Cavuto says McCain-Palin sound just like Obama-Biden
I was watching the FOX News Business network Friday night -- so you don't have to -- and Cavuto was in full on depression mode. McCain is into populism now, 'he sounds like Obama,' said Cavuto. That's what's happened to conservatism. McCain has to run not as a conservative, but as Obama and it's freaking out guys like Cavuto. Cavuto should jut back the original, not the imitation.
Of course, McCain has flip-flopped the last week to try and appear to be a populist after saying the fundamentals are just grand in America.. Neil then brought out his boss Rupert for a segment to try and ease his pain, but he just lamented the government take over of the free market. Murdoch thought the take over was a good thing. Neil started pouting....
He's wondering what has scared all these Republicans into signing up for the government bail out. I'm not an economist so I'm reading as much as I can on it and have been for a while now, but poor Neil--- wake up to the fact that your system just doesn't work...
These people are either liars or they just don't know what they are talking about or maybe both.
How does he define conservatism? Webster's defines it as "The disposition and tendency to preserve what is established; opposition to change; the habit of mind; or conduct, of a conservative."
Does anyone wonder what they aren't telling us yet?
I'm just moved to tears at the generosity of the Republicans. I knew they were loathe to spend the pennies per capita required to boost scientific research, education, and infrastructure. It's all paid off since now their fiscal responsibility has given them a spare trillion dollars to bail out the poor Wall Street firms who were victimized by this crisis through no fault of their own.
God bless the fiscally responsible but compassionately populist GOP.
You wish Cavuto! Palin sounds like a hen screeching. Listening to her is like fingernails scraping across a blackboard!
Ironic, isn't it? Conservatives whined and griped about "welfare queens" and thought it was terrible to bail out individual poor people who could really use a break, and touted CEOs who were so smart, they were able to make millions. Now here we are, the American public, bailing out these poor CEOs who were stupid enough to give loans to people who did not qualify and make a whole bunch of other stupid decisions I would need a degree in economics to understand.
Unbridled capitalism does not work because it is based on greed. It does not protect the vulnerable, the disabled, the downtrodden. It does not respect the rule of law unless regulations are strict and there are penalties for not adhering to them. I can see bailing out these institutions at this time so our whole economy does not collapse, but we need long-term solutions and only Obama is willing and able to see that we do. I am glad Neil Cavuto is freaked out because of his contributions to this culture of runaway greed.
Thanks for taking that bullet for me. Domo arrigato Mr. Amato. Is there a Congressional Medal of Blogging? The real test , in truth, is watching O'reilly and if I'm not mistaken you and the gang have thrown yourself on that grenade many times.
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mccain is a NEOCON wannabe. he changed more so
after the iraq war/occupation. before the iraqi conflict started he was against the BUSH tax cuts....it's very
clear in his senate transcript. i believe since the war
hey have been prepping him for the presidency so NOT
to lose power following the BUSH presidency.
the mcSurge is NEOCON/republican politicization and
marketing of the mccain maverick brand.
Cavuto? Common Sense?
Doesn't he prove Voltaire's axiom: Common sense is not so common?
You can't run a 21st Century state on the model the Conservatives want. Too much change has happened to make that so.
And they seriously wonder why McCain's bailed on conservatism...
Common Sense???
Common sense tells you it looks like a mob operation! http://www.nowpublic.com/world/financial-meltdown-explained-9
They're getting good at this. Follow along. See if you can guess what happens next!
According to the always reliable Glenn Greenwald, this bailout has provisions that state that the actions of the Fed would be unreviewable by any agency, body or court. Ever.
No crisis we face is greater or more potentially devastating as any man with unreviewable powers.
All he is doing is trying to make McCain equal to Obama in the eyes of his listeners. Even if the frame is a negative one, making them equals is to their advantage.
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Small Government? check.
Fiscal Responsibility? check.
Keeping the market free of governmental influence? check.
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this is more of the ongoing lingusitic framing to distance
mccain/palin from BUSH. the congress tried to get BUSH
and company more involved in this credit/foreclosure
crisis/scheme in 2005. the (R) ignored it.
Cavuto used to pose as normal on business TV shows year ago...
then he came out of his Republican closet to earn a buck.
Cavuto is a tool.
here's chris dodd on short video interview. mccain has
'selective memory'. mccain has been in the senate 22 yrs.
mccain has lobbyists on staffed that worked fannie/freddie who both borrowed too much cheap money
to take more risk.
