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Islamabad Marriott Bomb Sends A Message

By now you'll have heard about the massive blast at the Marriot Hotel in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad. Reuters, AP, the BBC and everyone else has been covering it - a massive truck bomb killing at least 60, injuring over 200 and setting the whole hotel ablaze. Expect John McCain to adopt Obama's Pakistan policy almost overnight.

The attack is only the largest of 13 bombings in Pakistan since August 12 - an average of three a week. This attack has taken Pakistani victims at a rate of ten to one over Westerners, the others purely Pakistani casualties. There's little doubt that such a massive blast, within hours of President Zardari delivering a keynote speech about supporting the US-led "war on terror" and following all those others, is designed to send a message to the Pakistani government that they should rethink their alliance. But the question is, who is sending that message?

Some analysts - including a US intelligence official who spoke to Reuters from the trials at Gitmo - are saying the attack has the hallmarks of Al Qaeda; a massive, well timed bomb in a very secure area. Others are pointing to Pakistan's Taliban movement. In matters concerning Pakistan's internal affairs the two are not identical and which was responsible might make for a difference in response - Pakistan's military apparently believes that the Taliban can be negotiated with, but not AQ.

But whoever is responsible, the suicide bomber got past multiple checkpoints and sniffer dogs in a city which is also the military headquarters of the nation. The hotel is in a high security area, being close to the national assembly, a compound for ministers' homes and the main state television building. And security had been extra-high for Zardari's speech. There are bound to be questions about possible complicity from elements within the military or ISI, given the circumstances.

On an earlier post on the blast at Newshoggers, one Pakistani commenter lamented:

I dont know what to feel. Maybe because I've become so numb. but at the end of it, like everyone else - I'd speak about it. People would have long discussions/arguments about the incident; and its going to fade away like every other attack. We are being attacked from the air by foreign forces, and from within by our very own - the loss is ours in both cases.

I was always an optimist, I always thought it would get better and one day we will overcome it. I myself believed that Pakistan could be able to get over any sort of tragedy given the kind of society we have. But now, after today - I'm feeling it's been too much, there is no going back. All we Pakistanis can do is talk about it, say 'something needs to be done', but can't get our backsides out and actually do something.

Secretly we all wish that when the next bomb goes off, its not near us. Like this one - we would talk about the next one too, if we are not blown apart. And the process will carry on until one day our dear 'ally' decides that Pakistan needs foreign military to fix the problem. I see that day nearby.

I fear he is correct. But as I've previously argued, it's the second part of Obama's Pakistan policy that really needs implemented - not the first.

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Bluestater's picture

Imagine the deaths involved had the driver made it to the main entrance?

woody, tokin librul's picture

Some conspiracies are NOT "theories."

Me, I was struck by how soon after the New Pakistani President proclaimed he would resist armed incursions into Pakistan by USers and others hunting Terrorists that the blast occurred.

It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op.

Notice nobody's claimed it yet?

I smell a Cheney...

Orangutan.'s picture

Pakistan Reports - US Marines were seen transporting metal crates inside the Marriot Hotel the day before, security personnel was not allowed to know for what purpose

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401

JimboSlice's picture

And yet no one has suggested this could be an attempt by the Bush Admin to soften up the Paki's for American military strikes inside their country? The Shock Doctrine at work in other countries, this time the Bush Admin is just paying off some Paki terrorist group and supplying them with explosives that get past the check points. I know it sounds far-fetched, but with this Administration anything is possible.

woody, tokin librul's picture

What's a 9-letter word meaning the feeling that everybody's out to get you?

Paranoica?

Nope....

Observant.

BillD's picture

I wonder what VP palin's views are on the subject...

Orangutan.'s picture

I'm surprised that building didn't collapse down into its footprint. Pakistan must have good construction abilities.

Andy K's picture

woody, tokin librul @ 2:

Some conspiracies are NOT "theories."

Me, I was struck by how soon after the New Pakistani President proclaimed he would resist armed incursions into Pakistan by USers and others hunting Terrorists that the blast occurred.

It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op.

Notice nobody's claimed it yet?

I smell a Cheney...

