Vice Presidential Debate Open Thread
By bluegal Wednesday Oct 01, 2008 8:20pm
Something tells me Rush Limbaugh himself does not have enough Oxycontin to stem the pain this evening is going to bring.
The whole "debate bingo" game has really caught on. There's one version at Bob Staake. And Mother Jones has a .pdf version with multiple game boards.
And, while this blog does not promote the abuse of alcohol, the drinking games are here and here. Our favorite from both:
When Palin claims she said “Thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere: demand a new drink from your hosts, say “thanks but no thanks,” and then when no one’s looking, take it anyway, then claim you never wanted it.
Let us know what's worthy of comment tonight. Veep Debate Open Thread below...
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PLEASE continue to call her on her b.s. PLEASE
A live blog and an open thread?
PARTY TIME!
She stumbles when ever Gwen asks her a follow up question then gets right back to her scripted talking points.
Why did Joe give her credit?
Finally!!
Still, Palin didn't make a mistake yet. I noticed though, on CNN, that the line in the picture dropped when she mentioned the word "Hockeymom"....
Why did Joe give her credit? That'll be in the next Palin/McCain campaign commercial.
"John McCain's a reformer."
REFORMER. REFORMER. REFORMER.
help I'm drowning in catchphrases
Seriously, is this stragety(sic) really going to work on anyone? I mean I know a lot of 'Murcans are really fucking stupid, but come on.
"...A toxic mess that's affecting Wall Street, caused by Main Street."
She got her words jumbled up. I can't stand her.
"east coast politicians!" She just demonized an entire region of the country. Being and nasty and divisive is in the GOP's DNA. More of the same.
She's clueless ...
Isome @ 9:
She got her scripted lines on track up till then.
Goddamn she's evading.. 3 minutes on mortgages and she switched to talking about ENERGY.
This isn't a debate.. How can it be a debate when one party is answering the questions and the other is spending little 3 minute monologues on whichever pre-prepared subject that pops into her head?
Whaaaa????
She's denying global warming in mostly if not all man made. When is she going to get to the part where dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth together and all were created 6000 years ago?
Oh my god what the hell was that climate change answer? Thanks Sarah, that's the best laugh I've had in a long time.
Candy with melamine in Chinese milk found in Conn.
She's slick.
Staake has "faith" on his board. "Blessed" might have been better -- she uses that word a LOT.
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My word! She just repeated herself again! It's a set of phrases she has been trained to robotically repeat!
This might impress the dumbest undecideds - if this was a ten-minute debate. These repetitions are going to look STUPID beyond belief on the news shows.
mistress of the sophomoric platitude.
The chant is "drill baby, drill".???!!!
Whaaaa????!!!
Thank God I had a martini in honor of John Amato's tooth extractions....
Wha??????
I love watching Joes face when Sarah talks... especially those "I will destroy you" smiles.
He's being very good about not following his killer instincts.
By my card ...... Biden has KO'ed Palin on every utterance thus far ....
Will she EVER answer a question? ...
whats in her right ear ???
This woman is psychotic. Jeezus Christ.
I wanna...well I can't really say what I want to do in the interest of civility.
Now on Iraq!!! Joe should really level her on this topic!!!
Enough for me
Iraq was another Republican lie and it has cost us dearly. Fuck the surge.
Well, fuck them all on the issue of Gay marriage.
mezurashiiiken @ 20:
Yup, she's well programmed. Stepford VP?
The CNN independent line shows the patient is dead.. Palin's remarks were total flatline!!!!
that's Tina Fey right?..this is a comedy skit right?...what...this is the actual debate?..wow um..she's just..awful.
McPale's Navy @ 30:
One corner we haven't turned yet.
Biden is fantastic.
In the interest of fairness, I think Palin has scored some "down-home cutenesss" points, and she has been far more coherent than I expected, at least at first.
She's now starting to come a bit unhinged.
she completes john
White flag of surrender?
She is ballsy, I'll give her that. Joe, take the f'n gloves off...destroy her.
Shorter debate:
Biden: "Here are a lot of facts to back up my point."
Palin: "Darn tootin, I'm from Alaska!"
