CNN Demolishes Every McCain Campaign Lie
By SilentPatriot Tuesday Sep 16, 2008 12:00pm
This is by far the most thorough debunking I've seen to date on the myriad of lies coming from Team McCain.
Obama wants to teach sex to kindergarteners? Lie.
Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere? Lie.
Palin hasn't taken earmarks as Governor? Lie.
Alaska produces 20% of America's energy? Lie.
Palin visited Iraq and Ireland? Lie.
HT Jed, who adds:
As the campaign moves towards a focus on the economy, it's worth keeping in mind that McCain's lies are relevant because the demonstrate the fundamental emptiness of his campaign. He is devoid of ideas and solutions; lies are the only thing McCain has left.
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"McCain’s lies are relevant because the demonstrate the fundamental emptiness of his campaign. He is devoid of ideas and solutions; lies are the only thing McCain has left. "
Couldn't have said it better. ; 0 )
If Mccain wants Obama to do town halls and take questions on the same stage as him so badly, Obama should say he will do them if Palin does them with Biden at the same time!!
Why then isn't his Mccain's VP pick doing town halls and taking questions from the public,..
CNN shows a back bone, after being slighted and decried as irrelevant by McCain?
Wow. It won't last.
And besides, CNN have already lost so much credibility. One little show like this is not enough to repair the damage.
Lies will work just fine because everyone else is involved in them.
They keep saying it's getting ugly on both sides. Where has Obama gotten ugly? Sarcastic? Yes. Funny? Yes. But most of Obama's most pointed ads are in response to McCain's lies.
If lying was a contest, Obama would be getting his ass handed to him.
OMG!!
They've essentially said "our voters are stupid and will believe what we tell them"!
How insulting!!!!!
Good for CNN.
But it's a little late after carrying so much of the neocons' water for so long.
"McCain is lying, but its working!"
This is the media shit i keep hearing over and over again.
Why won't they just stop at, "McCain is lying?"
Gayle @ 2:
Well, in all honesty... McCain's definition of town hall is "a rehearsed Q&A session with a room full of GOP die-hard supporters."
That is why McCain honestly though that having their 1st "town hall" at a fundie mega church was the epitome of neutrality.
Rather than refuse, Obama should have just proposed to carry the next "town hall" at a Local XXX or UAW meeting, or heck a even a top university campus. And you would have seen McCain refusing to appear faster than he cheated on his first wife.
And WTF is Rove doing commenting on anything at all?! He should be in jail for contempt of Congress.
Not to defend Rove, but Congress IS contemptable and Rove has proved it.
Man, I was a little worries last week, but now I'm getting more and more confident every day. Let's hope Obama and Biden keep up the pressure.
“McCain’s lies are relevant because the demonstrate the fundamental" Lack of character in the man and the campaign.
I like the use of "fundamental." Cf. "fundament"--where the ads originate.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 7:
In deed.
Why have they waited months to do so. Their job is to report the inaccuracies/lies as they happen! Not months after the fact, and thus allowing the GOP to get their narrative/perception out.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamafund17-2008sep17,0,22214...
Barack Obama raises millions in Beverly Hills:
. . . But Obama said he was "confident about winning because I've looked at John McCain, I've looked at Sarah Palin, I've looked at their agenda, and they don't have one."
"They don't have answers to our economic problems," he said, "and they don't have answers to our foreign policy problems."
Why is CNN speaking out? Who's done the interviews with Sarah Palin? CBS and FOX. The media are not happy with the blackout.
Meanwhile, Candy "one more cookie' Crowley was asked yesterday who was lying more ...Obama or McEvil .. as if Obama has lied at all .. which he hasn't...and she said it was not up to her to judge who has lied more ........ someone finally held out another cookie for her, like a shinny lure, and she finally squeaked that, yes, McEvil is nothing but lies ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
Tyler Durden @ 13:
They have not done their job since before 1980.
The bigger and louder the lie, the more people will believe it.
McCain's biggest weakness in the coming election is that the base is demoralized and may not vote. The more Palin/McCain are in the press, even negatively, the more the base will rally.
Where the heck did Tucker Bounds get his brain transplant? From an Afghan Hound?
Arf Arf
(Hint -- check out number 79)
McCain is playing a dangerous game, he is testing the loyalty of the Media to him and the RNC spin. Usually when you are caught in a lie or half truth you quickly pull back or offer clarification, not McCain. Even as the Media debunked lie after lie his campaign continued to spew those very lies. Well it seems the media is coming awake with a collective WTF? McCain is walkng a thin line complaining the media is biased, which usually works as the media falls over backwards proving how "fair" it is. Not this time I hope. Grow a pair media! I like how they will say well Both parties are doing it, in relation to a halftruth or outright lies, well thats a fair statement if it's true, now is Mccain telling 20 lies really the moral equivalant of Barack telling one or two or a few halftruths? I would argue no, thats like saying a negligent homicide is the same as a serial killer, but both killed someone so it's even, you make up your mind public.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWoGulgbec&feature=related
This is for Dennis because he'll be here soon with his GOP apologetic bullshit. These fuckers LIE TO DISTRACT every day. Just think what these assholes will do when they have Presidential powers.
