Barack Obama: "John McCain can't decide whether he's Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich"
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Sep 17, 2008 5:35pm
Barack Obama hit the stump today in Espanola, NM, and was relentless in his mockery of John McCain.
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"On Monday, he said the economy was fundamentally sound, and he was fundamentally wrong.
On Tuesday, he said the government should stand by and allow one of the nation’s largest insurers to collapse, putting the well-being of millions of Americans at risk. But by Wednesday, he changed his mind.
He said he would take on the ol’ boy network, but he seemed to forget that he took seven of the biggest lobbyists in Washington from that network and put them in charge of your campaign.
John McCain can’t decide whether he’s Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich."
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Well, there's no question that Barack Obama is no Dennis Kucinich. When it comes to foreign policy, we might even call him O'Bushma.
The only reason the GOP even HAS a chance, is because stupid is easy, and smart is hard!
GOBAMA !!!!
I don't get the Dennis Kucinich reference...
Throw Dennis under the bus, just as he delivers 150,000 signatures for impeachment. Nice.
LEAVE DENNIS ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
but really...
mccain is fucking up so bad im almost tempted to vote
Yeah I think he owes Kucinich an apology for that.
It is a good line though.
Both of those names are compliments, considering their source, and their target.
Excellent!
This is what I was talking about the other day. Hit McBush hard and often!!
You do mean compliments to McCain right?
At this point, is this approach really the most productive?
Given that 2/3rds of Americans don't know or care who either Goldwater or Kucinich were/are ...
c'mon!
ITS THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH HERE, SUDDEN DEATH, THE SUPERBOWL,
ITS AMERCAN IDOL TIME FOLKS ... TIME TO STEP UP AND FINISH THIS!
Yes, it's not only Dennis Kucinich who's dwarfing McCain in integrity, it's even Barry Goldwater. I don't think if it's really such a good line..
And what was Biden up to today?
He did it to Wesley Clark because it was expedient at the time as well.
Rain on Your Parade @ 1:
Troll go away .
obama for president!
Pretty funny.
I don't think he is dissing either Dennis or Goldwater, he is just using them as examples of far left and far right. Just illustrating how even McCain doesn't know who McCain is or what he stands for. I still think Kucinich is the best choice for prez. Obama has impressed me though, with his clear leadership around wanting to move this country forward TOGETHER, as one. Gobama, and keep hitting him hard!!
Flash @ 17:
This is probably the correct interpretation but Barry, even though we all want you to win quite badly - don't look like you're mocking Dennis Kucinich. We'll let you off this time but do it again and we WILL have to beat you with big sticks OK?
Flash @ 17:
EXACTLY! When that old geezer flip flops, it's like spending a year in the waffle house.
And I can say old geezer because I am one...
It wasn't in any way meant as a smear on Kucinich. It was describing how wildly flailing McCain's apparent ideology is becoming. He'll say anything at this point. Don't think Dennis needs an apology for being well known as pretty damn left. ( And I dig the guy. )
Good line from Obama too. It's almost like the dems have some spine for once. I hope it stays that way.
Elect Obama.
Things will be rough at first. But he will put the country on the right track.
Bet on this with your retirement plan, not just your vote.
Just a slight correction: the town is spelled Española. Gotta use that tilde ~~~!
It's a 90 percent Hispanic town.
Was hoping O-man would use that to slam McCain for the way he dissed Spain's prime minister. This is a much less effective soundbite.
You cannot get honest talk or real solutions from republicans! They deal in smoke, mirrors, and bullshit.
Its about time Obama made about a 1/2 hour speech to thousands of people. Start off with the economy and weave in how the war is costing so much money every week and move back to the economy and how McInsane has been all over the place in the past two weeks, in the past two months and the past six months. In Florida. Hammer McBush on the social security thing.
Flash @ 17:
Was/Is Goldwater 'Far Right' ? I thought he was more of one of the rational traditional republicans (as opposed to the moronic fascist breed that seems to exist now). He should've stuck with a Bush referrence.
