Barack Obama Slams John McCain on the Economy: It's Not Believable
By John Amato Monday Sep 15, 2008 7:10pm 
This is Obama's chance to take away the news cycle from McCain and expose what a fraud he is about his economic approach. McCain suddenly wants to be a reformer. Well, what was he doing all these years in Congress to reform Wall St? Nothing. Obama gives a powerful speech in Golden, CO on the #1 issue in America.
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Make no mistake: my opponent is running for four more years of policies that will throw the economy further out of balance. His outrage at Wall Street would be more convincing if he wasn't offering them more tax cuts. His call for fiscal responsibility would be believable if he wasn't for more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and more of a trillion dollar war in Iraq paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. His newfound support for regulation bears no resemblance to his scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement. John McCain cannot be trusted to reestablish proper oversight of our financial markets for one simple reason: he has shown time and again that he does not believe in it.
They call this the ownership society but what it really means is you're on your own. And we know the results...
And McCain's admitting that conservatism does not work. He has to run away from his own party and his own words to try save himself from the incredible collapse on The Street. America is watching now.
"You are interviewing the greatest free trader you will ever interview, and the greatest deregulator you will ever interview," he said.
We all have to follow rules in our lives, register our cars, get a license to drive, but to McCain---corporations need NO regulations. Well, if AIG goes next---good night now....(Youtube and transcript under the fold)
(ht Heather)
..Make no mistake: my opponent is running for four more years of policies that will throw the economy further out of balance. His outrage at Wall Street would be more convincing if he wasn't offering them more tax cuts. His call for fiscal responsibility would be believable if he wasn't for more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and more of a trillion dollar war in Iraq paid for with deficit spending and borrowing from foreign creditors like China. His newfound support for regulation bears no resemblance to his scornful attitude towards oversight and enforcement. John McCain cannot be trusted to reestablish proper oversight of our financial markets for one simple reason: he has shown time and again that he does not believe in it.
What has happened these last eight years is not some historical anomaly, so we know what to expect if we try these policies for another four. When lobbyists run your campaign, the special interests end up gaming the system. When the White House is hostile to any kind of oversight, corporations cut corners and consumers pay the price. When regulators are chosen for their disdain for regulation and we gut their ability to enforce the law, then the interests of the American people are not protected. It's an ideology that intentionally breeds incompetence in Washington and irresponsibility on Wall Street, and it's time to turn the page.
Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. But here's the thing ... we know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out. I'll provide it, John McCain won't, and that's the choice for the American people in this election.
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McSame has had his chance and he has fail miserably!!!
I've seen this speech about three times today, but have never managed to stay awake to the end of it. How does it end?
Seriously, somebody has got to stop sneaking Valium into Obama's decaff.
Obama HAS to get his message out!! McCan't said yesterday and today that he was talking about workers when he said the economy is fundamentally sound. Bullshit!! He has said this sentence 22 times (according to the Chris Matthews-Hardball just came on for the second time and Matthews will say it again- watch) since January and has NEVER mentioned workers.
On Hardball, Chris Matthews asked Bill Richardson 'where's the passion?' He was arguing that Barry seems to lack passion when speaking about the economy.
In fairness to Barry, where is the LIFE in McCain's speeches? Forget passion. There's no pulse.
It was a stupid question.
Of course Obama has passion. But on this subject, he prefers to be somber. So did Clinton. This is the Clinton rulebook in-play.
Pericles @ 2:
Tweety, is that you? :-)
Why don't they get Biden up there on TV? Create some controversy!!!
Get Howard Dean up there making some noise!!
When you start talking about finance and the economy and Wall Street, most people just change the channel to Disney and ESPN. That's what the Dems don't seem to understand. Most people who vote Republican are dumber than bricks.
MoveOn has a good one:
It's cool to watch the fawning crowds at McCain rallies cheer when McCain promises the unwashed deregulators that he is going to baptize them with oversight.
We are witnessing an intervention of historic proportions when McCain says he will rein in his own party, let alone Wall Street (wink, wink). Next thing we'll hear is that he's going to hold Planned Parenthood fundraisers at the door on the way out.
Is believability a hallmark of republican tradition? No. They only needs lies, a vehicle to spread lies, and mullets to feed off of the lies.
Ok, that seems harsh now that I read what I wrote. Republicans specialize in prevarications. There. That's better. Prevarications is a pretty word that can be marketed.
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 6:
there's a blackout on Biden.
Really Pericles? That was a very rousing speech for me. Apparently his audience thought so as well. Maybe you're being sarcastic. Maybe you need pictures in books to stay focused.
flamethrower @ 9:
then he'll wake up.
He makes so much sense and speaks with such intelligence. He says everything I've been waiting to hear from a politician my entire adult life. Which is why he can't possibly win.
I have 100% faith in Obama. Unfortunately, I have 0% faith in the American public.
Saying that this is Obama's chance to take the news cycle away from McCain ignores the fact that the media are responsible for assigning the news cycle, and they'd much prefer to avoid issues and fixate only on, say, Biden's French cuffs, because they make him seem elite.
I've been engaged in a long-running internal debate on which is worse, the Republicans who lie, or the media who amplify those lies.
Also watch this Chris Matthews. He is going to have Tucker (the original fuckhead) and Tuckkker (I could hardly get the name off my keyboard) was talking out his ass and then he said “I’m going to get fired anyway so I might as well say (I’m not sure but implied) what I think/want” or something like that. It happens at about 42 minutes into the program!
I think
FTucker was claiming his own demise.Emma Hussein Goldman @ 7:
Ok fine. Get Obama out there SCREAMING about lost jobs. Yelling and screaming. People can understand THAT.
bamboozled @ 14:
Unfortunately you are correct... but... speak to them about things that matter to them. JOBS. Their houses. Get back to the war and how it is crippling us. Get Obama people out there and frame the debate to what Obama wants to talk about.
Obama is doomed if all he is going to do is bash McCain. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that McCain is a fucktard when it comes to the economy, but all this negative campaigning signals either that ole Barry aint got shit for a plan, or if he does, he doesn't want to go into any details before inauguration day.. which either way, is not a good look for a politician...
mjULTRA @ 19:
I'm guessing you didn't see the whole speech...
castanea @ 15:
equallt guilty, both. they serve the dark side together. today and yesterday, they bring out republicans andd ask them why they lie. the repugs respond with filibustering attacks on Obama. the media is letting mcPalin say again and again the the ads are not lies. just another ruse by the media.
McEconomist says that he is going to stop earmarks. But… he wants to send $1,000,000,000 to the country of Georgia to fix up their infrastructure. He wants to send fucking earmarks to the country of Georgia!!!