"It's getting pretty ugly on both sides".
"Both campaigns need to pull back the false smears".
Etc., etc.
No they don't. The McCain campaign does. The Obama campaign is not lying about anything. This very reporter just spent five minutes cataloging outright lies from the McCain campaign, and the one thing cited against Obama was, IMHO, untrue. McCain *DID* say we should be ready to stay in Iraq for 100 years if that's what it takes to pacify the country. Period. Not 100 years of having a base there, ala Germany or Japan.
Jesus Christ.
It's much harder to unlearn a lie one has come to believe than to remember the truth from the beginning.
It's great to hear that the press is calling McCain out for his lies.
This takes the edge off all future McCain messages. His campaign is not a reliable source of information.
I wonder if McCain will go bananas during the debates. He seems to constantly be choking back rage. It's as though he can tell his career is taking a dive.
Obama wants to teach sex to kindergarteners? Lie.
Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere? Lie.
Palin hasn’t taken earmarks as Governor? Lie.
Alaska produces 20% of America’s energy? Lie.
Palin visited Iraq and Ireland? Lie.
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Wash their mouths out with Lye soap!!!
as if anyone would even introduce a bill to teach sex ed to kindergarteners.
JoeSixPack @ 19:
Credit where credit id due:
"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed." - Joseph Goebbels Hitler's Propaganda Minister
xoites defends Constitution @ 18:
Well, in all seriousness... they have done "their" job. It is just that their definition of what the job is wildly tangential to what the common/expected definition used to be.
Dale @ 5:
I remember reading one example of how "both sides" had "lied". The "McCain thinks anyone making under $5 million is middle-class" remark.
That's about as bad as it gets with Obama. Not even a lie. Just a slight exaggeration of something McCain _did_ say.
Left&Left @ 24:
When?
I just saw Obama's latest 2 minute ad on Daily Kos. It is well done, informative, lists his solutions succinctly and calls for real change. http://www.dailykos.com/
John McCain "Country First" - Lie.
25 Cat Atomic
They could accuse the Obama campaign of selective editing on mcgramps wants us to fight a 100 year war in Iraq, and the middle-class include those making up to $5,000,000.00, and a few other points, but for the most part they have actual facts, and perhaps a little political hyerbole and arabesques.
The accusation of quoting out of context is an old one, and not nearly as egregious of making an issue of cosmetics on porcine species.
Well, it's a start. Hopefully not also the end of it.
turd blossom is just feeling pissy because mcsame won't sign on as his newest butt puppet. He's already got corporate masters telling him what to do and say. And let's not forget his friends the religious whackjobs.
It's a good piece but it's still way too nice. And if you're trying to tell the world not to trust a pair of obvious liars, you should call them liars and not allow them and their mouth pieces to continue to spew their crap through out your piece. I also noticed that they were careful to be sure an include the lie that Obama is a liar. Nice touch.
I bet I'm awaiting moderation for using the word arabesque.
Might be a racist term.
it's not democracy if there can be only one winner ;(
If only 50.1% of voters gave a damn....oh well.
The principle behind the facist propaganda technique called the Big Lie is that, if you keep repeating it/them long and often enough, lies will eventually be accepted as 'true' by a sizeable portion of the 'target audience,' who will come to believe the 'truthiness' of them and accept them as true, despite any documentation to the contrary...
Well, there's lying and there are factual inaccuracies, exaggerations, etc.
To compare the Obama campaign to McCain's is ridiculous, but Obama has come in for his fair share of criticism from the various "fact checkers."
It always pisses me off when they do put out something less that perfectly true -- because the truth is horrible enough to hang McCain
fiveten times over. If only the American people weren't so effin' stupid.I know all about Godwin's Law, but I'm still tempted to say that McCain is beginning to make the BIG LIE look like a tiny little fib. The guy has no integrity left at all.
This is a great site to check on to see who is lying, sort of lying or pants on fire lying.
Notice how even when CNN is debunking a plethora of McCain lies they still deem it necessary to say that Obama's campaign has lied as well; or when they mention the nastiness of McCain's campaign they also group Obama's campaign in with the nastiness.
They gave one example of an Obama "lie" with the 100 year war. The only problem with that is that John McCain actually said he was okay with keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years. He tried to frame it like our situation with the troops we keep in Germany, but even McCain has admitted that an sort of lingering troop presence in Iraq wouldn't resemble the presence we have in other regions of the world.
I'd love to know what they were talking about when CNN said Obama's campaign was contributing to the nastiness. Perhaps Obama's 100% correct rhetoric about John McCain being partially responsible for the current economic meltdown?
Why can't the news media understand the difference between a perfectly accurate criticism and a bald faced lie?
