Krugman nails the McCain's camp use of deception and the 'balanced' news problem
Paul Krugman on the media:
"Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff?" This stuff being deception. "Well, they're probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being 'balanced' at all costs. If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn't say that he's wrong, it reports that 'some Democrats say' that he's wrong. Or a grotesque line from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty."
They're probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being "McCain campaign lies," it becomes "Obama on defensive in face of attacks."
Need I say more?



That is exactly right.
The media cannot distinguish between objectivity and neutrality.
If the Cubs beat the Dodgers 3-0, even a non-neutral dodger fan must concede the objective fact that his team lost. But today's media would have one talking head offer the "opinion" that the Cubs won "debate" another talking head who claims that the Dodgers won.
Some things are empirically and demonstrably true or false. It was once a reporter's job to say so. Now, "balance" demands otherwise. It is not just shameful; it is dangerous.
Holy crap. Palin's getting reamed by Shepard Smith on Pox at 3:20PM EDT for never holding a press conference and 10 superficial photo ops in two days with some world leaders. He cuts off the Dem who's trying to make a point, of course.
Most of us at C&L have been saying this for a long time. There is no sense of fair and balanced, as there is no far left media. I would say that it is a far right media or no media at all. It is the dumbing down of America.
Breaking....Sen. Dodd tells Bernanke after long hearing today that the bailout being proposed is "unacceptable". Bernanke warns of deep recession.
I suppose, even though the Democrats are knee deep in this doodoo (not voodoo, but close), that they want to play this through the election to make Bush, McCain and the entire Republican administration basically take the fall for our economic quagmire.
Incredibly, with Diebold and in spite of the intense danger to the planet with a Palin/McCain administration, the Democrats may still lose this.
Why do I have this slow, sinking feeling right now about our collective futures???
A Republican friend of mine pointed out to me that around the time Olbermann and Tweetied were axed from election coverage BP begin big time adverstising on MSNBC. Coincidence?
I think The wheels are coming off the 'Straight Talk Express'. MSM is biting back a bit. Palin's arrogance, McCain's lack of candor is evident for all to see. The fact that a reporter even dared to get him to answer a question must have hit a nerve. After years of fawning press coverage, MSM is starting to ask tough questions. It's about time.
Looks at thought the traditional media may finally have had enough http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Abbybwood @ 4:
The Republicans will spin this that the elitist Democrats are too weak to take the required stand for the good of the nation. I can hear it now. Ahhh!
The Corporate Press in action!! How to keep up appearances, while assuring the electorate remains ignorant.
Nope you need not say more because Krugman nailed it.
Shep Smith is the closest thing fox has to a fair and balanced reporter. He just did a segment on this god awful bailout mess, which by the way, may finally be the "uniter" of both parties due to the unease about it shown by both parties today.
Then he did a critical report on Palin hiding from reporters today and well, every day since she was tapped for the ticket. He had two women on, one representing the republican side and the other representing the democratic side.
When the repub. woman started trying to explain why it was normal to hide the veep nominee from the press, Shep called her on it. Then the repub woman said that Obama has three hundred foreign affairs advisers talking to him every day telling him what was happening, what questions he might be asked, and suggesting what answers he might give. Shep fired back, couldn't Palin do the same thing and get advice each day so she would be prepared. The repub woman was caught off guard by this and fumbled her answer.
mccain shouldnt worry
if biden keeps opening his mouth, the press will have tons to rip the obama campaign on
Bush is holding back a report how dire the war is in Afghanistan until the election is over. Should we be suprised?
Abbybwood @ 4:
dodd is right
the bailout is trickle down on roids....and its guaranteed to fail
CMINCA @ 8:
there are 'real' conservatives that will not like this
bailout....rescue whatever. i hope they get some air
time. something smells in denmark i mean d.c. why
the rush....so the market(DOW) can go nuts after the bailout is announced. the only indicator the public knows....so the republicans can saysee everything is ok......fxxk.
lol, I posted something similar to this on DKos 2 days ago. It's a severe problem now. The Toronto Star wrote about this same phenomenon.
