What else to expect from this nutwork?

Ruthless People @ 3:

It's Obama/Biden over Palin/McCain 50%-42%

Time for another pack of lies from the Palin/McCain campaign.

http://www.dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/09/20

If you met the devil, would you fight him with a keyboard?

Damn, you learn something every day.

Kerry is French and Obama is a Muslim.

There is just so much exciting information on the Intertubes!

Lone Rogue @ 1 Oh yeah, I remember! She was the floozie that passed out on the pool table!

Karl Rove assomiglia ad un maiale.
Ma penso che ci sia troppo grasso su lui, lui abbia causato un fuoco.

Sorry, this Karl Rove assomiglia ad un maiale.
Ma penso che ci sia troppo grasso su lui, lui abbia causato un fuoco.
means he looks like a pig but with too much fat and may cause a fire.
sorry

it's Italian ... sorry

Dutton Peabody @ 12:

The truly ironic thing is that this country was founded by a pack of elitists...... I mean John Hancock was the richest man in North America, and Jefferson hardy had "working class" roots.

and they meant the constitution to insulate them from the clamors of the mob...
funny how shit works out, innit?

If Kerry had been in power to continue the Clinton legacy of peace and prosperity we wouldn't be in Iraq and our budget surplus would be intact so what's wrong with Obama being like Kerry? It's the Bush-Gramm-McCain-Cheney-Palin agenda has wrecked America.

The truly sad thing about this is the fact that this kind of misinformation (re-assures and) appeals to a significant sector of American society; people thinking with their asses instead of their brains. No matter how much sense Obama and Biden make, its this kind of belief system that makes this presidential election the tight race that it is. When conservatives, motivated by fear, come out to the polls in great numbers, the audacious can occur. It matters not that they are losing their homes, jobs, healthcare, The Constitution of a great Nation... This country will get what it deserves.

Closed on Sundays

This dude I know @ 21:

I know it's been said before, but it just comes down to it's bad when it's a Democrat, it's ok when you are Republican. Case in point.

John Kerry's wife inherited some of the Heinz ketchup fortune = bad. He is elitist, and out of touch, rich beyond our dreams, how can he stand for the middle class?

John McCain's wife inherited some of the Budweiser fortune = good. Anyone who gets that chance would take it, why wouldn't you? He clearly still has a foundation set in middle America and will fight hard for you.

Or John Edwards gets $400 haircut = bad. He says he is for the middle class and now this? I don't know what to believe, but I sure know that we can't trust him.

John McCain gets $500 loafers = good. Well, I mean come on. He's rich. He's earned it. End of story. When he was a PO-

Man the mediocrity and "can't do" mind set suffocating this country like OuCh.

Anyone heard anything from Sarah Palin in the last several days? They must have sent her to the same place they sent Ann Coulter and Dick Cheney.

28 Ruthless People Says:

"Anyone heard anything from Sarah Palin in the last several days? They must have sent her to the same place they sent Ann Coulter and Dick Cheney."

I figured that was going to happen. She was taking McCain's spotlight for a good while there so McCain had to pull the plug. I'm sure Palin is busy though where ever she is. After all, she has a lot of NeoCon ideology to catch up on.

Breaking news from Anchorage Daily News.

Seems the Public Safety Director Palin hired to replace the one she fired in Troopergate is a hardcore Christian conservative that may have been selected as part of a deal to get her picked as VP.

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/531723.html

I am so sick of these people and their lies. They are indeed despicable. That's why I am volunteering to canvass and talk to people face to face. Stop blogging and start walking. Volunteer for the Obama campaign. Talk to people in person. I did this last weekend. There are a lot of undecided voters out there who need to be reached and persuaded. It's the best way to reach people face to face, particularly if the media won't do its job.

33 Guitar Man Says:

"I have abolutely no interest in “trying to communicate” with those 13% of people in this country. I get angry when I try, so I’m done."

I think those 13% are who General Honore was refering to when he mentioned people being stuck on stupid.

xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

13% of the people in this country think Obama is a Muslim and someone thinks we can change that?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Brain implants????

♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 39:

xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

13% of the people in this country think Obama is a Muslim and someone thinks we can change that?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Brain implants????

