MSNBC is saying McCain will attend the debate tonight.

Some tasty shoe leather...

And last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt's response to a previous national financial crisis.

Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

What's wrong with that, some might ask?

Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time. Radio was Roosevelt's favored medium.

All Obama has to do tonight is be himself

We already know how the reviews will read.

Obama was just too damned smart and America isn't looking for intelligence in this time of financial chaos. McCain on the other had gave short stupid answers which are the kind most Americans can understand and want to hear while the country is engaged in two wars and financial chaos.

McCain's exceptional, albeit questionable, history as a war hero and his incredible ability not to have a clue about economics literally won every aspect of the debate for him.

pissed off patricia @ 1:

MSNBC is saying McCain will attend the debate tonight.

Will he be "wired"?

pissed off patricia @ 5:

All Obama has to do tonight is be himself

We already know how the reviews will read.

Obama was just too damned smart and America isn't looking for intelligence in this time of financial chaos. McCain on the other had gave short stupid answers which are the kind most Americans can understand and want to hear while the country is engaged in two wars and financial chaos.

McCain's exceptional, albeit questionable, history as a war hero and his incredible ability not to have a clue about economics literally won every aspect of the debate for him.

Spot on, P.O.P. you nailed it.

Just read Krauthammer's column on why we must support the bailout. Now I'm sure it's a bad thing as Chucky has never been right.

McBush/Qualin '08!

peaceful easy feeling @ 3:

Some tasty shoe leather...

And last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt's response to a previous national financial crisis.

Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

What's wrong with that, some might ask?

Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time. Radio was Roosevelt's favored medium.

Last night on the MSM News they were talking to ordinary people in Montana, (red state America). There was a man, a rancher, who said he was troubled by the fear tactics being laid forth by Bush, McCain and Palin. He said "FDR said "there is nothing to fear but fear itself" and that is what these people are counting on, our fear."

pissed off patricia @ 1:

MSNBC is saying McCain will attend the debate tonight.

With his tail tucked between his legs he comes back to face the American people who want answers. I wouldn't miss this for the world. Get the popcorn and sodas ready boys and girls.

McSame's opening statement:

"My friends, I learned about crisis when I was a POW. That's why I am the one best suited to deal with the financial crisis my party has gotten America into"

Moderator: "Senator McCain, can you give us specifics"

McSame: "............um......er......I was a POW!"

In case anyone missed Bush's blink-of-an-eye press conference this morning, here's the transcript.

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My administration continues to work with the Congress on a rescue plan. And we need a rescue plan. This is -- it's hard work. Our proposal is a big proposal. And the reason it's big and substantial is because we got a big problem.

We also need to move quickly. Now, anytime you have a plan this big, that is moving this quickly, that requires legislative approval, it creates challenges. Members want to be heard. They want to be able to express their opinions, and they should be allowed to express their opinions.

There are disagreements over aspects of the rescue plan, but there is no disagreement that something substantial must be done. The legislative process is sometimes not very pretty, but we are going to get a package passed. We will rise to the occasion. Republicans and Democrats will come together and pass a substantial rescue plan.

Thank you very much.

pissed off patricia @ 5:

All Obama has to do tonight is be himself

We already know how the reviews will read.

Obama was just too damned smart and America isn't looking for intelligence in this time of financial chaos. McCain on the other had gave short stupid answers which are the kind most Americans can understand and want to hear while the country is engaged in two wars and financial chaos.

McCain's exceptional, albeit questionable, history as a war hero and his incredible ability not to have a clue about economics literally won every aspect of the debate for him.

I kid you not, in a poll on who handled the financial crisis better, some people where actually saying they wanted more emotion out of Obama. Calm, clear in message, soothing the panic, solutions-oriented those were not leadership skills in a time of crisis. Drama-queen, end of the world, sky is falling rhetoric is?

Anonymous Hussein @ 16:

In case anyone missed Bush's blink-of-an-eye press conference this morning, here's the transcript.

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My administration continues to work with the Congress on a rescue plan. And we need a rescue plan. This is -- it's hard work. Our proposal is a big proposal. And the reason it's big and substantial is because we got a big problem.

We also need to move quickly. Now, anytime you have a plan this big, that is moving this quickly, that requires legislative approval, it creates challenges. Members want to be heard. They want to be able to express their opinions, and they should be allowed to express their opinions.