Get on it Obama.
Some are saying that the October surprise could be this financial collapse. Is it possible that Bush will postpone the elections based on this? I've got several friends in Australia and the US who've said that there won't be an election in November. Does anyone think the same? I'm not so sure, but I do think that it's going to be a difficult election (well, blind Freddy could say that!!)
jjasonham @ 20:
he he/she/it knows nothing of the specifics, either. looks like trolling to me....
Lynda from DownUnder @ 23:
Bush suspends this election, I'm throwing bricks through windows, and I don't think I'd be the only one.
What should Obama Do? You folks are the intelligent ones. Obama's campaign people read these comments. I KNOW they do. Tell them what you want them to do!!
McCain doesn't want to rush in and haphazardly reform the banking industry piecemeal, he wants "comprehensive" reform because, after all, his plan for comprehensive immigration reform worked out so well. He wants to leave the banks alone until he can dot every i and cross every t, which will be about 20 years from now.
Lynda from DownUnder @ 23:
Don't you worry. There will be an election. Either that or revolution!!!
mjULTRA@19
Yeah fool, Obama should just let the stupid old man and that psycho church lady alone to LIE endlessly on him....HE CAN'T EVER WIN WITH YOU PEOPLE.
Tucker is coming on Hardball MSNBC. Let's see if he really says he is going to get fired.
Pericles @ 2:
With Obama taking the Oath Of Office ...
Lynda from DownUnder @ 23:
try the war in Pakistan as a first measure of the possibility of interrupting the election. t
ry, also, the US selling 1000 bunker busters to the Israelis.
Then again, there's the rebuilding of the Georgian Army using US personnel and equipment and instructors.
Or maybe the missiles in Poland might set something off.
Or possibly, the Russian fighter/bombers that have been moved into Venezuela.
Or the three Latin American countries who booted their American Ambassadors.
or .....[ENTER CRISIS HERE...]
Unfreaking believable! First the American tax payer bails out Bear Sterns, then Fannie and Freddie and now a private insurance company AIG. How many tax payers realize that just got it up the ass?
www.NYtimes.com
Fed to Give A.I.G. $85 Billion Loan and Take 80% Stake
In an extraordinary turn, the Federal Reserve agreed Tuesday night to take a nearly 80 percent stake in the troubled giant insurance company, the American International Group, in exchange for an $85 billion loan.
The Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase had been trying to arrange a $75 billion loan for the company to stave off the financial crisis caused by complex debt securities and credit default swaps. The Federal Reserve stepped in after it became clear Tuesday afternoon that the banking consortium would not be able to complete the deal.
Without the help, A.I.G. was expected to be forced to file for bankruptcy protection.
The need for the loans became necessary after the major credit ratings agencies downgraded A.I.G. late Monday, a move that likely to have forced the company to turn over billions of dollars in collateral to its derivatives trading partners worsening its financial health.
Until this week, it would have been unthinkable for the Federal Reserve to bail out an insurance company, and A.I.G.’s request for help from the Fed of just a few days ago was rebuffed.
But with the prospect of a giant bankruptcy looming — one with unpredictable consequences for the world financial system — the Fed abandoned precedent and agreed to let the money flow.
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 30:
FRIED?
Obama rocks!
This speech must have hit a nerve -- The Trolls are out in force LOL!
Dhalgren @ 5 says:
"Tweety, is that you? :-)"
Hahahah! Busted.
(Okay, I'll leave now, and return to my office to watch some more Daffy Duck cartoons.)
I wonder if the economic shitestorm has affected Cindy's finances? Is she still worth $100 mil? Is her company still solvent?
but, who sees this?
seriously... besides us civics geeks and political junkies, on these blogs... who else?
damn, he's good...
Andrew @ 33:
Unspoken backroom deal: Foreign banks are raising the money. there is a fire sale on the financial infrastructure going on now. we are being gutted and all the responsible parties will get parachutes made of gold-pressed latinum. (10th Rule of Acquisition: Greed is eternal!)
There are only four flags behind Obama.
Looks like he's got one in his lapel though.
I guess that makes five.
*whew*
I think five should be a minimum.
I'll repeat it again...
Attention people South and East of the Ohio turnpike!
You're broke. You're voting for people who outsourced your jobs. In fact, the Chinese don't even want your crops. They're getting it cheaper in South America.
You're dying. There is a cure to at least temporary stop your impending death, but you cant afford it. The cure is at a "Clinic" but since you're name doesn't begin with "Sheik" and requires insurance, too bad.
Your children are doomed. You can't even afford to send them to college in Ohio. They'll have to join the military to be "better off", only to get PTSD or in a casket marked as cargo. The result of guarding the richest 1-percent (the people youre voting for), for profits.
Why do you elect people out to exterminate you?
America is watching now.
No they aren't.
I'm a grunt working for Registered Reps (selling equities). I see the effects and here the phone calls daily from the clients. People are scared, real scared. We have 5 reps in our branch all of them registered Republicans who voted Bush in 2000 and 2 voted Bush in 2004. All 5 will not vote for McCain. To be fair, they aren't thrilled with Obama but they will not vote McCain. that should tell you something. This country cannot afford McCain.
Watching McCain is like watching a person who is tipsy trying to cross the room. I heard after Palin's speedh, some supporters actually left while McCain was talking tothe crowd. I'm wondering if McCain regrets his choice for V.P.
jjasonham @ 12:
No, he need therapy.
McBush says "We will not let this happen again." WTF? Like he should be given a second chance? Isn't it screwed up too much for a second chance? Come Obama/Biden. Get out there and say it!!
And who's the second "greatest free trader"?
Huh. Go figure.
P.D. @ 44:
Some? I read where they were filing out.
P.D. @ 44:
Palin is THE celebrity. These people don't give a gos damn about McBush. he is too much like Bush.
NewsWeek: Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 18:
The thing that brought Obama to prominence was his stand against the war.
He bludgeoned Hillary with this.
But he hasn't said shit about doing anything about it since securing the nomination.
It is an ongoing horror.
It is the reason that, although I don't want McCain to win, I am completely indifferent to Obama.
Okay, so apparently the American taxpayers are going to bail out AIG in exchange for an 80% position? You know, I'm beginning to think that all of these conservative "privatization" and "free market" wingnuts are actually communist double agents! Because, by the time they finish "privatizing" and "deregulating" the American economy THE STATE will end up owning virtually EVERYTHING. More importantly, the state will end up owning all of the FAILED, DEADBEAT corporations, so that this place will look like the Soviet Union in 1980.
