Shouldn't Carly Fiorina give back her 42 million?
By John Amato Tuesday Sep 23, 2008 2:20pm
McCain's hypocrisy knows no limits.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain has been on a tear of late about the exorbitant buyout packages that dismissed executives take from their companies. He has proclaimed that former Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs (and Obama supporters) Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines should "give back" the $21 million and $25 million severance packages they received.
So wouldn't it seem logical that former Hewlett-Packard executive (and McCain supporter) Carly Fiorina should send back her $42-million golden parachute? Apparently not. But what about Fiorina? "I believe that Carly Fiorina is a role model to millions of young Americans," McCain said.
"She started out as a part-time secretary and she ended up a CEO of one of the major corporations in America. I'm proud of her record and so I want everybody to know that Carly Fiorina is a person that I admire and respect."
On the TODAY Show he tried to peddle this garbage to Meredith who didn't buy it.
Viera: You have said, bottom line, it’s those fat cats. It’s the greed of Wall Street. You promised to crack down on CEOs who walked away with huge severance packages. And yet the person who up until recently was your public face on your economic policy was Carly Fiorina. She’s the former CEO of Hewlett Packard, she was fired in 2005, but she left with a $45 million dollar golden parachute while 20,000 of her employees were laid off. She is an example of exactly the kind of person you say is at the root of the problem. How can you say that?
McCain: I don’t think so. … Because I think she did a good job as CEO in many respects. I don’t know the details of her compensation package. But she’s one of many advisers that I have.
Viera: But she did get a $45 million dollar golden parachute after being fired while 20,000 of her employees were laid off.
McCain: I have many of the people, but I do not know the details of what happened.
Sure, he doesn't know all the details about Carly while letting her speak for his campaign almost daily. Right, and I got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
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First!
MCCAIN SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN TO FOCUS ON ECONOMY; WANTS DEBATE DELAY
McCain just said he wants to suspend the Campaign? WTF?????
Yes, but she won't. She's not that altruistic.
McCain ... "Because I think she did a good job as CEO in many respects."
Question ... "please elaborate. In which respects did she do a good job? A job worthy of a 45 million dollar golden parachute?"
Ouch. He really got caught on this one. This is just one of the many reasons why Gramps just "suspended" his campaign.
Hell Yeah, she should give it back. In fact she should be in jail. Giving her millions while laying off thousands IS criminal.
Why, why, why didn't Viera simply say 'So, you feel Carly Fiorina was deserving of the $45 million severance?'.
'And, Mr. McCain, speaking of compensation, how do you feel about public officials receiving excessive severance in the form of receiving deferred compensation from companies that stand to profit mightily from doing business with the government?'
Post American @ 2:
I guess he can't juggle campaigning, showing to Congress, and napping.
What a puss! The McCain campaign is running away!
Big doings by McCain. He's running scared because of the polls. He's put out a call to action to Congress. Trying to be Presidential.
Sounds like a set up to me.
If you asked the average American voter about "Carly Fiorina" the most likely response might be a question: "Is that a new pasta sauce?" These distractions are starting to get distracting.
i'm starting to wonder if he is actually lying or if he really is just that clueless about everything going on around him. i think it's time to take back the argument about his age and his competence because he's seriously looking like he's just out of it.
BTW, this McCain campaign "suspension" wasn't a last minute decision. There are already Republican cohorts on tv calling for Obama to "join" him. This is a coordinated attempt to force Dems to capitulate to Bush, just like the Iraq war vote (only worse!). Hopefully, the Dems won't give in and it will be exposed for the stunt that it is.
John
I get what you're saying but there are some areas where this argument is dis-parallel. Let me first say that I completely agree that this economic "slide" is entireley the fault of not enough regulation, and a weak and unpopular govenrment, but the parallel you are drawing is not the same. HP was not bailed out by the government.
fuck those assholes. for obama it should be full speed ahead.
McLame " I have many of those people..."
well that answer clears it up nicely John. Now, what the hell are you talking about?
Man, these Republicans are just amazing! They will try anything to get what they want. This whole "suspension" is a Rovian setup to either 1] get Obama sucked in in which case he'll look like he's following McCain's lead or 2] not get Obama sucked in in which case they can call him obstructionist. It's effin brilliant.
Again with the distractions....as long as we're talking about the likes of Fiorina, the American mind drifts back to guns, God and gays.
StirFry @ 9:
McCain and Obama are not even senators anymore. Since they've been the presidential candidates, their old duties have all but gone away. There's nothing McCain can do. If anything, he should come out and say he's going to go through with the debate as to not get in the way of Congress.
SARAH PALIN LOVER REVEALED!
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/this-one-is-for-john-edwards-and-jona...
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquirer_world_exclusive_sarah_...
Look for a health related announcement next from the Palin campaign. He will have to delay his lunch due to all ready getting it via IV. Then look for an extraterrestrial intervention, he will have to cancel all appearances to meet with gadwhaddatool 14, "just outside the solar system" so he can't be there to vote or campaign.