This might explain a few things, woody (btw, never knew where the "Paki" prefix came from until I read thisa article).

karen marie's picture

and everyone else has been covering it

granted, i don't have cable or satellite and don't watch much television news, but if i had not read about the bombings in pakistan and in yemen on the interweb, all i would know is that it's bill clinton's fault that the financial markets are crashing, the financial guys were just as surprised as the rest of us and the taxpayer is going to make a profit on the bailout.

nope, no dead people here. keep moving, folks.

Chuck's picture

Religion destroys another country.

What else is new?

CowBoy Bob in Austin's picture

This is SLIGHTLY off topic.

Minutes ago on CNN... former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, stated that the Russian military actions in Georgia were largely the responsibility and failure of the GEORGIAN PRESIDENT. When another in the panel reminded him that John McCain suggested that ..."we are all Georgians," he responded with (paraphrasing...) "Yes, I'm aware of that statement... and that candidate should speak for himself for an explaination of that statement."

That's a pretty straightforward public indication that Powell will not be jumping on John McCain's political bandwagon any time soon!

Johnny2Bad's picture

"Expect John McCain to adopt Obama’s Pakistan policy almost overnight."

Great. Then we'll have both candidates supporting a Soviet redo in the region.

Symmetry. Ain't it grand?

hello's picture

Chuck @ 10:

Religion destroys another country.

What else is new?

Fundamental religious zealots, I think you meant to say.

Christianity has more than a few of those as well in their fold, God knows..

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CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 11:

This is SLIGHTLY off topic.

Minutes ago on CNN... former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, stated that the Russian military actions in Georgia were largely the responsibility and failure of the GEORGIAN PRESIDENT. When another in the panel reminded him that John McCain suggested that ..."we are all Georgians," he responded with (paraphrasing...) "Yes, I'm aware of that statement... and that candidate should speak for himself for an explaination of that statement."

That's a pretty straightforward public indication that Powell will not be jumping on John McCain's political bandwagon any time soon!

Good info man. Thanks.

BennyP's picture

Funny how countries that waver in their role as America's Partner in the War on Terror seem to get bombed like this. Never really seems in the best interests of AQ, tho.

NoOneYouKnow's picture

Well, assuming this bombing hasn't been another Bushco false-flag attack, this means the ISI is now attacking Pakistan. Oh, what a tangled web, etc. etc.

hello's picture

BennyP @ 15:

Funny how countries that waver in their role as America's Partner in the War on Terror seem to get bombed like this. Never really seems in the best interests of AQ, tho.

Was Pakistan (under Musharraf) ever actually committed to this hypothetical war on terra though? Of course not. He's purely a Pentagon appointee, as far as I've ever been able to tell.

His job is only to keep the fires blazing, like Osama bin Laden was assigned by the CIA to do.

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BennyP @ 15:

Funny how countries that waver in their role as America's Partner in the War on Terror seem to get bombed like this. Never really seems in the best interests of AQ, tho.

You mean like the Madrid Bombings in '04 when Spain was thinking of pulling their troops out of Iraq? hmm...

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Could be a little reminder from Musharraf of who's still the boss. I don't see the advantage of a US false flag operation. In terms of "US" interests, keeping the religious lunatic fringe out of power is job #1 and destabilizing the only "friends" we've got doesn't seem very smart...

Uh oh, I keep forgetting the neocon definition of "smart" is a lot different from my definition of "smart."

Orangutan.'s picture

From The Guardian

The Pakistan connection: There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?

[Omar] Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?

Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11

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Orangutan. @ 20:

From The Guardian

The Pakistan connection: There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?

[Omar] Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?

Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11

Connect the dots. Follow the money. Put 2+2 together. What else can I say.

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"There’s little doubt that such a massive blast, within hours of President Zardari delivering a keynote speech about supporting the US-led “war on terror” and following all those others, is designed to send a message to the Pakistani government that they should rethink their alliance."

On the contrary. You are accepting official premises. Read the comments of most of the above posters, who are way ahead of you.

“[al Qaeda] has no existence as an independent concrete entity. It designates a highly developed category of Western covert operations designed to secure destabilization through the creation, multiplication, mobilization, and manipulation of disparate mujahideen groups." Nafeez Ahmed in "The Hidden History of 9-11-2001"

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Orangutan. @ 7:

I'm surprised that building didn't collapse down into its footprint. Pakistan must have good construction abilities.

LOL.