Undertakers?

FOX Noise, fair and balanced for the severly mentally challenged Americans who Conservaloons hate with a passion deeper than America itself.
These a self-loaving phonies to the max.

Hm...

John Kerry was ahead of Obama at this time in 2004....

Verum @ 11:

Don't watch Fox, but this clip does explain all of the weird emails from my father in law who does get his news from Faux.

Although my wife and I live in Southern California, most of her relatives live in the Midwest (Ohio, southern Illinois, Indiana) and whenever we visit, I'm always astounded at over how many establishments -- hotel lobbys, restaurants, sports bars, nursing homes -- have Fox News as their their default station. Mind you, most of these are in small towns within the above-mentioned states, but I'm wondering if this also goes for the larger populated areas?

You notice how Rove and Lott speak as if they give a damn about the country. Lott is now a lobbyist (of course) and Rove is a criminal psychopath on the loose. Rivers of bullshit emanating from Fox news.

The guy who went to school on college loans is elitist over a guy born with an Admiral in the Navy father who helped him attend the Naval Academy where he nearly finished last in his class and who has been on a government payroll his entire life although he is married to a rich woman owns so many houses he can remember how many.

This should be an indication of how stupid FAUX NOIZ knows their viewership really is. They are not talking to people with IQs room temerature or higher because that dog don't hunt. Obama is the American Dream. McSame is recipient to wealth and born with a silver spoon up his ass.

Well, I guess he's not like Kerry in one important way to middle class white Democrats.

Garbage in, Garbage out.

Always amusing to see Ivy League windbags like Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich and Grover Nordquist rattle on about 'elitism,' especially when they're talking about a guy raised by a single mother on food stamps.

These people are nut jobs. In any other democracy in the world, they're mostly relegated to the fringes. In London, you can catch them at Speakers Corner in Hyde Park, standing on a wooden crate, ranting into a Mr. Microphone. In America, they have their own television network.

Maldoror @ 6:

If you met the devil, would you fight him with a keyboard?

I would hire the kid with the banjo. He kicked the devils ass.

people, don't worry, there are puhlenty of folks (R) who here in this reddest of red states who can't hold their noses long enough to vote for either mcsame or obama. so, a no-vote is like half a vote for obama. people have had enough and aren't listening to either side anymore now that the media has sort-of done their job and pointed out the truth about both side's positions. folks just want change and they don't think mcsame can provide it. as peggy noonan said, 'it's over'. 'they' may try to steal it electronically but i'm sure there are some surprises waiting. purging voter rolls and substandard voting facilities are a bigger problem IMO but if it's kept in check, Obama/Biden in a landslide.

.

Same horse, different jokey.

Dutton Peabody @ 13:

The truly ironic thing is that this country was founded by a pack of elitists...... I mean John Hancock was the richest man in North America, and Jefferson hardy had "working class" roots.

Don't forget George Washington. He was one of the richest men in Virginia and spent 8 years (without once taking a leave or furlough) leading the American army against the British - and never received a dime of pay.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 46:

oh really @ 8:

Damn, you learn something every day.

Kerry is French and Obama is a Muslim.

There is just so much exciting information on the Intertubes!

So?

The country that gave us Philip Augustus and Charles IX can't be all that bad.

I rather liked Henri of Navarre

;)

Barbara @ 65:

Dutton Peabody @ 13:

The truly ironic thing is that this country was founded by a pack of elitists...... I mean John Hancock was the richest man in North America, and Jefferson hardy had "working class" roots.

Don't forget George Washington. He was one of the richest men in Virginia and spent 8 years (without once taking a leave or furlough) leading the American army against the British - and never received a dime of pay.

And what's more, resigned as leader of the army.

Now that has only happened all of two times, I think in Western history: Sulla the despot, and Washington.

