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The Hill: Sarah Palin won't say whether veep is an executive post. I'm sooo sick of these fringe-dwelling asshats and their disdain for democracy.

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General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

On the Veep Office:

Executive branch. Period. Palin can bullshit or not, it's still executive branch.

On the bailout:

Stupid is as stupid does.

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can 's picture

Bush is asking for 700 billion for the bailout swindle.

The CBO pegs the cost of the 'war' thus far at 556 billion. Joseph Stiglitz previously has projected ultimately 3 trillion.

The two greatest swindles in the history of the world.

Knowing which is the greater of the two will take some considerable time.

so the collapse is the great october surprise! bush and his friends make things so risky that we have to bail out the people who will lay off thousands, if not millions of soon-to-be former middle-class americans as part of the required austerity measures imposed by the loans. Your entire financial system will now be in foreign hands or worse, the greedy, inept hands of those who precipitated this problem in the first place. You will bear the brunt of the greed of others as others have born the brunt of your own relentless greed and self-righteousness.

Say "Goodbye" to your middle class, America. The dream of Prescott Bush and Henry Ford is coming to fruition through the reign of the dim, but ambitious grandson, Bush the Lesser. Who thought someone that dumb could do that much damage?

Say "Goodbye" to your empire, you over-privileged, hateful americans. Your indignant and undignified hatred of the others on this planet and the other citizens of your own country has placed your country right in the hands of those you ridiculed, those you despised .

You let the media fuel your bigotry and hatreds, of people of color, of people of other nations, of people who don't speak english, both without and within your borders. You accepted any lie that would allow you to vent your anger on another, helpless country, IRAQ, even as you knew that they had nothing to do with 9/11. You let the media help you justify that your thirst for oil was still sufficient reason to ignore the deaths of over a million people and the destruction of the birthplace of civilization.

In the Bible it says: "As you sow, so shall you reap". Amazingly, as the Bible is used in this country, the Jew-hating Christians would have killed Christ for advocating Love, Charity and Peace.

Saddest of all is that this calamity has already led to finger-pointing. Ignorant America will NEVER learn.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 3:

so the collapse is the great october surprise! bush and his friends make things so risky that we have to bail out the people who will lay off thousands, if not millions of soon-to-be former middle-class americans as part of the required austerity measures imposed by the loans. Your entire financial system will now be in foreign hands or worse, the greedy, inept hands of those who precipitated this problem in the first place. You will bear the brunt of the greed of others as others have born the brunt of your own relentless greed and self-righteousness.

Say "Goodbye" to your middle class, America. The dream of Prescott Bush and Henry Ford is coming to fruition through the reign of the dim, but ambitious grandson, Bush the Lesser. Who thought someone that dumb could do that much damage?

Say "Goodbye" to your empire, you over-privileged, hateful americans. Your indignant and undignified hatred of the others on this planet and the other citizens of your own country has placed your country right in the hands of those you ridiculed, those you despised .

You let the media fuel your bigotry and hatreds, of people of color, of people of other nations, of people who don't speak english, both without and within your borders. You accepted any lie that would allow you to vent your anger on another, helpless country, IRAQ, even as you knew that they had nothing to do with 9/11. You let the media help you justify that your thirst for oil was still sufficient reason to ignore the deaths of over a million people and the destruction of the birthplace of civilization.

In the Bible it says: "As you sow, so shall you reap". Amazingly, as the Bible is used in this country, the Jew-hating Christians would have killed Christ for advocating Love, Charity and Peace.

Saddest of all is that this calamity has already led to finger-pointing. Ignorant America will NEVER learn.

You mean the mainland empire itself is in danger, now?

Don't tell me you genuinely believe that Atzlan bullshit, it made as much sense as Stalin's version of Communism.

Leadership's picture

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

Too short, it would have to be at least a minimum of 65 million years.

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can 's picture

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

The thing I would change is;

4. We Nuke them, Nuclear Winter sets in…

6. 200 million years later…

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 7:

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

The thing I would change is;

4. We Nuke them, Nuclear Winter sets in…

6. 200 million years later…

No, 200 million years later is when Pangaea Ultima's going to appear. Sapient life is not well-adapted to emerge in such conditions, too many selective factors against it. I think roughly 100 million to 65 million years might see our successors as intelligent species come along, you've still got the diversity and split areas where intelligent species can evolve in more isolation.