Palin wouldn't lie. She's a goooood Chreeestian.
Tucker's lies knows no Bounds.
CMINCA @ 34:
Except for the fact that the ideas of the left have not even been worn yet, let alone worn out, i think it is a good ad.
xoites defends Constitution@33
I got you....you're right. I think things will be even worse with McBlackberry.
The only Obama "lie" the CNN folks mention is the 100 years in Iraq quote. Didn't McCain SAY the U.S. should stay in Iraq, even if it takes 100 years? He may not have said WAR, but he did say 100 years in Iraq ---- I think.
You should love this guy Tucker Bounds..he's SO stupid and doesn't realize that he is taking howitzer hits every day - all day... talk about fodder!!! This fool will have so many holes in him before November that Swiss Cheese will look solid - BUT, he'll be ready for a high level staff job at the Chimpy liberry (mis-spelled intentionally) at SMU soon!!! (along with Carly)...
Maybe the new flavor of Rovian KoolAIde has thrown them off their stride.... Lie often - lie repeatedly - lie to yourself and soon you will believe too!!
PATHETIC.
What is mind boggling is that the media (finally) is calling out McCain and Palin on their lies and they simply don't give a shit -- they keep repeating the same lies!
Have the no shame?
I posted this yesterday in the afternoon. Some of you may not have seen it. Dennis Miller is a pragmatist. He does not shoot from the hip. Frankly I was not sure if he was a Republican or a Democrat. He posted this on a forum where he does not post very often but his posts are well thought out on every subject he posts.
He starts out the post with this: “She has been a good governor for Alaska, no doubt about that in my personal opinion.” Then he says “We got the following from a very good friend of ours, a recently retired elementary school teacher…”
The letter goes on with :
“I have lived here for 30 years, and yes, my family enjoys many activities in the outdoors and in the wilderness. We own guns, we hunt, we fish,we enjoy moose burgers and caribou and salmon and halibut. We pick blueberries and cranberries and harvest gardens. We have sailed in Prince William Sound, the Gulf of Alaska and in Southeast Alaska. We have hiked and kayaked in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other wilderness areas. We are active citizens, always vote, have raised two children here, and are proud to live in Alaska. But Governor Palin would never be our choice vice-president.”
“The more I have learned about this candidate since her selection, the more concerned I have become, both about what she is and what she isn't.”
“Her relatively high approval rating may well be due to the "honeymoon" effect of her short tenure to date. That "honeymoon" was starting to end, however, since even before this VP nomination. Questions had already been raised by Alaskans about Palin and her professionalism and judgment.”
This is only some of the letter. Please read all of it as it is very pertinent. Rmember, this is a letter that was sent to Mr. Miller and others from a recently retired elementary school teacher.
Required @ 40:
...it will be close enough to defraud the electorate.
Just felt you thought needed an accurate completion.
Brady @ 44:
Great minds and such.
The corporate media is nervous. They are coming to grips with Anita Bryant being a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Required @ 40:
Republican cheating is more than enough to over come a .1% loss.
They should use the Simon and Garfunkel song "the Boxer" as their theme, well just the "lie, lie, lie..." part.
35 DigitaLiberacion’ Says: John McCain “Country First” - Lie.
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John McCain "Country Club First" - Truth
The advantage that the Republican party has over the Democratic party in an election is that there are more gullible people in the Republican party. People who believe in magic Jesus or the tall tales of Rush Limbaugh are not well known for rigorous fact checking. Simply tell a conservative what he/she wants to hear and you have their vote.
Does anyone think it's hardly a coincidence that this critical reporting is coming along now?
- After the inevitable and predictable media flurry on Palin - which apparently didn't take quite the angle McCain was gaming for, the McCain campaign got hostile against media. A classic losing strategy, and one that doesn't do much to change Palin's image as petty and vindictive either.
- At the same time, McCain goes out and releases ads which break all previous records for dishonesty.
- McCain goes on "The View" and gets more hardball questions than he's had from the news media. Ouch. That had to be a wake-up call for the journalists.
In short.. I think McCain's media honeymoon is rapidly coming to an end. It's about time!
McCain has integrity? Lie.
Palin is a maverick? Lie.
Tucker Bounds has a brain? Lie. Total lie. Unspeakably untrue.
McCain is a senile old cretin who will say or do anything to win this election? True.
Sarah Palin is a a vicious moose-killing, Right Wing religious nut case? True.
Tucker Bounds may be the dumbest sumbish on the planet? True.
49 Dale Says: The only Obama “lie” the CNN folks mention is the 100 years in Iraq quote. Didn’t McCain SAY the U.S. should stay in Iraq, even if it takes 100 years? He may not have said WAR, but he did say 100 years in Iraq —- I think.
Yes he did. A military presence in Iraq is going to cause conflict, even in peacetime. This was the primary reason Osama bin Laden was upset with the U.S., our presence on Arab soil.
