -- and we agree on Obama this year -- I'm buying a nice yard sign that'll be sure to cause some conversation in my ultra conservative neighborhood.

Republicans for Obama.

Oooooh. That feels so good.

Dave's picture

I hope this is only the first shot across Palin's bow. She took the first shot along with Rudy and company at the convention. Now she will reap what she sowed.

This lying, worthless political hack deserves to be a steaming, smoking pile of wreckage by the end of the campaign. If she is not on the verge of being booted out of the Alaska governorship by November, I will consider the 527 effort a failure.

She is so vulnerable on so many fronts they can't possibly miss.

sully18's picture

Billy @ 89:

Orangutan. @ 52:

Olbermann airs extensive list of McCain flip flops
http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1392

Yea, but will he ever air anything about Obama's flip flops?
(FISA is probably the most well known, after which the
Democrats sucked up millions of AT&T dollars,
but it's not the only one.)

Nope.

Do journalists have any obligations beyond their self-interest?

For most of them,nope.

Finn's picture

Finally - the gloves are off.

Janet's picture

The thing is, any 527 for Obama, won't have to lie. If this has to be done, I would like to see it be done right. Only truth backed by clips of McCain or Palin or actual documents. That will make it much harder for the media to turn it negative on Obama.

MsJoanne's picture

Two words: About. Time.

No, three words: About. Fucking. Time!

CMINCA's picture

Don't forget VoteVets.org http://www.votevets.org/

They are a 501(c)(4) which means they are non-partisan.

VoteVets.org on The Draft and John McCain
http://www.votevets.org/news/?id=0168

Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!'s picture

SassySandy @ 22:

Hope its not too late.

I'm thinking the timing on this is anything but an accident. Obama has established himself as trying to avoid this but hey what can he do , the neocreeps are hard at it, so as much as he regrets it he has no choice. The FAUX News talking heads are going to look like a scene out of The Exorcist, all their heads are going to be spinning.

I'd have preferred a clean fight about the issues but when somebody shows you they'll do anything to win then you do what you have to in order to prevail.

Bring it on m*therf*ckers, bring it on.

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Finn @ 95:

Finally - the gloves are off.

What about the condoms?

ysbaddaden's picture

99 Chicken “Hussein” Little - Not! Says:

Bring it on m*therf*ckers, bring it on.
_____________________________________________

The iced tea?

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can 's picture

Forgot the hammer, bring on the nukes.

America is finished, let's go out in a big bang

Verum's picture

You just knew when you saw Rove's getting involved in McCain's campaign the chance of discussing how to solve problems facing American would take a dive. To the neocons it is all about power and you don't have the power if you lose. Bring on the slime.

CMINCA's picture

I'm so grateful I don't live in a battleground state. Those poor people must be jaded and numb by the ads about now and it is just beginning.

Here is an oldie that is fitting for today: Hope: It Could Happen to You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncNpB6IZ9I

heydudes's picture

We know Obama has 1000x the character. He's already taken great risks again and again as a positive campaign. But there comes a point ESPECIALLY when McCain is attacking the media and creating religious bias, that you need to fight to win. Let 'er rip.

sciguy's picture

Hammer away. I'm tired of losing because we don't want to get our hands dirty. Progressive ideas are good and the country tends to agree with us (see any number of polls), but until we win power, it doesn't much matter. Let's go get'em. Lord only knows there's plenty of factual material to work with.

Dale's picture

I think when Obama debates McCain, he should shout at him as though he was talking to an old fart who can't hear.

CMINCA's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNqiAgE1kw

The Bush-McCain Strategy: Endless War, on the Installment Plan

Bluesage's picture

So Obama changed his position on yet another issue and it's all good because..............it's Obama! Yay! Unbelievable. Now that Pelosi and Brazille have all but disappeared and Tweety and KO have had their pee-pees whacked, what to do, what to do? I've heard nothing from Obama that would make anyone want to vote for him - just the opposite, he's arrogant and condescending and now that the fairy-dust has settled and the shine is off a bit, he's looking kinda pathetic. But then, what do I know? I'm just one of those old-fashioned, out-dated and un-needed Democrats after 40 years in the party.

