Lou Dobbs and Co. revert to McCarthy Mode: "Socialist!"
As his warmup for Wednesday night's debate, Lou Dobbs pretended (as he always does) to be engaging in free-form, nonpartisan outrage. Funny how it turned into nonstop Democrat bashing: from Dobbs' wonderment that white rural voters apparently don't care that Obama once supposedly dissed them, to the hyped-up "voter fraud scandal" in Ohio (odd, too, how the prospect of legitimate voters being denied the right to vote bothers Dobbs not one little whit), to ACORN (which he repeatedly referred to as a "radical left group").
But it all hit a peak when Diana West came on and said this, in discussing how someone like Obama could be ahead at this juncture:
WEST: I find it amazing. I think that a lot of our traditional beliefs about the way people think and act are being shattered in this election. One of whom would be in a time of economic crisis, I am amazed that Americans seem to be turning to one, the one, Senator Obama of course, who is someone who embraces what I would increasingly describe as socialist policies. He spoke about it this week in terms of spreading wealth around.
We kept hearing John McCain deride Obama during the debate for saying he wants to "spread the wealth". It's starting to sound like the "Obama is a socialist" meme is just about all they have left. (That may also explain why it's on the tongues of the entire wingnutosphere.)
Of course, West went on to advise McCain to go on the attack last night over Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.
No wonder she thinks Civilization As We Know It Is Ending (because of Latinos, naturally, which makes her a Dobbs favorite and regular). It's being overrun by nonwhite socialists, after all.
I'm really hoping that the coming election sends a message -- not just to the Republican right, but to the poobahs in charge of our media -- that the public is fed up with this bullshit. And guys like Dobbs and West are relegated to the dungheaps of media history whence they crawled.
"Senator Obama of course, who is someone who embraces what I would increasingly describe as socialist policies"
You mean like taking the losses created by the unethical business practices of the greedy Republicans and other White business criminals and passing their financial burden to Joe the Plumber?
Republicans love to talk about the scary socialists, but when they get us into a financial hole they sure don't mind socialist ideas to fix their shitty problems!
So Fuck Republicans, Fuck Lou Dobbs and Fuck passing the losses to the American people while keeping the gains private!
So, what you're saying is ONLY Republicans are to blame for this financial mess? Drink some more Koolaid.
Dig a little deeper to see "who" started this whole subprime mess. It didn't start in the last 8 years.
You're just another smuck that will not be accountable for anything, that is the liberal way.
Carbama '08
(Jimmy Carters 2nd Term)
So "who" started it? Talking a lot and saying nothing is the republican way. Let me be the first to say that the Limbaugh standard still holds true: If you do not support the NEXT president in a time of crisis, then you are a traitor, and a terrorist, and you hate America. Had the nation listened to Carter, we'd all be flying our cars to work and the nation would be solvent, instead of flat-ass broke.
Smuck?
The worldwide financial crisis is due to many trillions of dollars of leveraged financial instruments and credit swaps. The size of this market swelled from hundreds of billions in 2000 when Clinton was in office to (I've read) over 60 trillion dollars today. Or about 4 times our entire GDP.
The GOP mantra is "free market" and "no regulation", but there isn't a free market without accurate information and "no regulation" has permitted a shadow world economy a couple of times greater than the economy that we have information about. That relegates the entire intellectual basis for capitalism null and void.
Phil Gramm, McCain's financial adviser, wrote the law under which set loose the current financial "dogs of war".
I'll drink all the damn koolaid I want. Please take your shit and go home. You conservatives are the most worthless people in the world. Hopefully we can create a "White Jesus Land" somewhere and confine you people there until your defective genetic material is all gone!
Jimmy Carter was a much better person than any of the Republican presidents I've known. Nixon was a felon, Reagan was a senile hateful sack, Bush I was a felon, and Bush II is the "Worst pResident EVER!"
Yeahhhhhhh!
You're right that Bush didn't start it. That was Reagan. It's funny how re-Thugs - who've been in the White House for 20 out of the past 28 years - are trying to blame democrats for the financial crisis. What a bunch of frickin' crybabies. They've become a "kind of" party "of whiners".
Even supposing dems were responsible - then you have to also assume re-Thugs were so pathetic, clueless and powerless that they couldn't either, see it coming, or do anything about it. Neither of those scenarios is flattering re-Thugs.
Deregulation is the re-Thuglics tar-baby. They OWN it - and that's what caused this problem.
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What started the subprime problem is liberal dummycrats crying and chanting back in the early 90's that everyone should have the right to own a home. Come on Fannie loosen things up for these people that can't really afford a home. Hence the subprime loan problems.