Our ancestors the bipedal apes required a great deal of isolation to survive for a long time. It will be no different for any other species wishing to get the degree of wankitude the whole human race did.

VegasRage's picture

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:

Bush is asking for 700 billion for the bailout swindle.

The CBO pegs the cost of the 'war' thus far at 556 billion. Joseph Stiglitz previously has projected ultimately 3 trillion.

The two greatest swindles in the history of the world.

Knowing which is the greater of the two will take some considerable time.

Yes and where is that mooney... money going to come from? We don't have it. If there was ever a time to buy gold and silver, fill the pantry and keep that way it would be now. They are diluting the dollar like never before, this will cause massive hyperinflation and it can't be sustained.

In only a matter of days we have expanded our national debt by a trillion dollars, we have just jumped to over 10 trillion dollars.

We have 50 trillion in the pipe in entitlements, all of the baby boomers retirement is locked up in that lead brick the stock market and they must start taking payment by law in 2016. What happens when there are more sellers than buyers. The government is out of ammo folks, their is nothing left in their bag of tricks after this. All they have done is bought time, prolonged the inevitable and ensured the next crash will be worse.

milquetoast's picture

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. 1 year later...Cheney, the Bush family and friends, (deRothchilds, Rockefellers, BinLadens, British royalty ect..ect..) all emerge from their bunkers, (clothed in lead suits) to check out the "New World Order"

woody, tokin librul's picture

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...
1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

You know, that's just crazy enough to be likely, certainly plausible, if not inevitable.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

milquetoast @ 10:

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. 1 year later...Cheney, the Bush family and friends, (deRothchilds, Rockefellers, BinLadens, British royalty ect..ect..) all emerge from their bunkers, (clothed in lead suits) to check out the "New World Order"

Amitola's picture

Just think "Argentina" - like it was back in the 70's: privatization of nationalized assets, hyperinflation, and the "dissapearance" of millions of citizens.

Dont' cry for me.....

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

Gobbled up my response there.

I'd state that if the Bush family and company are coming out in lead suits, they'll not have long to check out the charnel house Earth. Lead poisons you.

And the Brits have nowhere to run from Russian and American nukes.

No, the likely result is that a few scattered remnants of humanity numbering about as much as Indus Valley-Sumer-Norte Chico days survive...

before all the corpses left start spreading disease and forcing reversion back to Paleolithic levels of technology and the World is Divided again. I just hope we don't end up being the Pelegs.

woody, tokin librul's picture

Murkin racism's gonna triumph in conditions whereby it SEEMS to have been dispelled.

Murkins, especially the elites, have long chafed under the international opprobrium of USer endemic, systemic racism.

Nominating Obama relieves 'em of the taint. "Murka's not racist anymore. How could a 'racist' country nominate a black guy to lead one of the two major parties and compete for the Presidency?' they'll ask, disingenuously.

The McC(umst)ain campaign consists solely in creating and providing (deniably plausible) reasons why white voters should either NOT vote for Obama or just stay home.

If that doesn't work, there's stealing the election itself, as they've done successfully at LEAST the last two times there's been a national election. there's no reason to believe they'd abandon a successful strategy now.

Or the McBusheviks could lead the country into a war do distract from and try to partially ameliorate--through more war-based consumption--the huge costs of bailing out the rich/elites.

JHR's picture

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:

Bush is asking for 700 billion for the bailout swindle.

The CBO pegs the cost of the 'war' thus far at 556 billion. Joseph Stiglitz previously has projected ultimately 3 trillion.

The two greatest swindles in the history of the world.

Knowing which is the greater of the two will take some considerable time.

Tell me where we get the money to do this? I assume they are going to have the Treasury simply print more money? How is this going to help matters in the long run? Both candidates need to give the tax cut rhetoric a rest; there is absolutely no way we can continue to cut taxes; no way. Given that scenario, I agree with Obama; it's far better to take it from the people who can most afford to give it!

One other point; if we're going to bail out these companies, Congress should monitor CEO pay. None of them should be making obscene salaries and be given huge golden parachutes! NONE!