"The fact of the matter is......."
Oh I forgot to mention: to get that ñ, hold down the Alt key while typing the number 164. It's easy and it's fun. Do it and you will be declared an honorary Hispanic :)
Espanola NM doesn't do nuance. You know the difference between a '58 Chevy Imapla convertible and a girl from Espanola High?...hijoleee, essee...Goldwater or Kucinich wasn't a local enough reference...
John McCain can't decide whether he's .....Heather Wilson or Steve Pierce?
hmmm....
George Bush or Phil Gramm?
there's better comparisons, is all...
It wasn't a snipe at Kucinich or Goldwater. He used the two because they are considered to be polar opposites from a political perspective. It points out that John McCain changing is mind on where he stands is not just a gradual shift but drastic shift.
Can you even IMAGINE what the press would do if Obama reversed such a basic stance like that inside of 24 hours? They'd tear him apart.
Republicans have been so damned spoiled by their corporate media that they just don't even think.
Watching Alzheimer's is an ugly thing.
I don't get it at all.
Barry Goldwater was a principled conservative, who represented true conservative principles.
Dennis Kucinich is a true liberal, who stands for justice.
To compare McCain to either, is insane.
He's saying that McCain's political pendulum swings from conservative to liberal in a 24 hr span. He's erratic! Y'know! It comes right back to Obama's latest talking point. How is that difficult? And, how is it a dis on Goldwater of Kucinich? That's what I don't see. Seems like a few Kucinich fans got the feathers ruffled, but why?
Captain Bitter Angry Kangaroo @ 24:
Y'know, the networks might just play along; everybody is losing their shirt in this.
Which, of course, is hypocritical of the networks, but ya gotta get the message out.
that would be a hispañic, nest paw?
Dems vs. Repubs
If you see it this way, good luck.
The better view: Americans vs. Dems and Repubs
Regaring the market situation----
Why didn't the SEC go after all those folks who were "naked short selling" and driving the markets to hell?....
Also who was responsible letting the "Uptick Rule" go by the wayside....
That's just like punching holes in a leaking boat....
80% of Americans didn't get the Kucinich reference.
99% of Americans didn't get the Goldwater reference.
Barry needs to dumb it down more for 'Mericunz.
...is that Santa in the back, on Obama's left? Cool! Santa's likes Obama! Me too.
I think McCain is an Edsel, myself. :D
I'm a big fan of Kucinich - I don't think these comments are insulting to him. The point is just that McCain will say anything that polls well. If I thought he was going to actually vote like Kucinich, I might like him more. Ditto for Obamo, BTW :-)
Is the Coast Clear?--- @ 36:
They did, after the fact. he SEC announced tighter controls on short-selling this morning.
as usual, too fuukin little, too fuukin late by eons...
Gary @ 32:
It probably would have been more accurate to say "John McCane can't decide whether he wants to be Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich.
terry740 @ 15:
Nothing wrong with a little diversity. I'll take a troll over a cheerleader any day. 'Rain' does have a point, by the way, Obama is very middle ground. We need a good jolt of leftist policies, and we need to make sure Obama doesn't forget this when he's in office.
Rain on Your Parade @ 1:
Extremely well said since Kucinich called for the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq AND Afghanistan while the alleged antiwar candidate Obama's pseudo withdrawal plan from Iraq will leave a residual force of close to 100,000 troops in that country PLUS leave the civilian contractors such as Blackwater in Iraq. Not exactly the best way to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. The pseudo antiwar candidate also wishes to ADD more troops into Afghanistan which will undoubtedly contribute more to the slaughter of more innocent Afghans. It should also be remembered that Obama is not hesitant to send American soldiers into Pakistan, a country that has never threatened anyone in these United States.
The people of the Middle East are probably hoping that the United States does not nominate any more peace candidates like Obama as they realize that their countries would soon be overrun by the U.S. military.
