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Senator McCain - where is your lapel pin at?
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On foreign policy at least, I see virtually no difference between the candidates.
FIRST
If lapel pins are the issue, Obama wins.
Other than that...
McCommie's not wearing his American Flag lapel pin! But, we already this country was an after thought for McSham.
I'm glad I only watched the last 40 minutes of this nonsense. I wanted to wipe the smirk off McSames face. What a disrespectful fuck head.
Bwahahahahahaha.....what?? no flag pin??? on your uniform???? You're worthless and weak!
McCain isn't wearing the pin almost to say, Look I don't have to prove my patriotism, the way this punk does.
"Senator McCain - where is your lapel pin at?"
Ow! My Eye!
I've never heard so many lies from McSame. He kept talking about his "TRACK RECORD" which is terrable. Let's talk about the Keating 5, ok McLier?
I'm more worried about "Barack, where's your killer instinct?" McCain loves the veterans? "Then why, John, did you so vehemently oppose Senator Webb's updated GI Bill until you ultimately decided not to show up to vote on it? Like the last 8 bills that would support veterans?" Grow some stones, dammit!
Ha ha! The debate just ended. I turned the channel to Fox-sure enough-those guys are in another world. You know what? I had not noticed that flag pin thing, but yeah, that's interesting.
Looking at these posts reminds me of the Bush/Kerry debates. Everyone said they were tied. Bullshit. Kerry was smarter and polite, it worked against him. This time, I see a grumpy old man who is contemptuos of Obama. McCain offers the same. Hopefully Americans aren't stupid again.
Hmmmmm
Aside from the made in china flag pin...
Candor?
Integrity?
A soul?
A sign of intelligence in the one good eye?
What else am I missing?
one mistake I see Obama making is that he is being entirely too solicitous of McCain: "Senator McCain is absolutely right..." "I agree with Senator McCain..." "I applaud Senator McCain..." etc.
He outperformed McCain, but it's by points, not a knockout.
"What Senator Obama fails to understand...."
Jesus, I wish Obama would have just went over and flattened that guy.
I hope the voters were tired of the condescending horse pucky spewed by McCain every time he opened his piehole and said Obama just 'doesn't understand' about one thing or another.
Eye contact Johnny....would it of killed you to make eye contact w/Obama? asshole. He looked and sounded like a robot ol McSame.
McCain is running on the memory of who he was hoping people won't register who he actually is.
Apparently he has a record. Funny. I always thought that was a bad thing.
I'm a super-shallow TV viewer so I believe I'll vote for the gentleman with the full head of hair.
The other one had a combover. You just can't trust someone with a combover. It's the most dishonest of all haircuts.
Why is he hiding his scalp? Is he ashamed of male pattern baldness?
The McCain lackey just came on CBS and said that McBush's "spending freeze" was bold and necessary.
That "spending freeze" idea was a steaming turd and was as practical as a space-based fusion reactor that turns dog shit into candy corn.
I can't believe he let that Reagan SDI bullshit go by unopposed.
Che's Lounge @ 1:
Except diplomacy and the willingness of Obama to sit down (low level at first) and talk. I suspect McSame to bomb first and ask questions later.
No flag pin. Did he stand for the anthem? Is McCain secretly a muslim?
Obama should have brought out the real reason we are Iraq is to enrich Bush and Cheney's benefactors : Halliburton, Kellog Brown & Root, Blackwater. War is good for business. Much money is being made and wasted over there in the name of "security" and the big bad boogeyman Al Queda.
I know that Mr. Obama is polite. I'll grant him that. But he needs to be meaner against McCain. I saw a condescending and rather rude jerk on that stage with Mr. Obama. And, he didn't let Mr. Obama get a word in at all.
He has to be tougher. He got a few in tonight, but he has to go below the belt and mention the lobbyists and the Keating 5. He's got to remind people of Cindy's associations with Keating. And, he's got to make it stick with the Bridge (and Road) to Nowhere.
Obama was not strong enough. Should have pushed more. McShame did ok.
A clear win for McCain, unfortunately.