Joe, bring up Bush and Cheney more. Slick Sarah hasn't mentioned Tricky Dick and Chimp once.
Using Biden's words against him was smart, tactically. Gotta give her some points for that.
MAVERICK REFORMER OVERLOAD
She's not answering questions, but it doesn't matter. People aren't listening to what they're saying anyway.
-DT
Palin: Blah blah blah, buzzword. Blah blah blah blah buzzword buzzword. Buzword, buzzword and buzzword!!!
She needs to get off her script and answer the questions.
Ok I am missing this all. How is going?
Iran! Cuba! Danger Will Robinson!
Governor Palin, what is your position on global warming? "Barack Obama wants to raise taxes on people making less than $42,000 a year!"
Alright?
Governor Palin, what is your view on present day tax policy? "well, I think global warming is just something that left wing socialist bridge haters from areas east of the Mississippi river like to perpetuate against the deciples of Jesus who hate taxes on the rich and believe that the fundamentals that are holding us up are economically strong."
She said "nucular" again! Oh jeez, say it ain't so!!!
Nucular?? Seriously?? and i-rack?? seriously??? Dubya in drag.
she says nukular,
SHE'S A CHIMPETTE!!!!!
She said "nucular" again! Oh jeez, say it ain't so!!!
she says nukular,
SHE'S A CHIMPETTE!!!!!
So she's using the "nukyular" malapropism? How cute.
Oh, did I say "cute"? I meant "abysmally, grotesquely fucking stupid."
She's braindead.
How dare she say women's rights!!!! What a two-faced .................... (where'd I put that bottle of Crown?)
Nukular, fear and lies. Bush in lipstick.
Brainwashed
I need to quit this drinking game... it's too much!
Spain! Love it :D
Keefriff @ 35:
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"Nucular." Four times.
This was after mentioning the "Talibani" and stating that we need to stay in Iraq because the "Shia extremists are still fighting us."
Humph.
Pakistan has "nucular" weapons.
And ISRAEL has about 300 "nucular" weapons.
OMG....
Palin: "It's downright dangerous!!!"
And then she goes on to mention her discussion with the war criminal Kissinger....the WAR CRIMINAL????
Would Sarah like to fly to The Netherlands with Henry Kissinger to watch him be arrested at the airport with her??
Well, would ya Sarah???!!
Duh.
So...is she scoring any serious points with the shitkicker crowd?
Moving the needle at all? IMO, she's not hurting herself too much with the electorate at large.
Let's face it: we here all loathe her and everything we stand for, but, viewing her through the prism of the average American, she's not doing too bad.
At the NYTimes live-blog, this observation: "Half an hour in, Ms. Palin appears to be a different person from the hesitant, ill-informed interviewee who spoke to Katie Couric in several televised interviews. She is barreling along, not skipping a beat, reciting facts and figures, matching Mr. Biden point for point." Maybe. I'm not watching or listening to the debate. But we know that facts and substance don't matter much if at all. It's pzzazz and perception that win the day.
Joe speaks in specifics. Slick Sarah speaks in talking points and sound bites.
I was paying attention to the little lines at the bottom of the screen. It seems the Women don't like here.
I agree on the nukular thing, i can't stand it. not another person in office who would have access but not know how to pronounce it. Save us please.
And why is it that all R's can't say Iraq or Iran without caling it Eye-ran or eye-rak? Is it some kind of genetic thing?
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
BIDEN
23% 554
PALIN
72% 1,768
L.A. Confidential @ 64:
I'm not on Drudge. Are you?
She has memorized her talking points well.
However, even if she speaks well, and smiles, and looks great under the bright lights, she remains unconvincing. Joe Biden reminding us all that McCain=Bush is pretty damning, I hope he does it again and again.
PW @ 61:
Gee, what a shock.
Of course the media is going to try to spark up some drama by saying she's EXCEEDED expectations.
MY GOD, JOHN MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IS RE-BORN!!!
What a load of shit. The corporate media is a cancer on this nation.
Israel is a peace-seeking nation? WTF???
Nucular!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biden gaffe: Iran ... "closer to Obama" (sic). Whoops.
"I'm so excited that we both love Israel!" I'm so excited, too. "Huge blunders" in this administration. Wow, her handlers are shitting themselves.