40 sec. video
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/19/chris-dodd-on-financial-c_n_127...
The Republicans have suddenly become socialists, out of necessity, proving their system DOES NOT WORK. We should keep hammering at them for their socialism, which they seem to hate (in libruls).
Yeah, both are running as populists and change.
But one was a leader in deregulation that caused socialism.
Is it the China model of socialism?
Still trying to figure it out because I know they will lie about it.
The Bushes and bin Ladens of the world will do just fine. 3 Trillion on war, another 1+ trillion just disappeared from the Pentagon, 1.5 trillion for these bailouts (so far). Bush just handed over the entire GDP to his cronies.
The stated goal of Al Qaeda is to defeat the USA economically, not militarily. Mission Accomplished.
The USA taxpayers should file a class action lawsuit for $13,000,000,000,000 against the Harvard Business school for granting George Bush an MBA.
A Moose in every pot.
let's call up grover turdquest, maybe he can help us make the economy all sparkly and pretty like a unicorn again.
so, maybe it's time for a learned scholar to finally write a treatise: "What Conservatism Hath Wrought." It's about time the truth be told: conservatism is a lie, a refuge of scoundrels, and a hindrance to the progression of world harmony and order. Take any field of interest: domestic labor policy, economics, military effectiveness, health and welfare, fairness and social order, education. Name one area where "conservatism" has produced long-standing benefits for the nation as a whole. This latest wall street mess is the last straw. Where is the left's "Wm F. Buckely" who can hold the mantle and get the message across?
George 'Wanker' Bush MBA
Monkey Brained Arsehole
Edwin Hussein @ 21:
soon we will be too poor to own a pot to pee in.
Acting Patriotic @ 11:
Look, all of these people are CROOKS and LIARS - hence the name of this site. It is a mob operation and has been for years - the Bush Crime Family along with assorted "Others" who've aided an abetted them. Nothing that's happened in out world over thepast 60 years happened "by accident" or by "divine providence." All of this crap, from rigged elections, to trumped up wars, to faked terror attacks, to anything-you-can-name has been engineered.
See, I'm old. I do have common sense. While I'll be voting for Obama, I don't seriously think he can do anythong to change the course we're on: to being robbed blind and thrown back into the third world.
Some days, I hope there is a god - one who will gather up all of the Bush-Reagan- Fox-Rockefeller-Federal Reserve-CFR-Trilateral- stinking SOBs who've destroyed what was humanity's last best hope - Our Constitution.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 14:
stop it, you're making me giggle ;)
By Chalmers Johnson:
There are three broad aspects to our debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on “defense” projects that bear no relationship to the national security of the United States. Simultaneously, we are keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segments of the American population at strikingly low levels.
Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our manufacturing base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures - so-called “military Keynesianism”, which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. By military Keynesianism, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.
Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of our country. These are what economists call “opportunity costs”, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world’s number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs - an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.
I am sorry to disagree here:
It is working beyond their wildest dreams.
The best way to rob a bank is to own a bank. These crooks have been running wild for years making all sorts of risky investments that have made them a lot of money. But their time is running out to keep the flim flam going.
SO, now our beneficent Federal Government (that's us) is going to bail them out and take all that nasty flim flam off their hands.
Without public debate. The alarm bells should be ringing from one end of the republic to the other.
They are NOT.
BINGO!!!!!!!!
The Fat Cats are back in business.
Riding high in the saddle again.
This bill Bush the Swindler in Chief is proposing, will allow the 'transfer' of up to $700 billion to private industry with no oversight. No review or challenge possible.
That on top the $800 billion they have already swindled.
THIS IS THE GREATEST PHUCKING SWINDLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
So I would say their system is working PRETTY DAMN WELL.
From the standpoint of the Fat Cats that is. Not from standpoint of the vast majority of the population.
We are being fleeced but good.
Here from Glenn Greenwald
This from the update:
I have seen many political campaigns in my time, but I swear I have never seen one so schizophrenic as the McCain campaign seems to be at this moment. From the cynical Palin-pick to actually stealing the main theme of the opposition party "Change", McCain has proven himself to me a man without morals, without principles, without any guiding compass whatsoever other than to get elected. I haver never seen anything like it. It's truly frightening that for whatever reason, he might actually some day be POTUS.