I hope to see Obama coming out ALOT stronger against McCain! Come on, let's go!!!
Prince, you're right. One other thing-when Obama points out that something McSame says as "that's not true", there's another way to put that-Senator McCain you're a liar.
the pundits seem to be loving mc cain. but then didn't some major news outlet declare him the winner earlier today?
The only thing McCain killed was his credibility with independents with his harsh PERSONAL attacks. Obama attacked McCain's POLICIES.
Canuknotusa @ 25:
Maybe for the party faithful.
electability
leadership qualities...
the list goes on forever with what mccain is missing
do we have to pick just one thing?
Obama missed some points and said he agreed with McCain to many times. I still think he won, but not by as much as he could have.
"Senator McCain - where is your lapel pin at?"
A preposition is not something you should end a sentence with. :)
Wdav @ 22:
Come on. You can't say that when the defense industry is giving more to you than to your opponent.
He didn't wear the pin to bait obama into mentioning it.
"Tough-guy" maverick or intelligent, composed, deep-thinker?
Look, Americans voted twice for the "tough-guy" cowboy (at least in appearance).
What makes anyone think they're gonna change now?
Obama won. No, McCain won. Let the talking heads figure that one out. I love that McCain told so many proveable whoppers tonight — in a national debate in front of a national audience. I see many anti-McCain ads coming out of this. Thanks for the ammo Johnny.
On the surge, Obama should have quoted Bush from 10 Apr 2008:
"The immediate goal of the surge was to bring down the sectarian violence that threatened to overwhelm the government in Baghdad, restore basic security to Iraqi communities, and drive the terrorists out of their safe havens. As General Petraeus told Congress, American and Iraqi forces have made significant progress in all these areas. While there is more to be done, sectarian violence is down dramatically"
The surge has not succeeded.
I was just listening to David Gergen. He stated that McCain need a clear win tonight. And he said he thought McCain did not get one. I have to agree with that statement. McCain did well with his tactics. Obama did well with his determination to keep McCain honest.(No one can keep him honest, you just have to keep calling him out on his bs)
Obama needs to stop letting the opportunities slip away. He should have crushed him on that vote against the new GI Bill.
And the tie goes to McCain (unfortunately).
I just don't want Obama to over react and come off in the next debate as a bully.
Obama has to get much more feisty and passionate in the next debate.
I thought a couple of times Obama was going to get McSame to lose his temper. Damn I was hoping it would happen.
Also... Did anyone else notice McSame giggling? WTF, I learned in 4th grade debate that giggling at the podium is a sign of weakness. Do we really want a president that giggles to himself while his opponent speaks????
A HUGE win for the military industrial complex. When we need Ike, they give us a bellicose Stevenson.
I thought mcgramps did whether well. But I noticed Obama was wearing a flag pin (the light was bright on it so I'm not sure). But mcgramps was nasty, repeating points already refuted by Obama like the progression of lower level talks to a upper level summits. And he kept referring to what Obama didn't understand etc., he seemed testy. Obama seemed deferential, mcgramps on the attack, like he was the outsider.
That surge nonsense was tiring. The surge wouldn't have been necessary if Gen. Eric Shinseki had been listened to in the first place. Additionally, we are in what is called "The Fog of War," which mean it's far too early to determine what caused our apparent success and failures. That's for future historians. There was no mention of other factors such as the refugee problem, lower population, the Awakening Councils and Muqtada Al Sadr drawing down his Madi army. All effected the lessening of violence.
Umph, whatever. At best, the debate was a draw, at worst, Obama allowed McCain to mischaracterize his position on withdrawal without defending himself or explaining clearly his position. He should have challenged head on the false premise that the Surge is the cause of the reduction of violence in Iraq and explained clearly and forcefully that the reduction is due to the cease fire with Iranian ally al Sadr and the ethnic cleansing that has occurred in Baghdad.
Obama got bloodied by McSame's lies and didn't do a damn thing about it. He needed to hammer away at the lies, the moment McSame said them and he did nothing! I can't be more disappointed than I was by this debate.
MSNBC is saying that on substance Obama won.