Biden is rocking the CNN meter by tying McCain to Bush.
Sounds like Biden loves Israel more than USA.
MaryK @ 66:
No funny stuff eh?
"I love Isreal more than you do"
"Nah ah, I love Isreal more than you do"
"We both love Isreal and I respect that"
slurp, slurp, Isreal, slurp, slurp
Jeeze.. Nukes.. "Gotcha moderator!"
Obviously a biased question because nobody wants to think about Palin and the use of Nukes in the same context.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
same numbers as yesterday. they count their votes early eh?
Nucular weapons are the be all end all. lol.
☺☻Bangkok Bob☻☺ @ 64:
I dunno Bob. But the Eye Rack thing drives me nuts.
I was watching, but I just couldn't take no more.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
You'd probably get the same tally on FOX.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
What does that prove??
Drudge is a right-wing cesspool.
Just keep plugging away Joe .. she's off the wall ..
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
Rove. Matt put a poll up. You know the drill.
Matt. Yes Sir, right away sir.
Biden.. NAIL HER ON THE CIVILIAN DEATHS.. DON'T LET HER LIE ABOUT THAT DISGRACE!
Good, Joe! Finally called McC "no different from Bush." Five times.
And stop saying "nucular", Palin, please! It hurts!
Ooh ooh can I talk about Afghanistan too? They told me what to say about that too.
Caribou Barbie is not the brightest Northern Light from Alaska.
Did she just say "Nookler weapons would definitely be a trigger" for using nuclear weapons? Right before she veered off into Afghanistan again?
Our president talking to the Iranian president without preconditions is bad judgment and it's very dangerous.
I did not know that! What would be the terrible result of that meeting, I wonder? The terrorists win, I suppose?
Someone better clue in those five former Secretaries of State that said otherwise!
IMAGINE if you dare....this neocon brainwashed spokesmodel WITH HER FINGER ON THE TRIGGER !!!!!!!! of our entire nucular arsenal.
THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN.
"Nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular" Ugh! Make it stop!
Palin is reading from something....it's obvious.
Keefriff @ 80:
Well the debate isn't even over and already Palins won.
No attempt at media manipulation there no sir.
Chris from Ohio @ 91:
Kissinger and Kristol are in the orchestra pit holding cue cards.
PW @ 62:
It's all pizzazz & perception. I think her supporters will love her because it's style over substance for those people.
L.A. Confidential @ 92:
LOL, oh, I see your point.
I figured it was a live poll that was still active.
Ruthless People @ 34:
I'll give Biden some credit for trying to get her to answer if there's no difference between civil rights and gay marriage. She avoided it altogether so she showed her shallowness. I absolutely despise the word "tolerance." No human being should ever be subjected to tolerance. We are all the same.
MaryK @ 66:
Really? Darn it. I didn't even realize the debate was done already!
Joe Biden=nuclear. Sarah Palin=nucular. Nuff said.
Has anyone else noticed that Palin's ass has been systematically eating her grannies throughout this debate?
Someone is feeding Palin with an IV.
Stop reading your Blackberry!!!
Its getting way too obvious
L.A. Confidential @ 93:
Probably a Rothschild directing them two.
I'm kinda "feelin'"Sarah....
She's kinda the "girlfriend"...
Are ya feelin' me "Pissed off Patricia"???
Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to admit, she's doing better than I thought.
That's not saying much.
I will say this, Biden is coming off as knowing WTF he's talking about.
Palin: Not so much.
She sure is good looking. She looks like she belongs on TV as a weatherman or something.
McPale's Navy @ 96:
Palin said she has a good friend who is gay but it wouldn't be her "choice". That's Palin's tolerance.
What is she staring at? Almost as if there were a teleprompter, and every so often she reads from notes she appears to have brought
condescending bitch
L.A. Confidential @ 93:
Almost seems that way.
Did she rope-a-dope Couric just to come off looking decent in the debate?
Janet @ 85:
Ooh ooh can I talk about Afghanistan too? They told me what to say about that too.
OMG!!! I can just see her, jumping up and down like she needs a potty break, with her hand raised..... thanks for the visual.