We can point fingers all day, but where is the personal accountability? Each person signed documents knowing full well what could happen in 3-5 years when these arms adjusted.
You can blame all these companies for pushing bad loans, but ultimately the people signing are the problems.
Just because someone sets the table, doesn't mean you have to eat there.
In the immortal words of Obi-Wan Kenobi: "Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" Somebody thought crappy home loans were a GREAT investment opportunity. The 60 trillion dollars is not made up of little $100,000 loans.
... at the coming Democratic landslide, Danny Boy.
You Repubs have destroyed the country. Shut up and go away while we normal people try to fix it.
TROLLS, TROLLS, TROLLS~
It is WONDERFUL to see them so pissed off.
Blame someone else ... it's the republiCON way.
Who cares what they say. Obama is going to win. And the economy will come back, even if we have to suffer a recession. But we will get out of this. And the DEMOCRATS will bring this nation back to a prosperous one based on something that is real.
Let the TROLLS continue with their lies and be in DENIAL that they caused this mess.
The best revenge is having them be so upset and like CRYBABIES keep blaming someone else but them. Who cares! By the time Obama becomes US President in January 2009, they will be IGNORED.
For now, hey thanks trolls, for the COMIC RELIEF!
I can't speak for anyone rise, but my answer is this: They may not have all been Republicans, but they were all conservative to one degree or another. This debacle is the direct product of the conservative approach to governance.
Ronald Reagan isn't a Republican now? George H.W. Bush isn't a Republican now? Phill Gramm isn't a Republican now? I don't know about koolaid but whatever you're drinking may not be too good for cognitive skills.
Who invented the term "trickle down economics"? It sure wasn't a Democrat.
No. It started 14 years ago with the fascist takeover of congress and the "Contract on America."
(George Bush's 2nd term=economic collapse)
Shhh..."Be wery quiet, we are hunting for Sociawists."
LOL!
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Rethuglics are HUGE socialists. As long as it's for Corporate America.
But spend ONE DIME of "THEIR" money on American citizens???????? They're screaming from the bloody heavens.
"THE MONEY IS MINE, I TELL YOU! MINE! IT'S MINE! MINE! ALL MINE! KEEP THE DIRTY PEASANTS AND UNWASHED, DISEASE RIDDEN BROWN-SKINNED MASSES AWAY FROM MY MONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY!!!!!!!
And their voters think the re-thuglics are protecting THEM. Ignorance is bliss. As long as the queers can't get married they're happy. Dumbest people on the planet.
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just because you earn over $250,000????????
Maybe we should tax EVERYONE 50% regardless of which tax bracket you fall into. Would that make liberals happy????
Unbelievable.
Listen to yourselves.
This country is a mess, thanks in no small part to Republicans holding the presidency for most of the last forty years.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
And I'm sure you'll enjoy the "socialism" when you retire and accept your Social Security check. Then again, I'm sure you'd be willing to turn that down on the ideological principle that you want no part of "socialism," right?
I've read your comments, guy, and I think you live in the wrong country. The country that most comes to mind, which most reflects the things you seem to value most highly, is Somalia. Their state of affairs is the result of taking the ideas you seem to hold most dear to their logical conclusion. You may want to consider immigrating there, you'd probably be happier.
The only good Latino, as far as Dobbs is concerned, is the one who's cleaning up after his daughter's horse.
http://www.filthyrichmond.com is teh taint of taints
in the European model is so bad? I've been living in Europe for 6 years and I don't think my quality of life is so bad that I want to come back to the USA. There are filthy rich people here. There are poor people here. People have access to health care. If they are below a certain income and they have kids, people are entitled to tax credits, which they can use for childcare. Every kid, regardless of the parent's income gets a certain amount of money every month, according to the number of kids and the parent's income.
Bridges don't collapse and people are taken care of in emergencies. The transport could use some help, but it is pretty good. There is no government health centres around. So what are so many people afraid of?
Perhaps the realization that they are the same as everyone else? I dunno.
of any of their "sweet wampum" possibly going to any person with a higher melanin concentration than them. That is why they hate it.
No. It's wonderful - they love it and the quality of life is significantly better than that of Americans.
But these are stupid people - they've been drinking the kool-aid since the day they were born. Kool-aid is all you can get from the main-stream media and these people main-line it directly from their boob-tubes.
They're brainwashed - it's as simple as that. One plug from their TV set goes into the wall and the other goes into their tiny brains.