This is not a win for anybody. This is a draw. Next debate is more important. Democrats are more fair by nature. We beleive in working for solutions. McCain and his ilk believe in absolute power. If McCain wins, be prepared. But Democrats will gain more seats. Let's hope.
jakflorida32169 @ 37:
You hit the nail on the head. I just hope the media points some of them out as well.
They both have bracelets.
Wow.
xoites defends Constitution @ 33:
The passive tense should also be avoided by one.
Hopefully the Media will continue to call out McCain's Debate lies (like KO is doing right now!). We all know how the Media can change loyalties like a leaf in the wind.
Sarah Braun @ 52:
Or perhaps two. :)
mudshark @ 39:
I agree with you on this. It was all about missed opportunities. If I were his manager, I'd talk to him about condensing his message. I'd also tell him to not say that his opponent was right. That alone is the kiss of death, despite the fact that it is too polite. Obama has the upper hand. He doesn't have to defer to McPOW anymore.
Sarah Braun @ 52:
If lapel pins are going to be the crux of the discussion, then the correct grammar would have bee "Where is your lapel pin at, asshole?"
Tucker Bounds....
WTF is with repugs and man/boys named Tucker?
Perhaps 'Tucker' is a title and not a name?
Do they really think this was a tie?
McCain is the fucking foriegn affairs guy. He showed a better grasp of russian satelite control then the war on terror. He's 20th century.
McCain told stories like an old man anytime he had to explain a real issue.
Obama had substantive, intelligent answers. He's supposed to be naive, but showed McCain to be WRONG on strategic decisions
Who are we kidding? The live polling on CNN really did not favor McCain at all, and the media doesn't want to beat a wounded puppy. But this puppy is a rabid ole pitbull with nothing less to loose. Shoot the damn thing old yeller style!
Am I really that far gone from mainstream America that this debate appeared to be a learn Obama victory?????
He also should have said it was the Sunni's that brought stability to Iraq. Being paid to do it. Hammer that one home.
Surge my ass.
WHERE IS PALIN?!?!?! Biden is on TV, and so is Guliani. HHAHAHAHA They're gonna stiff the freepers!
McCain's demeaner was insulting, he would not look in Obama's eye. That was disturbing.
McCain never once looked at Obama - even when they were shaking hands. McCain told so many old stories it was like listening to some old man sitting on a park bench who begins every story with, "Well back in MY day..." I was ready to scream and then at the very end, he started telling one more old boring tale! Obama could have been stronger, but at least he didn't come off as arrogant, over-educated, or condescending. And did anyone catch McCain tripping over "Achmedinijhad"? Hilarious! Also, at the end when the wives joined the guys onstage, Obama kissed Michelle and put his arm around her waist - John and Cindy? Not touching at all. In fact, Cindy tried to touch his back and he pulled away from her. Yech!!
Here's tomorrow's post debate "Honest McCain Campaign Poster", today!
http://gopnot4me.blogspot.com/2008/09/honest-mccain-campaign-poster-37-l...
(Dear Site Monitor, It's on point, dammit!)
And I'm really worried, as a medical pro, in re Sen. McCain's health.
Can we see the medical records, please, Johnny?
Prince Roy @ 14:
This is why I gave the edge to McCain. McCain is a bully you can't be nice to bullys. My daughter and wfe give it edge to Obama. They hated the traveloge aspect of McCain "I'm more experenced" stick
Joe Biden is on now correcting all the bs.
Me thinks Joe will have a little talk with Obama.
Not that it matters too much.
Simply stated, this was a debate that McCain should have dominated (according to WHOEVER).
Obama WON.
I already was convinced that he should be our president, just because he is the Democratic candidate.
After watching the debate, and not having to wince even ONCE, I am reassured.
The ONLY thing I regret about this debate, is that Obama did not call out McCain for voting AGAINST the vet bill right after McCain was talking about supporting the troops.
That would have been a big plus, but it really didn’t matter that much.
I think (and again, I’m biased) anyone who COULD have been persuaded, was impressed by Obama.
Peace All.