I know there is no humor in this tragedy. But yeah, we sure have gullible people.

VitriolAndAngst's picture

The Bush administration has given advanced weapons to every quasi-criminal government to try and make friends (and keep money flowing for our last export).

Via A Q Khan and their back-door policy to proliferate nuclear technology -- so that we could spend billions on their friends to defend ourselves. Pakistan is well nuked up. Even Saudi Arabia and the UAE are getting in on it.

As tenuous as the relationship with the former "leader" of Pakistan was -- why would anyone think this was a good idea? The Bush administration is either criminally stupid, or criminal. But after letting the Talaban organization flourish in Pakistan, and foisting weapons and money on a country that hates the USA -- this is inevitable. I don't know what they expect to happen -- maybe it doesn't matter, either they get some terrorists to parade in front of America in November, or they get another "war front" to make Americans afraid.

I think 8 years of this crap has kind of worn out that panic mode in America. They've played this game too long. Any false flag in the USA will be blamed on BushCo. No matter how many pundits or fake bloggers you throw at this -- everyone knows the economic mess is the fault of the Republicans -- with the exception of your ignora-scenté.

Rob M's picture

With the exception of declaring war on India, converting to Islam and making Sharia Law permanent, I don't think we will ever get the support of the Pakistani people. The people that were behind this recent bombing will still look more favorably to the Pakistani people than the US. Their disdain for westerners in general and Americans in particular trumps anything and everything and that includes this latest atrocity. I hate to be so pessimistic but recent history and the facts speak for themselves. The fact that they are a nuclear state is the only reason why we have tolerated their policies since 9/11. I firmly believe that elements of the Pakistani government know or knew the whereabouts of bin Laden and al-Zawahiri since 9/11. The front line on the War on Terror was always here and unfortunately for us, the Bush administration decided that gaining control of Iraqi oil was more important.

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Ron @ 21:

Orangutan. @ 20:

From The Guardian

The Pakistan connection: There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?

[Omar] Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?

Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11

Connect the dots. Follow the money. Put 2+2 together. What else can I say.

I linked this up top, but it's worth doing it again.

From that article:

"The very name Pakistan inscribes the nature of the problem. It is not a real country or nation but an acronym devised in the 1930s by a Muslim propagandist for partition named Chaudhary Rahmat Ali. It stands for Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, and Indus-Sind....It can be easily seen that this very name expresses expansionist tendencies and also conceals discriminatory ones. Kashmir, for example, is part of India. The Afghans are Muslim but not part of Pakistan. Most of Punjab is also in India."

"Recent accounts of murderous violence in the capital cities of two of our allies, India and Afghanistan, make it appear overwhelmingly probable that the bombs were not the work of local or homegrown "insurgents" but were orchestrated by agents of the Pakistani ISI. This is a fantastically unacceptable state of affairs, which needs to be given its right name of state-sponsored terrorism...Meanwhile, and on Pakistani soil and under the very noses of its army and the ISI, the city of Quetta and the so-called Federally Administered Tribal Areas are becoming the incubating ground of a reorganized and protected al-Qaida."

IMO, we got in it deeper than we knew in the late '70's-early '80's, and now we're repaying with usurous interest.

Barbara in BC's picture

woody, tokin librul said:
It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op
.

Totally! I am almost convinced that al Qaida and Bush/Cheney have morphed into one entity. Using logic, who benefits from random acts of violence in places like Pakistan?

Andy K's picture

Barbara in BC @ 27:

woody, tokin librul said:
It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op
.

Totally! I am almost convinced that al Qaida and Bush/Cheney have morphed into one entity. Using logic, who benefits from random acts of violence in places like Pakistan?

The ISI and the Punjabi military class.

Other than that, you get slightly cheaper cotton than you can get from anywhere else in the world, but only slightly.

WC's picture

BillD @ 6:

I wonder what VP palin's views are on the subject...

Well, she did see the movie Doc Hollywood and really enjoyed the part about the doctor reading letters to the couple who couldn't read. You know...the ones with the relative who was dating a Pakistani.

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

Bah...

the only thing stopping Pakistan from entering anarchy like Somalia is Pakistan has nukes. The state's a failed state, what are you people surprised about?

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

woody, tokin librul @ 2:

Some conspiracies are NOT "theories."