Why the shit is this even a contest? Seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk A testy John McCain responses with "100 Years in Iraq".
Elaboration on Face The Nation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWoGulgbec&feature=related
So now CNN is debunking lies? Over the years they have kissed Republicans asses. Could they now realize our country is on the brink of catastropy? You bet your ass they do. Now here we are, after 8 years of propaganda to favor the GOP. On the brink of disaster. Two wars, no money, Jesus, I can't list all the problems. Maybe CNN did a little soul-searching? Well, it's too friggin late.
Alexdem @ 60:
I think that pretty much sums it up...
momly @ 6:
The voters are stupid. How else would you explain that the polls are close and that Bush got a second term?
One of the most important statements in that video clip was. " That the base will believe what they are told by the campaign".
Twisting Obamas wish to teach Kids "how to avoid sexual predators" into Obama "wanting to teach kids sex ed", is sickening.
I don't know why the Obama Campaign doesn't just say "McCain; he isn't an old fool, just a fool."
Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter
McCain camp calls Fey’s Palin portrayal ‘sexist’
Plus: Cindy McCain says ‘View’ hosts ‘picked our bones clean’
FIRST THOUGHTS: HAS THE WORM TURNED?
if Karl Rove says the word "lie" his head will explode. (part of the deal he made with the devil... dick cheney)
blue @ 16:
give candy a cookie and she'll do or say anything. btw, is she related to the she-devil monica crowley?
The reporter fell back into that tired old meme of trying to cover her ass by saying "..getting pretty ugly on both sides..." when there was no mention of any "ugly" Obama claims. Typical MSM effort to give the impression that they aren't biased. In this case, a totally unnecessary comment. The subject of the story was the McCain-Palin lying taking place on a daily basis. They proved that point, so just shut up at the end.
You're kidding, right? Dennis Miller. You weren't sure if Dennis Miller -- Right Wing neo-con fascist nut case Dennis Miller -- was a Republican or a Democrat. You simply must get out more.
Dennis Miller does not shoot from the hip? Lie.
rhl @ 59:
Exactly. I think that's why the GOP enjoys so much fundamentalist support, honestly. These people have been trained from Day One to think that belief in the face of contradictory evidence is a virtue. You cannot convince a fundamentalist of *anything* they do not want to believe-- no matter how rational or well-supported your argument it.
I think the early indoctrination fundamentalists receive is almost a form of brain damage.
momly @ 6:
But how true.
63 Moonglum Says: Why the shit is this even a contest? Seriously.
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1. Certain Americans have a strange facination with putting one of their own in office. Plain spoken and knee-jerk reactions win over intellect, common sense and experience.
2. Certain Americans are still racist and will never vote for a black man.
LegallyBlonde @ 51:
Please give one example, just one, of an Obama lie!
I'm waiting.....
Moonglum @ 63:
Many "religious" people think God wants them to vote for Palin.
Don't forget that 89% of Americans believe Noah got 2 of every species (and a male and a female to boot) onto a boat smaller than Yankee Stadium. A little investigation into the number of species on Earth would debunk that theory.
(Hint: According to the latest counts, scientists have described over 1.5 million species of animals, plants and algae. Millions more have not yet been identified and classified.)
Tucker: "...need to pay closer attention to our advertisements..."
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We here DO pay attention to them. Then dismiss them.
She ends the segment with "it's getting ugly on both sides". How? They pointed out one misstatement from the Obama campagin related to 100 years in Iraq. That's it. How does that even compare.
Just the same, I hope a lot of people view this segment.
Alexdem @ 60:
I find the timing very interesting, but I think it has more to do with the fact that we're seeing the financial system crumble, and with it, our world influence. I think some people just got a wake up call, and another four years of Bush policies will leave *them* less wealthy.
Maybe Noah only needed some 'key' species; the others evolved from them..
.. wait. I'm doing this wrong...
Actually, it is way too late (which is not to say Obama can't win). Once the lies have been accepted (as they have been by lots of people) it is almost impossible for those people to unlearn those lies and return to reality.
Alexdem @ 60:
Honeymoon?!? That was a full-on marriage! I'm wondering how long Cindy's gonna hang in there after McSame loses the election.
oh really @ 72:
"Finally, a President who gets it!"
- Dennis Miller, on the mic at the first Bill Clinton inaugural ball.
Opportunist, a very unfunny one, to boot.
76 marv parker Says
Mary, you might just want to re-read what you responded to, I think you missed something.
€Punk @ 81:
EXACTLY!
Mick Piobr @ 10:
Ah, but he's "too big to let fail"....
McCain will be a lonely, (Cindy-less), empty, pathetic shell of a person after this election.............as he SHOULD BE having been so reckless and irresponsible in pursuit of power. What a LOSER!!!
Come on guys let's move beyond kindergarten and get to the real issue the economic genocide-war on Americans.
Yeah we know you'll be fine if your 70 years of and older and got into the stock markets and everything back in the early 1960's or your floating on your parents and family inheritances.