Amitola @ 12:

Just think "Argentina" - like it was back in the 70's: privatization of nationalized assets, hyperinflation, and the "dissapearance" of millions of citizens.

Dont' cry for me.....

Did they 'disappear' millions of Argentines?
I always thought it was more like 100,000...
Mostly commies.
No biggie...

Melody's picture

Take a look at this ad. It is the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....606/604527

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can 's picture

When the intelligent Cockroaches wil roam the Earth, we cannot be certain.

We seem to be agreed that Sarah Flat Earth Bring on the Rapture Nuke 'Em War Mamma Palin is a rather poor choice for a National Leader.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 8:

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 7:

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

The thing I would change is;

4. We Nuke them, Nuclear Winter sets in…

6. 200 million years later…

No, 200 million years later is when Pangaea Ultima's going to appear. Sapient life is not well-adapted to emerge in such conditions, too many selective factors against it. I think roughly 100 million to 65 million years might see our successors as intelligent species come along, you've still got the diversity and split areas where intelligent species can evolve in more isolation.

Our ancestors the bipedal apes required a great deal of isolation to survive for a long time. It will be no different for any other species wishing to get the degree of wankitude the whole human race did.

Melody's picture
General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 18:

When the intelligent Cockroaches wil roam the Earth, we cannot be certain.

We seem to be agreed that Sarah Flat Earth Bring on the Rapture Nuke 'Em War Mamma Palin is a rather poor choice for a National Leader.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 8:

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 7:

Leadership @ 5:

The thing I would change is;

4. We Nuke them, Nuclear Winter sets in…

6. 200 million years later…

No, 200 million years later is when Pangaea Ultima's going to appear. Sapient life is not well-adapted to emerge in such conditions, too many selective factors against it. I think roughly 100 million to 65 million years might see our successors as intelligent species come along, you've still got the diversity and split areas where intelligent species can evolve in more isolation.

Our ancestors the bipedal apes required a great deal of isolation to survive for a long time. It will be no different for any other species wishing to get the degree of wankitude the whole human race did.

There's nothing to disagree on (regarding her qualifications). Whatever Obama has against him, Palin has more so. Between the two, I'd rather the man with the experienced Veep than the man with the Whitewashed tomb Veep.

VietVet8666's picture

Alternative scenario:

Obama wins.
House and senate go solidly Dem.
Much hpoe here and abroad.
But the clusterfuck in Iraq continues.
The economic mess continues...erosion of the middle class continues.
Unlike the current Dems, Repubs turn out to be a ferocious opposition party.
Obama is unable to drain the swamp. He spends all his time fighting alligators.
America sinks into a hostile stew politically...a really hostile stew.
Four years from now, the Repub candidate asks, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?"
The answer is a resounding "No!"

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin's picture

woody, tokin librul @ 16:

Amitola @ 12:

Just think "Argentina" - like it was back in the 70's: privatization of nationalized assets, hyperinflation, and the "dissapearance" of millions of citizens.

Dont' cry for me.....

Did they 'disappear' millions of Argentines?
I always thought it was more like 100,000...
Mostly commies.
No biggie...

Not just Commies, indigenous Argentines, too.

milquetoast's picture

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 13:

I'd state that if the Bush family and company are coming out in lead suits, they'll not have long to check out the charnel house Earth. Lead poisons you.
No, the likely result is that a few scattered remnants of humanity numbering about as much as Indus Valley-Sumer-Norte Chico days survive...

Ok then...

6. 1 year later…Cheney, the Bush family and friends, (deRothchilds, Rockefellers, BinLadens, British royalty ect..ect..) all emerge from their lavish self sustaining underground livingquarters, (clothed in lead lined Radiation/Hazmat suits) to check out the “New World Order” Then return underground. ...and unleash Blackwater (from another bunker)...(also wearing hazmat suits) to finish off the rest of humanity.

garcia's picture

Bush is asking for 700 billion for the bailout according to CBS. ISN'T THAT A BITCH? And he is acting as he is rescuing America. What an asshole! And some of his groupies are buying it! These asshole reminds me of that movie Klue, I think that's the name, with Robert Redford and Paul Newman. They swindled everybody. 8 years of plundering, and Americans still in the darks. Well! Bush has been worried about his legacy. He got it!