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That's because stupid Americans think that socialism is the same as communism.
Fact is that socialism works. Just ask any Canadian that's had to rely on their healthcare system.
Republicans hate socialism because it means that it's not "every man for himself".
As to the last paragraph of the post, I'll drink to that. (orange juice of course)
I'm still reeling from the comment McCain made last night about women's health, as he made his little air parentheses around the word health. The son of a bitch insulted every woman in the US and I hope they show him how much on November the 4th
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Did you notice after the candidates brought their wives onstage for the cursory handshake, how Mc Cain treated his wife/meal ticket? He walked in front of her, snappped his fingers as one would a dog, and motioned to her to follow him down off the stage! My wife gets pissed whenever I walk in front of her but this guy , literally, treated her like a dog!
And in the first debate he walked away and left Cindy on the stage alone to follow him. At that same debate, Michelle and Obama left the stage together with their arms around one another's waist. You can tell a whole lot about a man by the way he treats his wife and McCain has told me all I need to know.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You have no idea how McCain treats his wife. You probably read the cover of a book and try to tell everyone all about it.
"trollop" and a "****." Now, I can be a bitch sometimes, but my husband has never, ever dropped the C-bomb on me, and he is a foul mouthed Scot who uses the C-bomb the way valley girls say "like."
Since you have no idea what a relationship or indeed a real woman (your Sarah Palin fantasies don't count,) you have no idea how much body language provides tells to how a relationship goes. Obama kissed his wife, and they remained in close, physical contact with each other. They rubbed each others backs, held hands and he gave her more than one kiss.
Mr and Mrs Obama will be that old couple that still walk hand in hand in their dotage.
Cindy looked terrified and he barely looked at her. That is not a happy marriage, not by a long shot.
Dummycrat
At least we can spell and form complete sentences.
Troll. Go back to Freak Republic or whatever swamp you inhabit.
Oh yeah? Well, you're a poopy pants and a pee pee head!
In any event, thanks for the comic relief.
And that wrist brace she recently wore was probably the result of spousal abuse.
Dan, you're out of your depth. Take your meds and go away.
We already know how he treated his first wife, don't we?
Yes. I've been staying away from those threads because I can't find words for how I feel about that yet. It's too personal for me to come up with anything beyond "McCain - on behalf of myself and my two daughters -- FUCK YOU!" and while that will make me feel better - it doesn't cover it - not even close.
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Listen to your mouth. Do you talk like that in front of your daughters?? You're a disgrace to liberals. No wait, maybe you're not.
And rightwingers like you, sir, are a disgrace to the human species. You are dangerous to the health and wellbeing of every person on this planet. You are becoming irrelevant and soon you will be nothing but a chapter in the history books labelled "The rise and fall of the American Empire: The Dark Years".
You gotta love racism masquerading as populism.
Underpinning the Dobbs position on everything is simple greed: "I got mine, so fuck you."
I think the lot of them have this tattooed on their butts,
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...to come around, concerning Lou Dobbs. He has an excellent broadcasting voice and uses it tp promote his nefarious agenda very, very well. His show is so prominently featured on my favorite American news outlet--
If it wasn't for C&L and Dobb's subsequently growing number of detractors, I'd probably still be a fan of his show.
I wish Obama had responded to the "spreading wealth around" comment by pointing out that McCain and the rest of the GOP have been doing exactly that--they've been moving it from the poor to the rich, who have seen their share of the nation's wealth expand while the middle class and poor have seen it dwindle. That was a huge wealth redistribution that hurt the majority of the country. But, I suppose if he'd said that, it would be "class warfare," while what the right has been doing is what exactly?
When I heard the words "class war" escape Grampy McSame's lips I shouted out loud with frustration. There WAS a class war, and the rich won. I realize Obama didn't need to and ought not have tried to make this point during last night's debate - I just wish that Socialism weren't red-baited into a bogeyman in this country.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
I'm up here in Canuckistan and I totally agree. The sad thing is that the red-baiting has been both sustained and successful since the end of world war II. First it was the Stalinists, then communism in general. Nobody noticed that the objection to Stalin was not that he was a socialist, but that he was a totalitarian dictator. It didn't take too long until any domestic politics that was left of center was pilloried, first the communists, then the 'pinko commie sympathizers' and finally the real target - the unions. By the time Reagan ran for the presidency it was actually acceptable to refer to liberalism as 'the L word', as if it was too dirty to be mentioned in polite company.
In a healthy democracy there is supposed to be a 'pendulum effect' with the political spectrum moving back and forth around a healthy medium. An uninterrupted movement to the right has resulted in the country being a hairsbreadth from fascism.