CNN was already backtracking last night on "360," claiming that the Obama Campaign has played dirty as well. They consider Obama playing dirty when he responds to the lies. His ad where is uses the newspapers quotes about McCain's lies was one example they used. After watching the incredible segment of crap, the viewer was left with the impression that standing up for yourself if playing dirty. They noted that the lies and smear from McCain seem to have worked in moving the polls. I would offer, that the media not calling out the lies forcefully and frequently has been what has helped McCain as well. I thought journalists were supposed to investigate, verify and report the truth, not this "he said she said" garbage.
the idea that dinosaurs have somehow become "extinct" is another example of the radical left trying to kill God. We have evidence of Dinos walking the Earth everyday. one need look no further than the top of the Republican ticket to see a fine, albeit failing, example of a living Dinosaur and his mate, Idiotosaurus and Cavegirl.
Dennis Miller is a pragmatist. He does not shoot from the hip. Frankly I was not sure if he was a Republican or a Democrat.
Oh - you mean Sheckie Goebbels...
fastfeat @ 87:
Bullshit!
oh really @ 82:
And the way many of these rightwing twits breed, many kids, conceived after the McPalin nomination, already KNOW Obama is a Muslim...
L.A. Confidential @ 89:
The real issue is that the real issues get the shaft when the media goes on for a week about Obama calling Palin a pig when he didn't. Do you have a grasp of how the media is destroying this country?
What is it with dweebs named Tucker?
That guy's idiocy knows no Bounds ... ;)
Gotta like that reporter's obligatory "moral equivalency" at the end: Both campaigns are playing ugly ...
Actually, it's the Repugs who play ugly, and the Dems who have to react to it.
Don't any of those people who go to hear McPain/Palin feel like fools when they applaud these lies? I know plenty of republicans that in ordinary conversation I find likable and intelligent. then they will cheer their fool brains out for "pitbull" and "straight talk" and "thanks but no thanks" and I just think, really? Don't you feel stupid? Do you just suppress all of that and chant along "war is peace, peace is war"?
Unfair Sense Of Balance
If CNN and the rest of the MSM keep trying to make the claim "they both do it," it minimizes what John McCain is doing so outrageously. Every time the media does a truth piece, they throw in Barack Obama does the same thing. I think these fact checks are doing more to provide damage control then to set the record straight.
I recall what McCain said about 100 years in Iraq, and Obama is not exaggerating at all.The problem I having with the MSM is two fold:
1. The examples they give for Obama are very weak and questionable. They are no where near the same kind of lying the McCain camp is putting out.
2. It is time the MSM stop trying to balance every wrong doing with balance. I am not saying overlook the other candidate's transgressions; however, what I am saying is by balancing wrongs like McCain's and Palin's, you are saying "it is one of those things candidates do." It removes the event from the sever nature of its actions.
In all, I say it was nice to fact check McCain and Palin, but there was no need to make it seem in just one of those things candidates do. By the way, if you really want to see what Sarah Palin is about, check this out here.
Joseph
CMINCA @ 62:
I hate McCain, but I also really hated this line by Obama. The 100 year war thing was bullshit and everyone went along with it because they hated McCain.
Our presence in Germany, South Korea and Japan prove your assertion that our military presence causes conflict in peacetime. True, it may be more likely to happen in the middle east where tensions are flaring, but a US Military presence does not mean more conflict is guaranteed. Would our presence in Iraq for 100 years mean more conflict, my personal opinion is yes but that is all it is personal opinion.
Was it a lie, yes. It was a lie of omission. Was it a lie anywhere near McCain's lies... Hell no. McCain had honor and integrity. After the teaching kindergartners comprehensive sex ed ad, no. He has none. That was just complete and total bullshit.
No honor, no integrity, no McCain.
58 CMINCA Says: 35 DigitaLiberacion’ Says: John McCain “Country First” - Lie.
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John McCain “Country Club First” - Truth
Exactly!
73 Cat Atomic Says: rhl @ 59:
I think the early indoctrination fundamentalists receive is almost a form of brain damage.
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I think its child abuse. Watch Jesus Camp. Sick.
liberalNmoderation @ 93:
Sorry, forgot the snark....
It's the FU*KING ECONOMY STUPID
POUND IT IN!
34 CMINCA Says: I just saw Obama’s latest 2 minute ad on Daily Kos. It is well done, informative, lists his solutions succinctly and calls for real change. http://www.dailykos.com/
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Same ad here on Obama's site:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/planforchange_ad/
And here's Obama's 10 point plan for the economy, mentioned in the ad:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
haymaker @ 29:
The funny thing is that their lies, as an exercise in projection, gives us such a window to their ugly subconsciousness.
That is what these people scare the shit out of me.
CMINCA @ 101
Did you read Jesus Land? Total child abuse.
Just when we get rid of one dumbass "Tucker" we end up with another!!!!