I really think that C&L should just go ahead and merge with HuffPost, Obamablog, DailyKos and the rest of the so-called "progressive" blogs and have the biggest, bestest Obama fan club in the history of the world.

Ugh!

Scott's picture

B-F-T!!

What's wrong with hard-hitting attack ads when they're TRUE?? There are enough video clips of John McCain reversing himself to line up with the Bush agenda for half a dozen multi-clip commercials of the devastating theme: "Compomising any Principle to get Elected" to run until the election. WHERE ARE THEY??

Karen's picture

Okay, enough!

We all knew that the Republicans were going to play this way. Or if anyone didn’t, they’re not politically aware. This is just what they do. It’s what they’re good at. It’s the only thing they’re good at.

And Obama has to get back to doing what he’s good at. Delivering inspiring orations. When he goes on a stage in front of thousands of onlookers all eager for someone to believe in, and delivers an oration about what’s really going on, he inspires people to go work for him for the next few weeks. He rekindles the feelings — rightly or wrongly — that we actually can change the world.

Remember the Jeremiah Wright nonsense? How many were predicting his demise upon the release of the Wright clips? How often was it played? And what did Obama do in response? Submit a 30-second spot to the “news” channels? No, he got up and talked to us about racism in America. And it worked.

He’s got to get back out on the grand stumping stage, and make a big speech about the ugly game of politics. He’s got to get out there and say, “The Republican Party is about nothing but lies! Stand with me and stop the lies. They say we can’t do it, that this is just the way politics is. Well, I say, ‘YES WE CAN!’ It does not have to be this way! Will you stand with me? Will you join with me? Will you stand up and tell Washington people like John McCain to stop the politics?! To stop the lies?! Let’s do it! Yes we can!”

It’s what got him this far. Say what you will about it. Call it mere rhetoric. Call it whatever you want. It’s what got him this far. He can’t downshift.

Come on, Barack, get up and do what you’re good at.

Billy's picture

CMINCA @ 98:

Don't forget VoteVets.org http://www.votevets.org/

Being a veteran myself, I recommend subscribing to their mailing list.
That's the easy way to stay informed, and participate in their activities.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

HAMMER TIME!!

First rule of politics. NEVER unilaterally disarm.

Loonie's picture

This is a disgusting way to run an election, and it needs to change. The trouble is, this disgusting system has been painstakingly set up so that only the winners in have the power to change it. If you want to change it, you have to be that winner.

Just remember why you wanted to win when you get there. Don't lose yourself to it. Don't become the monster.

oh really's picture

One of Obama's biggest miscalculations has been his assumption that he would have a huge financial advantage over McCain.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Loonie @ 114:

This is a disgusting way to run an election, and it needs to change. The trouble is, this disgusting system has been painstakingly set up so that only the winners in have the power to change it. If you want to change it, you have to be that winner.

Just remember why you wanted to win when you get there. Don't lose yourself to it. Don't become the monster.

If we win, then we can fix it.

Bud Rose's picture

Make John McCain cry!

Clayton's picture

fight back damn it!!

Bender's picture

The GOP can kiss my shiney metal ass.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Bluesage @ 109:

So Obama changed his position on yet another issue and it's all good because..............it's Obama! Yay! Unbelievable. Now that Pelosi and Brazille have all but disappeared and Tweety and KO have had their pee-pees whacked, what to do, what to do? I've heard nothing from Obama that would make anyone want to vote for him - just the opposite, he's arrogant and condescending and now that the fairy-dust has settled and the shine is off a bit, he's looking kinda pathetic. But then, what do I know? I'm just one of those old-fashioned, out-dated and un-needed Democrats after 40 years in the party.

I really think that C&L should just go ahead and merge with HuffPost, Obamablog, DailyKos and the rest of the so-called "progressive" blogs and have the biggest, bestest Obama fan club in the history of the world.

Ugh!