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
If only Obama were a Socialist, we might have a chance to get some of the things we need in this country to make it livable...
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
Exactly, but it's too late, we're bankrupt. The deficit next year will be over a Trillion, probably quite a bit over if the Congress cooks up another 'stimulus package'.
They could cancel the entire 'Defense' budget and only erase half of the deficit.
We're in doo doo over our heads.
We are indeed in Deep Doo Doo (although I suggest we not use such advanced economic terminology when lay people are reading). However, I actually believe it doesn't have to be so bad.
We actually CAN simply work our way out of this Doo Doo. We are an extraordinarily powerful nation, and with the proper governance we could pay this debt back down again in eight years (just in time for another Republican administration to come in and squander our national resources again).
If I were Obama, I'd (aside from being smarter and cooler) start trimming back the defense budget, cancel the wars on Drugs and Terror, bring back troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. I'd reinvest those resources into rebuilding national infrastructure, funding education while reforming the educational system, and seriously, seriously funding the development of alternative energy sources.
I'd tax the f'ing rich, and I'd force ALL U.S. corporations over the 'small business' size to pay a minimum tax. Additionally, corporations with overseas corporate headquarters would be prohibited from government contracts, and would pay tariffs.
Those resources would be redirected into paying down the national debt.
I'd bust up the monopolies, particularly the broadcast monopolies. No corporation would own newspaper, radio, and TV in one market. Until we can stem the tide of corporate propaganda that demonizes anything that doesn't lead to corporate profits, we won't be able to start turning back their control of our government.
Finally, I'd urge Congress to pass Campaign Finance Reform, public campaign financing, and Instant Runoff Voting.
I hope Obama does some of those things, I believe that if we invest in American infrastructure and alternative fuels, we could be back on our economic feet in eight years.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
Let's see, you bash f'ing rich, because you're too lazy to bust your hump to make over $250,000 a year and would rather receive a handout from the government.
You want to cancel the war on terror, when there are people that would love to eliminate us.
You want to tax the hell out of the large corporations that GIVE you and other people a job.
Please define anything over a "small business size", where is the line?
Socialism????
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism by nature concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.
Didn't Obama say something about sharing the wealth? WOW!
Tell me, how is a poor person supposed to pull themselves if they can't afford to go to a college for higher learning?
Taxes? You gotta be kidding me. After what the GOP have done in the last 8 years, there is no way around raising taxes.
Did you even bother listening to what Obama said? Or are you still stuck on his color?
Socialism?
You should stop now. Your embarrassing yourself.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
So what you're saying is, I'm a racist, because I'm not voting for Obama.
Get a life!
"You want to tax the hell out of the large corporations that GIVE you and other people a job."
They are good at giving people in India jobs. They are also good at NOT paying their taxes by hiring lobbyists to effect changes in the tax code for their benefit and their benefit alone. Remember slobbering Chuck Norris' ravings about the tax code while omitting the corporate lobbyist's role in writing the thing?
Why do you hate America?
I love America and all the opportunities that we have. I'm not asking for a handout from anybody. Are you? Rather not work for it? Why do you think I hate America? Because I don't want to pay 50% in taxes? To spread the wealth?
As for education, there are so many grants, scholarship, etc...for EVERYONE!! Just have to look for the money....that means work for it.
This is noise. Careful - your IQ is showing. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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Danny boy you wouldn't have a single dime if it wasn't for the hardworking Americans that break their bodies for $20,000 a year. Lazy shits like you who do nothing productive are the real drain on any society.
shorter Diana West: spreading wealth = bad; greed, baby, greed! = good
Dan, I got thinking last night at milking that I was a bit harsh on you. Tell ya what, let me make it up to you! I'll help you spread your Republican message that everyone who make less then 250 grand is "too lazy to bust their hump" and "would rather receive a handout from the government". I'll try to do my best to help you by letting them know that that's the attitude they can expect from a McCain administration.
And I really highly reccommend you take this message of yours and the Republican Party to those angry Palin supporters directly yourself. I'm sure your message will help them "turn that anger into action".
Man, where do these trolls come from?
Dan Patrick, your head is so far up your ass that you're beginning to sound like one of those supporters at the McPain/Palin rallies.
Got a white hood also?
Dan, the fact of the matter is that it is the workers doing the job that GIVE the management a job and the investers money for nothing. But I don't expect low IQ poorly educated individuals that vote GOP to understand the basic principles of our economy and society.