Last night on PBS News Hour, I see that McCain has yet to endorse the federal bailout. Now Cramer, on NBC was proclaiming that the bailout was needed, that doing nothing was the approach that Hoover took, and it resulted in massive bank failures and the great depression.
Hoover before the stock market crash:
"the fundamental business of the country - that is, the production and distribution of goods and services - is on a sound and prosperous basis. "
McCain:
"The fundamentals of this economy are strong "
Both men believe in letting the marketplace sort out the economic problems. I think that McCain has specifically opposed the takeover of AIG (the tip of the iceberg for the derivatives unwind).
There is a lot of comparisons between McCain and Bush, but I think the time is prime for comparisons between McCain and Hoover. It's so sad, I had to laugh, the idea of Americans electing Hoover to sort out our (what Greespan called) once in a 100 year event.
What exactlyis the difference between Obama-Biden and Bush-Palin?
- Both tickets support bailing out Wall Street rather than helping consumers
- Both are opposed to any form of single payer healthcare
- Both support offshore drilling
- Both support increases in defense spending
- Both want to send $30 billion to Israel during a time of financial crisis in the U.S.
- Both support tax cuts despite major deficits
- Both support the free trade agenda
- Both support amnesty for illegals and increased immigration
- Both support FISA
The only differences I see are on abortion and taxes on the rich, and sorry, but that's just not enough for Obama-Biden to claim they're the *Change We Need.*
It opens up a big can of crap John.
There was no oversight due to lobbyist influence on both sides.
Is it finally time to address this corruption?
Can AIG be used for socialized health care insurance?
Should we socialize something for the people like health care instead of corporations?
Are we socializing the car and airline industry just like China?
Who is buying the Treasury debt now that Japan and China said no more?
They are trying to rush it through without debate but they should debate this for more than a week.
This can of crap stinks to high heaven.
Thanks,John,for watching FAUX for me.I actually got rid of cable before they existed;and they`re one of the main reasons,along with CNN, why I don`t plan to get it anytime soon.
modified, and apologies to Jesse Frankovich
Edwin Hussein @ 18:
Especially in light of the Krugman article cited on the earlier C&L thread today that McCain wants to deregulate the health care industry so it performs like the financial sector.
That needs to be repeated every day from now until the election.
At least that is what they tell us, but I truly do not believe anything these people say.
Unless it is self incriminating and therefore accidental.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 28:
He's an annoying whiny bitch on the best of days.
Whowhudhathoughit, little drunken Shrub, breaking Raygun's heart with all this corporate socialism.
They always say its the third idiot generation that destroys the family empire.
This isn't even close to the end. Credit card debt is also skyrocketing because traditional credit lines are frozen. Who pays for that? Don't think the Bush family is finished. They have another 4 months to rig something even more audacious than this rip off. Then there is the prospect that economic crisis will lead to imposition of martial law.
NoBuddy @ 30:
You're right that McCain hasn't endorsed it yet. He's trying to distance himself from Bush. And you're also right that he opposed the AIG bailout--until it was inevitable and clearly appeared that AIG's failure would have far worse consequences than the bailout itself. That was the point at which he called for more regulation--earlier in the day, I believe, he was on NBC's morning show with that turkey Place-Matt Lauer saying he was and has always been against regulation.
Mike mentioned that Obama (and McCain) were identical in part because they both want to bail out Wall Street. I don't agree. Yes, Obama has endorsed this bailout, but it's for the reason you indicated here. I'm no devotee of Jim Cramer, but from the reading I've been doing (not being an economist, either), just about everybody with any economic credentials has argued that not pursuing a drastic bailout of some kind will lead to a complete financial collapse. In short, doing something will have long-term consequences in terms of U.S. debt, will send a morally ambiguous symbol to those who helped create this problem, and may still do no good. Not doing anything will lead to something worse--likely breadlines, or at least massive system failure and unemployment.
Obama is siding, unambiguously, with the "do something" crowd. He's actually going further, saying that even more money should be pumped into a second stimulus check (or something like it) so that individual tax payers/home owners receive some help. I don't know if I agree with that yet. But here's the deal: he's trying to do something. I won't ever agree with everything he does, but he at least is sticking to his plan--do something, and try to help individuals if possible.