Me, I was struck by how soon after the New Pakistani President proclaimed he would resist armed incursions into Pakistan by USers and others hunting Terrorists that the blast occurred.

It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op.

Notice nobody's claimed it yet?

I smell a Cheney...

Nobody's claimed Beirut, either.

Your move.

Mr Mann's picture

Some analysts - including a US intelligence official who spoke to Reuters from the trials at Gitmo - are saying the attack has the hallmarks of Al Qaeda; a massive, well timed bomb in a very secure area.

That's asinine. So Guy Fawkes was al Qaeda? Who knew?

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

hello @ 13:

Chuck @ 10:

Religion destroys another country.

What else is new?

Fundamental religious zealots, I think you meant to say.

Christianity has more than a few of those as well in their fold, God knows..

In terms of Sunni Islam, these kooks are no more significant than the kooks in the Protestant branch of Christianity.

There's 2 billion Christians in the world. Not all are clinic bombers. There's 1 billion Muslims in the world. Not all are suicide bombers.

Some Christians are clinic bombers, some Muslims are suicide bombers. Neither is true to the faith they claim.

Your move.

Barbara in BC's picture

Andy K thinks that the truck bombing benefits "The ISI and the Punjabi military class."

My opinion? I think that this is military black ops meant to undermine Obama's campaign and boost McCain. It's one way for Bush to put Obama on the spot - how will he react to this crisis? We already know that Obama's in favour of intervention in Pakistan, so how will he jump when violence occurs? I began thinking along these lines when Obama announced that he supported the Afghanistan war and, next thing you know there were about 70 innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan by American forces. Sort of makes Obama look bad doesn't it?
That kind of wild west shooting undermines Canadian efforts to rebuild Afghanistan and gain the trust of the people.

andy's picture

Yeh, lets give McCinsane another country to bomb bomb bomb, great idea, you know what would make the region more secure ? doing the EXACT opposite of what Obama has proposed, it's the air strikes that are radicalizing pakistani's and Obama has proposed more bombings on the poor Pashtun tribes .

Wanna stop terrorism ? then wind in the empire and stop participating in it .

Joe O.'s picture

This was no random target in my opinon. Marriott is a US hotel chain and the targets inside appeared to be US military. This attack, which follows the Pakistani shooting at US helicopters as they attempted to cross the border into Pakistan are linked. The Bush Administration's pre emptive war doctrine is the biggest threat most Governments and their people see today.

andy's picture

Man it's going to suck having all the liberal site suddenly go pro war : ( well not me, you can F-OFF.

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

hello @ 17:

BennyP @ 15:

Funny how countries that waver in their role as America's Partner in the War on Terror seem to get bombed like this. Never really seems in the best interests of AQ, tho.

Was Pakistan (under Musharraf) ever actually committed to this hypothetical war on terra though? Of course not. He's purely a Pentagon appointee, as far as I've ever been able to tell.

His job is only to keep the fires blazing, like Osama bin Laden was assigned by the CIA to do.

I'm sure you'dve said the same thing about the pirates in the 19th Century, only replacing the word "CIA" with Jews.

Terrorism today was 19th Century Piracy was Sea Dogging in the 16th Century, and so on.

YBNurmal's picture

And it wasn't so long ago that the family dog was evacuated, along with 50 others, when the US embassy was attacked and burned. That was in response to allegations by Ayatollah Khomeini that the US had sponsored a terrorist takeover of the Kabba in Mecca. Funny that... the only Bush with power was angling for a Dik Cheney position and arranging a deal with the Iranians to release the "hostages" (My sympathies to the people held for those 444 days) on January 20th 1980.

The Pakistanis do love Americans, they understand when the government operates outside the scope of what the people, the ummah, the masses want. They are sympathetic to "We The People"'s plight. (Understanding punctuation can be so important!)

The year I spent in Pakistan was the best year of my life... so far.
Peace

Cui Bono?

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

Orangutan. @ 7:

I'm surprised that building didn't collapse down into its footprint. Pakistan must have good construction abilities.

The Trade Center Towers didn't collapse in the 1990s bombings, either.

Bombing =/= to PLANES IN BUILDINGS!!!!