Yeah, that must be it. Bush and his gang are all a bunch of communist double agents. When Konstantin Chernenko was on his death bed in 1984, he said to himself "okay, you capitalist bastards have won THIS round, but I'll have my revenge." Then he told the KGB to release all of the deep sleeper cells in the U.S., to spring up in the guise of neo-conservative think tanks, and "compassionate conservatives." George W. Bush wasn't ever captured by the North Koreans was he? Has anybody ever tried to see what happens if you wave a Queen of Diamonds in front of his face?
klyde @ 42:
I beg to differ. Even Fox News played sixteen minutes straight of this speech...without comment. Believe me, they patted themselves on the back for their "balance" as soon as that sixteen minute mark hit. At least it got through.
Two words: Keating Five!!
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 49:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
McCain is Palin's Bitch. Highly recommended :-)
Question ::::::::::::
Does the Average American know that when they hear that "The Government" is Bailing out these Loan Corporations and Large Banking Institutions and huge Insurance Giants that it is actually the American TAXPAYERS who are going to pay that debt?
Do they know that their children and their childrens' children will probably paying this debt for years to come.
Do they know they are bailing out the same huge Corporations who have been screwing them for years and their CEO's taking huge bailout packages for leaving after ruining these Coporations?
Just Askin'
Gas in $4.50 in NC. Must be Bill Clinton's fault somehow.
I watched his speech today and he was right on. The crowd was very enthusiastic and cheering loudly. I also watched 10 sec. snip-its of John McCains and he said Obama was going to calif to cuddle up with the celebrities, while Ike was in a disaster. But he was right there with the people instead of partying. Well Ohio is not Texas and if he thought that Ike is such a concern for the candidate's then why isn't he down there to hand out water and some of those blackberry's he invented.
14 bamboozled Says: He makes so much sense and speaks with such intelligence. He says everything I’ve been waiting to hear from a politician my entire adult life. Which is why he can’t possibly win.
I have 100% faith in Obama. Unfortunately, I have 0% faith in the American public.
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This won't make you feel any better. It is from TPM. http://www.linktv.org/video/2931 "Less Taxes; More Wars." Yes, this is for real.
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 56:
Answer: NO
The writing has been on the wall and ten banks so far
this yr, will WAMU or Wachovia be next?
McCain believes in enforce existing financial market regulations and not enacting new ones. The there is McCain’s record and involvement in the Keating five - the last big collapse of US financial institutions, that cost taxpayers over $200 billion (in today’s dollars.)
And what is the evidence that it is self correcting? And that is my point, if I don’t like your rating, I can pay someone whose rating I like. THE MBSs were never solid securities, im certain u can agree on that C+ if that.
“Keating used Senator McCain to lobby the Reagan administration successfully to appoint not only Lee Henkel (who then served as Keating’s “mole” on the FHLBB until I blew the whistle on him), but also another individual chosen by Keating. The FHLBB was run by three presidential appointees, so this would have given Keating majority control over the agency regulating S&Ls. The Reagan administration was set to make these recess appointments over the objections of the White House director of personnel, who opposed the appointments because when he called Arizona Republicans to vet the proposed appointments he learned that Keating “had a reputation for buying politicians.”
The only Fallacy of Composition I have observed is malignant McCain saying the fundamentals of our economy are strong yesterday in FL.
McCain promised to ``replace the outdated, patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight.'' During his 26-year career in Congress, McCain has supported proposals to cut, not increase, federal financial regulations.
In 1999, McCain voted in favor of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley banking deregulation act that let commercial banks and investment firms merge for the first time since the Great Depression. And, while he supported the Bush administration's takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, McCain says he wants to sell the mortgage finance companies to private buyers.
And it is true, where did JP Morgan get the loot – US tax payers. Y do I say this? Because JPMorgan Chase and the federal governmentt teamed up on the bailout of Bear Stearns, a last-ditch move to save the investment bank. It calmed the market for a few – but such intervention aint SELF CORRECTING JONES.
The FEDS lent (is that a word) JPMorgan $29 billion as an enticement to buy the troubled Bear and its liabilities. As collateral, JPMorgan put u[p $30 billion worth of WORTHLESS mortgage-backed securities and other complex investments, which are basically the most problematic assets on Bear's books. JPMorgan has to repay the Fed loan with interest at the "discount rate," which is currently 2.5 percent.
The risk to the Fed—and to taxpayers—is IF these MBS turn out to b completely worthless, then the Fed would be out the whole $29 billion. Under the terms of the deal, JPMorgan would pony up the first $1 billion in losses.
And about Mr. Chairman Bernanke: He defended this shit, and in April this year folk said "Given the exceptional pressures on the global economy and financial system, the damage caused by a default by Bear Stearns could have been severe and extremely difficult to contain," that is what he told the Senate Banking Committee.
I would go on and wont even touch Cox because he was being considered. Tell me if I am wrong jones?
Pericles @ 2:
perhaps you bore yourself to unconsciousness?
Andrew @ 33:
Welcome to the Soviet Socialist Republics of America, where every gargantuan enterprise, no matter how deep in doo doo will be propped up.
They are not putting the Fanny and Freddie numbers on the books yet because they are too ugly.
Add another $85 billlion to those hidden numbers. We are going down the tubes fast.
Pericles @ 2:
Wow, are you guys so desperate or creating your own reality is part of the psychosis of the right
McCain just made me laugh. He said the "worker" is fundamentally sound. My first thought was, yeah, the one "worker" left is in great shape. He keeps saying he knows how to solve this problem. After 26 years in the Senate, please let us know now. He knows how to catch Bin Laden. Let us know now. Why do we have to wait for you to be elected before you will let us in on these great secrets? Enough!
dweller @ 41:
I would shake your hand if I could. This is exactly what I was thinking too, but you said it so well. This question could also apply to Kansas, PA, FL and at least two dozen more states. People are so dumbed down and brainwashed that they happily vote for more pain.
The American tax payer is so apathetic to what the idiots in D.C. are doing their eyes just glaze over. The bottom line to all of this is simple. You, your children and their great granchildren will be paying through the nose for this folly this evening with the bailout of AIG. What really pisses me off is that Senator Dodd is already talking about throwing the American tax payer a few crumbs with yet another tax rebate so we can all go Christmas shopping so that the holiday season isn't a total bust.
When the hell will any Democrat Obama included ask for Congressional investigations as to why the system failed, what happend to the banking regulators and who is going to go to jail? Or will those leaving their ivory towers simply take their golden parachutte severence pay and live happily ever after?
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 56:
No, the average American does not know that.
Else they would be very pissed off that their tax dollars are used to cover the loans that they are paying.