Johnny2Delusional@53
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Keep fighting the good fight troll. In your too numerous to count anti-Obama posts(while you totally ignore any of Grandpa's daily lies and bullshit), I'm sure you've probably convinced ABSOLUTELY NO ONE to vote for McFraud instead. But thank you anyway for you fair and balanced observations...lol.

we know how dirty fox plays, yet no journalist has the guts to ask mccain if there's any truth to the story that his dad helped cover up the attack on the u.s.s. liberty?

this isn't tin-foil hat territory, the attack on the liberty has already been covered by the chicago tribune and the baltimore sun.

get that story out there, or at least ask mccain that question on camera, and you will likely dismantle his support within the u.s. armed services.

"Hillary Sent Me."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/hillary-sent-me.php

I think they are using the China model of socialism without the accountability part and death sentence.

If they are, the airlines and car companies will be socialized.

Want more socialism, vote gop.

If not, don't.

What? Does he look French too?

The Church Lady Does Washington @ 34:

Obama has reportedly unleashed the 527s. let's see what the next few weeks brings to the airwaves.

Dennis @ 75:

If Bill Richardson had been nominated, he would have been labeled the most liberal senator.

in two languages.

two more ideas:

1) DO NOT attack ANY fellow democrats, at least until after the 1st week of november. if we all agree to do this, it will make it much easier to identify the trolls.

2) if you've never tried prayer, now might be a good time to start.

Is there some way to turn the tables on the scum at Faux News and expose all of them for the rightwing frauds that they are in one fell swoop? Some one with more savy then me should have some idea on how to accomplish this? How to destroy that whole pack of lying scyophants that they are? I, myself never watch this channel because I already have high blood pressure and to do so would negate the medication I now take. Any ideas anyone?

"Want more socialism, vote gop"

you're not serious are you? Vote GOP for more socialism? Democrats/Liberals = socialism. Take from the rich and give to the poor. give everyone a house, whether they can afford it or not. I was in another thread at this site last night, fending off the uninformed and just plain stupid (with the exception of Mudshark), when someone wrote a line something to the effect of "white superiority" because I'm a conservative. How come the party and philosophy of EVERYONE is EQUAL (liberals) are the first ones to identify race and/or religion in political matters (ie affirmative action, etc), yet point a finger of racism at conservatives? If it weren't so hypocritical, it'd be freakin hilarious.

As far as Fox "attacking" Obama...my goodness, you guys are unbelievable. Every network with the exception of Fox has personally and professionally attaced Sarah Palin, and Charlie Gibson's interview was more of an attempted ambush that conversation. What's the matter? Can't stand a little of the same medicine? the mere thought of Obama having a lead is enough to make most of these liberal institutions cream their pants, yet one station has the fortitude to tell it like it is, right or wrong, and you guys are the first to cry foul. I'm never amazed at the level of hypocrisy from the liberal left...

Hey Bullfrog,
since you're into all out debate and stuff, why don't we start talking about Obama receiving more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Franklin Raines, CEO of Fannie Mae till from 98 to 04 received 90 million in compensation, was caught cooking the books, while his company goes belly up. Why is he an economic advisor to Obama? Why do you liberals think that this loan mess is a conservative problem, when most of the liberal politicians, including Chris Dodd, Democrat and Chairman of the House Banking Committee, received the second most money, next to Obama. How come Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were soooo into giving money to the most liberal senator in the congress?

LT @ 88:

Hey Bullfrog,
since you're into all out debate and stuff, why don't we start talking about Obama receiving more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Franklin Raines, CEO of Fannie Mae till from 98 to 04 received 90 million in compensation, was caught cooking the books, while his company goes belly up. Why is he an economic advisor to Obama? Why do you liberals think that this loan mess is a conservative problem, when most of the liberal politicians, including Chris Dodd, Democrat and Chairman of the House Banking Committee, received the second most money, next to Obama. How come Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were soooo into giving money to the most liberal senator in the congress?

Only one person can receive the second-most.

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LT @ 88:

Hey Bullfrog,
since you're into all out debate and stuff, why don't we start talking about Obama receiving more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Franklin Raines, CEO of Fannie Mae till from 98 to 04 received 90 million in compensation, was caught cooking the books, while his company goes belly up. Why is he an economic advisor to Obama? Why do you liberals think that this loan mess is a conservative problem, when most of the liberal politicians, including Chris Dodd, Democrat and Chairman of the House Banking Committee, received the second most money, next to Obama. How come Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were soooo into giving money to the most liberal senator in the congress?

no amount of spin or smoke and mirrors will hide the simple truth that YOUR SIDE and YOUR CANDIDATE created this mess through deregulation.