There are disagreements over aspects of the rescue plan, but there is no disagreement that something substantial must be done. The legislative process is sometimes not very pretty, but we are going to get a package passed. We will rise to the occasion. Republicans and Democrats will come together and pass a substantial rescue plan.

Thank you very much.

Or to put it in a nutshell, bush said nothing.

Palin's preacher: Jews control the economy, that's causing all the corruption, and we need to have Christians take over business and banking
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/palins-preacher-jews-control-economy....

Anais @ 8:

Ron @ 4:

peaceful easy feeling @ 3:

Some tasty shoe leather...

So?

Exactly. The point is, Hoover offered no solutions, and the Depression dragged on for YEARS. Only FDR offered solutions, which included the WPA and CCC, which enabled unemployed men to send money back to their families and improve the infrastructure of this country. My late grandmother had no goodwill at all for Hoover but loved FDR. As for the television-radio gaffe, well, OK, but it's a little mistake. At least Biden has something concrete to say. When you look at what Palin has to say on paper, it makes absolutely no sense. I wonder if she even has an idea about what happened under Herbert Hoover. It took her six years to get a college degree!

I know this is unpopular, but there is also the notion that the Great Depression was not caused by the stock market crash alone, but by the credit crunch that followed due to Hoover's refusal to put any money into the system. That is the premise that Bernake is working on. I'm sure not all economists follow this line of thinking. I doubt that they do.

wheeee @ 11:

i hope that the debate is so heated that they actually spar!
can you imagine mccain attempting to punch obama with his zombie arms while obama ducks and weaves and rants about how he's cassius clay (because
muhammed ali is too muslim sounding)............

Muhammad Ali...Recipe for Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebu0OBa1pus&feature=related

You would think it was an honest to God boxing match, the way CNN is advertising it. I'm so sick of infotainment. I want unbiased news reporting, not sensationalism.

pissed off patricia @ 25:

McCain is coming into this debate with egg on his face. The bailout/rescue plan is not complete and he said he would not show up until it was. He got caught in his own trap.

And he will let his mouth dig his own grave.

Orangutan. @ 22:

Palin's preacher: Jews control the economy, that's causing all the corruption, and we need to have Christians take over business and banking
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/palins-preacher-jews-control-economy.html

This preacher sounds more substantial than Sarah, even if that substance is crazy juice.

pissed off patricia @ 25:

McCain is coming into this debate with egg on his face. The bailout/rescue plan is not complete and he said he would not show up until it was. He got caught in his own trap.

There's still 9 hours left.

The crazy conspiracy parts of me says this is all a set up so that McCain can surprisingly announce, at the debate, that "my friends, we have a resuce plan (thanks to me, of course)." Even with their differences, Republicans seems to be able to come together for the greater good/greed of the party. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already agreed on a plan and are waiting for tonight to announce it.

Re: CMINCA @ 24

Widespread panic is what made the Great Depression so great.

While there is disagreement on how to implement the rescue plan, there is consensus something is needed to avert widespread panic.

JJ @ 31:

So if you a Democrat and win this election, good luck you asking for many long year of recovering from this mess and losing power in future from it. Why do you think the republican nominated McCain because he not one of true republican never has been. They just want to get rid of him. If you a republican you cause it and getting off the hook. I see no change here but a bunch a people who have no ideal the system work.

Not sure what your point is? Clinton inherited a mess from Daddy Bush and turned it around. The fact is, Republicans just do not know how to run an economy and even though Baby Bush has gotten us into a bigger mess I believe the Dems will be able to effectively turn it around. They are much smarter.

wow. CNL finally linked illiterateelectorate... i can die happy now. Thanks for the love CNL!!!

Orangutan. @ 22:

Palin's preacher: Jews control the economy, that's causing all the corruption, and we need to have Christians take over business and banking
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/palins-preacher-jews-control-economy.html

I hate to break it to you, but he isn't the only one preaching the "gospel of prosperity". They all do it.

From Chris Hedges' book, American Facists: "In the megachurches, there are worshippers and preachers who focus exclusively on the gospel of prosperity--centered on the belief that God wants Christians to be rich and successful.

As Dominionists, how can you have dominion over God's kingdom without being rich and politically powerful.

Photos from the Wall St. protest:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/100370/breaking:_photos_from_the_wall...

"Jump! You Fuckers!"