This is: The American public is being the proverbial prostitute, except that they get to pay for the bed AND the screw.
Dumber than a bag of rocks the American populace is... (as Yoda would say it).
#26 Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo Says: What should Obama Do? You folks are the intelligent ones. Obama’s campaign people read these comments. I KNOW they do. Tell them what you want them to do!!
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Tell the American people, in concrete and simple terms what you plan to do when you become president to strengthen the economy. I know your policies; they do not.
Focus on the losses: in the value of homes, in 401k's, public pensions, the tightening of consumer credit, loss of jobs for working class, middle class and professionals, etc. Focus on the things that hit home and repeat who will receive the Obama tax cuts. This has been spun out of control by the McCain campaign.
Make sure that people know that lobbyists are the "Washington insiders" that McCain keeps saying he is ridding the country of. Use his language to discredit him.
Run an ad of Sarah Palin discrediting and contrdicting herself, in her own words with no other commentary. Troopergate, women's issues, the economy, the Bush Doctrine, Iraq & September 11th.
Isawthelight @ 51:
Certainly, this has to be a strategic move. I doubt Obama has changed his stance on the war. He probably doesn't want to change the conversation from the economy, which is the biggest bat he can use to clobber McCain with.
The state of the economy is something EVERYONE can feel, not just the people who've felt the immediate effects of the war.
And it happens to be the one McCain is incredibly weak on (Keating scandal, wealthy donors, how many houses?).
Would seem that a number of the current and former Wall Street giants have a lot of clout with Obama. Among his top contributors are Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley. Also interesting that of the 354 lawmakers receiving PAC and employee monies from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac between 1989 and 2008, Obama ranked 2nd (and he had only been in the Senate for 3 of those years).
judithod @ 71:
Source? Link?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 39:
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It's not only GREED, but also knowledge of TOTAL LACK of ACCOUNTABILITY !! And total abdication of GOVERNMENT REGULATORY DUTIES !
To start, WE the PEOPLE have to demand immediate FIRING - SANS golden parachutes, NO 'severance pay' in million$$$ - of ALL top people in these companies, as many layers as it takes. Then (after election probably better chance for justice, with OBAMA) replacement of ALL Feds who were to regulate this mess.
The WHOLE U.S. BANKING SYSTEM HAS TO BE OVERHAULED.
Pressure on KONGRE$$$$ to END ALL LOBBYIST BUSINESS !!!
Steny Hoyer, the lifelong AIPAC tool, who was 80% financed by the BANKING INDUSTRY MUST BE REMOVED from the Dem TOP structure !!
This is the best justification to GET RID of Federal Reserve, the vampire drinking blood of our nation.
Can someone get thru to Obama's campaign and ask them to provide NUMBERS that will show EVERY AMERICAN why they should vote for Obama/Biden : between Freddie, Fannie, AIG, Bear&Stearns, etc, HOW MUCH will every US TAXPAYER have to pay directly. And, INDIRECTLY: higher mortgage and INSURANCE (of ANY kind !) premiums, to start.
This also is the BEST PROOF WHY the PRIVATE INSURANCE must be TAKEN OUT of ANY MEDICAL/Health insurance equation, with UNIVERSAL, ONE PAYER SYSTEM the ONLY sane option !!
The MSM will try to say that Obama is flip-flopping on commissions and cut short what he said, which is
"Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. . BUT HERE’S THE THING … WE KNOW HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS."
Commissions are for finding out what you don't know (or for delaying the truth when you already know the answer)
I am a struggling business owner. I have gone to every government agency known to man, trying to secure capital for my business without any success. Now, I find myself and my kids unwittingly holding the tab these major companies that the government in it's infinite (but highly dubious) wisdom, seem so eager to shower with cash in their times of turbulence. How come no one came to my rescue a few years ago when I had to lay off my staff and close my business, and still struggling to start from scratch again? How do I and other small business owners get a piece of this action? Maybe someone out there knows someone, who knows someone that can help us, the little guys.
Isawthelight @ 51:
Obama should be shouting about how the war is costing $10,000,000,000 a WEEK. He should be shouting it every time he brings up the economy!!
CMINCA @ 59:
Finally, the answer to the question "Why do they hate us?"
Which, by the way, has transformed from "Why do the terrorists hate us" to "Why does the world hate us?"
A: The arrogance to believe that it's your God-given right to invade and bomb a country to steal their resources, just because you have the power to do so.
52 Pericles Says:
Okay, so apparently the American taxpayers are going to bail out AIG in exchange for an 80% position? You know, I’m beginning to think that all of these conservative “privatization” and “free market” wingnuts are actually communist double agents! Because, by the time they finish “privatizing” and “deregulating” the American economy THE STATE will end up owning virtually EVERYTHING. More importantly, the state will end up owning all of the FAILED, DEADBEAT corporations, so that this place will look like the Soviet Union in 1980.
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Textbook Marxist Economics (tho maybe not the way Marx meant it):
"The Collapse of Capitalism will usher in the Age of Socialism."
.. maybe this is a good thing!
Pericles @ 2:
and yours too from the sound of things! It's not an upbeat topic, but definitely something important that needs to be heard. I encourage you to give it one more shot!
Obama is currently falling behind or running even in the following states:
Ohio
Pennslyvannia
New jersey (it's a dead heat)
Why don't you guys get it? you need to start focusing on those polls and less on the issues!!!!!!
If things are so bad, why isn't obama ahead in the polls?
IdiotShrub @ 75:
You have just experienced the Republican trickle down theory. The big lending corporations don’t have any money to lend because of the Republican/Greenspan/Phil Gramm economic policies of the last 8 years. They had a bunch o’cash when Clinton left office and by the time they were done distributing it to themselves there is no more left for the people like you.
You know what. Henry Ford, the asshole that he was, still understood that if the people who were making his cars could afford to buy them he would be a very rich man. The Republicans don’t understand this and keep taking and taking and taking and now the middle class cannot afford their crap so everything get fucked up.
Pericles @ 2:
IF YOU END UP HOMELESS YOU 'LL BE IN NEED OF VALIUM. NO GO BACK TO SLEEP.
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 6:
I wholeheartedly agree!
Clearly this is a time for passion, not passivity. People should be pissed at what's happening. Obama needs to keep people agitated and positive, even in a time of fear.
By all means, put Biden up there. And where the hell is Bill Clinton? Put that guy in front of a mic and a camera and have at it!!
If Obama doesn't grab this opportunity by the balls, I'm afraid people will run for the (perceived) "safety" of Gramps and Supermom Sarah J-oakely.