YOUR SIDE asked us to trust the foxes to run the hen house, and now we're ALL out of eggs.

McCAIN REPEATEDLY WARNED OF THIS CRISIS AND TRIED TO PASS LEGISLATION TO PREVENT IT.

“I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.” -Sen. John McCain

once again you are wrong...

The Dems could nominate Attila the Hun and repubs would be calling him the most liberal Hun ever.

Any economists in this crowd?

I have been researching China's socialism and it looks like we are using that model.

The car and airlines have asked for bailouts and China socialized them.

Their financial institutions are socialized too.

Did we surrender to China and socialism?

LT @ 99:

misread your post about the "petty" thing. apologies...

Seriously though,
How can you say that its a failure of conservatism when
1. Bad loans were made to people who could not afford them. This is not a policy created by conservatives. It dreamed up by liberals who want everyone to be on the same playing field, whether they can afford it or not. Just like the tax those who have it and give it to those who don't
2. McCain, as posted above, tried to fix this mess, but was met with resistance from who? thats right, liberals

3. the money flowed straight from Obama's cronie Franklin Raines, straight to his campain. funny how raines was there until 2004, and Obama received more money in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. hmm.
4. the money also went to other notable democrats in key places. Chris Dodd, head of the House Banking Committee. Kind of a key position regarding the nature of this fiasco, wouldn't you agree? I'll ask you again, why do you think so much money went from Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac to these liberal congressmen?

LT, i believe it is illegal to reprint rush limbaugh's talking points memo without acknowledging the source. ;}

Ok LT,good morning by the way.

I have a question for you.
Is it the peoples fault who applied for those loans? Or is it the people who approved those loans?
Dreamed Up by liberals? Really.
that will not work. try again.

"Bad loans were made to people who could not afford them."

getalife @ 98:

Any economists in this crowd?

I have been researching China's socialism and it looks like we are using that model.

The car and airlines have asked for bailouts and China socialized them.

Their financial institutions are socialized too.

Did we surrender to China and socialism?

socialism? hell, no!

i ain't putting those deadbeats freddie mac and fannie mae on the dole with my hard-earned money!

Will Fox News "Take It There"

As a Black man, I have had to live with this dynamic all my life: America has a race problem. As of late, I have had to keep it to myself because in many circles, it is politically incorrect to acknowledge this fact in a post Bakke world. I hate to wonder but I must. Will Fox News go so low as to attack Barack Obama on a racial level?

When I turned on the computer, it was staring me in my face: "Role of race In Election." My first reaction was involuntary as my heart started racing with a sense of doom. The doom belongs to Obama's chances of getting elected in this country.

All of America is not bigots, especially the special breed we have on C&L. But I have to ask myself what is the true feelings associated with silent racism. It could kill the Democratic chances for getting the Republicans out of the oval office. We can only wait and see.

Joseph

LT @ 99:

misread your post about the "petty" thing. apologies...

Seriously though,
How can you say that its a failure of conservatism when
1. Bad loans were made to people who could not afford them. This is not a policy created by conservatives. It dreamed up by liberals who want everyone to be on the same playing field, whether they can afford it or not. Just like the tax those who have it and give it to those who don't
2. McCain, as posted above, tried to fix this mess, but was met with resistance from who? thats right, liberals
3. the money flowed straight from Obama's cronie Franklin Raines, straight to his campain. funny how raines was there until 2004, and Obama received more money in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. hmm.
4. the money also went to other notable democrats in key places. Chris Dodd, head of the House Banking Committee. Kind of a key position regarding the nature of this fiasco, wouldn't you agree? I'll ask you again, why do you think so much money went from Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac to these liberal congressmen?

LT, one final point before i go.

i think most of us here would gladly accept a spirited debate with you on the virtues of conservatism... IF THERE WERE ANY REAL CONSERVATIVES LEFT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Digest this and then we can discuss it. I have to go to the drugstore for my daughter but I'll be back.