"The Bush Legacy"
Thank you Heir boooosh.
ARREST, TRY and HANG!
When people like myself and the taxes I have paid on my less then average median household income are now going to help CEOs and their companies that totally blew it over the past eight years under the current system of tax breaks, etc? Isn't it obvious if you want to see how the current tax system and financial policies have worked just look at the current state of the American economy. It's been a reverse socialism of late where the poor are bailing out the rich. I guess in a sense we've been enabling them so like other types of addicts in a similiar situation they have yet to realize how screwed up it all is. If they want to decry socialism then fine, but let's keep it across the board. Bye bye AIG, bye bye Fannie and Freddie, etc. You're all on your own now (like the middle and lower income class), let's see how you do. How anyone can be for continuing the current system of tax breaks (i.e. McCain) is beyond me. To use another addiction phrase 'Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results'.
Excellent point!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I am exempting myself from Income tax next year. F Uck em. See how good the pols run a country with no revenue.
Do we actually know what would happen if we didn't bail them out? I'm all in favor of letting a business fail, but what would happen? I believe we all would feel the pain trickle down. It's easy to say f them, but think about it a little bit.
As for tax breaks; if you are overtaxing corporations, guess who is actually paying those taxes? You, me, and anyone who buys something. Plus jobs may be eliminated because of the burden placed on them buy our ever growing socialistic state.
This is also true of "trickle down" economics. The only thing that trickled down was the pain. And it continues . . . .
Economists sent a joint letter to Congress begging them not to do the bail-out -- Everyone knew it would not work. In order to work - the solution had to be bottom-up -- not top-down. But can you imagine the outrage if Congress had tried to give that money to Americans? the people who would have put it back INTO the system? Not "their" money - by god. Corporate Socialism with our tax-dollars is their god-given right.
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The BS spewing from 'Morning Joe' today is amaaaaazzzzzing!
Scarborough just claimed that the economic failure is NOT because of any fault with Capitalism, but because of faults with the distorted version of Capitalism of the last few years.
See.... not the same thing, eh?
I am glad Joe can now admit that the fall of Soviet Union had nothing to do with any flaws in Communism, but just the distorted version that the Reds employed in their last few years.
Thanks, Joe!
Joe and most of his cronies are full of shit. I had to turn it off this morning because it was either that or swat my tv off the kitchen counter.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
As someone who has lived without ANY television now for over 15 years - I recommend swatting the damned thing off the counter. It's easier than you think.
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Women are nothing more then window dressing to McCain, why else would he have picked Palin. He made it perfectly clear last night when he belittled the health of women what he really thinks about women.
diamondmc
And he loves her ass.
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If there are any Hillary women who are still supporting McCain, I wonder what they thought of his comments last night.
I personally don't care what it's called if we can help some of these people who have lost their homes, jobs and have no health insurance. Obama is absolutely right when he says if people have jobs, they have their dignity. With dignity comes pride and ambition. We could use a whole lot of that right now.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Lou Dobbs thinks everyone else's opinion sucks and he's always the smartest guy in the fucking room. Monday fat Lou went ballistic on his Democratic guest for defending John Lewis, who criticized the racially charged atmosphere at the Palin/McCain crowds last weekend. Dobbs clearly hates Obama and is as "Independent" as I am a fucking Klansman.
Frighteningly, absurdly appropriate.
http://blueherald.com/2008/10/debate-recap/
Priceless, I like the Penguins line at the end, "can I help it if I have enthusiastic supporters?"
Oh. My. God.
John McCain really IS the Penguin! He even says "my friends"!!
Wow.
Oh. My. God.
John McCain really IS the Penguin! He even says "my friends"!!
Wow.
So Diana, you're disappointed that your world, whose foundation is fraud, deception, and selfishness is not as popular and universally accepted as you think? Why how shocking--to self centered sociopaths.
I'd ask you to get a clue and embrace the world as it is, not as you want it to be but dupes like you are so poisoned by Rovian propaganda that it's too late for detox.
Enjoy your deceptive fantasy---just do us a favor, when your victim and martyr complex compels you to get the "real truth" out---shut your lying mouth, please.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I suspect that the word "socialism" will strike about as much fear and loathing into the hearts of the electorate in years to come as does the word "communist." In other words, it has largely lost it's meaning, particularly given recent events.
Communist...Oh you mean the bankers.
Socialism! - oh - you mean for Corporations!
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Hey, Where is KKKArl Rove anyway?
They needed a picture for the dictionary entry "flacid".
I thought the memo said "flatulence"?