He's neither... I don't know who or what John McCain is... I'm not entirely sure he even knows who he is anymore...... But he sure as hell ain't Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich....JD
Rain on Your Parade @ 1:
Yeah, I think that he should just say something simple like: "McCain doesn't know what he believes anymore." But more importantly, he needs to be following up all this talk about Wall St and bail-outs for banks and investment firms with some talk about the $10 billion a month "bail out" of the do-nothing Iraqi government, who's sitting on $79 billion of oil surplus. People need to know that the equivalent of an AIG bail out has happened every eight months in Iraq while Iraqi politicians do nothing and American soldiers die. I'm telling you...hit Americans with Iraq now in terms of MONEY b/c, as we all know, it's the economy stupid.
Attacking McCain is the number one campaign strategy for Obama.
Check this link: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091808/content/01125106.gues...
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091808/content/01125107.gues...
Get educated, folks, before you get drowned by this man.
McSame doesn't know who he is, check with his staff.
EZ @ 48:
Hahahahahahahahahaha! EZ wants us to get our information From Rush! Hahahahahahahaha!
EZ @ 48:
Umm, can you give a link that's a less, whats the word, biased?
emobile @ 22:
Right on. You could say it is a Spanish town since many residents are descendants of the conquistadors.
EZ @ 48:
That's funny. One only has to watch a few McCain commercials, in which McCain never talks about himself, only Obama to realize that you are full of crap.
Get educated, then Rush Limpbaugh. You have to love it. Join Amerika's largest circle jerk with an obese host Monday through Friday.
EZ @ 48:
I clicked the link and it said, "will whore for Oxycontin"
Abraham Jackemoff @ 54:
I got Boss Hog in a bad suit.
EZ @ 48:
And attacking Obama is the number one campaign strategy for McCain.
Of course, you'd rather he didn't attack McCain. You're a McCain supporter and you actually listen to a three-time-divorced, prescription-drug-addicted, hypocritical Republican shill to get your opinions.
Get educated, before you show up pushing other people's viewpoints, so you might be able to one day think for yourself.
STOCKS UP 400+, Hail McCain! I guess all the Obama supports now have to vote for McCain since when it dropped 400 it was all McCain's fault. Or maybe King Obama can continue to call our economy the Great Depression some more and get all you idiots to sell. I'm confused now by his message, so if stocks fall his polls go up, if stocks go up then they must fall? So with a rebound in the market Obama stands no chance? Interesting, no message today on the 400 point rise? No Bush bashing? Wow. Get off the lying Obama Bandwagon will you.
PS, voted for tax increases 94 out of 94 times, way to go Obama! What happened to only $250,000 and above people or "the Rich"? I sure as hell don't want my company to lay people off by erasing their profit margins with tax increases.
Randy @ 57:
Honey, I think it was a little deeper than that. It was the cause of the problems that were of concern. Is Bear Sterns, AIG, Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac back on track? No.
Sorry that the world can't be simpler for you, but you will have to get by.
Randy @ 57:
I hear EZ calling you.
Come on, that was in no way a dig at Kucinich. It was a great line that got at how confused and wildly inconsistent McCain is.
I would like to see a media roundup of the great zingers Obama has been getting in lately.
There's no question that McCain will say anything and everything to anyone in order to get elected. That's why he's all over the map when it comes to his "position". Indeed, he might be a paradigm case of Schroedinger's Cat - if he lost his velocity he'd lose his mass and disappear.
Obama, on the other hand, is positioning himself as the "Sensible Centrist" - i.e., somewhere between Kucinich and Goldwater - and therefore follows in the steps of the Great Triangulator himself. In the process, he'll lose / has lost those of us on the left who opposed the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the Pakistan War, and all the other wars that Obama is presumably willing to wage in the interest of preserving the empire. In some respect, his position on Israel is hardly any different than Palin's, even if he's more erudite in his delivery.
So that's what I mean when I say that Obama is no Kucinich and that his foreign policy is far closer to Bush's than to the distinguished patriot from Ohio.
Pete&Pete @ 51:
Wouldn't ANY source be less biased?