Fuckin waaaaaaaah!

robin leary's picture

o.k. call me crazy but I think Palin IS kind of hot. Kind of like Tina Fey. Must be the hair-up and glasses or as my friends and I call it "The secretary look". Anyway, I ask only one type of support from all the men out there:
"I solemnly vow that I will pull the lever for Palin. I just won't vote for her".

give this one a minute to sink in folks...

Liberal AND Proud's picture

It's time to kick some wrinkled up old ass.

Brian's picture

It's about time. We all know that there's a LOT of 'Message' that needs to get out there.

CMINCA's picture

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140 (link from TPM)

'TROOPERGATE'
Warned by the Court
A judge repeatedly told Palin and family not to badmouth her sister's ex (equated harassment to child abuse)

By Mark Hosenball | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Sep 9, 2008 | Updated: 7:36 p.m. ET Sep 9, 2008

Liberal AND Proud's picture

I hope that we have some images of those church goers speaking in tongues.

Followed by McCain standing in front of the Falwell group.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

It's NUCLEAR WAR!!!

I'm LIKIN' IT!

Liberal AND Proud's picture

RELEASE THE FLYING MONKEYS!!!!

Billy's picture

Scott @ 110:

B-F-T!!

What's wrong with hard-hitting attack ads when they're TRUE?? There are enough video clips of John McCain reversing himself to line up with the Bush agenda for half a dozen multi-clip commercials of the devastating theme: "Compomising any Principle to get Elected" to run until the election. WHERE ARE THEY??

On the Comedy channel. Specifically, the Daily Show, and to a lesser extent, the Colbert Report.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Damn hackers are at it again.

CMINCA's picture

James Dobson on John McCain - should be the first ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVZcZ3b9RI

Wayne's picture

I am sitting in Arizona, a conservative stronghold, I will not stand by and watch the scum sucking, perverted, blow hard GOP win another election based on what our stupid populous thinks is real and acceptable. Obama needs to start throwing bricks at these bastards and beat them down. I will personally not hold it against Obama if he uses the 527s to do the hurling. We cannot have a country dominated by the GOP and all their BLIND followers. Everyone, I challenge you to make a donation to Obama's campaign and to start making noise on the republican blogs. Our Country needs to wipe out this GOP virus, once and for all.

Get ACTIVE! Don't just sit back and wait for it to happen.

smitty187's picture

Forget MoveOn, remember they disolved their PAC in May per the request of the Obama campaign.

I think votevets.org and defenders.org are good ones.

Defenders has great footage of the aerial bear and wolf hunting and incorporates the $150 bounty on wolves. Powerful images move people.

Amitola's picture

I don't have a yard sign -yet. But, I do have Obama '08 stickers (from moveOn) on my car windows - both sides, and I printed out my own sign that I've taped above them which just says - in bold, letters - I've Had ENOUGH !!!

It would be nice if the Dems or MoveOn or someone would make yard signs that said that and made them easy to get a hold of.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

There is one purpose. One goal. To destroy the fascist GOP.

Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!'s picture

Loonie @ 114:

This is a disgusting way to run an election, and it needs to change. The trouble is, this disgusting system has been painstakingly set up so that only the winners in have the power to change it. If you want to change it, you have to be that winner.

Just remember why you wanted to win when you get there. Don't lose yourself to it. Don't become the monster.

Absolutely true Loonie and all the more reason for Obama to stand tall, do what he's good at and let us and his surrogates get into the trenches and do the knife fighting. Bring those 527s on, speak the truth in little tiny sound bites so that the MSM conditioned masses can absorb the message and lets get into DC and change this system back to something we can be proud to be part of.

smitty187's picture

I mean MoveOn dissolved their 527 last spring. I wrote letters protesting it to no avail.

Go to YouTube and search "aerial hunting wolves alaska" and some darn near close to ready videos exist.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

10 second spots...using Olberman's graphic of McBush.