McCain, on the other hand, has switched positions twice and is grumping that people who are guilty should go to jail (if I've read his lack of a position correctly). He hasn't proposed a damned thing.
Once again, I'll take Obama. At least he can think.
Stop The Bailouts!
Please sign it. Not much else matters at this point.
http://financialpetition.org/petition-nobail.shtml
"McCain, on the other hand, has switched positions twice and is grumping that people who are guilty should go to jail (if I’ve read his lack of a position correctly). He hasn’t proposed a damned thing."
He has proposed that he himself should be jailed, along with Phil Gramm. Sounds like a good place to start.
If you think the fundamentals AREN'T strong, then please tell us what exactly those fundamentals are that you think are "unsound".
Because the way I see it, the "fundamentals" of our economy is that it's based entirely on DEBT. It's PAPER MONEY, that varies in value seemingly at the whim of the Federal Reserve, who, although they were chartered almost a HUNDRED YEARS AGO, ostensibly to hold the dollar steady, have failed at that mission CONTINUOUSLY since it's inception.
We have a fractional reserve banking system, that forces the government to come up with "safety nets" like FDIC, that INSULATE banks from bank runs, which are peculiar ONLY to a fractional reserve system, and would be UNNECESSARY in a one hundred percent reserve system.
And the fractional reserve system is also responsible for the massive inflation of money, due to the 9-to-1 loan-to-reserve ratio. When the loans are paid off slowly, according to the payment schedule, then the money SLOWLY contracts from the economy, and the pyramid of debt slowly dismantles. But when the loans DEFAULT, the money contracts rapidly, and the pyramid of debt CRASHES. This SHOULD cause prices to drop, but the people writing paychecks and setting the prices of the goods are always slow to realize this, and they end up laying off workers, instead of lowering prices and dropping wages.
And I'm getting tired of people talking about "deregulation" CAUSING our problems, when the largest entity in our economy, the FEDERAL RESERVE, is largely a REGULATORY BODY!
WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS BEFORE THE FEDERAL RESERVE!
And two of the major failures in the past two weeks have been Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae, institutions that were CREATED BY THE GOVERNMENT!
Before the advent of the Fed, at most, some wealthy elite would try to hoard gold and affect the markets. But because silver is about 15 times more plentiful than gold, it's harder to hoard. When the US has used a system of BOTH gold and silver, the economy has enjoyed prosperity, with less corruption. When it has devalued it's money, it has experienced depressions.
Look, if people ABSOLUTELY have to have some regulations concerning our banks, why can't we just go back to the honest system of having to have matching METAL sitting in a reserve to back up paper currency? This has the consequences of holding the money supply steady, and imposing a PHYSICAL limitation on the banker.
If you need to "regulate" something, how about we throw people in jail when they try to corner the market on gold or silver?
Seems to me that it would be far easier than the Fed selling our country away, and spending a hundred years figuring out that they're never going to be able to control of the interest rate.
Abraham Jackemoff @ 42:
And his little dog, Toto. ; )
America is getting screwed over and over while the majority just say "Thank you may I have another".
It's amazing how easily so few are able to decide they are going to "bailout" whoever they so chose. They instill fear into the public and say we have to throw billions, ultimately trillions, otherwise it's going to get worse.
I actually agree with Cavuto that McCain and Obama are alike in a lot of ways. Both of their plans are going to screw America even more, except McCain's will be worse.
Financially speaking...
Obama's plan will add $350 Billion to the debt.
McCain's plan will add $500 Billion to the debt.
Those are probably conservative estimates and it could very well get worse depending on when and how badly they want to bomb Iran.
John, what are you reading?
Is that picture of Cavuto photoshopped? It must be; his head doesn't appear anywhere near big enough.
Fox Business Network is still on the air?! I thought they only had an audience of 1,600 during regular market hours, compared to the hundreds of thousands that CNBC and Bloomberg draw in.
Anyone else see Cavuto and just want to give him a wedgie...up over his head and mouth?
Mike @ 31:
*sarcasm on*.......oh come on Mike!! The lesser of two evils....the change from the Rethuglicans....anybody but the current Prez.....*sarcasm off*
Those who are not die hard members of the Democratic Party but are buying all this "change" BS, are not only going to be sadly disappointed, but right p*@sed off when they actually see what they are going to get. Better than Bush/McCain? A half witted monkey that throws feces at his relatives is better than that. Would people vote for it? Ya, they would.