The Root of all Evil: The Freddie and Fannie Gravy Train
As the fallout and panic from the financial mismanagement continues, and the blame game accelerates to new lows, Ed Morrissey flushes out the real difference between the Presidential candidates (and their parties) regarding the corruption that facilitated the whole mess in the first place. This is exceptional work from the good Captain:

With the financial sector in turmoil today, the media and the politicians have started throwing around blame with the same recklessness as lenders threw around credit to create the problem. Politically, the pertinent question is this: Which candidate foresaw the credit crisis and tried to do something about it? As it turns out, John McCain did — and partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending three years ago, after an attempt by the Bush administration died in Congress two years earlier. McCain spoke forcefully on May 25, 2006, on behalf of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 (via Beltway Snark):

Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

In this speech, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammers the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama this year. McCain also noted the power of their lobbying efforts to forestall oversight over their business practices. He finishes with the warning that proved all too prescient over the past few days and weeks.

What was this bill? The act would have done the following:

(1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.

Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.

It never made it out of committee. Chris Dodd, then the ranking member of the Banking Committee and now its chair, was in the middle of receiving preferential loan treatment from Countrywide Mortgage, one of the companies gaming the system in the credit crisis. Meanwhile, Barack Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyists McCain mentions in this speech, making him the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money ...
Raines, who McCain mentioned in his 2006 floor speech, was the chairman of Obama's VP selection committee. And the beat goes on... Read the rest here.

Also, if you missed the link above to Ed's earlier story about the Countrywide connection, be sure and check it out.

LT

LT,

So "liberal policies" somehow forced private financial institutions to voluntarily pimp adjustable-rate and sub-prime mortgages to people who couldn't afford them?

How exactly did "liberals" make that happen?

I'm sorry it took so long for me to reply to that FAUX video essay but I was puking my guts out over it. Isn't there some rule that FCC has that says you can't make stuff/crap/bs up and spout it on the air. Of course they'd scream 1st amendment rights (I don't think Bush gutted that amendment yet, has he?). One day, someone will take them to court and just sue them for slander.

Ron @ 59:

Maldoror @ 6:

If you met the devil, would you fight him with a keyboard?

I would hire the kid with the banjo. He kicked the devils ass.

Also, some kid with a fiddle beat him too... in Georgia of all places.

What's so amazing about the right wanting to compare Obama to Kerry? Hasn't the left labeled McCain "McSame" and done everything it can to point to his voting record and tie him to Bush? Is that completely lost to Silentpatriot? That's what is truly remarkable.

The tactics of the left and right are basically identical- lie to your opponents and lie to your supporters.

LT @ 86:

"Want more socialism, vote gop"

you're not serious are you? Vote GOP for more socialism? Democrats/Liberals = socialism. Take from the rich and give to the poor. give everyone a house, whether they can afford it or not. I was in another thread at this site last night, fending off the uninformed and just plain stupid (with the exception of Mudshark), when someone wrote a line something to the effect of "white superiority" because I'm a conservative. How come the party and philosophy of EVERYONE is EQUAL (liberals) are the first ones to identify race and/or religion in political matters (ie affirmative action, etc), yet point a finger of racism at conservatives? If it weren't so hypocritical, it'd be freakin hilarious.

As far as Fox "attacking" Obama...my goodness, you guys are unbelievable. Every network with the exception of Fox has personally and professionally attaced Sarah Palin, and Charlie Gibson's interview was more of an attempted ambush that conversation. What's the matter? Can't stand a little of the same medicine? the mere thought of Obama having a lead is enough to make most of these liberal institutions cream their pants, yet one station has the fortitude to tell it like it is, right or wrong, and you guys are the first to cry foul. I'm never amazed at the level of hypocrisy from the liberal left...

Don't bother to let facts cloud your vision... I see you still cling to the 1970's fully-discredited view of the 2-party system! Today's Republicans are only good at deregulating to the brink of disaster, and then once the trough is full... asking the American worker to clean up the mess. Republicans are ANTI-capitalists! They are corporatists.