LIST OF FAILED BANKS DURING THE "SUPREME LEADER" BUSH AKA "THE DECIDER"

1. First Heritage Bank, NA, Newport Beach, CA July 25, 2008
2. First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, NV July 25, 2008
3I.ndyMac Bank, Pasadena, CA July 11, 2008
4. First Integrity Bank, NA, Staples, MN July 25, 2008
5. ANB Financial, NA, Bentonville, AR July 25, 2008
6. Hume Bank, Hume, MO July 25, 2008
7. Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, MO July 25, 2008
8. Miami Valley Bank, Lakeview, OH July 25, 2008
9. NetBank, Alpharetta, GA July 25, 2008
10.Metropolitan Savings Bank, Pittsburgh, PA July 25, 2008
11. Bank of Ephraim, Ephraim, UT April 9, 2008
12. Reliance Bank, White Plains, NY April 9, 2008
13. Guaranty National Bank of Tallahassee, Tallahassee, FL July 25, 2008
14. Dollar Savings Bank, Newark, New Jersey April 9, 2008
15. Pulaski Savings Bank, Philadelphia, PA July 22, 2005
16. The First National Bank of Blanchardville, Blanchardville, WI July 25, 2008
17. Southern Pacific Bank, Torrance, CA July 25, 2008
18. The Farmers Bank of Cheneyville, Cheneyville, LA October 20, 2004
19. The Bank of Alamo, Alamo, TN March 18, 2005
2O. AmTrade International Bank of Georgia, Atlanta, GA September 11, 2006
21. AmTrade International Bank of Georgia, Atlanta, GA
22. Spanish Version September 11, 2006
23. Universal Federal Savings Bank, Chicago, IL April 9, 2008
24. Connecticut Bank of Commerce, Stamford, CT July 25, 2008
25. New Century Bank, Shelby Township, MI March 18, 2005
26. Net 1st National Bank, Boca Raton, FL April 9, 2008
27. NextBank, N.A., Phoenix, AZ July 25, 2008
28. Oakwood Deposit Bank Company, Oakwood, OH July 25, 2008
29. Bank of Sierra Blanca, Sierra Blanca, TX November 6, 2003
30. Hamilton Bank, N.A., Miami, FL
31. Spanish Version July 25, 2008
32. Sinclair National Bank, Gravette, AR February 10, 2004
33. Superior Bank, FSB, Hinsdale, IL July 25, 2008
34. The Malta National Bank, Malta, OH November 18, 2002
35. First Alliance Bank & Trust Company, Manchester, NH February 18, 2003
36. National State Bank of Metropolis, Metropolis, IL March 17, 2005
37. Bank of Honolulu, Honolulu, HI March 17, 2005

And we thought that little Jimmy Carter was a lousy President.

Americans, fucking wake up and smell the coffee.
Bush might be a fucking cartoon in comparison to palin!

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can 's picture

We are going to borrow it. Just as we have borrowed the money for the 'war'. That is the reason (among several) that I call them swindles.

We are kicking the GREAT AMERICAN PONZI scheme down the road.

The next President will have very few choices.

If it is McCain and he doesn't die leading to Moosellini and the Nuke 'Em Rapture scenario,
he will have very few choices.

If it is Obama, he will have few choices.

The party is over.

Karl Marx was right, Capitalism will collapse.

What will come afterwards here is less certain, we are screwed.

VegasRage @ 9:

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 2:

Bush is asking for 700 billion for the bailout swindle.

The CBO pegs the cost of the 'war' thus far at 556 billion. Joseph Stiglitz previously has projected ultimately 3 trillion.

The two greatest swindles in the history of the world.

Knowing which is the greater of the two will take some considerable time.

Yes and where is that mooney... money going to come from? We don't have it. If there was ever a time to buy gold and silver, fill the pantry and keep that way it would be now. They are diluting the dollar like never before, this will cause massive hyperinflation and it can't be sustained.

In only a matter of days we have expanded our national debt by a trillion dollars, we have just jumped to over 10 trillion dollars.

We have 50 trillion in the pipe in entitlements, all of the baby boomers retirement is locked up in that lead brick the stock market and they must start taking payment by law in 2016. What happens when there are more sellers than buyers. The government is out of ammo folks, their is nothing left in their bag of tricks after this. All they have done is bought time, prolonged the inevitable and ensured the next crash will be worse.