It's a cop-out of embarrassing proportions on their camp. Obama's interview with O'Reilly is going to come in handy, and I would love to see an ad showing this contrast.
i listen to XM left all day long...
yesterday, on a POTUS 08 break, the announcer said "both sides went negative today" and then played a line or two from each ad - mcBLAME lied and OBAMA spoke the truth about mcCON's lies...
go figure...
It just burns my ass nite after nite to see some talking head interview McCain or one of his lackies and not call bullshit on their lies. It's one thing to be "fair and balanced" but quite another to accept a known lie for an answer. Or, what is just as bad is for the newsperson to ask a question and accept an answer that does not even address the question.
The majority of the dopes who are blindly following this mean, dumb old man down the wrong way on the expressway don't use computers either....the rest would vote Charlie Manson for President before they'd vote for a n****r.
Abbybwood @ 4:
This bailout is the neocon parting gift to the American people.
The hell with the bailout.
All we have to do is hold on for three months. The Chimp will be out. McCain will be a distant memory. The Senate and House will be ours.
THEN we can fix this mess, just like we did the last time.
CMINCA @ 8:
Fortunately, the Republicans have to sell the fact that they are giving the bail-out institutions the freedom to reward themselves with golden parachutes and massive bonuses. The Republicans have to be careful... the American public doesn't trust them.
It runs deeper than "media of being ‘balanced’ at all costs'. It goes to deadlines, overhead costs, poor editing, corporate slant and reporter lack of knowledge on the subject or laziness. Remember the Corporate Media (CM) fed and helped produce facts that took us to invade Iraq. For at least 12 years years CM failed to fully investigate the effect of high credit card rates or bankruptcy laws on citizens, or the impact of laissez faire attitude inside the beltway on Corporations and Wall Street. We are now about to be billed for the benign neglect of Congress and CM.
Shep Smith was ripping the bailout all to hell. If you could get a clip of his rant it would be worth posting.
... lets say the 'bailout' did work, you think GDubya wouldn't take all the credit for his bold stance on pushing 'those in Warshington' to act decisively for once?
GDub cant lose ...
--- if congress holds back he says:
"See!? ...bunch of do nothings up thar...the economy is wrecked and its all their fault"
---If they cave ... he bent them to his will...
While McCain fights NYT and hides Palin from the MSM
There are bigger stories coming out..........
A Lobbyist leading McCain's tranistion team has been lobbying for Freddie
John McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, made millions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Sarah Palin and John McCain have been railing about those companies out on the campaign trail. You'd think McCain would fire Davis.
There's more.
William Timmons, who is leading John McCain transition efforts (which will hopefully never come to be), is a "prominent Washington lobbyist" according to Time Magazine. That's bad enough. It gets worse in light of McCain's feigned outrage at Fannie and Freddie. McCain's transition leader had been lobbying for Freddie Mac "through this month" -- until Freddie had to stop lobbying :
This is just another example of McCain's blatant hypocrisy. McCain has been making stuff up about Obama's ties to Freddie and Fannie. Meanwhile, McCain's top guys have hauled in tons of dough from them.
This happens in the Canadian media as well. You'll have two politicians citing their opinions on a particular bill and it's history, and there will be no fact check, or summary of the actual reporting at the time.
watch the linguistic framing of using 'rescue' plan
vs. 'bailout'......wow.. who are these people that they
group test these words on?
Chicago Sun-Times: Man held for approaching Obama home with gun
It seems the media is more fearful of making someone angry than they are dedicated to reporting the news. But maybe things are changing. McCain threw a hissy fit and threatened not to go on Larry King. Apparently CNN said fine, don't come. Now today Palin shuts the door on the press and the press reports what she did instead of covering for her.
Now Faux News shills are bitching about the bail-out? But Georgie wants it! Are they going to question King George? I guess Hell did freeze over.
Bushie @ 21:
I agree - real reporting is not formula based. But to practice it, the journalists have to be from the world that they are reporting - which basically means be knowledgeable
earl @ 23:
By the time we know the total outcome of this bailout, bush will be long gone.
PorridgeGun @ 27:
NO doubt a rush L. listener
Liberal AND Proud @ 19:
Right on!!!
All of OUR fucking money protecting the Goddamn crooks securing their fucking futures with NO guarantee that this emergency welfare for the gluttonously super rich/stupid will even succeed. FUCK EM!!!