So if you a Democrat and win this election, good luck you asking for many long year of recovering from this mess and losing power in future from it. Why do you think the republican nominated McCain because he not one of true republican never has been. They just want to get rid of him. If you a republican you cause it and getting off the hook. I see no change here but a bunch a people who have no ideal the system work.

you don't understand. mccain/palin aren't a good option. regardless of the challenges. the republicans have deregulated the financial system,we have two wars now maybe more,nation building,tax breaks for the wealthy, secrecy,torture......this presidency has been a disaster.
now you listen to palin take relatively simple questions
are the response(s) are nonsensical.

peaceful easy feeling @ 3:

Some tasty shoe leather...

And last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt's response to a previous national financial crisis.

Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

What's wrong with that, some might ask?

Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time. Radio was Roosevelt's favored medium.

Good post, sweet pea. Re-emphasizing that the last major depression was also a result of Republican "leadership." Thanks.

peaceful easy feeling @ 34:

Re: CMINCA @ 24

Widespread panic is what made the Great Depression so great.

While there is disagreement on how to implement the rescue plan, there is consensus something is needed to avert widespread panic.

Agreed.

theWalrus @ 36:

JJ @ 31:

So if you a Democrat and win this election, good luck you asking for many long year of recovering from this mess and losing power in future from it. Why do you think the republican nominated McCain because he not one of true republican never has been. They just want to get rid of him. If you a republican you cause it and getting off the hook. I see no change here but a bunch a people who have no ideal the system work.

Not sure what your point is? Clinton inherited a mess from Daddy Bush and turned it around. The fact is, Republicans just do not know how to run an economy and even though Baby Bush has gotten us into a bigger mess I believe the Dems will be able to effectively turn it around. They are much smarter.

Clinton benefitted greatly from the dot com bubble and without it, he would certainly have had a difficult time turning the economy around. Perhaps, green energy will do the same for Obama. We'll just have to see.

CMINCA @ 40:

Orangutan. @ 22:

Palin's preacher: Jews control the economy, that's causing all the corruption, and we need to have Christians take over business and banking
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/palins-preacher-jews-control-economy.html

I hate to break it to you, but he isn't the only one preaching the "gospel of prosperity". They all do it.

From Chris Hedges' book, American Facists: "In the megachurches, there are worshippers and preachers who focus exclusively on the gospel of prosperity--centered on the belief that God wants Christians to be rich and successful.

As Dominionists, how can you have dominion over God's kingdom without being rich and politically powerful.

There are just a handful of books I would recommend that show the underbelly of the religious fanatics we may be forced to fight another Civil War with. Chris Hedges book, imho, tops the list.

Will the debate be on another channel than CNN? I cut cable way back to keep the intertubes, so I don't have CNN anymore. I'm hoping its on C-SPAN at least

it seems to be house republicans slowing this 'bailout'
proposal. this is a BUSH proposal. seems that mccain is
boxed in alittle. they are really concerned about
getting this done by asian market opening sunday evening. it's interesting how this came upon the last
couple weeks.
i don't pretent to understand this financial crisis but i still believe the ruling in 2004 that allowed the big 5
financial institutions wanted the ability to increase their
leverage margins/ratios. the SEC allowed this.

Liberal AND Proud @ 6:

pissed off patricia @ 1:

MSNBC is saying McCain will attend the debate tonight.

How much did he pay for his ticket?

My girlfriend and I will be having a nice dinner and some alchohol to watch this.

Hopefully, McCain will start to drool on himself, lose bladder control and keel over right onto Jim Lehrer.

That would really be a great start to the weekend.

CMINCA @ 54:

peaceful easy feeling @ 50:

Re: CMINCA @ 40

Only some of the megachurches are pushing the "health and wealth" gospel. Joel Osteen, bad. Bill Hybels, good. Greg Dickow, bad. Rick Warren, good. Perhaps it's time to branch out beyond Harper's and Mother Jones.

You should still be concerned, one of their own may be a heartbeat away from the presidency. This scares me to death.

30% dogma, 50% stupidity, 20% charisma..

A dangerous blend.

Bitter Bud Hussein @ 53:

Will the debate be on another channel than CNN? I cut cable way back to keep the intertubes, so I don't have CNN anymore. I'm hoping its on C-SPAN at least

You can check the PBS directory online. http://www.pbs.org/ Click on TV schedules. It should ask for your zip code so that you can select your preferred channel.

pissed off patricia @ 25:

McCain is coming into this debate with egg on his face. The bailout/rescue plan is not complete and he said he would not show up until it was. He got caught in his own trap.