People want someone to "make it go away"; barring that, shove some hope down their throats.
77 bamboozled Says:
Finally, the answer to the question “Why do they hate us?”
Which, by the way, has transformed from “Why do the terrorists hate us” to “Why does the world hate us?”
A: The arrogance to believe that it’s your God-given right to invade and bomb a country to steal their resources, just because you have the power to do so.
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Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders
"You're either with us or you're against us."
And one by one the nations choose.
On a happier note, Shrubby cancels his "talk" on
theHIS economic meltdown:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080916/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_markets
Maybe he's spending time giving Palin speaking lessons...
fastfeat @ 83:
Abso fucking lutly. If Bill Clinton is in a snit because Hilary didn't get the nomination and thinks that if Obama loses Hill will get a chance in 4 years he is mistaken. If it is perceived (and it will be) that he selfishly helped screw up this election for the Democrats Hill won't have a chance. He better get his ass out there and passionately start campaigning!!!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 21:
That sort of stuff has me worried if McCain wins this November. He'll die halfway through his term, elevating Palin, and she'll be the media's holy darling--like the Virgin Mary is to Roman Catholics. Even if things stay shitty between now and 2012, does anyone think that the media won't guard Palin from Democrats? Think Clinton could beat Palin in a head to head if the media are a factor? Think the media would have the balls to stand up if Palin suddenly reinstated the draft and rattled the sabre with China?
We gotta bury McCain/Palin this time or usher in eight more years of grief masquerading as nationalism. Palin would just be a figurehead, reading from a script written by the neocons.
jm@80
You're a disingenuous, patronizing, liar. People like you continue to ignore the true elephant in the room....bigotry. Don't blame Obama because he can't stop racist Americans from being racist. If not for race prejudice you know damn well this race would have been long over. Fuck the polls.
{ Edited, Get the hint? SiteMonitor}
IdiotShrub @ 75:
Welcome the Republican dream come true. Corporate welfare.
Their ideal is a government that isn't of, by and for the people, but is of, by and for the corporations.
Hence, you need regulators to protect you from predatory lending? You say you'd like inspectors to make sure your kids aren't getting toys with lead paint, or that your family isn't eating Mad Cow meat? You'd like your community to have a nice library or better school for your kid? You want a loan to help your small business?
Foggettabottit.
But investment firms and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac go bankrupt, and we'll bail them out (of course, we won't give back the money lost to investors, which in Lehman's case, cost my local community alone $7 million). You go bankrupt, you're screwed.
You see, the Republicans aren't against taxes, they're just against public funds being used on the public. They want your taxes to go to private profit or to help fund corporations. Because the rich can't make money on things that are public assets, like schools or parks or regulators or inspectors or soldiers or veteran's hospitals.
MountainMan23 @ 84:
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Not to mention, having the ability to shove the nuclear weapons back up the ass of the country from whom you purchased them...
"What a fine mess you've gotten us into this time, Georgie!"
And just how much attention DID this receive on the ABCCBSNBCorporate Disnformation Station, evening version, tonight?
If Obama's team is reading this blog...........tell the people over and over and over that McCain wanted to privatize (tell them what that means) their Social Security. He approved of Bush's plan to PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!!!! And show them where he said it Be specific!
That ought to knock off a few elderly McCain supporters.
Jo @ 91:
Yawn...
It's not about issues. It's about personality and obama doesn't have one!
Barack is the man and we need to get him elected. Email brigades. Letters to the editors. It's time.
Volunteer in other ways if so inclined at www.BarackObama.com
Peace and Love.
Hahah! Yep, Jo, you're absolutely right. If the Bush/McCain plan to privatize social security had been successful in 2005, a whole lot of McCain's solid, 65-and-over base would be living on the street in cardboard boxes right about now.
Remind the public that McCain/Bush wanted you to have your pensions in the hands of the smarter and wiser PRIVATE sector, because the government plan was going to...er...go bankrupt...or something.
capt kangaroo wants to know what obama should say, first that the bush cheny wars are over, obama says in one year the very last american trooper and his equipment will be setting on us soil, the bases and embasy in iraq will be sold to iraq, all troops in afganistan will be withdrawn along with equipment , in one year, every company who sent thier jobs and equipment will be barred from selling thier products in the usa, and they have one year to return here and resume production or else they may as well stay in china mexico or where ever the hell they went to, i want him to say no more handouts to israel or any other country , i want bush cheny and the rest of these cheese eating repigs who stole our tax money in prison and all thier money and property confiscated and returned to the tax payers, i want every lobbiest in washington arrested and given at least five years at hard labor in a federal prison, i want every crooked politician tried as any criminal should be, and after a fair trial spend five years busting rocks in a federal prison, i want him to bust up the media owners hold on our tv news, i got more but its a start!
McCain's speech gave hope to the American people.
According to REICH: In the latter years of the Clinton administration -- when I was not there any longer, I should add -- there was an attempt by Alan Greenspan and Bob Rubin and a few others to deregulate financial markets, and they did. They split commercial banking off from investment banking. And many people say, "Well, that was the beginning of the problem," and then, of course, in 2003-2004, Alan Greenspan reduced short-term interest rates to the point where every single bank wanted to lend money. I mean, if you could stand up straight you could get a bank loan because there was so much pressure to get that money out the door. Money was so cheap. So, yes, there is some responsibility on Democrats, some responsibility on Alan Greenspan and the Fed.
Two of the former CEOs of Fannie Mae are working on the Obama campaign as economic advisors. Franklin Raines and a guy named Jim Johnson.
Can I translate that for you? Franklin Raines was a Treasury employee, some sort of cabinet secretary in the Clinton administration. He ends up at Fannie Mae and pays himself a hundred million bucks from 1999 to 2005, and they finally had to get rid of him because the scandal could not be contained. Democrats propped up this, Carly! Bush didn't do any of this. "Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million." Gorelick again. "In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk. But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America." Hello, Mr. Chris Dodd, number one receiver of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae. "At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households. The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists
By the way, do you know what affordable housing is? Housing nobody can pay for. Housing that people who live in it can't pay. Affordable housing, that's right, is welfare state housing. Next time you hear the term "affordable housing" think welfare state housing paid for by you, me, and all the rest. "The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today's nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. (Rush Limbaugh.com)
74 Don Webber Says: The MSM will try to say that Obama is flip-flopping on commissions and cut short what he said, which is
“Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. . BUT HERE’S THE THING … WE KNOW HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS.”
Commissions are for finding out what you don’t know (or for delaying the truth when you already know the answer)
CORRECTION: Republican commissions are for finding ways to blame the problem on a democrat.