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili's picture

JimboSlice @ 4:

And yet no one has suggested this could be an attempt by the Bush Admin to soften up the Paki's for American military strikes inside their country? The Shock Doctrine at work in other countries, this time the Bush Admin is just paying off some Paki terrorist group and supplying them with explosives that get past the check points. I know it sounds far-fetched, but with this Administration anything is possible.

Attacks Obama was for in the primaries, no less.

Cernig's picture

Malik, the Pakistani interior minister, has declined a reported offer of U.S. assistance in the investigation, saying Pakistani agencies could cope.

Same as after the Bhutto assassination (Zardari's wife).

Y'all are perhaps barking up the wrong tree with US false-flag theories. Zardari's been trying to rein in the ISI, who use the taliban and other islamist terror groups as proxies to further their own vision of Pakistani foreign and domestic policy. The Marriott is right next to his official residence.

Regards, C

Freddy Knuckles's picture

Whatever gets Americans off of the economy helps McCain. Seems to me the Cons can always count on the "terrorists" to pitch in and help out when they're in a pinch.

YBNurmal's picture

Cernig @ 42:

Malik, the Pakistani interior minister, has declined a reported offer of U.S. assistance in the investigation, saying Pakistani agencies could cope.

Same as after the Bhutto assassination (Zardari's wife).

Y'all are perhaps barking up the wrong tree with US false-flag theories. Zardari's been trying to rein in the ISI, who use the taliban and other islamist terror groups as proxies to further their own vision of Pakistani foreign and domestic policy. The Marriott is right next to his official residence.

Regards, C

A "benefactor" of assistance always operates from a position of strength if they refuse "assistance' The Pakistanis are a very proud people with traditions older than their country, older that we "in the USA" can easily understand. (Apologies to the Native Americans.) The very idea that there may be a "false flag" operation in Pakistan is for many of them more than proof that there is a "operation" against them. Our goal must be to assure them and the rest of the world that we are NOT preparing to kill them.

I don't know about you, but I much prefer hanging with people who Don't wish to KILL me. And talking those who wish to kill me out of it.

dadams's picture

i would almost bet that when Obama becomes president
that the reichwingneocon gop will do the samething here
in America. they are determined to destroy this country
and the Constitution. they are the enemy combatants
in America.

Rush to War's picture

CIA fingerprints all over it, when will other countries relize the US embassy's are were the CIA operates out of.

Krackonis's picture

Chuck @ 10:

Religion destroys another country.

What else is new?

The CIA is not a religion...

Krackonis's picture

Barbara in BC @ 27:

woody, tokin librul said:
It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op
.

Totally! I am almost convinced that al Qaida and Bush/Cheney have morphed into one entity. Using logic, who benefits from random acts of violence in places like Pakistan?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.html

That is because they started as the same Entity and have never stopped being the same entity.

Krackonis's picture

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili @ 30:

Bah...

the only thing stopping Pakistan from entering anarchy like Somalia is Pakistan has nukes. The state's a failed state, what are you people surprised about?

I'm sorry are you talking about Pakistan or the US? Pakistan has something going for it the US doesn't. Thoughtful people who are taken in by massive doses of American bred Bullshit.

rico's picture

This has CIA written all over it.

PorridgeGun's picture

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 11:

This is SLIGHTLY off topic.

Minutes ago on CNN... former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, stated that the Russian military actions in Georgia were largely the responsibility and failure of the GEORGIAN PRESIDENT. When another in the panel reminded him that John McCain suggested that ..."we are all Georgians," he responded with (paraphrasing...) "Yes, I'm aware of that statement... and that candidate should speak for himself for an explaination of that statement."

That's a pretty straightforward public indication that Powell will not be jumping on John McCain's political bandwagon any time soon!

Rockin' Good News.

I wonder when he'll endorse Obama?

JK's picture

Not as lonely
--as it was 7 years ago when insightful blog comments questioning Bush involvement were relatively rare.

Right on Woody @2; Orangutan@3; hello@13; and especially BennyP@15; phayce et.al. State terrorism should be the first suspect in any large terror attacks wherever they occur. Qui Bono? If the civilian population starts to want self determination, right-wing governments bomb the hell out of them and increase their power through the protection racket.

NoOneYouKnow@16: Quite possible, but remember, at least until quite recently that ISI = CIA proxy (created and controlled by). That may no longer be true but both are enriched and empowered by this phony “War on Terror”.