VegasRage's picture

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 3:

so the collapse is the great october surprise! bush and his friends make things so risky that we have to bail out the people who will lay off thousands, if not millions of soon-to-be former middle-class americans as part of the required austerity measures imposed by the loans. Your entire financial system will now be in foreign hands or worse, the greedy, inept hands of those who precipitated this problem in the first place. You will bear the brunt of the greed of others as others have born the brunt of your own relentless greed and self-righteousness.

Say "Goodbye" to your middle class, America. The dream of Prescott Bush and Henry Ford is coming to fruition through the reign of the dim, but ambitious grandson, Bush the Lesser. Who thought someone that dumb could do that much damage?

Say "Goodbye" to your empire, you over-privileged, hateful americans. Your indignant and undignified hatred of the others on this planet and the other citizens of your own country has placed your country right in the hands of those you ridiculed, those you despised .

You let the media fuel your bigotry and hatreds, of people of color, of people of other nations, of people who don't speak english, both without and within your borders. You accepted any lie that would allow you to vent your anger on another, helpless country, IRAQ, even as you knew that they had nothing to do with 9/11. You let the media help you justify that your thirst for oil was still sufficient reason to ignore the deaths of over a million people and the destruction of the birthplace of civilization.

In the Bible it says: "As you sow, so shall you reap". Amazingly, as the Bible is used in this country, the Jew-hating Christians would have killed Christ for advocating Love, Charity and Peace.

Saddest of all is that this calamity has already led to finger-pointing. Ignorant America will NEVER learn.

I'm certain America has problems, I'm certain you have bigger problems between your ears.

Kathleen's picture

Mike do you know if other folks are having a difficult time getting into Firedoglake? They have been doing some work at their site. I have been unable to get in there for three days.

milquetoast's picture

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 25:

Karl Marx was right, Capitalism will collapse.

Capitalism is not going to collapse...

It is just moving offshore...where American laws do not apply.

VegasRage's picture

This is where our tax dollars are going now for any who are interested

Asset write downs and credit-related losses
In billions since July of 2007
$55.1 Citigroup
$51.8 Merrill Lynch
$44,2 UBS
$27.4 HSBC
$22.7 Wachovia
$21.2 BofA
$15.1 IKB Deutsche Industriebank
$14.8 Washington Mutual
$14,4 Morgan Stanley
$14.3 Royal Bank of Scotland
$14.3 JPMorgan Chase (Owns the FED BTW)
$10.6 Deutsche Bank
$10.4 Credit Swiss Group
$10.0 Wells Fargo
$09.9 Barclays
$08.2 Lehman Brothers

Source
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/paulson.wrong.message.fortune/index...

milquetoast's picture

Kathleen @ 27:

Mike do you know if other folks are having a difficult time getting into Firedoglake? They have been doing some work at their site. I have been unable to get in there for three days.

...Dont know about FDL but.........Alot of people been havin trouble here...(Me included) ...(sometimes it takes 20 minutes for my page to refresh) ...been this way for a month.

VegasRage's picture

This is where our tax bailout dollars are going for any who care

Asset write downs and credit-related losses
In billions since July of 2007
$55.1 Citigroup
$51.8 Merrill Lynch
$44,2 UBS
$27.4 HSBC
$22.7 Wachovia
$21.2 BofA
$15.1 IKB Deutsche Industriebank
$14.8 Washington Mutual
$14,4 Morgan Stanley
$14.3 Royal Bank of Scotland
$14.3 JPMorgan Chase (Owns the FED BTW)
$10.6 Deutsche Bank
$10.4 Credit Swiss Group
$10.0 Wells Fargo
$09.9 Barclays
$08.2 Lehman Brothers

Source
money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/paulson.wrong.message.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008091917

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VegasRage@26:

Bush built some KZ's. I hope you're the first one there. I really do.