Is there any doubt that the wheels are broken? Note that there are no tires attached.
e.c. @ 12:
It's a week or more when nobody can ask him questions. A stroke of genius by his campaign, cutting the debates by one, and trying to get Obama to look like a follower by agreeing to his plan.
Maybe he needs some time for radiation treatments on that little brain tumor that spread from the melanomas. Maybe Cindy's going to give him his favorite hot oil massage with the happy ending.
My favrite song when I was six sounds like the kinda song these people who can't count should adopt as a theme song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCUopuxsxU
McCain: I have many of the people, but I do not know the details of what happened.
Note the verbal blunder -- specifically the irrelevant first clause, which is probably due to substituting words. The disease is called primary progressive aphasia. It ultimately progresses to severe dementia.
McCain: I have many of the people, but I do not know the details of what happened.
WTF does that mean?? Is he speaking in tongues again...?
In addition to #23, I can't even think of what he was trying to say by: "I have many of the people, [...]"
McCain / Palin version of the Statue of Liberty inscription:
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming froth.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I'll lift my lamp and finish them off.
the 'deregulator' does NOT care about 'golden parachutes'.
this is all about the 'maverick' marketing public deception
strategy.
Tell People What They Want to Hear.....mccain's
campaign is stacked with high income lobbyists
think about his party's philosophy. this is Pandering 101
I'm getting pissed! McCain is using the crisis so he can't face the debate. He's using this as a talking point, using fear to scare the voters. Damn it!
It's the Financial Mushroom Cloud!!!
Run For Your Lives!!!!
There is a vote at the PBS website asking if Palin is "qualified" to be VP. Please register your view as she is leading with the "yeas". Fox mentioned the poll so that is probably why it is skewed.
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
"The squirming facts exceed the squamous mind." -Wallace Stevens
Time for a IOKIYAR tag?
Smitty187 @ 30:
let me know if there's a poll asking if she has the appropriate experience...i haven't seen one yet
Smitty187 @ 30:
Here's a real poll
From NBC's Mark Murray
The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll will be released at 6:30 pm ET,
but here's an early look at one set of numbers:
Forty-nine percent say that Palin is unqualified to be president if the need
arises, compared with 40 percent who say she's qualified.
By contrast, 64 percent believe Biden is qualified to be president, versus
just 21 percent who disagree.
I don't believe McCain will get away with this stunt. This is Obama's chance to close the deal today with the American people. It all depends on his statement. This is his best opportunity ever to call this guy out as the fraud he actually is. Do it eloquently and politely, but DO IT!
HE IS SKIPPING OUT ON THE DEBATE FRIDAY!!!!
No kidding!!!!
Leadership @ 36:
Taking a mental health day?
That's what I do when I can't take it anymore.
theWalrus @ 13:
I hope to hell that Obama says NO frickin' way to this... it's looking to me like the beginning of suspending the elections... and there's no effin' way I wanna see that happen.
36 Leadership Says: HE IS SKIPPING OUT ON THE DEBATE FRIDAY!!!!
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Won't that be hard on his trick knee?
I persinally find Fiorina abrasive. But I must have missed the memo. When did my tax dollars bail out HP?
I am never surprised by the stupid, uninformed comments on this website
The fact that Obama reached out at 8:30 AM to McCain for a joint statement of principles on the bail out, and didn't hear back until 2:30 with the McCain decision to suspend the campaign, shows who is the leader among the two. McCain is not going to get away with it this time.
right on! @ 38:
Not only should Obama say no, but he should pledge to be there explaining his plans to the American people even if McCain doesn't bother to show up.
The Democrats in Congress should make sure that they're not actually holding hearings during the scheduled debate time, so that McCain can't hide. And they should say it's important to hear what the next president is going to do about this, since whoever he is, he'll be in charge in just a few months.
This actually should be a golden opportunity for Obama if he plays it right. "Yeah, John, I'll be in Congress voting on this issue. Just like I've been there a lot over the course of this campaign. Unlike you. And also unlike you, I'm not afraid of standing for just a couple hours one night to answer the American people's questions. It's the fact that this crisis is so important that makes this next debate so important, since one of us will be in charge of the economy in a few months. So, I'll still be there at the debate too. Whether you are or not."
theWalrus @ 13:
Exactly. One way to look at the Republican strategies and policies is to view what they do from the perspective of Naomi Klein's "Shock capitalism". Quick interventions before the slow-witted teeming unwashed can see what's happening. In Mussolinian terms. keep the message "electric" so passion not reason prevails. Machiavelli would have got a hard-on to hear this stuff. Same strategy was used for the Patriot Act. Fear and the pressure on the electorate to make a quick -- read "Fascist friendly" - decision. Obama should not play into their hands.
This guy is a liar though and through. His only claim to fame is that he was a POW and he doesn't want all the facts about his time as a POW released. Throughout mccains life he hasn't shown any indications of honesty or integrity, just a constant self-serving whining. If there's anything honorable about mccain it's so far buried in him, it'll never see the light of day.
Absolutely shameless.
Texas Mike @ 40:
Which ones, mickey?
McSame and Gonzalez both got their brains at the closeout sale at Walmart.