~LOL
Fanon @ 97:
Ever watched NASCAR with them?
Alcohol fuels and earplugs help...
Any of you that are considering voting for McSame, in a delusional effort to maintain your sorry status quo, will join him in an empty, pathetic LOSERLAND. And nobody will feel sorry for you. You deserve every bit of your deflated, depressed fate!
xoites defends Constitution @ 95:
Grasp? I saw it coming during Reagan, MTV, and the final straw AOL and the "chat rooms".
People STILL DON'T GET IT.
This is what McCain said.
Now, my question is this: What is the true underlying reason for keeping our troops in other countries? I see no foriegn troops here, do you?
We have no business invading another country and building bases and setting up shop indefinitely. It is called Hegemony.
Charm City @ 107:
With so many rightwing pundits these days, it was the only name left in the hat.
oh really @ 72:
Not THAT Dennis Miller!! I should have made that perfectly clear. Mmy bad. Oh jeez.
Our job is to help them resign themselves to the fact that they're going to lose.
"I know, I know. They really let you down the last eight years and McCain still hasn't figured that out. They're posers - not real conservatives like you. This is a wake up call for them that you won't follow them blindly when they betray you like they have. So Obama will be the next president and I think he'll do a good job but you may not agree. Maybe the next election the GOP will have figured out a few things and will run a candidate who really is a conservative and who really will represent you and your values. But for now they don't deserve your vote. I certainly wouldn't help reelect somebody who is, quote/unquote, 'on my side', but took my vote for granted and didn't represent me the way I wanted and he promised he would. If you really want to vote for McCain then that's your right but just go into it with your eyes open realizing he's Bush all over again and will be representing the rich people who paid for his campaign and not you. It doesn't look like he has a real chance of winning anyway but we'll find out in November."
Or something along those lines. I think I'll give it a go with some of my somewhat dejected Republican friends and see how they respond. I know two already who say they are going to sit this election out. :)
106 Fanon Says: CMINCA @ 101
Did you read Jesus Land? Total child abuse.
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The problem is that I know a lot of these people. They've fallen for the Focus on the Family bullshit and you cannot change their minds. They homeschool, so their textbooks teach creation, their history is revisionist and full of biblical test as well. Its like the Nazi youth camps. Most of these people are serious about voting for McCain because "Sarah is a Christian". That's the only significant requirement they need - one of their own in office.
L.A. Confidential @ 110:
Chat rooms? We are in a chat room (in a way.) Are you oppossed to this too?
Ah, the truth will out when fair Sarah Palin is interviewed by Katie Couric. I expect non-presubmitted, hard hitting questions with numerous followups when answered with spin.
Sorry. Even typing that made me feel a little woozy...
xoites defends Constitution @ 111:
It's called the desperate last gasp of the old schools obscene pursuit of "wealth".
Tucker Bounds looks like a wimpy liar.
L.A. Confidential @ 118:
Yes, as i said, Hegemony.
I've been thinking about earmarks....
What exactly do you call the 10,000,000,000 dollars that we spend in Iraq every month?
It's not an earmark. But it clearly is a case in which lawmakers are steering billions of dollars into contracts and infrastructure.
In three days, the GOP is spending in Iraq, more than Obama has requested for his constituents in Illinois over his entire career.
Every three days, another billion dollars spent in Iraq!
And we are worrying about 5 million dollars for education, a million dollars for a hospital, 10 million dollars to fix broken infrastructure?
I mean, don't people in Illinois have a right to expect that the federal government will use some of their tax dollars to improve their own state?
Do we have to spend ALL the money on Iraq and military aid to allies? Can't we keep some of our money?
111 xoites defends Constitution Says: This is what McCain said.
Now, my question is this: What is the true underlying reason for keeping our troops in other countries? I see no foriegn troops here, do you?
We have no business invading another country and building bases and setting up shop indefinitely. It is called Hegemony.
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No kidding. As if South Korea could not take over the DMZ, for example. Puh-lease. Ask a politican why we are still in these countries and they respond "American Interests."
xoites defends Constitution @ 111:
MCain: "...I hope it will be fine with YOU..."
No, no it won't John.
xoites defends Constitution @ 116:
I'm opposed to the idea chat rooms and the internet are going to solve all our problems because they WON'T.
Only human will, energy, ingenuity, belief, and ACTION will clean up the mess we are facing. Not TALK.
Remember that. Remember I said that.
Got to go.
Captain Bitter Huesein Kangaroo @ 52:
Moonglum @ 92:
Oh my god. I should not have put this guy's name on the post. He is not the fuckhead O'Reilly butt boy Dennis Miller.
No lipstick on this one!
Dems et al MUST keep hammering----not that there is a choice. The economy sells. Just watch the McCainiacs try to change the subject.
Barr to throw sand in McBains vaseline?
http://snipurl.com/3qplb
Moonglum @ 63:
Because of the Big Tent coalition the Republicans have built up.