Go to politico and see some pathetic rightwingers consider this a win for McCain and his move was a sign of leadership. It's funny as hell, yet embarrassing to see the desperation. They're the same posters who say Palin speaks like a "real person" and not some blithering, bumbling idjit.

Re: CMINCA @ 54

Concern over the "health and wealth" preachers corrupting the true Gospel is a given. Further to that, the lack of discernment within the general populace is also of concern, for example the tendency to lump together all "evangelicals" or all "megachurches."

Isn't the debate on past the elder Senator's bed time? Sorry. Its past mine for sure but I'm thinking about taking a nap just so I can wake up and hear Senator OBAMA CLEAN MCCAIN'S CLOCK! How can McCain not be prepared? He suspended his campaign and the Letterman interview; doncha' think he's rested up for this?

The OPPOSITE WORLD post was great!

If Karl Rove is Bush's Brain...is John McCain his rectum?

Re: Uppity Blue Lensman @ 59

Yes, a dangerous blend, which can apply to both preachers and politicians.

woody, tokin librul @ 67:

Who's blocking my posts and why?

Trying this again:
Nobody is EVER gonna fix ANYTHING.
Everything's broken forever.
The extent of the Bushevik clusterfuck is so pervasive, so complete, so thorough, so global that NOTHING will ever be repaired.
NOBODY can fix it.
Obama, if installed, will be merely a sacrificial offering to 'prove' that the libruls/minorities are useless.
The conditions will not change, preparing the way for a Hillary/Jeb 'contest' in 12.
If McC(umst)ain is installed, the depredations on the country will continue unabated.
Nothing is gonna change.
It's too fucked up...

peaceful easy feeling @ 64:

Re: CMINCA @ 54

Concern over the "health and wealth" preachers corrupting the true Gospel is a given. Further to that, the lack of discernment within the general populace is also of concern, for example the tendency to lump together all "evangelicals" or all "megachurches."

True. In the quote I mentioned it goes on to exclude "a small cluster" of evangelicals, such as Jim Wallis, Ron Sider, and Luis Palau. My concern is people who are followers, who depend on others to think for them and tell them what to think. My concern is not with the minority of Christians who are walking the walk. I would exclude every "mega-church" from this, by virtue of being a "mega-church".

peaceful easy feeling @ 70:

Re: Uppity Blue Lensman @ 59

Yes, a dangerous blend, which can apply to both preachers and politicians.

Those who seek to politicize faith are not Christians. They are Dominionists.

Re: CMINCA @ 74

Good conversation. Dang, have a conference call now. Will get back to you later.

peaceful easy feeling @ 75:

Re: The Fundamentally Strong Rusty Shackleford @ 73

Pardon my rudeness. Please grow up.

Okay, new dennis.

Jo @ 79:

CMINCA @ 77:

Jo @ 71:

peaceful easy feeling @ 64:

I will have less concern and perhaps more "discernment" when the other evangelicals and megachurches start calling the "health and wealth" preaching bogus and un-Christian. Until then, I have no problem lumping them all together.

Maybe we should bail-out the financial markets with all of the "faith-based initiatives" these folks have been receiving. I'd rather bet on Wall Street than Abstinence Only Education.

LOL!!!!!!!

I'm actually half serious. We'll have to cut spending in order to fund this bail-out, so why not start at one of the biggest sources of government waste.

CMINCA @ 85:

The Fundamentally Strong Rusty Shackleford @ 83:

CMINCA @ 76:

peaceful easy feeling @ 70:

Those who seek to politicize faith are not Christians. They are Dominionists.

Like these folks. People with an almost comical ignorance of the rationale behind the no-politicking rule that applies to tax-exempt organizations.

Think they're going to be endorsing Obama?

They've already said they are going to point out Satan's plan in Obama's message for hope. I hope the IRS crucifies them. No pun intended.

These faith-based initiatives are not supposed to be used for prosletyzing either, but these damn evangelicals cannot keep their born-again opinions to themselves.

The rank-and-file at the IRS have traditionally been people who take their job very seriously (which is why so many dislike them). For the most part they have been well-insulated from partisanship too. So they might very well rip these phony Christians a new one.