Both defective. DON'T WORK.
When will people wake up?
Neo-classical secular humanist @ 43:
Shock Doctrine explains what has gone on an what will go on.
Could this possibly be the rove playbook? heh heh
Obama should not fall into their trap.
Actually, she ended up FIRED FOR INCOMPETENCE. McCain lies, lies, and lies some more.
After that, she went to work shilling for a truly horrible republican presidential candidate.
Jason @ 25:
people= ceo's, lobbyists, and various other insiders.
Hey McSame you sure looked stupid when asked about
Carley Fiorina's golden parachute!!! You didn't know her back
round but you should have. Seems like a your mojo, because
you knew little about Sarah Failing when you chose her to
run as your VP
Better yet, Why not have Palin give back the $200+ million Alaska got for the Bridge to Nowhere? She has been going around the country saying that she said "No Thanks" to the feds on the Bridge, but she took the money anyway and spent it on other things. Have her put her money where her mouth is: Biden or Obama should ask for it back.
maleman @ 47:
Like most of the comments and commenters here....yet again you are wrong.
Obama just announced that he is "upset" that McCain jumped the gun with the campaign suspension game, that "...it was my idea 1st...".
Yup - Obama sure got fooled by that old fart McPOW.
Do you really want a President who can be so easily 'trapped in such an obvious political ploy' .......by someone who has to take a nap to get thru the day?
John McCain
As a Vietnam veteran, I used honor your service. Since then you have become a
LYING
SACK
OF
SHIT.
Telling the truth is honorable. Part of your creed as a military man was honor. Since you have now forsaken all honor, I now refuse to respect you for your service. I saw better men than you bleeding in the Mekong Delta. One of them was a fellow Navy man who holds the Purple Heart by the name of John Kerry, who your Republican friends dissed in 2004 with their purple band-aids.
eric @ 19:
Just what America needs right now is a juicy sex scandal to take our minds off of our troubles.
GOD BLESS THE SOUND BIT!!! Instead of the interviewr asking 6 questions, I love it when they ask 100 quickies. Their answers forver on record to come back to haunt them. Rapid fired, scattered questions. Keep the interviewee off balance as to what is coming next and in time, they']ll never be able to continue hiding the truth.
Treat an interview like the old "wonderlic" apptitude test, where about 20 questions are asked in about 6 different ways in complete disorder.
I hate long drawn out questions that come with the typical "hannity" preamble attached to the question so the interviewee can prepare his/her answer,
What does Carly's performance at HP have anything to do with the current financial meltdown. I object to outlandish bonuses paid to Wall Street chiefs who steered their companies into oblivion, but HP is very distant from Wall Street. It turned out her buy of Compaq was the right call no less.
theWalrus @ 17:
It could also be a sneaky way of suspending the elections for the duration, civll emergency etc.
FDR managed to fight and win WW2 and get reelected.
Michaeledward @ 5:
Meredith missed a golden opportunity -- she should have asked him, "Well, you say she did a good job, and you don't know the details of her compensation. Isn't that argument applicable to all of the other CEO's you're criticizing? Can you provide any specifics regarding the job performance and compensation for those CEOs?"
joeedugan @ 52:
Isnt taking money for a stated purpose and then spending it on other things, criminal fraud !?
Good one, John. These fuckers' memories are so convenient I wanna get a pack of cigarettes and a six-pack from their left and right parietal lobes, respectively.
Assuming (1) that the American people have not been hypnotized by "Reality TV" in their Barco-Loungers, (2) that there is no "October Surprise" that includes declaration of martial law, and (3) that the votes actually get counted correctly this election, I would say that there is a "middlin'" chance that the Tax Man will be coming after all the war profiteers before they all disappear to Paraguay or Monte Negro or Georgia.
Carly Fiorina and all the rest of the ex-CEOs, Members of Boards, and the Wall Street "Wild Bunch" may have (mostly) gotten away with their pilfering of shareholder value, but that is no reason to let future NeoCon neo-rich get away with it. And why should the USA taxpayers reward the offspring and relatives of these crooks off the hook regarding Inheritance Taxes? Folks, it is time to rescind forevermore the tax breaks afforded the rich (even if it only includes those that McSame defines as "better than Middle Class".
How much of your soul do you lose when you evade a question by saying "I do not know the details of what happened."
Texas Mike @ 41:
And I'm never surprised by the clueless dipshit trolls who completely miss the fuckin' point.
McCain: I have many of the people, but I do not know the details of what happened.
My FIRST question would have been, what the hell do you mean I have many people?? McCain's head would have exploded!
mr. grampy mcshitstain never answered the question...AS USUAL. what a fuckin disgrace this piece of dog shit is. he will forever be remembered as a spineless LIAR
I can just imagine what Carly did over the years to get to be CEO.
Seriously, grow up. You're using Rush Limbaugh logic here. Carly's parachute is between her and the stockholders of HP. If HP had been bailed out by the government then you would have an analogy with Fannie and Freddie. Dems are supposed to value logic and rational thought. This post spits in the face of that ideal.
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