Biden just said:
"Be it Serbs, Croats, or Bosniats..."
Heh...Bosniats.
Go Biden! Palin doesn't have a clue what she is talking about.
biden/obama '08
Can't see Chad from Alaska, can't tell ya 'bout that. Gonna haf to get back with ya on that.
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
The moron loving, anti thinking crowd at Drudge. Surprised Biden did so well with those imbeciles.
did anybody notice how she just changed? wow
Bullshit ...she didn't watch those debates.
Beware the smiling snake with lipstick.
She was a local sportscaster after it took her 6+ years to get through college.
If she talks about being a Washington outsider anymore . . . ay de mi! And why does no one in her Republican circle know how to pronounce the word "nuclear"?
"it's so obvious i'm a washington outsider"
um, yeah, i'd say so.
CNN has the focus group graph on screen....independents in Ohio....the lines dive every time she opens her mouth.
She's a very sick woman.
She has a sociopathic need to humiliate and degrade. Her lust for power is obvious.
She cannot be allowed anywhere near the corridors of power.
Oink, Oink...
Nope... still a pig
nick davis @ 110:
She's just rattling off the same old 8 years of Con Talking Points and Fear Propaganda.
Here comes POW!!!
I'm so proud of Joe for not running off at the mouth since he's had that tendency in the past. He's doing a great job of staying on point.
John McCain won a war?
Which one was that?
So, we did one of those drinkin' games. I am SOOO freakin hammered right now.
"John McCain knows how to win a war." What war was that? Vietnam?
What is McCain's position on Israel? Does McCain support a two state agreement?
Biden maxed the men for a long spell while talking about Darfur; Palin was dipping into the negatives trying to say Biden supported the war before opposing it. In the negs again trying to say McCain knows how to win a war.
Ruthless People @ 79:
looks like the demo is reflected in his poll I mean who would visit Drudge anyway?
John McCain got shot down in a war. I don't think he won one.
uh-oh, now she's asking about if you were president.....this should scare the bejesus out of anyone watching. has anyone noticed that palin kept saying 'darn' and 'heck' and she's moved onto her script?
Ruthless People @ 115:
I bought my son his first ball python.
I have also owned several wonderful pit bulldogs.
How infuriating to have them compared to... her!
Ruthless People @ 105:
As is one of my sisters' stance, and it cuts right through my heart.
Interesting how Palin's "friend" is rather anonymous. 30 years of friendship too. That means they knew each other at 14? An experiemental time in lots of prebubescents. In other words, it was her best friend at 14, she hasn't seen her since, and she's probably straight and married with a house full of kids now.
One (hyphenated) word describes Palin: self-serving
What is Biden talking about?
Lieberman and Guiliani and Romney........LMAO!!
Do you guys really like Obama
Factoid (from TPM): Didn't Palin just get the name wrong of our Army commander in Afghanistan. His name is David D. McKiernan. Who's the McClellan she was talking about? She pretty clearly misstated what he said, but she seems not even to know who he is. And here's the article with the General saying what Biden said he said, that a surge type strategy wouldn't work.
Joe's nailing the "maverick"! Finally, after Slick Sarah has said "maverick" like 15 times.
The Cubs are gonna get swept.
No contest.
Biden won.
She does have Charisma going for her but she better not use Maverick again and she should stop kissing Americas ass
Wow...Biden is givin a clinic!
The soundtrack for Palin's performance tonight:
The Undisputed Truth--"Smiling Faces"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGUgwzKzEg
Are Americans really caught up, accepting this "Maverick" title. What the hell is this WWF. Americans are fucking being laughed at by this Archie & Betty duo.
What a comic strip this is.
How can the Generalization Queen Sarah Palin say so many words without saying anything?
Biden just slammed the "Maverick" meme.
last time i checked the facts, McCain knows how to crash planes & sit in jail cells making propaganda films for the North Vietnamese.
Sarah Palin, please be advised that the City upon a Hill analogy goes back to John Winthrop in the seventeenth century... History does not begin with Ronald Reagan. But perhaps this fact was mentioned in the books that you ordered purged from Alaskan libraries...
Lieberman, Giuliani, Romney ....
She is proud of them
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