We keep calling the party in control of the executive branch Republicans, for some reason. A true Republican would be a welcome change, or choice. No - what we have here is, to coin a term, is the Religicans. Religion before country, before the people that participate in it, before anything else. That is how we are in the mess we see before us. A Religican is President of the US. A Republican believes in different things than a Religican does. So let's all call the Religicans out as the independent party they are. Let them squabble with Ralph Nader for the 8% or so of the vote that doesn't go to the two major parties. Pay John McCain and his psychotic running mate respect if you like, or you can keep repeating the phrase - Religican, Religican, Religican, and see what happens.
97 HDon Says
74 Don Webber Says: The MSM will try to say that Obama is flip-flopping on commissions and cut short what he said, which is
“Just today, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem. . BUT HERE’S THE THING … WE KNOW HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS.”
Commissions are for finding out what you don’t know (or for delaying the truth when you already know the answer)
CORRECTION: Republican commissions are for finding ways to blame the problem on a democrat.
More of an omission
Blame if they can, delay if they can't
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 86:
We need to capitalize on the short attention span of the American voter in a short amount of time. Throw Bill up there, saying something like:
"Hi folks, remember me? Remember when I was your Prez you had a good job, a couple nice cars, a house, and enough spending money to go to the strip clubs or clothes shopping? How's that workin' for ya under this current guy? Not so good? Well, my fellow Dems Barack and Joe here sure have a mess to dig out of, but these guys can always call me up for help, even at 3AM if necessary."
"Who are the old guy and that Alaska chick (she's pretty hot--did you see her with Hill on Sat Nite Live?) gonna call when they get in a jam? THE SAME GUYS THAT GOT YOU HERE? Bush?--Uruguay. Cheney?--hunting somewhere, probably with Todd Palin. Gramm--Oh pleeez..."
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And WHAT the MSM and rightwing blowhards counter with????
--Impeachment? Bring up Kucinich.
--Philandering? Bring up McCane's first marriage!
--Democrats will raise your taxes?--see the results from above.
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C'mon Barack, take Bill out for a couple of drinks and hammer out your differences like MEN! You need his help, and you won't have to sell your soul to do it.
If McPalin gets the WH, the soul of this country will be given away.
EZ @ 96:
Bullshit. Which party controlled the Congress AND the Senate controlled by from 1995 through to the end of Clinton's presidency (in fact, straight through to 2007)?
I'll give you a couple guesses.
And what was Clinton doing the last TWO years of his presidency?
It certainly wasn't cutting interest rates and deregulating banks. He was the lamest duck in the history of lame duck presidents, being impeached via a bloodless coup.
But then, I'm sure Clinton will be blamed for every financial crisis over the next 20 years, or at least until the next Democrat gets elected.
"Reganomics" or "supply side economics" has never been anything more than giving to the rich and then taking from the poor, or working class. How any middle class American family ever voted for it is beyond me. It's like here take my money, and when you feel you have enough would you please give me some crumbs.
You all try campaigning for 18+ months and keep a fire under your own ass. The guy has to be worn out. At least he gives credit to the American people who are smart enough to understand what he's saying and credit to the American people who aren't as edumacated by speaking slow and concisely. One of his biggest criticisms is that he's an empty suit so now is the time to prove that wrong. He also garnered a lot of negative responses towards McSame by just stating the facts instead of using the Rovian tactics that the entire Rethug party is so eager to eat up like the last piece of meat on a rib. Give him some credit. Biden IS out there raising hell. The media just won't give him fair air time.
A commission! Wasn't there an Iraq Commission? What did McCain do with it's recommendations?
Obama is right we know how we got here and if we let republicans run with their ignorant greedy ideology America is fucked!
right on! @ 79:
Actually he can't ... he's saving himself for the video of Sarah Palin's visit to the U.N. to meet her first Chinaman and give the representatives of Saudi Arabia blow jobs.
[Deleted. Worst spamming concern troll ever. BTW, Aco!, you're banned. Site Monitor]
A concerned observer! @ 107:
Sounds like a great idea for a blog.
Marvin@106 is uncalled for. We are better than that.
i keep reading where the neocon trolls are calling obama "socialist".
does anyone know what "socialist" means?
is that the same thing as when you put deadbeats like freddie mac and fannie mae on the dole?
Ginger Oaks @ 109:
I apologize.
Great speech!
You US citizens need more of this inspiring stuff and not so much of what pop musicians like John Amato provides.
Unless you face the issues head on without the usual spin promoted by sites like C&L - the US will nor progress!
bullfrog@110
to a neo-con socialist means communist but it does not. I teach insurance. And one thing I teach is that insurance is capitalisms answer to socialism. People who get together to pool risk. The only difference is that socialism is manditory, and sometimes manditory is the only way that pooling risk works. Social Security, medicare, employer provided HMO, unemployment insurance, are all socialistic. We need manditory programs for "Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness". Now that is not communism at all. For example single payor health care has worked for Germany for 125 years, and their doctors make house calls, and orthodonture is covered (and what HMO doesn't put a bureaucrat in between you and your doctor already).
I'm going to keep saying this until it sinks in. The American population, on average, as a whole, reads, writes and comprehends at an 8th Grade Level. The Republicans know that they are dealing with a bunch of 14 year old’s, it's easy to lie to them. That is how they were able to destroy this Country in only 8 years. Our educational system, for the majority of us, is a joke. Analytical thought is uncommon, as a result we have the Patriot Act (a law that no congressman had read before voting on it) a national debt of such magnitude that all China has to do is start dumping dollars and we turn into a third-world-nation overnight. As our financial institutions fail and the dollar plummets, don’t think for one minute that the holders of the “Almighty Dollar” won’t cut their losses and start dumping enmass. The Republicans hate Government, they think it is the problem (re: to much regulation) now why would you put people who hate Government and regulations in charge of the Government? What do you think will happen? Do you see the cause and effect? Have IQ’s dropped 20 points in the last eight years?
The present Republican Administration has looted the treasury, gutted our regulatory agencies such as the FDA,SEC,EPA, OMB, the Civil Rights Division and many other agencies, and people act surprised when greed and unfettered, unrestrained, unregulated capitalism takes over. Do you remember the phrase.."let the buyer beware" and purchasing a "pig-in-a-poke" (sans lipstick)?
Does anybody remember the Keating Five and John McCains' roll in the biggest Savings and Loan failure in the history of the United States? Has anyone noticed that John McCains' son "Andrew McCain", sat on the boards of Silver State Bank and of its parent, Silver State Bancorp, and was also a member of the bank's audit committee, and that he resigned from everything, 30 days before the Bank was shut down by federal regulators? Can you say "like father like son"?