McCain has the only chance at working across party lines to improve our country. Not a racist question so don't take it that way, but if he is half white, why does he call himself black? Why don't he call himself an American? This race is going to turn ugly. Obama is a proven liar, and McCain is changing his ways to become the good President that I think he can become.
Randy @ 63:
Did the trolls for McCain Program come up with new prizes or something?
Randy @ 63:
Pot calling the kettle black. WTF, what's the color of his skin you idiot.
Randy @ 63:
Just as a tip, you can be black and an American. One is a race, the other is a nationality. I won't confuse you and add man and woman to the mix, but hopefully you get my point. Black and American aren't really mutually exclusive.
Randy @ 57:
Anybody who has a retirement account can figure out a one-day 400-point rise is nothing. Let's put this in simple terms, for simple minds:
Dow on the day Clinton took office: 3,241.95
Dow on the day Clinton left office (and Bush took over): 10,578.24
Dow 17 Sept. 2008: 10,609.66
In seven and a half years of Bush, the Dow has gone up 150 points. Add 400 for today and it's still atrocious. You'd have been better off burying your money behind a tree.
Obama should say: "First Senator McCain was for deregulation, which is a central tenet of the Republican Party. But now, when it turns out deregulation is the cause of Wall Street's meltdown, he says, like most Democrats, he's all for regulation. I'm sorry Senator McCain, but it's too late for you to switch parties."
Randy @ 63:
What, so nobody can call themselves white anymore either, there just Americans? Isn't that being PC? I know republicans hate PC, unless there trying to make some weak point like this one.
jones @ 6:
He's not criticizing Kucinich. It's Republicans who would think a comparison to Kucinich is an insult; that's why he said it. "First McCain acts like he's oblivious, then he thinks he's a liberal" (even though Dennis is a Progressive).
The Dennis Kucinich is meant to be one extreme, Barry Goldwater the other.
It's an excellent statement intended to contrast McCain's disagreements with ... himself.
I don't hear that as mocking Kucinich at all. But then, I'm even more of a leftist than Kucinich.
Let's not kid ourselves, Kucinich is not a centrist. And that's why I love him.
ashton @ 55:
There are legitimate reasons why Rush took Oxycontin and it was for his back pain. Some people are so sensitive that they have to kill the pain with meds than others. Just because they are celebrities, you have exposed them. What about millions of people hooked on those pain killers? Never mind, you are just a sheeple that follows the foxey herd.
Randy @ 63:
1) What does being of mixed race have to do with working across party lines?
2) He does call himself an American--although many people try to make it seem necessary that he work harder to prove it. In reality, it's no more important that he prove he's an American than it is that you do so.
3) This race is already ugly.
4) That you think Obama is a liar is your right. However, it doesn't make you correct.
5) That you think McCain "can become" a good president is your right. However, it doesn't make you correct.
EZ @ 72:
Those millions of people didn't take it upon themselves like that fat and pompous ass to rail against others who were addicted to drugs. Yes, we are sheeple, not a open minded person like you, while pushing Limbaugh.
Get a life.
Ron @ 59:
I bet I am. Thanks for bringing this up. Obama to be the likely president of America? This is laughable. The man only attacks, but no substance. The dems love to hear the cheap shots; it is kind of entertaining. Go for it, folks. Have fun!
bamboozled @ 67:
Anybody who has a retirement account can figure out a one-day 400-point rise is nothing. Let's put this in simple terms, for simple minds:
Dow on the day Clinton took office: 3,241.95
Dow on the day Clinton left office (and Bush took over): 10,578.24
Dow 17 Sept. 2008: 10,609.66
In seven and a half years of Bush, the Dow has gone up 150 points. Add 400 for today and it's still atrocious. You'd have been better off burying your money behind a tree.
The key variable in all this is the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, which have sucked billions of dollars out of the economy that might otherwise have been spent on useful things like infrastructure, new energy technologies, education, health care reform, etc.