Additionally, they didn't address HOW we fight terrorism, FISA courts, unwarranted eavesdropping, data sweeps, telecommunications immunity, abuse of NSL letters, secret prisons, the use of torture (beyond the general), the loss of habeus corpus, monitoring prisoner's conversations with attorneys and probably more I'm too drunk to think of.
Che's Lounge @ 56:
Touche' or maybe i should just say, "touchy touchy." :)
I was thinking Obama needed to be more aggressive concerning McCain,but I've decided thats probably unimportant.McCain is a grizzled old hard ass and probably wants a scrap.Obama should just basically ignore the old fool and directly address Americans with real passion and emotion.He needs to convince people that he truly does represent change and change that is positive.
John,
Please don't torture me "again", ever, "again".
you do know what I mean by "again"?
Thanks.
cray86 @ 58:
I don't know you but here's hoping that you are indeed far from the mainstreem. :)
The liar mccain set the tone again. Obama spent more time correcting mccain lies about what Obama did or said than getting to make his position. He should have called mccain a liar right off and that would changed the tone to you better be right mccain or I'm going to call you on it. Alos he let mccain repeatedly say he had the experience and judgement, not once did Obama call him on his poor judgement on Iraq, on economy or so many other issues. He should have hammered him, had the chance so many times, I'm confused why he didn't do it.
A draw overall. Best hit was Obama pointing out that McCain's buddy Kissinger believes in meeting with Iran without pre-conditions. Next time, Obama needs to be more on offense and point out that his "earmarking" pales when compared to Palin.
This was like a boxing match where one guy came with a switchblade.
It was not Obama.
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But they are Corporate Candidates A and B.
Nader would have come with a rhetorical bazooka and blown them both up.
Time to vote...
http://www.cnn.com/
GOPnot4me @ 63:
He let reporters skim them for 20 minutes, didn't he?
ysbaddaden @ 67:
These are (mostly) Domestic issues- not foreign affairs.
pinkobait @ 69:
Yes. But it doesn't hurt, to have a little bit of fight in you. Obama needs to just turn up the notch a bit to stop McCain in his tracks.
McCain's nastiness appeals to those who are afraid of Obama. It reassures them that the old boys club is in control.
Prince Roy @ 14:
Obama took the call from Hillary before the debate:
"You've got to love Senator McCain like Bill and I do. You've got to respect Sen. McCain. You've got to honor Sen. McCain's service as a P.O.W. (even though he's continuously fought the families of the M.I.A.'s)...."
Why is Obama kissing Kissinger's...oops!!!! I mean, McCain's ring????!!!
And why the great mutual love fest over Israel who is brutalizing the Palestinian people?
Alice X - (Click Here for Nader Debate What If) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 74:
No he wouldn't. People would just point and laugh.
Have fun with the Republican Party...
Go to http://www.drudgereport.com and vote for Obama!
Glad someone else noticed McCain's refusal to look at Obama during this entire debate. I am happy to see Obama isn't playing the same games. He continues to look at McCain when addressing him even though McCain is acting like a five year old having a tantrum.
Who fared better in the first presidential debate?
Sen. John McCain 27% 2419
Sen. Barack Obama 67% 5889
Neither 6% 491
According to the CNN poll.
The next time I see these two I want them going ten rounds with boxing gloves!
One word for each: McCain-Krusty Obama-Presidential.
xoites defends Constitution @ 33:
Hey Xoites,
May I quote Churchill (in response to a woman who corrected him re: ending a sentence with a preposition): "You are correct, madam. That is something up with which we must not put."
Who was that condescending, bitter, old fart that Obama was debating?
I would have loved to have seen Obama run across the stage and slap that fucking smirk off of McCain's face? What a prick.
WHERE IS PALIN? Guiliani is speaking for McCain and Biden for Obama. HAHAHAH The jeebus camp is getting dumped!!!!!!!!
John McCain hates me for my freedom!
Matt in Texas @ 86:
Yes, i have heard that before too. :)
Isn't English fun? :)
A good highlight..
http://i33.tinypic.com/k984d2.jpg
nicethugbert @ 88:
She requires cue cards.
and who picked out mccain's tie?
it didnt show well on tv
On the idea of preconditions.