CMINCA's picture

Remember that Robert Greenwald keeps put out current and relevant videos http://bravenewfilms.org/ and they are a 501(c)(4)

Great video from Taling Points Memo is a parady of the two Mavericks ad from McSame/Failin': Sarah Palin: Maverick to Nowhere http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/98180/sarah_palin%3A_maverick_to_now...

DC's picture

Obama was just too nice. People tried to tell him that this would happen but he trusted the American public to be a lot smarter than they really are as a group. Talk to the average person and you will see that the light bulb will not come on if you talk facts with them. Give them an emotional issue and the will charge around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. Example: The GOP convention, the vet holds up a sign saying McCain hasn't helped vets and no one says does the man have a point? No the croud hollars USA USA USA and end of the conversation.

Yes Obama, you need those 527's and you need the mud to start being thrown. I only hope it is not too late for both you and the United States' future.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Every GOOD comedian in this country is a Democrat. Fuck...we're the hollywood party...right?

USE THEM!! We have the TALENT on our side.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Let's just bring back the Daisy Girl...

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...

Liberal AND Proud's picture

FUCK! This is gonna be FUN.

It's time these bastards got bloodied. They had it coming.

whining american's picture

Barack reminds me of the big kid on the football team who is strong, fast, and skilled, but just isn't nasty or mean enough. It's time for Barack to get nasty. Fight back and fight back hard! The Rethugs have thrown him for a loop over the last 10 days and he's been doing nothing but playing defense.

Time to make some ads about how McCain opposed the Webb GI Bill because it was too generous for the troops. How about an announcer saying, "Barack Obama supported the Webb GI Bill but John McCain didn't because the benefits were too generous. Is anything too generous for our heroes in uniform?" What about fighting back against the sex ed ad? "Why does John McCain ridicule Barack Obama for supporting common sense legislation that protects our children from sexual predators? Barack Obama--standing up for our children. John McCain--standing in the way."

Bubba knew how to fight back and he won 2 terms. It's time for Barack to prove that he isn't a Dukakis, Gore, or Kerry.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Let's club the GOP like a baby seal!! Figuratively of course.

Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!'s picture

Hopefully we'll come up with an Oct surprise or two of our own.

Be kind of fun to see what the neocreeps will do if Oprah comes out very publicly and very strongly, oh say the last week of Oct. Imagine a few more icons of the 'murican middle class coming out hard and strong about that time. Could change everything.

Personally I think Obama's got a few cards up his sleeve that we are not privy to (at least I sure hope so.)

liberalNmoderation's picture

Liberal AND Proud @ 126:

I hope that we have some images of those church goers speaking in tongues.

Followed by McCain standing in front of the Falwell group.

I've been to one of those pentecostal churches with a friend of mine when I was a teenager...I was asked to leave for laughing hysterically...that's no more a religion than the snake handlers...it's a fuckin cult.
Anyone who goes to one of those churches is fuckin crazy if ya ask me.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Liberal AND Proud @ 145:

Let's club the GOP like a baby seal!! Figuratively of course.

Of course...
Let's beat them like a red headed stepchild...figuratively of course.

Pongo's picture

Bring it on like donkey kong. Show us where to contribute.

smitty187's picture

DC @ 140:

Obama was just too nice. People tried to tell him that this would happen but he trusted the American public to be a lot smarter than they really are as a group. Talk to the average person and you will see that the light bulb will not come on if you talk facts with them. Give them an emotional issue and the will charge around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. Example: The GOP convention, the vet holds up a sign saying McCain hasn't helped vets and no one says does the man have a point? No the croud hollars USA USA USA and end of the conversation.

Yes Obama, you need those 527's and you need the mud to start being thrown. I only hope it is not too late for both you and the United States' future.

Puleez,
Too late is the day after the election. The Daily Show can put stuff together in 24 hours, & they are soft compared with real hardcore environmentalists and veterans organizations.
We just gotta fund 'em.
I agree it was delusional to think we wouldn't need 'em, but we're more creative and have the facts on our side. Just the 9/5 Daily Show on McCains history would get us started.

Now I feel better that we're back in the game without our hands tied behind our back. Michael Moore, holla atcha crew. We've got a job for you

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