At the same time, we would be remiss if we did not point out that both Clinton and Bush have had bubble economies - dot.com and real estate. Both those bubbles were created under Clinton (courtesy of the Republican majority in Congress and Alan Greenspan, but without much complaining from Democrats), while both of them burst during the Bush regime.
If Obama does not get the U.S. out of the empire business there is nothing that he or the Democratic Congress can do to restore the U.S. to fiscal health. At some point, foreign investors will cut off the flow of dollars and the war machine will either grind to a halt or consume what's left of the Treasury until we are utterly ruined. So far, I have seen no indication that Obama or the Democratic Party leadership has a clue.
And before you flame, the Republicans have less than a clue and ought to be on trial in the Hague.
EZ @ 72:
You're calling people here sheeple when your one of the dittoheads that gets your information from Rush? WTF? You idiots never fail to amaze me.
There is more than a kernel of truth in what Mr. Obama said: John McCain has been running a schizophrenic campaign. As a result of his lies going all across the board, he doesn't know who the hell he is. It's getting him nowhere because his lying and pandering seems contrived, bigoted and out of touch.
Therefore, Mr. Obama is right to call McCain on his wavering platform. It shows lack of judgement and a feeble mind.
EZ @ 75:
LOL...what a total nut.
I am not sure if you have met folks that have partly a phantom face and the other part looks normal. Rush Limbaugh saw the phantom face of Obama.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
EZ @ 80:
In a drug induced haze, I am sure he saw many things. Sadly, Jenny Craig was not one of them.
Randy @ 63:
Apparently, the race has already turned very ugly, from the looks of your post.
To answer your racist question, Obama is African-American. Why does he call himself that? Because he is. Why does Sarah Palin call herself a woman? Because she is.
And why "don't" he call himself an American? I believe he does call himself an American.
Let me ask a question, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but how does a retard like you afford to buy a computer?
Randy @ 63:
Congratulations, Randy. You have just constructed almost the exact model of the classical "double-consciousness" bind illuminated more than 100 years ago by the famed writer/scholar WEB DuBois. Here's the dilemma you pose: Obama's half white, half black. Why does he call himself "black?" And the reason is that, if he didn't acknowledge his 'color,' you and all your cracker friends would hasten to remind him of it, at every opportunity. In fact, he's truly, always, already, an "American." Your intention, in the phenomenological sense, requires him to BE black. You could never tolerate him regarding himself in public as "white." So the choice doesn't exist.
Asshole...
EZ @ 80:
Why don't you just say you're racist.
Eric Hussein in Ottawa @ 71:
... which, sadly, goes over the heads of many people.
Good statement for its meaning. Bad statement for its effectiveness.
EZ @ 75:
Yes, yes; and we all know that the most important thing on earth is LOW TAXES!!! Yeah; the bridge collapsed and they had to lay off half of the ambulance crews, and there was no money for IV solution - but when my kid was killed after being hit by that car - he died with low taxes!!!!
There is a word for people who espouse Rush Limbaugh's "philosophy."
Deadbeat.
"Come on ol' boy. You can make it"
http://tinyurl.com/3svlo6
Mick Piobr @ 86:
You're being too kind.
“John McCain can’t decide whether he’s Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich”
He seems to contain the worst traits of both.
Ron @ 50:
Get "educated" by a hillbilly heroin taking, viagra swilling pumpkin head?
Thanks, but no thanks.
bamboozled @ 82:
Dude, don't feed the trolls. It wastes your time and ours.
Also, would everyone who uses the term "retard" please stop using it? You might as well refer to everyone you think is lazy as a "n****r," since racists used that derisive term to describe people not too long ago.
Or do you actually think this way? Do you refer to all who have drinking problems as "Irish?" Do you refer to people you consider stupid as "Polish?" These are all stereotypes and are offensive.
My point is that in using the term "retard" you show your bias and ignorance, which makes any valid arguments of yours moot.
The Cheney-Palins clam up http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate
EZ @ 80:
That's why Rush is a good American. He just brings out the finest qualities in ALL Americans.