What a cluster f*ck. If McCain win's, this country is an absolute joke lol, and I'm leaving it. I just don't care about people who only care about themselves.
Why do all these Rethugs on TV have the same saccharine smile of a used car salesman?
Can we just find the secret location of the nest, pour in a couple of tankers of gas, light it, and walk away? It works for fire ants.
I am glad you watch faux news for me. I do not even have it in my Favorites.
This morning I saw Ric Edelman on C-span at 10 AM. It was a radio show and he made a lot of sense.
Here it is
http://ricedelman.com/cs/education/article?articleId=762&titleParam=Upda...
They sound the same because they are the same.
If only Americans had a plurality of political opinion to vote for, they would be better off.
McBama/Ocain or whatever. Its the two-party duopoly that doesn't stray too far from the status quo. I feel that voting should be illegal and therefore eliminate the four year catharsis and force people to get involved in their government in meaningful ways.
Voting for president every four years is meaningless and is closer to political theater than it is to participation in the political process.
Mike @ 32:
If you think Obama and McCain are the same....Look more closely..
This is the same old crap. Just like Bush and Gore were the same too...
So, who are you going to vote for? Nader? You might as well roll your ballot and smoke it...
obama thee ORIGINATOR
mccain da DUPLICATOR
Their is no where on the planet that has a Democracy and the ceoconservative ideology that has ever worked.
Cavuto should sign up for " Kool aid Anonymous ". Get to those meeting and keep coming back.
Neil, Rupert and the rest of the conservative yahoos should understand that gated communities are not rabble proof. Do you think Americans will be led by masters?
Face the facts, conservative can sound good in the minority of congress hawking over abuse expenditures and blame it on other. They have been very good in a very horrible way in running for elections. Yet when it comes to governing the nation. They forget it is Americans in America and greedily profit themselves. Their ideology doesn't lift a nation but only certain few. Trickle down economics for conservative is now hiring a illegal to mow their lawns or hire cheap labor to produce items to sell in America. Where is their patriotism? Greedy profit gets in their way.
If conservative ran the revolutionary war with their motto of its every man for himself. We'd be British.
This Cusuto is such a chump. NOBODY will recall him in another 5 years. Just another transient SHILL for the GOP like Billo... they are both such self-adulating CHUMPS that it amazes me that even the most staunch GOP could even stomach them...
P.D. @ 4:
Can you imagine listening to that for the next 4 to 8 yrs?
O/B*08
fastfeat @ 53:
LOL ^5!
Neil Cavuto? Meh.
He'll get over it, I'm sure....
"Cavuto says McCain-Palin sound just like Obama-Biden"
People say Cavuto sounds just like every other fox pundit
McLame\Pallor know that the Republicans have occupied the White House for 28 of the past 40 years (70%) and Congress from 1994 until 2006. The Republican strategies have failed! Everyone in the USA now knows the Republicans for the frauds they are. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II (the Idiot) have made it nearly impossible for McLame\Pallor to win in November. Wake up Neal!
This is interesting. Cavuto got where he is, because he is a cool-aide drinker. A NeoCon believer. When his boss and mentor says he likes the bail-out (because it's money in their pockets while they exit the sinking ship), he has to wonder where the philosophy went.
Hey Neal -- Republicanism has always been a fraud to steal our money masquerading as a philosophy. The wakeup and hangover is going to be HUGE. Did you leave all your money in the market like Fox Finance told you to? Sucks for you, eh. Made a deal with the devil and you are losing money like everyone else.
I've been grieving over this since Bush stole office. I knew where it was headed. I know it is going to get worse. Take a look at the "fiat decree" that Bush is giving Paulson -- it will make him an emperor. My one consolation is the tough-love education that NeoCons are going to get as this year winds up.
Damn, at least they won't go hungry with all the humble pie they are going to be served. NeoCons are going crazy trying to blame Liberals for giving them matches.
Maybe Palin is the most qualified, highest integrity Republican available Neal Cavuto.
She should be on probation and the rest in jail.
McCain is for "change" because that is all that we are going to be left with.
With all McCain's talk of regulation, expanding government departments and change, McCain is turning into a liberal. What's next? Is he going to declare himself a Democrat? What a flip-flopper and FRAUD the guy is.
Any REAL Conservative should be voting for Bob Barr anyway. McCain/Palin is a pathetic joke.
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