JimboSlice@ 18: Spain had a rightwing gov at the time of the '04 Madrid bombings and they first blamed it on the Basque separatists. It is pretty clear from the physical evidence that Madrid was a false-flag attack perpetrated with at least the knowledge of Spanish Intel and most likely Prime Minister José María Aznar López whose father and grandfather were Franco fascists. The Spanish people saw through the ruse and elected a more progressive government, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero.

Rob M @25: No doubt there is resentment after half a century of black Ops and death from the west, but you are off base in accepting or disseminating US right-wing talking points (“tolerate” kinda gives it away).

Expect more Terrorist attacks and more threatening international drama between now and Nov. 5. The US "dark side" and the Republican Party (as evidenced by the RNC convention and their recent ADs) are trying to terrorize the American public to tilt votes as right-wing as possible. Hopefully their tactics won't succeed in getting them to within a 20% vote margin where they can steal the rest.

Peace, JK

General Rennekampf Dzughashvili @ 31:

woody, tokin librul @ 2:

Some conspiracies are NOT "theories."

Me, I was struck by how soon after the New Pakistani President proclaimed he would resist armed incursions into Pakistan by USers and others hunting Terrorists that the blast occurred.

It stank and still stinks of a Cheney/CIA false flag op.

Notice nobody's claimed it yet?

I smell a Cheney...

Nobody's claimed Beirut, either.

Your move.

You're facile, but it's sophistry.
you propose an event which you purport confounds my proposed explanation for known events, but which is not demonstrably linked to the events to which i refer, as if the happenstance of another event somehow refutes my allegation.

Don't hold up, old chap...don't hold up 'tall...

PorridgeGun @ 50:

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 11:

This is SLIGHTLY off topic.

Minutes ago on CNN... former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, stated that the Russian military actions in Georgia were largely the responsibility and failure of the GEORGIAN PRESIDENT. When another in the panel reminded him that John McCain suggested that ..."we are all Georgians," he responded with (paraphrasing...) "Yes, I'm aware of that statement... and that candidate should speak for himself for an explaination of that statement."

That's a pretty straightforward public indication that Powell will not be jumping on John McCain's political bandwagon any time soon!

Rockin' Good News.

I wonder when he'll endorse Obama?

He will if he wants to be defense secretary...
Yeah, another second act...

JK's picture

General Rennekampf@31:

You are right (on your 31 comment only), but not in the way you intended.

Indeed, nobody has claimed the Beirut bombing. Although Hezbollah is routinely blamed by US officials and the US media, Hezbollah did not exist until two years later. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, nor are they religious extremists. They are a nationalist self-defense militia as well as a service organization that provides services (garbage, disaster relief, etc) to much of Lebanon that is not defended nor served by the Lebanese government.

It’s ironic that you should point out another false-flag attack that contradicts your implication.

Peace, JK

PS:Your baiting relative to past centuries is without merit. False-flag attacks by governments have existed since the beginning of recorded history. Your ad-hominen attack exposes the weakness of your positions.

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hello @ 13:

Chuck @ 10:

Religion destroys another country.

What else is new?

Fundamental religious zealots, I think you meant to say.

Christianity has more than a few of those as well in their fold, God knows..

I doubt the leaders of Christian, or Muslims, or Jewish radical groups do the things they do out of religious devotion or what have you. There has got to be another factor like the hunger for power.

From that perspective, religion becomes a mere mobilizer to rally up the masses and earn their support and respect. Assuming the Taliban or Al-Qaeda were behind this attack, they're not doing it out of some religious conviction, but simply to gain power. Perhaps the little sap who carried out the attack really believed he was doing something worthwhile, I don't know. But, I doubt whoever sent him was convinced their actions were somehow righteous or noble.

Just as I doubt Bush actually believes the so-called Christian values he trumpets at every opportunity. To that corrupt and immoral douchebag, religion is just a tool to cover his butt among the gullible, brainwashed evangelical masses and a way to reach the White House, for without the evangelical base, Bush wouldn't have had a chance.