So, tell me, what is McCain's ONLY actual proposal to help families during this economic crisis? Obama has at least 15 specific proposals. McCain has bunch of rhetoric and 1 specific proposal. And, the right claims Obama is the empty suit!

All hear from McCain are (a) outright lies about Palin's 'great' life experiences, (b) mis-truths, nearly lies, about Obama and his proposals, and (c) mis-characterizations about McCain's past. He doesn't actually HAVE any proposals worth talking about!

BTW Obama is about as centrist and mainstream as you get ... it is how Bush lied to get elected in 2000 (populist) and McCain flopped to - Mr. Populist. And, America is so ill-informed about our economy or civics in general, they think the Republicans' 30-year philosophy is reasonable! McCain might fool us again.

You don't expect them to attack Gore/LIEBERMAN now, do you?

Get real
Are you kidding me? Obama is a centrist? If you care to look at "facts" as you suggest, you'll see that Obama HAS THE MOST LIBERAL (LEFT) VOTING RECORD IN THE U.S. SENATE. And as far as the 2 party system goes, I cling to nothing of the sort. The fact of the matter is liberal policies, in my opinion and many others, are equal to socialism. How can you better describe it - Increased taxes, redistribution of wealth, hand out progrmams, it goes on and on. How can you guys not see that increased taxes on businesses (windfall profits) are passed on to us, the consumer? Don't even get me started on energy. Everyday, we make foreign nations rich by importing their oil. The democratic congress will not let us drill in known oil-holding areas. They would rather have hugh gas prices, and blame the oil companies. Obama said his only problem with current gasoline prices was that they rose to suddenly. Wow. thanks man. I drive about 200 miles per day. I'm glad that he doesn't see that as a REAL PROBLEM. BTW how can congress sit there and point the finger at oil companies, when congress themselves are the one controlling the price of oil? Supply and demand. Let them drill and the prices will come down. Its pretty damn simple. The oil companies have no control over the price of oil. That is determined by speculators. The oil companies could however increase the supply, congress just won't let them do it. For political gain, they would rather hoodwink the American people into believing that they are somehow responsible. Heaven forbid, Americans might become educated in this area and hold them accountable. good grief.

Finally are you still seriously holding onto to the Bush cheated to get into office??? Like I said, I'm never amazed by the craziness of the fringe left. Obama is mainstream and a centrist??? I'm ROTFLMAO. absolutely crazy

LT @ 101:

misread your post about the "petty" thing. apologies...

Seriously though,
How can you say that its a failure of conservatism when
1. Bad loans were made to people who could not afford them. This is not a policy created by conservatives. It dreamed up by liberals who want everyone to be on the same playing field, whether they can afford it or not. Just like the tax those who have it and give it to those who don't
2. McCain, as posted above, tried to fix this mess, but was met with resistance from who? thats right, liberals
3. the money flowed straight from Obama's cronie Franklin Raines, straight to his campain. funny how raines was there until 2004, and Obama received more money in the past 4 years than any other congressman in 20. hmm.
4. the money also went to other notable democrats in key places. Chris Dodd, head of the House Banking Committee. Kind of a key position regarding the nature of this fiasco, wouldn't you agree? I'll ask you again, why do you think so much money went from Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac to these liberal congressmen?

It isn't a liberal/conservative thing.

1. Derivatives, CDOs CMBS', and RMBS were created and promoted by big business. Deregulation (penned by Gramm) permitted it. Proper oversight would have prevented it. Republicans are wrong - It is the responsibility of a lender to qualify a borrower - not the other way around. Always was ... and soon will be again. There should be NO bailout for businesses. Government should be "For, by, and of the people..."... I am sorry, when there was NO risk to the broker and originator .. the fiduciary trust an responsibility of the financial adviser was violated. In my state, the law states all brokers and houses who promoted these sub-primes are at-fault and should lose their license and be penalized. Will they be? Of course not.

2. Wrong .. the bill you speak of was in 2006 - Republicans and the President blocked it.

3. Do you have a legitimate source? (e.g. not a right-wing blog or Fox)

4. Funny, the Dems have been blocked on nearly every thing they have tried to do for 2 years (veto-threats and filibusters) + all deregulation and oversight reduction occurred during the Republican Congress (incl. Clinton's admin) + Republican philosophy of business good, government bad = Somehow it is them "liberal democrats fault".