Neo-Conservatives
Fascist imperialists who appeal to knee-jerk nationalism and fear in order to further their mission of foolhardy world domination.
Religious Right
Theocrats so fundamentally anti-American that they seek the destruction of the Constitution in the name of Jesus, and many of whom literally yearn for the Neo-Conservatives policies to expedite Armageddon.
Old-Fashioned, Genuine Cosnervatives
People seriously struggling with what the Republican Party has become, but who are not yet emotionally ready to pull the lever for any other party.
Greedy People
Rich folks who know full well that Republican policies are not good for the nation as a whole, and who understand that they endanger the country and the world, but who are simply unwilling to pay higher taxes for any reason, and who have escape plans in case America itself fails.
Morons
People who root for America the same way sports fans root for their local team, and who are susceptible to any emotional appeal by fascists and theocrats.
Unfortunately, when you add them all up, they're almost half the country.
Karen @ 128:
Lovely...looks like all the ingredients for a nice civil war.
Moonglum @ 92:
Dennis Miller is a pragmatist. He does not shoot from the hip. Frankly I was not sure if he was a Republican or a Democrat.
He is a Republican of the jerk kind.
Joseph
Let's just hope, pray, and shout it out that McCain and company are lying. FDR is rolling over in his grave to see what Bush and the Repugs have done to this country. I woke up in the middle of the night to see the not ever lovely but always evil Lynn Cheney talking about her new horror children's book about the Constitution. She was on Glenn Beck. (Horror of all horrors). She says that Bush and Cheney have made us safe and did the" right thing" How can such evil exist in these people? Do we feel safer? I am afraid of the people ruining our country.
On GMA this morning in an interview with Robin Roberts, McCain spun his previous and numerous statements that "the fundamentals of this economy are strong" into, (are you ready?):
"Last night I had dinner with [a couple of families]. They're the fundamentals of America. They're still strong."
That's flat out deception. Hey McSchmuck? The only truth in this new version is that some people should be called fundamentals. All the ones who donate to your campaign are definitely funding a mental case.
oh really @ 72:
It's easy to identify Miller as a knee-jerk republican now. That wasn't always the case. Back in the day, I suspect he was more of an angry Libertarian than anything. Go listen to Miller's rant on Republicans from the late 1990s. Everything he says in it could have come straight from any poster here.
BTW, I'm not defending him. He's a jerk and an embarrassment.
BT @ 121:
How about this: Palin has lobbied for and received over $200 for every person in Alaska. She just handed out checks to every person in Alaska for $1200 on top of the already $2000 they get every year. Why are we, the tax payers, giving money to Alaska when they are giving away over $3000 a year to every Alaskan?
They talk about change?
Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 133:
I agree...I actually used to like the guy too...he was..almost funny at times.
CMINCA @ 115:
With all due respect to the GOOD people of Alaska,
Maybe Todd Palin is right about AK becoming its own country. Lots of wide open spaces for
breeding kidsranching,20%3% of the US oil production to keep 'em energy independent.Maybe we could locate all these end-timers up there and just let them "do their own thing". Might make life a hell of a lot easier on the rest of this country...
I agree. Face to face is a far superior method than online. Online takes a long time to build real relationships, and often, differences are screened out or exacerbated by stereotypes people have about ideology.
For instance, I might hold a particular view on abortion, and depending on who I am chatting with, they will fill in all my blanks with the highly polarized assumptions that go along with the particular position. The result is that it reinforces all the cultural baggage that goes with a particular issue. It alienates people from each other.... while forming really tight bonds among "like minded" people. Plus, it empowers gatekeepers... forum moderators, webmasters, radio hosts, producers, etc. to cultivate ideological uniformity.
That's why I have high hopes for Obama's plans to use interpersonal networks to transform the political landscape. It is slow and demanding in many ways, but it is the only way to cut through the easily manipulated mindsets of polarized, partisan politics.
Once you learn about actual "liberals" and "conservatives," through face to face communications, you will see that people, in general, have fairly positive dispositions and progressive ideals. Most people want health care to improve, an end to the Iraq War, better education, rights for workers, etc. But many of them do not want to be associated with "liberal" stereotypes. So you have to skirt the system to get people to actually talk about these ideas.
And, in the end, that is what democracy is about. Encouraging people to articulate their ideas and act upon them in the public sphere.
Gallup has Obama leading McCain by 2. McCain squandered his convention bump by telling stupid lies.
I just had to reprint this:
This lie is so BBBBBIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG!
ABC: McCain lied when he said that he warned econ crisis was coming
John Aravosis (DC) · 9/17/2008 12:51:00 PM ET ·
ABC's Jake Tapper quotes McCain just last December saying that he never knew this was coming at all. Such a freaking liar. Or utterly lost his mind.
[Jake Tapper quoting McCain yesterday]
"Two years ago, I warned that the oversight of Fannie and Freddie was terrible, that we were facing a crisis because of it, or certainly serious problems," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told CBS this morning. "The influence that Fannie and Freddie had in the inside the Beltway, old boy network, which led to this kind of corruption is unacceptable and I warned about it a couple of years ago.”