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These clowns wouldn't know socialism if it gave every Alaskan a check worth $1,654 to redistribute the wealth of the oil companies.
Oh wait...........
I thought we are all socialists now thanks to our great leaders boosh / chain-me.
Let's just remember to be tireless in reminding people that the GOP President's nationalizing of our banks is, in fact, Socialism.
Changing the permissible interpretation of the Constitution unilaterally is also the same as Lenin and Mao Tsedung did in the name of Communism.
Bush is, therefore a Socialist and a Communist, and, since McCain supports Bush, McCain is also a Socialist and a Communist.
How can any patriotic American do otherwise than vote for Obama in those circumstances?
It's a sad statement about how far into fascism and corruption this governments has slipped, and an even sadder statement about how much Our government has been taken away from We, The People, when any person who does or proposes any act that looks after the well-being of people or the society is labeled a "socialist". It is ironic that these propaganda networks are willing to tolerate and applaud any action that furthers the spread of the fascist infection that is destroying this country, for example, the escape-all-consequences-bailout of the banking and investment rackets. Yet, become frantic with any measure that might aid the individual citizen. That they would purposely deploy a term that they hope would foment fear, in order to manipulate their viewing audience into supporting an agenda that in no way serves any interest of theirs, no matter how peripheral, is despicable.
CNN is a clownact. I wouldn't trust them to tell me that the sky is often blue.
One of President Obama's first acts must be seeing to the reform of the FCC. These propganda networks long ago abandoned any pretense of discharging their obligation and their trust to inform the American people of the facts and tone of the times. They are solely about manipulation. They need to have their lisences and franchises to use Our airwaves and Our bandwidth revoked, and they must be made to sustain heavy punitive measures for their deliberate abuse of the American People.
but they love it in practice.
Dobbs is a xenophobe and he has embraced it. Which apparently suits CNN just fine.
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I'm really hoping that the coming election sends a message -- not just to the Republican right, but to the poobahs in charge of our media -- that the public is fed up with this bullshit. And guys like Dobbs and West are relegated to the dungheaps of media history whence they crawled.
It's not going to do any such thing. Shitheels like Dobbs are on because they get viewership. They will disappear when their viewers disappear. It's really quite simple. Proof? Tucker Carlson. Total gasbag - so full of poo you could smell him through the TV screen. Had an audience 4 years ago, squandered it with his idiocy, viewership dried up and bingo - gone.
The likes of Dobbs et al will vanish when Americans are cured of their (now seemingly terminal) case of cranio-rectal inversion.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
I saw this live, and when she said this I thought she meant it not in an economic way but in a dog whistle racist way...
"WEST: I find it amazing. I think that a lot of our traditional beliefs about the way people think and act are being shattered in this election."
Like elect a brown person? So many of these people are racist or biggoted it blows my mind, and WTF is up with Dobbs? He is trying so hard to seem outraged at both parties and he's failing , he never mentions the fact that GWB had a a Republican congress for 6 years! Or that the Republicans held the legislative branch for 6 years before that as well. To him 2 years of very slim majority equals 12 years of a majority. Gotta love the false equivalancy.
ACORN is a FAR LEFT RADICAL group according to him. Now ACORN has problems, but really if I am gathering voter registration cards from people who lie on them or fill out multiples of the forms how is that my fault? It's ACORNS job to treat each one like it is valid and submit it, if they don't imagine the stink if they threw out a Republican one because it looked funny. No they accept all of them and let the state election apparatus sort through them and determine eligibility. Hell ACORN even flags ones they think are fishy to the state. Also is 10% really that high a percentage? I think that this whole ACORN thing is a setup so that when Obama wins they can contest the election and send this thing to the courts again like in 2000. If Kerry was a REpublican do you really think they would have just said oh well and let Ohio go without a fight? Besides who's to say it's not Republicans filling out these forms willy nilly and submitting them to ACORN? Sounds like a brilliant Rovian tactic to me.
Lou Dobbs likes to rant and outrage night after night on CNN about/over his pet topics and surely enjoys putting up those silly "poll results" to support his skewed positions and takes he has been spouting and shouting about to his "viewers" during each show.
These Lou Dobbs "polls" surely are definitive push polls and mirror Lou's intended outcome most often in ways that exceed any credibility.
That Lou runs up that "independent" flag he runs under surely is an outright case of fraud on the part of CNN against those viewers who are willing to return to see Dobb's show night after night.
It is galling as hell to have to listen to CNN crowing about how it has "the best political team on television" day after day when they clearly are not "the best" and put the Rush Limbaugh of TV--Lou Dobbs-- on week after week.