If ever you start feeling like we're all in this together and it doesn't matter who you are, or what color or race or humble beginnings you've come from, that anyone can make it in America and live the American dream, Rush can bring his thoughtful and wise point of view to literally tens of millions of Americans and make them realize how primitive and racist and petty we all really are.
Thanks, Rush. All America thanks you. No, all the world thanks you. You're an important man and you've used your power wisely. Surely, you'll be remembered with Gandhi, Jesus and Aristotle as one of the great revolutionaries in world thought.
Site monitor: why is my comment awaiting moderation? I was simply pointing out that the term "retard" is as offensive as other epithets. To say one is retarded may be true, but to question one's intelligence by asking if they "..are a retard" is offensive to the people who have retarded individuals in their families.
.......crickets......
"“John McCain can’t decide whether he’s Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich”
McCain's neither, he's Herbert Hoover.
...and do you "moderate" all comments in which someone uses "retard" as a derisive term? If not, aren't you quite the hypocrite?
Further, considering my "moderated" comment occurred at 5:30 PST, why does it take so long to figure out whether it's offensive?
Apparently, this will take a while. For all who are curious, I was merely equating the term "retard," as it is used by some on this site, with offensive terms such as "n***r." Perhaps I should have used "mick" in place of "Irish" and "Polack" in place of "Polish" when seeking similarly offensive terms, but forgive me for my inability to come up with offensive terms quickly. The fact that one can quickly come up with the N word as offensive points out the racism still prevalent in our society. (When was the last time you heard someone called a "mick?" Here in SE TX, the N word can still be heard - unfortunately.)
Having said all that, by the time I post this the "moderation" situation may have resolved itself.
Answer: yes.
After 8 years destroying this nation infrastructure. After all the deregulating of our financial institutions and raping the economy. Once again sticking it to the average american to bail out the greedy pigs with our tax dollars so the greedy CEO"s can keep multi-multi-million dollar parchutes while squandering, excuse me STEALING millions of americans retirment accounts. Is anyone accountable? No! These same greedy GOP thieves still want to give the only thing we have left Scocial Security to the greedy wall street theives. W-T-F
You vote GOP you're either a F#$ktard unpatriotc jackass, an old stammerin confused maverick jackass, or a sarcastic unqualified highschool lipstick pittbull jackass Gov. from AK.
AND with obama he can't decide whether to submit a legal birth certificate from the US because sources are about to prove he was born outside this country. WATCH THE FIREWORKS ON SEPTEMBER 24TH. He won't get any repreive he has to submit a legal document with a seal on or before that date in Philadelphia. Not the forged one you saw on Kos. Anybody believieing that one is stupid to think laser printers (as printed on the certificate) were around, much less being used in 1961.
Marge @ 101:
Wacko squad, clean-up on Aisle 104.
Marge @ 101:
link, please?
and you know mccain was born in panama, yes?
jones @ 6:
obamas a nonothing bitch! not even up to kucinichs balls, how gd stupid of obama to even mention kucinich alongside mccain!
CatAtomic @ 30:
No doubt about it.
Marge @ 101:
I don't think you want to bring the meme of "foreign soil born" since your boy McCain was born in Panama, you fucking dolt.
Matt in Texas @ 102:
Must have gotten ahold of the wrong kind of mushrooms again
odanny @ 107:
maby its time to get your goat away from the waco weed!
tyree @ 104:
Hey Tyree! How's it going?
I don't think he meant that as a slam on Kucinich. BTW, Kucinich was my first choice. Can you imagine how much better we'd be if he was Prez?
tyree @ 108:
That damn goat's eatin' all of my waco weed! Gotta get rid of him. Reminds me of the song "Wildwood flowers" by .......hell, who was it?? Anybody remember? (What hill, where? I don't remember going over any hill.......")