How does this claim of foresight square with this interview that McCain gave to the Keene (NH) Sentinel, discussing the subprime mortgage crisis, in December 2007?....
“But so, in this whole new derivative stuff, and SIBs and all of this kind of new ways of packaging mortgages together and all that is something that frankly I don’t know a lot about.
"But I do rely on a lot of smart people that I have that are both in my employ and acquaintances of mine. And most of them did not anticipate this. Most of them, I mean I can find some that did. But, a guy that’s on my staff named Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was once the head of the Office of Management and Budget, said that there was nervousness out there. There’s nervousness. There was nervousness that we had such a long period of prosperity without a downturn because of the history of our economy. But I don’t know of hardly anybody, with the exception of a handful, that said ‘wait a minute, this thing is getting completely out of hand and is overheating.'
"So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.”
Yeah, Doug Holtz would be the guy who claimed that McCain miraculously invented the BlackBerry. That's who McCain relies on for economic advice. The tooth fairy's best friend in the land of make-believe.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/abc-mccain-lied-when-he-said-that-he....
L.A. Confidential @ 124:
More bend yet to go 'round?
Karen @ 128:
Too bad you are too busy studying law. You would make a fine writer.
McPale's Navy @ 132:
Probably religious Fundamentalists too. Dinner was roast pterodactyl.
Latest Gallup Poll: Obama 47%, McCain 45% NEW September 17, 2008
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx
Here’s the latest “Big Lie” that McCain and his surrogates are pumping out on TV regarding the current financial meltdown…
McCain:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Statements_on_Wall_Street.ht...
The optimum phrase in McPain’s statement here is:
“The McCain-Palin Administration will replace the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington”
McPain has for years called himself a “deregulator” and so is his chief financial adviser Phill Gramm.
After the Great Depression where one in five banks failed, congress realized that one of the prime reasons for the depression was that banks were assuming too much risk and were in a conflict of interest position with their depositors and were pushing them into buying securities.
Congress decided to put a “firewall” act in place called the Glass Steagall Act of 1933, which said a bank could be a depositor savings bank or and investment bank and issue mortgages and securities… but not both.
Seven decades later, in 1999 Phil Gramm characterized that Act as an “outdated dinosaur” and got the GOP controlled congress to pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley "Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999", which repealed the Glass Steagall Act and opened the door to the financial meltdown you see today.
Not only is Phil Gramm McPain’s economic adviser, he is his first choice pick for Treasury Secretary!
There’s more to the story:
McCain's Financial Guru, Phil Gramm, has been Wrecking the Economy for Years!
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/72168
DC.... McCain is trying to prime the pump for an anti-Obama ad.
This is a big lie. Needs to be slapped down pronto.
128 Karen Says: Moonglum @ 63:
Why the shit is this even a contest? Seriously.
Because of the Big Tent coalition the Republicans have built up.
Neo-Conservatives
Fascist imperialists who appeal to knee-jerk nationalism and fear in order to further their mission of foolhardy world domination.
Religious Right
Theocrats so fundamentally anti-American that they seek the destruction of the Constitution in the name of Jesus, and many of whom literally yearn for the Neo-Conservatives policies to expedite Armageddon.
Old-Fashioned, Genuine Cosnervatives
People seriously struggling with what the Republican Party has become, but who are not yet emotionally ready to pull the lever for any other party.
Greedy People
Rich folks who know full well that Republican policies are not good for the nation as a whole, and who understand that they endanger the country and the world, but who are simply unwilling to pay higher taxes for any reason, and who have escape plans in case America itself fails.
Morons
People who root for America the same way sports fans root for their local team, and who are susceptible to any emotional appeal by fascists and theocrats.
Unfortunately, when you add them all up, they’re almost half the country.
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Karen, very well-articulated. I couldn't agree with you more. You are spot on!
131 cleo Says: Let’s just hope, pray, and shout it out that McCain and company are lying. FDR is rolling over in his grave to see what Bush and the Repugs have done to this country. I woke up in the middle of the night to see the not ever lovely but always evil Lynn Cheney talking about her new horror children’s book about the Constitution. She was on Glenn Beck. (Horror of all horrors). She says that Bush and Cheney have made us safe and did the” right thing” How can such evil exist in these people? Do we feel safer? I am afraid of the people ruining our country.
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Safe? Ironically (and sadly) the US embassy in Yemen was attacked today.
PS. McPain says it was outdated regulations that caused the financial meltdown... the truth is that the Hedgefunds operated by Bear Sterns and the other investment banks operated outside of any regulatory agency... they had no one watching their activities at all!... Nada!... Zip!
So McPain's statements and his surrogates are outright lies!
A reminder from the ACLU that today, believe it or not, is Constitution Day.
http://www.aclu.org/newsroom/index.html
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