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Thinking, citing, debating, pointing out logical fallacies, remembering history.... this is GREAT ! !
I *heart* you all. :)

greg's picture

Pakistan is going to have to figure out how to deal with its terrorist elements, whether it's Taliban, Al Queda, mujahedeen or whatever. Pakistan is not an ally of the United States when its border guards shoot at Americans along the border. They are having to deal with how to manage their country while dealing with its extremist elements without allowing access to American troops. It's a religious thing. They are muslims. The Americans are not. They don't want to be told how to manage their country and resent that the US has goals and an agenda that conflict with its sovereignty. As a country, Pakistan is going to have to learn to live with the violence or control it. It will have to develop a force that would be able to control and stabilize the increasingly radical religious nuts. Only they will be able to figure out how to do that. And they will have to do it on their own, without any guidance, or American taxpayer money, thank you. (Musharaf did quite nicely and was able to retire with a fortune thanks to the billions of dollars of hand outs that he got from the US, being such a reliable ally of Bush, of course.) I wish the Pakistanis good luck in their endeavor. I say let them live with being terrorized, or, they can control it. Rightfully, it should be up to them.

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I have gone through the comments on your website, it is encouraging to see that people of US share the feeling of pain being suffered by innocent Pakistani's who have nothing to do with terrorism.

The fact is that religious extremists from all over the world were assembled in to so called Jihadi organisations to fight against Soviet Union by American CIA. They were financed, trained and supported by USA.

After Soviet withdrawal, these groups gathered under Taliban and USA was negotiating a 'pipeline' project with Taliban government as a route to energy resources of Central Asia. On failure of these negotiations, Taliban became target of US strikes and rest of the picture was completed with 9/11.

Since USA and NATO troops went to Afghanistan, they hardly control 20% of the country while 80% is still under Taliban control. The neighbouring FATA and Baluchistan regions of Pakistan are part of the 'energy route' and unless destablised and controled by USA, the access to energy resources of Central Asia remains unachieveable.

Baitullah Mehsud (a former Guantanamo Bay detainee) who is head of terrorist organisation responsible for each and every suicicide attack inside Pakistan is on CIA payroll and being backed, financed and armed by USA to destablise Pakistan. GOP has several times provided the information of his exect locations to US forces but no action was taken against him.

The entire game has two objectives: to control FATA as energy route and to contain China.

Pakistan is victim of state sponsored terrorism of USA and on the other hand religious extremists are once again being used by USA to destablise Pakistan, similar to Soviet war. The US strikes inside Pakistan are an example, every time US strikes on civilians, sympathies of a tribe would shift towards Taliban, and this is going on for several years.

We have no doubt that we are subject of US 'state terrorism', but we will stand and face it and defeat it, we wont give our land to US for his 'greater oil plan' and wont submit before religious extremists and terrorists.

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JimboSlice @ 18:

BennyP @ 15:

Funny how countries that waver in their role as America's Partner in the War on Terror seem to get bombed like this. Never really seems in the best interests of AQ, tho.

You mean like the Madrid Bombings in '04 when Spain was thinking of pulling their troops out of Iraq? hmm...

...and the 7/7 bombings in London.

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Pakistani @ 58:

The fact is that religious extremists from all over the world were assembled in to so called Jihadi organisations to fight against Soviet Union by American CIA. They were financed, trained and supported by USA.

After Soviet withdrawal, these groups gathered under Taliban and USA was negotiating a 'pipeline' project with Taliban government as a route to energy resources of Central Asia. On failure of these negotiations, Taliban became target of US strikes and rest of the picture was completed with 9/11.

Sorry, but this is an oversimplified and misinformed interpretation of the origins of the Taliban. The mujahideen that were funded by the US, Saudis, and others during the Soviet war were cut loose by their US benefactors after the Soviets withdrew. The ensuing power struggles among mujahideen led to the Afghan civil war that destroyed Kabul and other parts of the country.

The Taliban rose in opposition to the corrupt mujahideen in southern Afghanistan. The original Taliban were largely of the generation orphaned and refugeed by this period of Afghan history. With the exception of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, none of the major mujahideen have ever allied themselves with the Taliban -- quite the opposite: it was the Northern Alliance, former mujahideen groups (particularly the Panjshiris loyal to Masood), who captured Kabul from the Taliban in November 2001, before US forces reached the capital. The northern mujahideen despise the Taliban with epic hatred. Their victory gained them (Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc.) access to government control, which is one root of the current instability in Afghanistan.