Obama got it right, but should have told McSame: 'You don't distinguish between preparation or leadup to precondition. Suppose two leaders need to negotioate and one comes out and says first you have to stop your nuclear program before I'll talk with you and the other says, you'll have to leave the Middle East before I talk to you, we'd never get anywhere.'
Other than that, the leaders of countries (right or wrong - good or bad) should show respect for each other, diplomatically.
Since Foreign Policy was considered mcgramp's strong point, and Obama held his own, the next debate will be domestic which Obama's is considered to excel at. Additionally, it's where the national attention is with massive bailouts, the cost of energy, food, medicene etc.
Cadaverick really was seething tonight - scary.
Come to think of it, I really don't care who won the debate. McCain acted like he was on some serious speeders, though. My overwhelming thought was that no matter who wins the election, there is going to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth as thousands of innocents are bombed out of their homes thanks to our enlightened 21st century foreign policy. If McCain is selected, he will promptly succumb to old age or cancer and Sarah the Impaler will surely rear her head and put the planet out of its misery.
Abbybwood @ 79:
Praising Israel's genocide of Palestinians is the price of playing this particular game.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 80:
Noah had the same problem. If you believe the story.
Someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stitch together a video of all the times McCain chuckled / smirked condescendingly at Obama!!!! It'll be a killer!
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So,
Who won the cause to be the CIC of the next OIL WAR?
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pinkobait @ 69:
i'd have to agree... i wanted to see mcliar pop a screw... but, in retrospect and after closely watching the audience response graph, it looked like obama was clearly getting support from the independents while mclame was losing them with his condescending and flagrant bs...
i'm thinking this is only round one and there's no need for a k.o. this early... best to suss out the strategy now since the rethugs can onlyplay one note, there'll be plenty of opportunity to analyze tonight's performance to find the sweet spots to hit mcinsane where it hurts while gaining support from both independents and rethugs...
(there were a couple of times when the red line nudged upward while obama was speaking and that looks and smells like opportunity to me)
pinkobait @ 69:
I couldn't agree more. However, just look at the past 8 years and who was se-elected!! You have to get the voters attention. Unfortunately some people have to have a Jerry Springer show to get their attention; or a brawl. Now is the time to push the ENOUGH motto loudly. People I work with, that don't even vote, talk openly against Obama and support McCain. (Thank goodness they don't bother to vote, I guess). They spend their time believing the e-mails or faux programs, don't take the time to research or question, and then reinforce the BS with other potential voters. A great saying my dad uses: You can't fix stupid. Problem is, we can't stand 4 or 8 more years of stupid.
Che's Lounge @ 99:
Did Noah or Nader consult Obama Girl?
Biden coming up on KO.
ysbaddaden @ 95:
It looked to me as if Obama looked much better on foriegn policy. McCain does not know the name of the leader of Pakistan and can't pronounce the name of the President of Iran AND he admitted that the US tortures prisoners.
xoites defends Constitution @ 83:
online or phone?
online polls dont mean shit
trust me...the phone polls will be different
there will also be a diff whether you listened or watched
if you watched, you got to see all of mccain's mannerisms...the dude is batshit crazy
obama needs to challenge him on something...anything....totally set him off
make him jump over the lecturn and try to hit him
THEN BITCH SLAP THAT OLD MAN BACK TO AZ
Obama, this very thread, as well as all the post-debate clean up that all of the MSM and fact checking annotations that everyone will now be forced to do in order to make your message clear is EXACTLY why YOU WILL LOSE! I don't want to hear what you shoulda said from anyone else but YOU.
This was your chance to nail this fossil of a failed social agenda to the wall for the past 30 years and you FAILED. Now for the next 2 weeks we'll hear from Olberman, Maddow, Schultz, Kos, Rhodes, Miller, Hartman, Young Turks, Amato and all the rest tell us what you SHOULD'VE said. They'll be the ones exposing the McLies, checking the record. They'll be the ones defending you and attacking him because you FAILED to do so. Only they'll be preaching to the choir, not the fence riders.