FNMA and FDMC were perfectly good institutions for almost 70 years .. it was only the explosion of CDOs the last 5-10 years that caused this problem.

Trust me.. liberals "Don't know much about CDOs!" They are antithetical to liberal philosophy. But - paramount to modern conservatism.

Hmmnnn.. !?!?!

#59 Gordon Brown is not an elitist ? Are we talking baout the same downing street?
Brown was born in the most blue collar part of industrial town of Glasgow. He is lower middle class because his father was a preacher and got free house withthe church. Brown got a public education and taught at a techinical college. His doctorate was in History and was about socialism. He used to be a strong socialist which is considerably to the left of Liberal, and not by any stretch of the imagination could Brown be described as an elitist.

Thoughts

Just because you say something doesn't make it so. Go to govtrack and look up FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT 2005. It has nothing to do with Republicans and the president in 2006. CHECK THE STATUS OF THE BILL. ITS DEAD BECAUSE IT WAS BLOCKED BY DEMOCRATS. I'LL debate with you some more when you know/understand what you're talking about

g'day

LT

LT @ 126:

Get real
Are you kidding me? Obama is a centrist? If you care to look at "facts" as you suggest, you'll see that Obama HAS THE MOST LIBERAL (LEFT) VOTING RECORD IN THE U.S. SENATE. And as far as the 2 party system goes, I cling to nothing of the sort. The fact of the matter is liberal policies, in my opinion and many others, are equal to socialism. How can you better describe it - Increased taxes, redistribution of wealth, hand out progrmams, it goes on and on. How can you guys not see that increased taxes on businesses (windfall profits) are passed on to us, the consumer? Don't even get me started on energy. Everyday, we make foreign nations rich by importing their oil. The democratic congress will not let us drill in known oil-holding areas. They would rather have hugh gas prices, and blame the oil companies. Obama said his only problem with current gasoline prices was that they rose to suddenly. Wow. thanks man. I drive about 200 miles per day. I'm glad that he doesn't see that as a REAL PROBLEM. BTW how can congress sit there and point the finger at oil companies, when congress themselves are the one controlling the price of oil? Supply and demand. Let them drill and the prices will come down. Its pretty damn simple. The oil companies have no control over the price of oil. That is determined by speculators. The oil companies could however increase the supply, congress just won't let them do it. For political gain, they would rather hoodwink the American people into believing that they are somehow responsible. Heaven forbid, Americans might become educated in this area and hold them accountable. good grief.

Finally are you still seriously holding onto to the Bush cheated to get into office??? Like I said, I'm never amazed by the craziness of the fringe left. Obama is mainstream and a centrist??? I'm ROTFLMAO. absolutely crazy

Impossible to start .. let's see: No... Yes... uhh, according to who? yeah - the Right Wing rag. The rest was mindless chatter - oh, and I was not talking about the stolen election - I was talking about Bush's 'compassionate conservatism,' which we now know means the opposite (e.g. Clear Skies, Healthy Forests, NCLB,etc). Because he intended to deceive - that is the definition of LIE.

Here you go :
Most Liberal - From a Liberal's POV (link):
Obama - 42nd; Biden - 48th; McCain - 96th

Most Conservative From a Conservative's POV (link):
Obama - 70th; Biden - 81st; McCain - 39th

As a real kicker, in early 2005 Obama WAS in fact 1st. And McCain was 52nd most liberal. As people learned more about Obama - he was re-classified as a Centrist (1st --> 42nd). McCain as an already known quantity, tacked to the right so he could run for Pres and went from Centrist ("mavericky") to Far Right ("flip-flop") (52nd --> 96th).

Keep running with your discredited "FOX FAX" .. America is too busy to question them.

My point exactly. From a conservative's view, and from a liberal's view Obama IS THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR IN THE U.S. SENATE.

As people learned more about Obama - he was re-classified as a Centrist (1st –> 42nd). McCain as an already known quantity, tacked to the right so he could run for Pres and went from Centrist (”mavericky”) to Far Right (”flip-flop”) (52nd –> 96th).= MINDLESS JIBBER JABBER.