Matt in Texas @ 109:
yes i can! i think it was supposed to be a slur against kucinich at any event he had no buisness useing him alongside of any repig, for any reason!
i honestly heard a local wingnut say today that mccain had outmaneuvered obama by attacking bush, the republican congress and wall street
these people have no shame
and again, mccain was blaming obama for not attending his staged town halls for the tenor of the campaign
is it november yet?
oh and hi matt,
EZ @ 48:
Ok, I'll play along. If someone is going to attack someone else's credentials, I often wonder why a source like Rush Limbaigh would be sourced. He's a propagandist and I realize he preaches to the choir, but no one, and I do mean NO ONE should EVER post nothing more than a link to this man without specifically clarifying what your position is, and how it pertains to what Limbaugh is saying.
Soi, just for grins, I started reading what Rush had to say, and, predictably, it went off the rails in only a few short paragraphs. Listen to this, for example:
We have the most corrupt government, not only in actions but in profiting from blatant war profteering and literally pushing this country to the brink of bankruptcy and Rush jumps in to dflect blame at the Democrats? You have to be either smoking crack or really stupid to consider this persons explanation as being anything other than the most spiteful and partisan sniping imaginable.
You're gonna have to do better than posting a link and running away
Do not disrespect Dennis. That is a no-no.
earl @ 11:
That's the problem with this election...idiots who think it's American Idol.
It actually says a lot that Obama disparages two guys with very principled stands, while he will bend to any whim. Obama/McCain - Two different flavors of placebo
Mick Piobr @ 86:
Low taxes = failing/crumbling infrastructure is a dumb argument. If we didn't spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the military and foreign wars we'd have lower taxes. If we didn't give subsidies to large corporations we'd have lower taxes. If we didn't constantly run deficits we wouldn't have to pay so much debt interest and we'd have lower taxes. If we didn't do any of those things we'd have low taxes and we could still pay for highways, public schools, police/fire depts, etc. Most of these things could be paid for with local tax dollars anyway.
Seriously, do you not have a problem with how the idiots in washington spend your money? They aren't even content with mismanaging the money you do send, they borrow additional sums of money on your behalf and mismanage that too.
Marge @ 101:
omg you can't be serious....
you do realize that those birth certicates are printed out now -- do u think there are endless stacks of each person's birth certificate on paper?
if you request a certificate now, you get one printed out on today's paper and on today's computers....
also, genius.... it doesn't matter WHERE barack obama was born, because his MOTHER was AMERICAN...thusly, BARACK would automatically be an AMERICAN even if he was born in china.... or let's say, in PANAMA...like JOHN MCCAIN.
so get it now?
Matt in Texas @ 94:
I asked the same thing once. Don't worry. I think YOUR comment has been lumped in with the actual offending comment while that one is, you know, under moderation, probably because you quoted it when responding. It's not likely about anything you said.
I heard this remark not just as a swipe against McCain, but also as an attempt at triangulation akin to Bill Clinton's Sistah Souljah remarks years ago. I think that's good politics, especially since Obama really is running a moderate rather than a liberal campaign, with middle class tax cuts and a foreign policy that is sometimes to the RIGHT of McCain (e.g., advocating attacks inside Pakistan to get Al Qaeda).
Matt in Texas @ 93:
I was kind of making a point about Randy @ 63's "not being racist" comment, that actually was racist, by being offensive. It was meant as a bit of sarcasm. I apologize if I offended anyone. You're right.
Ron @ 84:
I am not a racist. Did you watch the movie called "Devil's Advocate?" The young woman who was a christian could see the phantom on those pretty faces. Sometimes, the phantom face hides beneath the perfect mask and only the wise sages can see them.
I am sure Rush Limbaugh was kidding.
Obama wasn't insulting either Goldwater or Kucinich.
Kucinich is very pro-regulation.
Goldwater was very anti-regulation.
McCain called himself a "Goldwater Republican" for years and years. As a result, the stock market crashed (Black Monday) and banks collapsed, something Kucinich and Obama predicted would happen. Now, McCain wants to be a "Kucinich Democrat" and stop corporate greed.
Someone should tell McCain that you can't switch teams in the middle of the game. They don't even do that in baseball.
I wonder if the 83 to 136 lobbyists running his campaign are gonna let McCain get away with those remarks.