If you wont fight at the debate I have less confidence you'll contest an election that's already being stolen from you.
My sense of the debate is that Obama was right more often than McCain but that McCain was a more effective debater. He kept making snied remarks about Obama's being naive and not understanding the hard truthes about dealing with enemies, remarks that Obama needed to respond to with more force. Obama assumed that intelligent listeners wouldn't fall for that, but the voting majority are not intelligent. So Obama needed to hit back on that. Kerry made the same kind of mistake. "If you're so experienced and have such good judgment on matters of international security, how could you not have been more of a critic of your own adminstration that has made such a mess of this? Do you stand with or against this whole horrible mistake?" Something like that.
Obama had plenty of opportunities to hit McCain and refused most of them. At some point he needed to say that McCain was deluded if he thought that The Surge changed anything of true significance in Iraq. That it was merely an attempt at face-saving at the expense of more lives and trillions of dollars. And he needed to chide McCain for taking abourt "winning the war" in Iraq and coming home with pride. I suppose Obama was reluctant to say anything that might be construed as critical of the troops. That calling the war a stupid, cruel, and tragic mistake would have been too strong, lose more votes than it would win from the already converted. But really. He needed to provoke McCain, especially knowing what a quick trigger he has. McCain got off cheap on the whole Iraq thing, I think. I hope Obama is more forceful in the next debate. Being right in this country is never enough. You have to look right and sound right. You need to look forceful. Image is everything. Sad to say. I think McCain won the image contest tonight. Obama came off nicer, McCain came off tougher...the Old Soldier Americans want to take care of them.
As for the debate, I guess Obama was just grateful McCain showed up after all that waffling.
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 104:
No but I fear the end result will be similar.
East LA Vato @ 84:
I like that thinking and I'll borrow another thought:
"Whenever there's a big war coming on, you should rope off a big field. And on the big day, you should take all the kings, and their cabinets and their generals, put them in the center dressed in their underpants, and let them fight it out with clubs."
— Stanislaus "Kat" Katczinsky, All's Quiet on the Western Front
Atrocious @ 100:
I am sure the McCain campaign is working on one right now.
I loved at the end when we were reminded that the vice-pres debate is coming. I could just here the hair on the back of McCranky's neck stand up. I can't wait to see Aunt Sarah in action. It should be pretty good entertainment!!
McCain says he was in prison. Wonder what he was in for? Couldn't he have said "When I got back from Vietnam?" Pathetic, chasing the sympathy vote and he comes across as a felon.
Uncle@93, Probably the same person who designed Cindy's nightmare dresses. Who would spend thousands on those horrible frocks? Someone with too much money.
The pundits on the news channels are saying it's a tie, which is bad for McCooCoo because he's down in the polls and the next debates are on the economy.
hay guise whats going on in this thread?
I haven't read all 1000-ish comments yet. but I wanted to ask. now... I don't pay a lot of attention to politics so I don't know, but - did any of you notice?? the old grumpy white guy who got tortured in Vietnam who's running, right? did you notice? he wouldn't look at the darky who's also running. NO! no, but seriously. did anybody else notice that??
I haven't read all the comments, so I dunno... but I was noticing?? like.. John McCain never, like.. I dunno.. I need to go back and look at the tapes, but I don't think John McCain EVER looked at Obama. he certainly never addressed him directly...
and dude, Lehrer even said at the start "I want the two of you to talk to each other" or something like that... lol..
dude, the handshake at the end. Barack walked all the way to McCain. again, I need to Tivo it, but I think McCain went counterclockwise, and did the passive aggressive attempt to walk away. Barack walked all the way over to McCain... and said "THANK YOU JOHN! thank you, John...".
and Barack looked directly at John McCain.
and McCain said nothing, and looked at Barack's left shoulder, and quickly withdrew his hand and walked away to the doting arms of his lovely second wife.
so ya. I just noticed, the cracker seemed to be acting kind of racist? or maybe not. maybe its just me...
mudshark @ 59:
Spot on, muddy! The whole "awakening" thing is what got them to stop shooting at us and start shooting at al qaeda, not the bullshit "surge!"