DO YOU GET THE PICTURE? EVEN RAY CHARLES COULD SEE THIS, AND STEVIE DOESN'T HAVE TO WONDER ANYMORE! SAVE OUR sOULS
......OBAMA/BIDEN '08
Marvin@111
thanks, and we can all agree that she truly cannot be one breath away from the presidency
Is it just me or has he lost his spunk?
He's putting me to sleep. This is the very first time I've actually been bored listening to him. No wonder the moronic "undecideds" are flocking to the McIdiot and the Moose, they may be saying lies and stupid things, but they're saying them with excitement.
Barack...WAKE THE HELL UP!!! GET MAD!!! STOP ASSUMING EVERYONE'S AS SMART AS YOU!!! THEY AREN'T!!! COME UP WITH SOME SILLY CATCH PHRASES THAT THE MORONS CAN UNDERSTAND!!!!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 32:
Yes, indeed... gawd, the possibilities they have brewing.
The closest he comes to a zinger is the dud about the Ownership Society really meaning You're On Your Own . . . it doesn't work because even lefties feel guilty if we're not making it on our own. You can't criticize the ethic of personal responsibility in America and win. You have to show not that you're on your own, but that you're being owned. No one wants to be the fool.
Marcus Taylor@114
Great post! The future of America is chosen not by people who want to elect someone who "knows". But people who want to have a beer with the president. I agree with Matt Damon; it's like a bad Disney film.
We have to have leaders that we do not identify with, but that are smart and know what to do.
CMINCA @ 59:
Thx for the link.
" Colorado Delegate (R), Gabriel Schwartz, tells Link TV producer, Jack Hamilton, how war with Iran should be made a TOP military priority in order to protect Israel .."
Why isn't this robust, able, but NOT ready guy serving in Iraq then ? To get trained better - if he cares SO much. An independent proof of the FIFTH COLUMN well and alive in our midst, already featured openly by Holy Joe LIEberman. Since he is a DELEGATE, there must be the whole rabid kibbutz w/same priorities, in Colorado, supporting him.
This imbecyl's LOYALTY to ISRAEL ahead of LOYALTY to America is quite common nowadays - not even a blush !! It's called FIFTH COLUMN in history of the world How many sheeple know its meaning?? When the DUAL LOYALTIES will become a serious discussion topic ?
Shouldn't he be placed on the ANTI-AMERICAN suspect list ?
How come pple are not outraged ?!
P.S. The only more peaceful Israeli PM, Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated on 1995 by Zionist exteremists w/links to Peres and friggin Bibi Netanyahooo - the same who rule PNAC, AIPAC, etc. Up till now the fairy tale goes that he was assassinated by Yigal Amir, a radical right-wing Orthodox Jew who opposed the signing of the Oslo Accords - w/out ever mentioning the background. Rabin's hospital reported wounds were inconsistent w/video and witness records. Just as with JFK, Oswald, and the Warren Commission.
Barrak Obama has to start making noise. LOUD noise. It is September 16. Get on the ball. There is nothing to lose except the election itself. If he pulls a John Kerry this country is fucked. If he loses the election it is better to go down in flames than the way Kerry did. None of this namby pamby crap.
We need another speech like the acceptance speech. It has to be about the economy. With Bill Clinton at his side. God damn it I'm not one of his high paid campaign people. GET OFF THE STICK!!
Obama:
Tepid Tea. Just empty rhetoric. This is how you do it:
Get back to the war and weave it together with why the economy is so screwed up for Christ's sake.
Earmarks for the country of Georgia. That is what McBush is talking about. Earmarks for Iraq while they are sitting on $80,000,000,000 in New York banks. Why am I paying for Iraq's infrastructure.
Why am I paying for Alaska's infrastructure. Palin got over $200 per person in earmarks for Alaskans meanwhile she handed out checks for $1200 dollars to each of them last week. How come Joe Sixpack and Betty Winebox don't know this?
Otay @ 121:
OK Otay!!
NOMOBULL @ 82:
Trust me, if I end up homeless and destitute it will only be because I sold everything I owned to donate to Obama's campaign. But I'd hate to have him lose just because he doesn't know how to ignite peoples' passions, or tap in to the almost LIMITLESS supply of righteous indignation that the American public feels after eight years of Republican corruption, arrogance, and incompetence. I almost wish he'd payed more attention in Jeremiah Wright's sermons, he might have learned how to do it.
At this point my last hope is that he and Biden are playing the famous "low expectations" game, and will come out swinging during the debates. However, on days when catastrophic things happen, like today, you're missing a golden opportunity to tap into people's sense of shock and outrage over the status quo.
Luckily, the press seems to be covering his ass today, due to their current spat with McCain. I thought the speech as a whole was flat and not as inspiring as it easily could have been. But the TV news media seems to be editing it in a way that gives it more punch.
Rif @ 117:
Duh!!! Americans have been 'owned' since reagan and you've just shown me why. Because even after a man of insight and no small intelligence explains it to you, you still don't get it. Amazing.
Corporations have no social conscience. They are unable to take the greater public good into consideration. They are bound, by the very laws that define their existence, to only consider what's good for the stakeholders.
And when stakeholders don't make their voices heard at the board room tables, only the bottom line matters.
Corporations become psychopathic. They only consume. The grow at all costs.
Americans can choose a brighter more conscious path toward the future. A path where their voices are heard and those who are vulnerable have a chance to make something better of their lives.
*increasing* regulation on these corporations to ensure that they do not run rampant at the expense of the humanity they were created to serve, is essential to finding the sign post pointing to that brighter path.
What does Barack Obama know about an ownership society? He's never lived in one!
How many of you own a home?
If you think you actually own a home, then tell me, where's the deed to the property?
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Most Americans DON'T own a home. What they "own" is a payment book, and thirty years of enslavement to a bank.
But go ahead. PRINT MORE monopoly money... THAT'LL fix things.
Perfect speech. That's everything Democrats have to keep reminding the country about Republicans and McCain. We have to keep pointing out that it's not just about McCain and Palin, but Republicans stacking the federal government with people who have spent their lives fighting AGAINST government and working for the wealthy and powerful.
So we get an FCC that thinks its job is to make Big Media's wishes come true. We get an EPA that thinks its job is to let big companies pollute more and endanger people's lives without government interference. We get an FDA that works for Big Pharma, not the American people. We get an Interior Department that is literally in bed with the big oil companies. That's the Republican way. Bush and Cheney haven't been running an incompetent administration. That's a myth. It's been a very deliberate attempt to hand the country over to their favorite special interests through government intervention.