Lou Dobbs plainly has some very disturbed points of view and he surely is not an "independent" despite his full of BS claims to that state of mind.
I happen to live with a shut-in elderly person who watches lots of TV news and CNN or MSNBC in particular. After all these many months of WH politics I can barely take more of Wolf Blitzer,Lou Dobbs or the bulk of what CNN throws across the screen day and night. Jack Cafferty is OK but for the love of all that is sane does CNN have to run with Wolf and Lou?
Again. CNN does not have "the best political team on TV".
Lou Dobbs proves that everytime CNN puts him and his tilted/slanted "news show" on. He is the "Rush" of TV. Shame on CNN.
Thankfully Lou is followed by KO and RM over at MSNBC.
I laugh out loud in good humor when Lou gets a "Worst Persons" from KO. :-)
to them, lying is traditional.
and they pull the big flip out over the "redistribution" of wealth. the biggest pretense of this is that wealth is redistributed now, that's why some people can retire early with enough money to live in luxury for the rest of their lives, while other people will have to work forty hours a week or more for most of their lives and often just barely make ends meet. THAT is also redistribution of wealth. but wouldn't it just be HORRIBLE if the wealth were ever redistributed in a way that were more equitable? some people might not be able to buy their daughter her own horse ranch. oh the horrors.
incidentally, mccain keeps making it sound as though the taxes on u.s. corporations are so staggering, i wish obama would have put a blinking red box around the fact that these are the rates he's referring to, that mccain's referring to, before all the various breaks and loopholes are applied. those are two different things, simply.
i think senator obama did fantastically, but sometimes i do wish he'd make certain facts a little plainer to people, regarding mccain's false representations, i.e. health insurance, what in the hell good is a "tax credit"???? people who can't afford health insurance are really not the people who need a tax credit, how utterly ridiculous, which besides that, taxes can be reduced or increased, to compensate for the difference, what sham that is, purpose of which is simply to remove all responsibility from all employers, and nothing else.
additionally, how utterly absurd is mccain's self pity for being compared to wallace by a third party, his revolting slurs on obama, including commercials that slur him as a terrorist, and some sort of sick child molester (i am referring to the graphics job they did on the commercial where they say falsely that obama tried to put "sex ed" in kindergarten), all of these and many more slurs were verbally approved by john mccain himself. this needs to be underscored when mccain affects great umbrage at being criticized by someone other than and independent of senator obama.
like i said, they are referring to the old fashioned tradition of lying, lying and lying.
When are Obama's people going to explain that Bush's and now McCain's tax cuts for the wealthy were/are class warfare on the middle class, that it was intentional wealth redistribution from the middle class to the upper class.
They need to be quoting Warren Buffett every time this socialist crap comes up when he said, “There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
When an upper class person needs a thousand dollars for an investment, they don't have to look very far, probably in their wallets. But a middle class person usually has to make a choice: Less food? Cancel a vacation? Work overtime this month?
With folks like Lou Dobbs, and Palin and McCain railing against socialism... it may just return to respectibility!
Anyone else sick of seeing these bigots all over television telling Americans what and how to think??
Democracy IS socialism. What's more socialist than a populace coming together to collectively elect their own representation? There's a reason "to promote the COMMONWEALTH" was mentioned in the preamble of the Constitution. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
The problem is neo-con degenerates have systematically twissted rampant unchecked capitalism to be synonymous with democracy when in fact it's the opposite. Capitalism is localized hegemony.
Were similar conditions to exist today that the founding fathers created the constitution and the foundations of this country from, they'd be called the worst of socialists by these neo-con inbreds.
They don't want to bail out wealthy Wall Street types?
)O(
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Especially when you're a bankrupt corporate elitist looking for a government bailout.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Yawn.
These MSM knuckleheads are in their "last throes".
Seriously, they are a joke. Just like McCrazyCain, they dig themselves a deeper whole with their fantasy reports - "it's a tight race" blah, blah, blah
WHATEVER.
Obama is going to win. They (the MSM) is going to lose.
And the way we are going to do this is to FIGHT as we are behind. And also ensure the MSM WHORES get their comeuppance. It will be over for the MSM.
There is NO DIFFERENCE between the parties. Corporations paid $500 million each and bought both candidates. Corporations own the mass media and the government - both of whom do their bidding.
It's called FACISM, my friends. FACISM, folks.
Get used to it. You will soon be living in a police state. And you can't wait to vote for one of the evil twin slaves who will rule you.
PRESIDENT Barack Obama.