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 104:
No one knows what Nader would have or not done in this debate...
... Because he's not allowed to participate in our DeMOCKracy.
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BatJack @ 114:
The VP debate will not be allowed to be as back-and-forth as this was.
xoites defends Constitution @ 76:
I have been in eye care since 1975, in one way or another. I am a certified 1) Ophthalmic Assistant, 2) Optician, 3) Contact lens technician. I work in an Ophthalmology clinic.
When patients present with similar symptoms, it's a 50/50 chance at that age for an extremely poor outcome.
In a worst case scenario, Sen. McCain may not live to be inaugurated. In a best case scenario, it's just Ptosis, a "droopy lid".
He's asking for our vote, has picked an obviously unqualified veep, and might be terminally ill.
And we can't see his medical records, why?
Che's Lounge @ 111:
In fact, Nader did consult Obama Girl.
Drudge has a poll showing 75% think McSame won.
BennyP @ 98:
take care in what you call a genocide...seriously
mcoldfart and the pig lady like to toss around "the holocaust" with the same lack of care
a war between nations is not a holocaust
and the conflict between the palestinians and the israelis is not a genocide...unless you can point out the mass graves that do not exist
Missing? was it the flag on the lapel?
I watched the debate with my mother and sister. My sister and I ran to the nursing home to be with my mom. We had to watch CNN (blahhhh) and I can never say this too much, Bill Bennett is a blowhard. He is so much a blowhard that every time I hear him I am amazed at how much a blowhard he is. It looks like he gets bigger every time I see him as if the hot air is expanding in him. He's like a roll of dough stuffed into a suit.
In a sense a draw or a slight win for McCain in this debate is a plus for Obama. This is McCains (perceived) area of expertise and he didnt do as well as he could while Obama held his own pretty well.
This election will be mostly about the economy not foreign policy. And McCain is totally clueless on economic issues and he obviously cant fall back on the most unqualified embarrassing VP candidate in American history.
Still its time for Obama to stop this polite "Johns right" nonsense. John is not right. He is dead wrong and thats what he needs to repeat over and over and over. And next debate call him out on his childish condescending "Obama doesnt understand" nonsense. There are lots of eloquent ways of doing that
Here is Here is Nader's summit with Obama Girl.
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There's a scene in The Color of Money where Tom Cruise can't bring himself to hustle an old guy with a hole in his throat. Paul Newman teaches him a lesson by almost letting him get his ass kicked by the old guy and his friends.
McCain clearly had a plan: treat Obama like he's stupid, and never *ever* let Obama get the last word in any round. What was Obama's plan? What did Obama want the audience want to come away with?
At the very least, Obama should have attacked McCain on credibility. The audience should have come away questioning whether McCain tells the plain simple truth.
xoites defends Constitution @ 90:
Who was it that said, "England and the United States - 2 cultures separated by a common language?"
McCain was THIS close to popping his cork when Obama said that McCain wouldn't even talk to our Spanish NATO partners.
GOPnot4me @ 122:
Why? Because your worst case scenario is probably the closest to the truth. Twelve years ago he was told he probably had another ten years. Why anyone would vote for a dead man who would be replaced by a superstitious lightweight i have no idea.
Chuck @ 124:
What else is to be expected from Drudge...
90 xoites defends Constitution Says:
Isn’t English fun? :)
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Yes, quite.
Hey Sen. Obama, heckuva job tonight! Nice job, bringing that knife to the gunfight!
All those years in Chicago, and he never saw 'The Untouchables'? Somebody on his staff has to sit him down and show him Sean Connery's 'The Chicago Way' scene: "He sends one of yours to the hospital: you send one of his to the morgue.'
If McCain lectures you on accountability Senator then ask him if, as president, he'd hold Dubya and Co. accountable for their crimes.
If he calls you naive for believing in talking with hostile governments, then remind him that if Kissinger hadn't talked to Le Duc Tho, then HIS ASS would still be prison in North Vietnam.