Abbybwood @ 4:
It may be a bit better than mine, which is a hurtling, crashing, screaming, dropped-off-a-cliff feeling.
That is why they are so desperate.
If the economy tanks...they will lose ALL their majorities, and they know it.
I say...let it TANK. If some millionaires go bust...oh well....it was obviously their fault for not being intelligent...they will just have to pull themselves up by their boot straps.
From the Krugman article:
The McCain campaign will of course seize upon this as a takeaway and talking point following this article.
Exclusive: maliki suggests that BUSH pushed to extend
U.S. presence in Iraq to help mccain....people wonder
why obama doesn't have a bid lead....BUSH is making
this as difficult as he can.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/23/maliki-bush-mccain-iraq/
Daley Fires back
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, cast as the leader of a "corrupt" machine in a McCain campaign spot yesterday, isn't pleased:
constituent @ 37:
The absolute only thing McCain has going for him is the word "war". He can milk the POW word, the terrorist word, the war word but when it comes to anything else, he comes up empty.
P.D. @ 29:
Conservative heads exploding in....5...4...3...
Yeah...this is all gonna fall apart very quickly. I can feel it.
"It remains to be seen" journalism has become the hallmark of modern American journalism. Time magazine lead the pack. If you look at old copies of this magazine you can see the contrast. When they became advertising dependent the risk associated with actually holding or defending an opinion became unacceptable. Of course, it could also have a lot to do with Journalism becoming the safety program for those who found other college programs too demanding.
So...has Chimpy scheduled time to come on tv tonite to frighten the nation again?
Cobsjo @ 24:
mccain is exagerating obama's ties...but they are there
just as the dems were asleep at the wheel during the past 10 years, when they shouldve been screaming to the heavens that there is a problem
a few did scream...but people didnt want to listen
"Krugman nails the McCain’s camp use of deception"
McCain has been accused of plenty of things, but I've never heard him called 'camp' before...
amen.
That Op-Ed is from September 11th. Krugman is normally fairly smart. I don't know why he'd want to publish that particular column on a day when he knew it would be drowned out by the sheer volume of other stuff that was going on.
Never fear.... I think.
In other words, McCain is counting on the press to carry their water for them as they have done for the Bush junta for the last eight year. In other words, McCain is counting on the press to serve as a weapon to be deployed against the Democrats, as they allowed themselves to be during Clinton's eight years. In other words, McCain is counting on them to be cheerleaders for the GOP as they were during Bush senior and Reagan's years in office.
In other words, McCain is counting on the press to prostitute itself as propagandists for the GOP, a reliance that the press itself has taught them is a safe bet over the last 30 years. McCain is expecting the press tobe equal partners in his and the GOP's pervasive deceptions. The problem for McCain is, that the lies, deceptions, disinformation and mainipulations have become so audacious, that the press can no longer go along with it and still maintain their pretense that they are in fact journalists (except for complete whores like FOX and NPR, who will battle on regardless the cues they receive from the real world).
I do hope that McCain feels cheated.
Paul @ 49:
Well, he is 72 years old. Holding your own water becomes difficult at that age.
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John, I couldn't agree more:
By: John Amato on Tuesday, September 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 PM - PDT
Paul Krugman on the media:
“Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff?” This stuff being deception. “Well, they’re probably counting on the common practice in the news media of being ‘balanced’ at all costs. If a politician says that black is white, the news report doesn’t say that he’s wrong, it reports that ’some Democrats say’ that he’s wrong. Or a grotesque line from one side is paired with a trivial misstatement from the other, conveying the impression that both sides are equally dirty.”
They’re probably also counting on the prevalence of horse-race reporting, so that instead of the story being “McCain campaign lies,” it becomes “Obama on defensive in face of attacks.”
Need I say more?
This needs to be repeated now and often!
It reminds me of the old joke/observation of the Russian newspaper account of a horse race in which the American horse beats the Russian horse and the headline reads "Russian Horse Finishes Second, American Horse Finishes Next to Last!"