Oh...did you know he's BLACK! BOO!
And he's going to take your money!...and give it to...BLACK PEOPLE! Boo! Oooh...woooo...and...then he's going to make all the white women abort their babies...and impregnate them...so they carry mixed race children...and destroy the white race! BOO!
You can't run. You can't hide. He will control the military! He will be COMMANDER IN CHIEF! Boo!!
Maybe you should consider leaving...maybe go to South America...uhhh...oh noooooooooooooo....more dark skinned people! AAAAAAAAAAH! Maybe you should consider moving to Asia...ohhh...noooo...yellow people!! Boo! AAAAAAAAAH! Well, you can move to Europe...lots of white people there...but...oh no...oh noooooooooo...they're SOCIALISTS! AAAAAAAAAH!
Hmmm...may be time for you to find a strong rope and a chair.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Republicans really don't get it. This might have worked eight years ago when most people were doing well but today... "Spreading the wealth around" - I am guessing - that for most Americans that now would seem a pretty good idea.
I can't watch Lou Dobbs anymore. "Mr. Independent" is so anti-Obama. It's unfortunate, because there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides. As for Diana West: She has those Repub talking points down pat. I don't care for her sniffy, superior style. Although I could tolerate it if she ever had an original idea.
I guess "socialism" is the new Repub buzz word. I assume no self-respecting Repub will accept Social Security because it is a socialist program. Same with Medicare. Interesting that "class warfare" and "spreading the wealth" are also current Repub buzz words. Class warfare has been going on since the beginning of time. It's why "trickle-down economics" doesn't work. CEOs keep it all and none of it trickles down. This will make the second time the taxpayers have bailed out our financial institutions. That, to me, sounds like keeping the wealth at the top, taking from the working person and eliminating the potential that wealth will be spread more evenly.
Hey dumbass, the only way they'll get a message about being fed up with it is if you STOP FUCKING WATCHING THIS NONSENSE.
Could you fix the link? Nothing's more frustrating than a post with a link that can't go anywhere... argh.....
If that's all they've got now is the pandering to the very wealthy to try to get their support big effin' deal.
The wealth is concentrated in so few hands that the volume of votes this kind of crap might get them is totally insignificant compared to those who have much less of the financial wealth.
Hey Lou, when the economy goes to total shit. That's what people do. They elect an FDR.
Why is this new to you?
Lou Dobbs jingoistic propaganda of right-wing hate is disgusting. He parades out wingnuts, cronies and underlings that kiss his ass and portrays false populism which is truly right wing hate and ignorance. He only posts pro-Lou comments, he's got an ego is so big it's almost like self-parody.
He needs to be called out and shut down. Boycott the advertisers.
I already do boycott Lou Dobbs and at least one of his advertisers.
His show is such a yawner that Ambien will get no business from me.
What I find amazing is the notion that "spreading the wealth" is a characteristic of our economic policy that is absent at present. When the fed inflates the dollar and destroys its value -- when the government subsidizes corporations with taxpayer dollar -- these are all examples of how wealth in this country is redistributed to a particular group of people. These people are raising a fuss about "socialism" because the last thing they want is for the flow of money to change direction, but don't ever believe that they actually reject the principle of moving around wealth.
They only acts of government which aren't socialism are those acts which are either:
Acts of corruption,
Acts of predation upon the citizenry of the nation or the world,
and,
Acts of despotism and tyranny.
Anything a government does that sees to the well being of all people within its borders or circle of influence is an act of socialism. Any act of government that works to preserve the continuity of the nation as a people is an act of socialism.
The sociopaths never learn that the best way to assure their own greatest well-being is to actively work to assure the greatest well-being of the greatest possible number of others around them. It's called altruism. Altruism is a thing that will forever remain an impenetrable and incomprehensible mystery to these malignant personalities.
They're against the government doing anything for it's citizens unless it's for bailing out a bunch of rich sociopaths.
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This half witted book peddling swine has been making the rounds to spread her rascist swill....
http://townhall.com/columnists/DianaWest/2008...
Dobbs is giving her a platform to puke it on.
Her bullshit boils down to a simple message, that underprivileged minorities are to blame for our derailed economy, and Obama is a commie for suggesting we "spread the wealth."
Her idea of how to deal with the poor is stuff them all in a convention center, and let them drown.
If you want to e-mail this Harpy from hell, here is her e-mial info.
deathofthegrownup@verizon.net
Maybe to idiots. Communist I can see being an insult. Socialist? That's a positive goal for America, and for the richest capitalists a bail out.
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