If he tells you that you 'just don't understand' then say, 'no you don't understand' - because he doesn't.
Jesus, Senator!! There is a reason John Kerry and Mike Dukakis are never going to have their pictures on postage stamps. Don't be such an effing sissy! Grow a pair! Hit back! I am tired of watching the good guys lose. If Democrats wanted a nominee who was in the tank for the Republicans, then we would have nominated Pelosi or Reid.
I think Obama reserveness and recognizing when someone is right about something shows quality in leadership to work with his administration and across the aisle of party line. McCain disrespectful of repeating that Obama doesn't understand, while Obama stick to speaking for himself.
What kind of foreign relationship will McCain have if he act this way to another leader??????
How will he even run DC in Washington???
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galmud @ 127:
To be serious though, McCain gave the Dems a lot of ammunition to use in ads. One key thing is his demeanor. Someone has to make an ad about McCain losing his temper in a few places in the debate. That alone could help in spades.
Jim Neill @ 109:
being snide and condescending does not win you points in a debate
of course, this really isnt a real debate, and obama needs to understand that
btw, wonder if the pundits will note that he spoke without a prompter and didnt stutter or stumble
and i wonder if before the next debate, whether mccain will again suspend his campaign so that he can again take a couple of days off, and show up well rested
Ya know, now that I've had a chance to calm down a little from McCains BS, I think at worst we have a draw here. Obama did a great job with the "You were wrong" statement directed at McCain about the Iraq war, and I also think McCain risks coming off very petty, especially with his body language and facial expressions. It was obvious he barely had himself under control much of the night. And his overall condescending tone may not work well with undecideds like he would like it too. The next few days will really tell a lot I think, but in the end, I think the debate is at worst a wash, and that’s good for Obama (or at least bad for McCain).
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, for all those of you who haven't taken the Kellie Pickler Geography course and know, there indeed are other countries out there in the world........check out the BBCNews website for their appraisals.
A bit embarassing but for the most part....true I submit.
Chuck @ 124:
Diebold does the counting.
because like seriously you guys. I don't think John McCain EVER looked even, like ... AT ... Barack Obama. hehe..
am I the only person who noticed that? because there were these entire like rants where Barack was ripping on McCain and .. like .. looking at him .. and pointing his hand in that passionate sort of "wtf, COME ON!" body language thing... and McCain was just smiling his angry smile and staring straight ahead.
then , McCain would make stern, and painful, and possibly even partially true statements about Obama... and Obama would be looking directly at him, attentive... engaged. not doing that patient, pissed off "nice guy takin' the high road and bidin' my time" smile, but fucking ENGAGED... and McCain would just stare straight ahead at Lehrer. or, maybe at most, glance in Obama's direction.
dudes, I think I just saw some racist old white guy feeling uncomfortable. and - in the big, whole "renaissance" sort of "America has to set an example" sense of things, its discouraging. but the 4channing /b/tard in me kind of lolled at the grumpy old white guy who got tortured in Vietnam squirming cuz he had to debate with a darky and he doesn't even wanna be there...
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but I'm sure I'm being ignorant. I mean, I heard rumors in 2000 that he had a forbidden love darky love child. ;)
I am of the opinion that McSames mannerisms alone cost him a ton of independent votes tonight. What a dick!
xoites defends Constitution @ 113:
I'm not sure you got my meaning. Or perhaps you did and I didn't get yours.
I was thinking of how rude McCain was. It would make the Al Gore "sighing" thing pale in comparision.
On the plus side, Biden is injecting the missing fire, and KO pointed out something I hadn't noticed: that McCain implied the US has used torture.
Chuck @ 124:
Dude, consider the source......
Atrocious @ 145:
I got your meaning. I am convinced rudeness is one of the "Family Values" the right champions.
I wish I could watch all these wrap-ups at one time.
CNN, CSPAN, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, whatever (but NEVER Faux News).
It's Bizarro World!
Please, make them stop!
P.D. @ 61:
He could barely keep it together. Had to play well to his militant base.
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