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VegasRage @ 30:

This is where our tax bailout dollars are going for any who care

Asset write downs and credit-related losses
In billions since July of 2007
$55.1 Citigroup
$51.8 Merrill Lynch
$44,2 UBS
$27.4 HSBC
$22.7 Wachovia
$21.2 BofA
$15.1 IKB Deutsche Industriebank
$14.8 Washington Mutual
$14,4 Morgan Stanley
$14.3 Royal Bank of Scotland
$14.3 JPMorgan Chase (Owns the FED BTW)
$10.6 Deutsche Bank
$10.4 Credit Swiss Group
$10.0 Wells Fargo
$09.9 Barclays
$08.2 Lehman Brothers

Source
money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/paulson.wrong.message.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008091917

What about a tally list of all the CEO/Exec compensation paid to all these embezzlers in recent years? Anyone seen one?

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milquetoast @ 28:

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 25:

Karl Marx was right, Capitalism will collapse.

Capitalism is not going to collapse...

It is just moving offshore...where American laws do not apply.

True capitalism isn't the problem, this was economic socialism, the cards were always stacked to big players. As I stated above in previous post JPMorgan Chase owns the FED. The FED is a private company and it's balance sheet is always zero, it's not reserve. Some 300 of the nations wealthiest have quietly run this country pulling the presidents puppet strings.

That's why it never really mattered who got in office, all the BS about taxes or no taxes, They tax law is always written in favor of the rich, they are the ones who write it regardless of who is president.

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VietVet8666 @ 21:

Alternative scenario:

Obama wins.
House and senate go solidly Dem.
Much hpoe here and abroad.
But the clusterfuck in Iraq continues.
The economic mess continues...erosion of the middle class continues.
Unlike the current Dems, Repubs turn out to be a ferocious opposition party.
Obama is unable to drain the swamp. He spends all his time fighting alligators.
America sinks into a hostile stew politically...a really hostile stew.
Four years from now, the Repub candidate asks, "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?"
The answer is a resounding "No!"

Very similar thoughts have crept into my mind as well. There is a book about this theory, just out, can't remember name.

But, there is a slim chance that continued suffering may make the American sheeple wake up , a little.

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Steve Clemons "Washington Note" is a great website

His video archives and shows are worth the time. His website always has great reads
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/vlog/

woody, tokin librul @ 14:

Murkin racism's gonna triumph in conditions whereby it SEEMS to have been dispelled.

Murkins, especially the elites, have long chafed under the international opprobrium of USer endemic, systemic racism.

Nominating Obama relieves 'em of the taint. "Murka's not racist anymore. How could a 'racist' country nominate a black guy to lead one of the two major parties and compete for the Presidency?' they'll ask, disingenuously.

The McC(umst)ain campaign consists solely in creating and providing (deniably plausible) reasons why white voters should either NOT vote for Obama or just stay home.

If that doesn't work, there's stealing the election itself, as they've done successfully at LEAST the last two times there's been a national election. there's no reason to believe they'd abandon a successful strategy now.

Or the McBusheviks could lead the country into a war do distract from and try to partially ameliorate--through more war-based consumption--the huge costs of bailing out the rich/elites.

idiots like VegasDunce don't see it.

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 4:
I must give you credit for the fervent and effusive presentation of polysyllables, but really, General, "AZTLAN?" I can hardly stop laughing.
Help me out! there was a point in there somewhere, right?

milquetoast @ 28:

Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 25:

Karl Marx was right, Capitalism will collapse.

Capitalism is not going to collapse...

It is just moving offshore...where American laws do not apply.

yeah!

where all the countries are some form of socialist, communist, socialist-democrat or truly parliamentary.

Where 'american capitalism' meets socialized medicine, educational systems don't teach 'intelligent design' and 'the right kind of christianity' is not a pre-requisite for running for president, prime minister or whatever.

where populations are not enamored of their 'god-given' right to slay all in their path to global hegemony.

Leadership @ 5:

Call me crazy but think about this scenario...

1. American racism wins and McCain wins
2. McCain has cancer, hence his secret medical records, and announces his resignation and crawls off to die in Arizona.
3. Palin is now President. Palin, a pentecostal flat earth war mamma who could never get into office on her own, is now the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
4. She starts a war with Russia and Iran and we get nuked. Because that's how the Rapture starts.
5. China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Europe nuke the fuck out of each other.
6. One million years later an intelligent race of cockroaches starts experimenting with nuclear fission....

it will be reptiles, if they survive, or more likely, some form of aquatic mammal.