I loved the speech. I wouldn't have written it any differently myself. Obama and Biden have to keep reminding Americans that McCain is a REPUBLICAN. He does what Republicans do.
Obama seemed kind of tired but picked it up at the end. The campaign needs to really latch on to the talking points he started listing at 5:20. Enough of this long-winded rhetoric that goes over the head of the majority of Americans. Take the truth, distill it down into single sentences and repeat them OVER and OVER again. The Republican party does this again and again because they know it works!
A concerned observer! @ 107:
Hell, I didn't think it was that threatening...
But for a minute, I thought my sponsor and my boss might be channeling my dad from the grave....
James @ 128:
So, what's your solution ? Or, McLame's ?
Fire the intertubes and figure out how to get to Hooola-Goola Islands. Let us all know - everybody's fed-up w/doodoo we are in, but cannot deal w/your problem while the Rome burns. It IS an enhanced slavery system. We, Americans, created it. We are number 1 !!! USA, USA - we'll have to deal with this later, right now there is shortage of all for the slaves, and owner's arse is on fire. Reports of similar in other plantations, as in the old country. And, the cancer of 'allies' type, metastasized already. Stay tuned - nobody tells us how much more monopoly money was printed in the meantime by McSame's buddies - the old country pple report the value of $$ went down in double digits within last few days in relation to not-funny Euro amd major continental currencies... Directive 51 is a possibility..
I want the Obama campaign to run two sets of ads - one set that tells the voters why they should vote for Obama/Biden, and another set of ads that tells the voters why not to vote for McCain/Palin.
The only McCain ad that I've seen not attacking Obama is the one that claims he and Palin are a team of "Mavricks" (intetionally spelled wrong - like the poster at the RNC). Everything else has been lies - blatant unsubstantiated lies. The Obama campaign's attack ads use McCain's own words, and actions, against him. Negative? Yes, but not deceitful for dishonest.
DeLaRocha @ 130:
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 123:
Captain ENOUGH Kangaroo @ 121:
LOUD does NOT mean better. His message has been pretty consistent along the long way. He has to be at the level of the folks who come to see/hear him, not us, the 'more informed' on C&L. It would get much too 'over' if he'd been on Invesco Field acceptance speech wave every day.
His speeches are quite clear and logical - if you follow the video clips by date, there IS an order in this madness, despite unbelievable physical strain of the campaign. Thank God he does not give never ending 'personal folksy examples' as Hilary did each time ("Sharon, from Kalamazoo, who has to get up and pee every night..' Sharon, plse stand up"). She was very LOUD, without real substance.
What I am pissed about is WHERE IS THE DeMOCRATIC PARTY supporting Obama/Biden ticket - BO should stay on the message (kicking the repig butt, but with reason the folks will remember when they leave the hall, to tell others) . The dems of ALL stripes should be VERY LOUD. Where are they, the spineless scum ??
WHO is actively campaigning for Obama/Biden ticket ?? ANY DEMS ????
ldzppln @ 133:
Did/ could you send it to Obama's campaign ?
Rif @ 117:
The closest he comes to a zinger is the dud about the Ownership Society really meaning You’re On Your Own . . . it doesn’t work because even lefties feel guilty if we’re not making it on our own. You can’t criticize the ethic of personal responsibility in America and win. You have to show not that you’re on your own, but that you’re being owned. No one wants to be the fool.
Duh!!! Americans have been ‘owned’ since reagan and you’ve just shown me why. Because even after a man of insight and no small intelligence explains it to you, you still don’t get it. Amazing.
Of course I get it--that's why I want him to say it, to an audience practically starving to be fired up.
I did just hear the long speech on satellite from Golden, CO, and it was not at all morose.
So? Obama is literally, preaching to the choir here. He NEEDS to get this message out to the Republicans and especially the independents! These are the people who need to hear this shit! Not the people who go to hear Obama or read this blog!
Oh yes, I finished that post before I finished what I meant to say....he needs to get out there and debate this old fool McCain, where EVERYBODY is listening! Then Obama will make more sense!
Like a broken record...
McCain/Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
Honor comes through honesty.
As I said in a different thread about his advertising, Obama is doing a horrible job at personalizing his message to the voters. He's talking in overarching themes, instead of speaking directly to the auto worker, the outsouced tech worker, the single mom, and the foreclosed family. If he can't find a way to connect with the voters about why these issues are important, then he's just this year's version of dukakis...right on all the issues, but a loser in November.
And, that's not even taking into account what will undoubtedly be weak and feckless responses to GOP voter suppression efforts, and the fact that a significant percentage of Americans will be voting on still-hackable electronic voting machines owned by GOP supporters.
He's moving in the right direction, but if he still refuses to name criminality as "criminality", or liars as "liars", or thieves as "thieves" and so on, in exactly those words, his message is not even going to register in the awareness of the people he most needs to convince - in other words, people who do not get nueance. He also needs to point out over and over and over again, that the American people are being screwed, using the specific word "screwed". He's running out of time to figure this out.
Great job, Obama! Hitting Johnny "The Deregulator" McCain where it hurts! More please!
Wow. He's amazing. He speaks for me.
I'm bored to tears with BO. His non-pick of Hillary will go down in history as one of the biggest blunders in presidential politics. We had it won easily. No slight on the wonderfully qualified Biden, but the GOP one-upped us yet again, and now we're stuck with the least qualified candidate in history. Hillary would be up by 15 points over McCain/Romney right now. There would be no Palin.
But at least the supposed "progressives" "won".
Now you can enjoy a few years of President Palin.
Congrats.
Saloum @ 144:
Hillary would have also solved global warming, fix the economy, grow to be 10 feet tall, and would be spotting flames out of her nostrils to still the fear of god in McCain by now. Right?
Some Hillary supporters sure are "hillary-ous" in their denial.
And by all means, keep undermining the democratic candidate and give traction to the GOP clusterfuck. Please! We should all be so lucky to endure 4 more years of this just so you can prove to us how "right" you were.
Either help out or get out of the way... she lost the primaries, deal with it.
Darth_romney @ 137:
Hello? This was on all the networks.
Do some of you really even think before posting?
Saloum @ 144:
Troll much?
It is fantastic that a DLC friendly Democrat is finally acknowledging the fact that deregulation not only destroys the middle class, but also democracy as we know it........but Obama is also being disingenuous in that he is NOT acknowledging the fact that too much of american's tax dollars are funneled into the bloated and corrupt military industrial congressional complex.....when we see and hear more of that kind of truth then i will begin to think that the Democrats are snapping out of their thirty year funk.
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