[deleted--certain words will never go through our filters. And forgive us for not having people moderating 24/7. Some of us try to have lives.]
I view this as a dis on Kucinich and that irritates me - ONCE AGAIN! Obama's FISA capitulation and the run to the right really irritate me that there is no where else to cast a meaningful vote.
Feet to the fire after you're elected Mr. O.
Regarding taxes:
The esteemed Oliver Wendell Holmes said they're the price we pay to live in a civilized society.
The crime is that the very rich don't pay their fair share to live in that society. They just hoard everything and wall themselves off from the "lower" classes. The burden falls upon those who have the least to pay.
Even rich guy McGramps draws a Social Security check, the goddamn hypocrite.
What say, reich-wingers?
Obama, you da man! Pin down McOldFart on this level, and you got the keys to 1600 Penn. Countin' on ya, man! Peace out!
Both Kucinich and Goldwater had / have integrity and intellectual standing. McCain has neither. The better comparrison might have been between Hoover and Nixon.
"terry740" says to "Rain on Your Parade" that he is a troll that should go away. That is wrong. "Rain on Your Parade"'s statement was good. This is what he wrote, "Well, there’s no question that Barack Obama is no Dennis Kucinich. When it comes to foreign policy, we might even call him O’Bushma." And he is right, Obama is a horrible choice and the Kucinich jab is just the latest example. And look a the dirty games played to keep people out of the race see video at link
mojogoober @ 118:
Yes that is the problem ... and the reasoned high road approach (while admirable) may not be enough.
cf: Bu$h 2000
Bu$h 2004.
I believe , Obama, just punked Dennis Kucinich. The centrist of the party, Kucinich.
In case any of you are wondering what Dennis Kucinich's response was to Obama's remark, I found this at politico.com
(http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Kucinich_Keeping_hope_...):
Kucinich: Keeping hope alive
From my colleague Dan Reilly, here’s Rep. Dennis Kucinich on Obama’s claim that McCain “can’t decide if he’s Barry Goldwater or Dennis Kucinich”:
“If McCain was me in this climate…he would win the election. With Wall Street essentially socializing all the risks and privatizing all the profit, this is the environment that I was made for.”
"Wall Street (is) essentially socializing all the risks and privatizing all the profit." THAT'S how you stay on message and exploit the goddammned corporate fascists! You don't do it by making a backhanded remark about someone who is (although, probably reluctantly) supporting you.
And to think I was actually considering voting for Obama just to keep McCain and Palin the fuck away from the White House. And then he goes and disses Dennis Kucinich?! Are you fucking kidding me?! This is an insult to Kucinich, as if saying "he and his positions are so extreme he's like a Socialist, or worse, a Communist!" Goldwater = FREE trade; Kucinich = FAIR trade. And, so essentially both are bad, because they're extreme?! Huh?!
Hey Barack: Get you head out of your ass, stop listening to your advisors and they're cute scripts, and be careful what you say. There are millions of Dennis Kucinich supporters, like myself, who are still on the fence whether to vote for you or write in Kucinich on the ballot. We demand an apology!
EZ @ 125:
Using the same 'logic' as that was used in a REALLY BAD horror movie (or should I say Horrible Movie) tells us a lot about how you think.... or don't.
Really, you need to stop living in bad fiction and look at the world around you.
EZ @ 125:
Yeah...and monkeys just flew outta my butt.
Rush is a racist.
Anyone who listens to him and agrees with him is a racist.
Therefore, you are a racist.
bamboozled @ 124:
Use the word "fucktard" when referring to trolls next time.
odanny @ 109:
As old black people say (my grandmother included), she must be on that stuff.
How sad.
Barack Obama isn't qualified to tie Dennis Kucinich's shoes, yet he isn't afraid to throw out his name, even thought he would dare not allow him in the debates. What a sickening hypocrite.
And the idiot Democrats just suck this bullshit up as bad as the koolaid heads on the right suck up the idiot McCain.
America is screwed and C&L is leading the way.
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