The media aids and abets, to keep it even and to keep us watching.
wooggler @ 51:
Chicken!!!!! Delete anything you don't agree with, thats America! [No. This is a private blog, not America. With rules you choose not to follow. Right wingers feeling entitled to do whatever, wherever, regardless of rules -- that's America -- The America creeps like you have helped foment and foster-Sitemonitor]
P.D. @ 29:
There is no honor among thieves...
Even hard core GOPhiles are looking at their 401Ks vanish as we speak...
That is something that no matter what he does, McCain and Palin can't dance their way out of.
I am of the opinion that the GOP knew they were toast this election, and let this old fool take the fall. McCain is too stupid to figure out he's been played, just like Rove et al did in the 2000 primaries.
And I also think that the newfound "spine" by the media is due to the fact, that for the first time the news elite are actually hurting in their pocket. Money talks, and McCain couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag, and most people in the media know that their life saving will dissapear if he gets elected.
When Bush said that his base is the "haves and haves more" he wasn't kidding. Unless you are making a minimum of tens of millions of dollars, the current bailout not only does not do anything to help you... but it actually affects you negatively.
Liberal AND Proud @ 50:
Hey, show some respect... for five and a half years, McCain couldn't carry water!
Hey, Krugman, welcome to what the blogosphere and its audience have been screaming about for years. Way to catch up.
Karen @ 1:
This seems to be a hypothetical situation regarding a potentially forthcoming playoff match-up. As a long-suffering Cubs fan, I would excuse the media in this case; I'd probably be half-convinced that the Cubs didn't win as well.
Thanks for bringing attention to this, John. This is an un-sensational (i.e. 58 comments) but extremely important point. The Bush Admin have been playing this game very well (yes, there are a few that things they're actually good at) for years now, virtually unopposed.
Please continue bringing this "fair and balanced" loophole into the spotlight.
Karen @ 1:
Well put. This is the sole reason McCain is in it right now.
A pundit who claims there's a Santa Claus shouldn't be given air time. Yet the media will allow pundits who are selling ridiculous falsehoods in the name of being "balanced." There aren't two sides to the truth.
Clearly, there's a difference between allowing free speech and allowing unchecked deception. It's journalism's job to inform and educate the public, not to give us two sides to every story at any cost.
p.s. this is also why Americans are pretty much alone in the Western world in denying the scientific consensus on many things, including global warming and evolution.
The Reslug owned media refuses to tell the truth about the incompetent McBush and his inexperienced sidekick are just dishonest liars and nothing but.
this kind of crap would not be possible without the talk radio monopoly that enables the double standard. the often absurd talking points that seem to come from some alternate reality may have been prechewed by limbaugh and hannity and others earlier in the day or week and pounded into the ear holes of 60MIL. they have also been pounding for years the fallacy of the liberal media to force this idiocy, and often can focus immediate and massive dittohead outrage toward media people and management who would dare to discuss that that the world was round without a counterpoint.
Freezerburn @ 57:
Ha! As a fellow Cubs fan, I would have to agree! :)
“Why do the McCain people think they can get away with this stuff?”
Is it not obvious by now that the McCain campaign has deliberately "created its own reality" so as to neutralize obvious political liabilities? Take, for example, Sarah Palin's lie that she was against the Bridge to Nowhere when, in fact, her support of it was a major pillar of her campaign for governor. What else could explain a lie so obvious as would no doubt make even O.J. Simpson blush? Well, it has certainly exceeded brilliantly, hasn't it? Ever notice how little attention has been paid to the singular fact that she supported a project that was widely regarded as the poster child of pork? Instead, the focus has been on almost entirely on the issue of her veracity -- a subject that has become all but lost in the tumult of he-said-she-said journalism.
I worked as a desk editor for United Press International for five years, so I know what it's like to work under the pressure of a deadline. But the sad fact is that our news media today is a ghost of its former self.
It's not balanced at all costs, it's the perception of balance but in reality portraying policy that benefits a tiny minority of Americans as being urgent and necessary.
Speaking of pundits and sense of balance. Here is another analogy: Water is H20, two parts hydrogen one part oxygen. For the right wing there has got to be a pundit somewhere that can argue water is actually H10. Why the MSM and cable talkers have to have someone argue this is just nonsense and insane......truth is truth and the world is round.
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