The failed pipeline deal is an entirely separate proposition.

Shall I continue? I recommend you read 'Taliban' by Ahmed Rashid, as a start. Or spend a while in Kabul. Or both. But don't go around farting half-cooked fantasies of US omnipotence and venality. It's boring, and it's wrong.

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Sam H @ 60:

The failed pipeline deal is an entirely separate proposition.

Shall I continue? I recommend you read 'Taliban' by Ahmed Rashid, as a start. Or spend a while in Kabul. Or both. But don't go around farting half-cooked fantasies of US omnipotence and venality. It's boring, and it's wrong.

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So, it is war to liberate Afghanistan or fing WMD's like Iraq, if this is not a war for control over energy resources of Central Asia and secure the pipleline route?

Who you are trying to fool that pipeline is a separate issue? Then how come Baitullah Mehsud (chief of Taliban movement in Pakistan) was freed from Guantanamo Bay, how he got hold of US funds and arms to start unrest in FATA region of Pakistan which is part of pipeline route? Why USA is reluctant to take any action against him and his organisation which is responsible for suicide attacks in Pakistan?

Stop fooling the world that US lead war is some 'social welfare' scheme and not for energy!

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some very meaningful comments are already recorded.
The US policy appears to be causing greatest alienation in this area, Afghanistan is broke due to emergence of Taliban again as the real force. Karzai remains confined to Kabul while his allied-warlords stumble through for the time being. While Taliban control South/ East Afghanisatn, generally, they are making feverish progress in West too. The people are obliged to side with the Talibam because of the prevailing insecurity the corrupt regime in Kabul can't offer much to their countrymen.
Pakistan, of late, is being targeted. The lameduck Administration is sending out highly confusing signals which is destroying US' goodwill in a big way. Most Pakistanis in Pakistan including FATA are not pro-Taliban etc but if the present trend continues, Vietnam may look like a picnic for the US. People in US must wake up to the dangers inherent in the moves of their incumbents to ensure that everything does not change to the disadvantage of the next Administartion.

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American Marines and CIA arrive a few days before with crates which are not inspected at the Marriot. Hotel chain is involved since the Hotel was looking to get rid of the old building, let CIA burn it and collect insurance and will build a new one. Just like 911 towers. Where Goldsteine collected double the insurance.

Marines install material on hotel ceiling and air conditioning units, the resulting blast blows plaster and cement as the ducts explode in all the rooms. After the installation the marines are shot by the CIA operatives. DEAD men tell no tales. After the disaster armed CIA men come in to check if the bodies of the marines have completely burned. Charred bodies no post mortem.

The truck bomb was a fake it did not do squat.

However a second bomb was planted deep in the parking lot, where road construction was going on a few days ago. That bomb uprooted trees and spilled out mud for the area to like a war zone, and a crater developed

A Danish intelligence agent was also killed Hmmm.
A Check diplomat was killed Hmmmm

The local hotel owner admitted that guards were not properly trained and there was four minutes between the blast and when the fake truck started burning. Enough time to evacuate the hotel. The Nazis did not inform their guests. The hotel chief admitted that the staff were poorly trained. There should be law suite filed against this dude he is all game {sick guy).

The local fire brigade was very poorly trained and no ladders were set up to pull people out of their rooms, elevator shafts and stairways were blocked. So were hallways to cause maximum casualty. People standing in windows were not rescued there were no tarps erected so people could jump out of windows. No one tried to save them. The whole dam fire rescue officers should be fired. (SKUNKS)

ISI & Rotary press release

TakeOurCountryBack's picture

Anybody else notice that a very large building completely on fire from the ground floor did not collapse into itself?.......................Hmmmmmm

clytemnestra's picture

Why was the Marriot considered the "safest"???? It had been targetted for bombing often and when I was there last month it was one place we didn't tarry long but passed quickly.

I didn't even get any photos of it. It was deavily guarded but still, everyone, or at least my hosts, knew it would be targeted again.

Fredric L. Rice's picture

I bet the Christofascist Bush regime did it. That's typical of this Christian terrorism regime.

Quite's picture

greg @ 58:

Pakistan is not an ally of the United States when its border guards shoot at Americans along the border.

The U.S. has better allies than Pakistan

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