LT

Got oil? We will invade. Not a single act of terrorism since is linked to Iraq between the first and second Iraq wars. The market is free if you kill 100,000 civilians. Why do republicans hate the sanctity of life? Republicans believe abortion should begin after birth. In fact, France, Germany and Russia had negotiated oil contracts with Iraq that that undercut USA who preferred war to diplomacy. That is why these provided no assistance to Bush. Oil execs were furious, Bush invaded. Cheney gathers up oil executives in private meetings to distribute the spoils of war. Once a gain the free market with a little help from Uncle Sam and a lot of bombs and dead bodies

That must be it. Thats why we're payin so little for gas right? According to your argument, we should be paying record low prices at the pump because the surplus we've obtained from Iraq.

Windfall profits that could have been used for extraction on existing leased land instead were squandered in executive paycheck. The republicans responsible for awarding leased land for minerals and oil were having orgies with oil industry hotties. Sex for oil. Why do republicans hate family values? Is that what you teach your children - go f’k a republican and grab some oil?

Not all leased land contains oil. No we teach our kids if your president you can turn the white house into your personal whorehouse, cheat on your wife, lie to congress, and as Nancy Pelosi so graciously asserted her position, the Catholic Church really doesn't knnow where it stands on abortion, thats why we think its alright.

Obviously with all the attention that I've drawn here, I don't have all day to answer every sentence you've uttered...

LT @ 138:

Obviously with all the attention that I've drawn here, I don't have all day to answer every sentence you've uttered...

And we all thank you for that.

You can bet when Palin has another five babies after she gets elected, she'll be the first to take advantage of the governments health care plan, one more generous than any of us in the middle class could hope for (unless we go to canada or cuba).

GOP, and their ilk. What a waste of sperm. Da fodderland gotta be proud.

LT @ 145:

You know what. You're completely wrong. You don't know jack about the oil industry. I'm a lease agent. I lease land for oil exploration. I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. I'm working on a natural gas project in north Louisiana. I've worked there since the beginning of 08. there are producing wells in that area RIGHT NOW. SO MUCH FOR THE 10 YEAR ARGUMENT...AND SPECULATORS ARE NOT OIL COMPANIES. Let me know when you get a handle on how all this works, ok? And yes, you're completely crazy if you think most Americans believe Obama is a centrist...LOL

LT

HHAA! You are funny!!!! and ignorant... remind not to lease anything from you.

Geez .. and I thought Palin was the most renown energy expert ... LT FOR VP!!

Fred, obviously you are the one who's ignorant, as you would never lease anything from me. I would lease it from you dummy. Thats how it works. Of course, I don't expect you, nor anyone here on this site to understand facts about anyting...

LT @ 145:

You know what. You're completely wrong. You don't know jack about the oil industry. I'm a lease agent. I lease land for oil exploration. I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. I'm working on a natural gas project in north Louisiana. I've worked there since the beginning of 08. there are producing wells in that area RIGHT NOW. SO MUCH FOR THE 10 YEAR ARGUMENT...AND SPECULATORS ARE NOT OIL COMPANIES. Let me know when you get a handle on how all this works, ok? And yes, you're completely crazy if you think most Americans believe Obama is a centrist...LOL

LT

I happy to hear Obama is not a centrist. Why the f'k after the last 8 years would anyone vote for a another POS republican or "centrist" like Lieberman?"

Nice to hear you are in the oil industry. After windfall profits bill -so many engineers and scientists were fired to leave oil and gas in the hands of MBAs who decided that creating demand was more profitable than creating supply. Sort of the opposite of local non-oil producing states rewarding home owners for improving efficiency and in process reducing demand.

But a few million dollars in tax breaks isn't nothing compared to a 300 billion in windfall oil profits for doing nothing. Anyway try to stay calm, I wouldn't want you to spill your brandy on that nice silk smoking jacket. That hard working Mexican family that ran your dry cleaners was arrested and thrown in jail on immigration charges. Too bad we don't treat wall street oil executives that way.