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McCain campaign terrified to send a spokesperson on the Rachel Maddow show. Rachel would eat them alive. She is so brililant and responds above the belt with her sharp intellect and facts.

Would give McPalin money to go on the Rachel Maddow show.

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Mike, great roundup. Love the spot on descriptors.

Bush "president" of FUBAR.

Kathleen's picture

HOpe the host of the Biden/McPalin debate ask Palin if she would be part of the "executive branch" if she were to be elected the V.P. Sounds like she may be following in Cheney's claw prints and would consider herself part of the "barnacle branch" (this term came up during the hearings that Addington confirmed that the V.P. was not part of the executive branch. One of the congress people asked is he part of the "barnacle branch"/

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/19/palin-executive-branch/

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ALERT

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6406
Conyers Demands 'Immediate Halt to Republican Vote Suppression Efforts'
U.S. House Judiciary Chair Announces Hearings, Requests 'Full Scale Investigation' by DoJ Into Recent Reports of GOP 'Vote Caging' Schemes...

The chairman of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Rep. John Conyers, is calling on the John McCain campaign to "immediately halt Republican vote suppression efforts," as seen recently in Michigan --- where a county GOP chair announced his intention to use home foreclosure lists to challenge voter eligibility at the polls on Election Day --- and elsewhere.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6389

Exclusive: Dept. Of Veterans Affairs Continues To Violate Law, Block Voter Registration Drives for Wounded Warriors
Despite VA Claim of Changed Policy, Vet Group Forced to File 'Emergency Motion' as Barriers Erected to Keep Non-Profit Group From Registering Vets at San Francisco Facility...

Blogged By John Gideon, VotersUnite.Org

Despite last week's agreement by the Dept. of Veteran Affairs to follow federal law --- after months of pressure from vet groups, members of Congress, and the public --- and relent to allow voter registration drives on the department's federal facilities, The BRAD BLOG has learned that the department is continuing to block non-partisan groups access to our wounded warriors in order to sign up voters. With most voter registration deadlines for the general election just one month away, the continuing stonewall, in this case by the San Francisco VA, continues to outrage.

The non-partisan Veterans for Peace organization has now been forced to file an emergency motion with the court in order to gain access. They contacted us this morning with the following statement...

Michele's picture

I don't think that Palin is pulling a Cheney here. She just needed some time to find out what "executive branch" means and "in what respect" that impacts the VP job.

Peter G's picture

If the injuries McCain sustained in Vietnam prevent him from operating a keyboard how come he is able to keep the fingers on both hands crossed behind his back?

Kathleen's picture

Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter has been demanding that the lap top that Israel and others have been claiming proves that Iran is building WMD's

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/29/10681/

Where did that laptop come from? Probaby from similar sources as the Niger Documents.

Scott Horton interviews Dr. Gareth Porter about the alleged smoking laptop
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/09/17/gareth-porter-40/

Scott Horton also brings up how The New York Times fans the flames of of unsubstantiated claims about Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program

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In regard to bailout---How much of the taxpayers money is going into the pockets of the CEO's who failed miserably?
How come the taxpayers will be picking up the tab for the insurance company who "only had 2 Billion dollars in reserve and they needed 4 Billion dollars for Hurricane Ike"?
We own a small business and the IRS sends us frequent notices that we need to pay more (I'm sure it is so they can waste more). When is it going to stop?

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Great article by Glenn Greenwald pointing out how the Republicans pushed hard for a quick decision in 2002 and are pushing hard for a quick decision on this CORPORATE bailout now. They want it quick

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/20/bailout/index.html

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Kathleen @ 52:

Great article by Glenn Greenwald pointing out how the Republicans pushed hard for a quick decision in 2002 and are pushing hard for a quick decision on this CORPORATE bailout now. They want it quick

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/20/bailout/index.html

Glenn drives home how important it is to get the money back from the people who blew it

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 40:

General Pavel Rennenkampf Xocoyotzin @ 4:
I must give you credit for the fervent and effusive presentation of polysyllables, but really, General, "AZTLAN?" I can hardly stop laughing.
Help me out! there was a point in there somewhere, right?

You said the empire is in danger. The empire has stood since 1890.

Unless the 50 states are about to revert to other management, the empire is not in danger.

Your move.

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