Great Van Susteren last night on Fox News ran a segment exploring whether or not illegal immigrants were going to be dragged into the health-care debate by conservatives eager to find anything to latch onto to drag the legislation down.
Most notably, Sen. Jon Kyl has been giving them aid and comfort:
Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) on Tuesday defended critics of Democratic health care reform plans who claim the proposals would provide subsidized health care to illegal immigrants. Kyl said Democrats have long sought to block curbs on public services for people illegally in the country.
“It’s a logical question for people to ask,” Kyl said during a conference call with reporters, maintaining that during last year’s State Children’s Health Insurance Program debate and other legislative fights, Democrats blocked efforts by Republicans to include curbs on health care for illegal immigrants.
“In the last couple of bills … there were efforts to ensure that only eligible people would get the benefits … those efforts were defeated by Democrats,” Kyl argued, pointing out that hospitals currently are required to provide illegal aliens — as well as anyone else — with health care if they are in need.
“That illegal immigrants get care ... it’s a big burden on hospitals,” Kyl said.
Well, just like the "death panels" and "euthanasia" and "socialized medicine" claims, this one is wholly false, with no basis in reality whatsoever.
Media Matters has compiled a handy list of health-care myths propagated by right-wing talkers, and the "illegal immigrants will receive benefits" is No. 4 on the list:
REALITY: House bill stipulates that those "not lawfully present" may not receive subsidies to purchase insurance. Under the "Individual Affordability Credits" section of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009:
SEC. 242. AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.
(a) DEFINITION. --
(1) IN GENERAL. -- For purposes of this division, the term ''affordable credit eligible individual'' means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a subparagraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U), and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act) --
[...]
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
Senate HELP bill excludes those "not lawfully present" from federal funding. Under the "Making Coverage Affordable" section of the Affordable Health Choices Act:
(h) NO FEDERAL FUNDING. -- Nothing in this Act shall allow Federal payments for individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
PolitiFact has a further debunking. Antonio Olivo in the LA Times had a good piece examining the issue awhile back.
Have no fear: The fact of the claim's provable falsity will not deter the teabaggers from adopting it. Indeed, it probably increases the chances we'll be hearing it a lot more in the days to come.
These people have to run out of bullshit claims soon!!!
They come from the land of MakeShitUp and can continue to produce it faster than it can be debunked.
If they repeat it enough times, a good majority of them will come to believe it, no matter how many times you prove it false. Just look at the Birfers as an example.
whole debunk process.
They can still churn out the bullshit really fast, but we're catching up...
The one thing that we still have to work on though, is stifling the propaganda outlets, culling viewership from fox, and listeners from hate radio.
... a much more difficult task, since they're watching/listening to FOX and hate radio because the subject material validates their own world view.
This is not about a rational exchange of ideas, where parties are open and honest; this is deeply rooted in emotional, irrational behaviors and encouraged by the talking heads.
How do you educate people that refuse to learn?
I think we need some sort of "Truth in the Media" law that forbids hate and fear mongering with facts that are unprovable or outright lies. These guys are ruining America and they need to be stopped.
Freedom of Speech should not cover lies created with the express purpose of stoking fear and anger.
called "news." News must consist of only reporting facts as they occur. Precisely as they occur.
You can't, in the immortal words of Butthead, polish a turd. However, many children just naturally rebel against their parents and their parent's beliefs and values. At least long enough to deprogram some of them. Baby steps.
Nothing is going to change their minds because it's not really about HealthCare. It's about the fact that (the enemy) Democrats have a workable plan and they are afraid of anything that makes Dems look good.
They are convinced that republican gov't is all about "the people", lowered taxes, etc., but fail to remember how Bush made up his lowered taxes by allowing gas to rise, food to rise and huge taxes on luxuries to rise.
The GOP is the ant at the picnic.
Obama: "Basic Standard Of Decency" Allows Illegals To Be Treated
President Barack Obama said he would be okay with illegal immigrants being treated in emergency rooms in some situations under his health care plan.
This is like calling Larouchies far-right, libNmod. The land of MakeShitUp, indeed.
was called the "Basic Standard of Decency."
Sounds like your brain is swelling from being pounded by SIEU thugs. Your link isn't working very well either.
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Big City Mayor
Thanks, "denis."
what 65 percent of what Americans file with their health insurance companies get labeled by those companies.
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Big City Mayor
you still here?
I thought you slinked off, tail between the legs and shit.
Back for more punishment I see...
Well...I'll see what I can do to help ya out in that dept.
If they run out of money, they'll run out of a forum for airing their BS. Boycott their advertisers, and they'll run out of money. Here's who to boycott: http://www.democrats.com/boycott-fox-news-adv...
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
Yeah, 'cause what we ALL want is a bunch of sick, desperate illegal immigrants spreading untreated tuberculosis. That would be MUCH safer and CHEAPER than catching and treating diseases before they turned into pandemics, regardless of the citizenship status of the afflicted.
I hope some of these reich-wingers notice that their off-the-books household personnel are coughing and sneezing and that this makes them anxious and nervous. Don't want anyone to ACTUALLY get sick, I'd just like these Righties to get nervous...
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
God forbid we offer any kind of help for those within our borders. It's much easier to just watch them die I'm sure.
I hear them mezicans have the leprosy.
An' I done heard tell, them mezicans got teh scabees too!
An' they all got seeeeevere cases o' butt rot...
My preacher done tol' me, so it's true!
And if'n ya don't b'leev me, I got my shootin iron what sez yer a dayum liar!
Mexicans have got cooties! *sigh* He's been dancing around that with the leprosy claim...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
was a Mezican, and she shore did have teh cooties!
Of course...this was in 3rd grade in the 70's...I seem to remember cooties running wild in elementary schools during the 70's.
Yes, there seems to be a cootie epidemic amongst elementary students! ;)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
an ex with interplanetary alien status. He seems willing to claim he has dated a plethora of races and nationalities. None, however, has logged on as a user to claim to have gone out with him.
If one does, someone will label her a troll.
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Big City Mayor
Obviously, they must all be trolls lol!!!
But, it might just be me, but SOMEBODY sounds jealous!
I need something to distract me from jealously over not knowing everything.
Ever been with a redhead with an overbite?
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Big City Mayor
As for your question...who hasn't?
HA!
Buuuut seriously folks...I don't recall if she had an overbite.
She DID, have buck teeth, a peg leg, a wooden eye, and a goiter the size of ya friggin head, but no overbite...that would be gross.
You did my SISTER?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Now THAT'S comedy!
I gotta admit I was laughing so hard that it took me forever to type those four words.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
:)
It's good to laugh innit?
I depend on it to keep me sane.
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Cooties are bad? Ut oh.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They called you a cutie, not a cooty.
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Big City Mayor
I have cuties? That does sound better.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
for $5.99 here at a non Whole Foods grocery outlet. Of course this time of year they come from Chile. Don't tell me they are grown by the Pinochet family or I'll toss my breakfast.
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Big City Mayor
Fair trade cooties?
But they would charge you $9.99 a pound for the label. That enables them to pay the kid who labels it enough above the minimum wage to be able to contribute to a medical savings account to help with with a $2,500 annual deductible insurance policy. This is to reassure him he won't go broke if some hippie with swine flu coughs on the tangerines.
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Big City Mayor
It sounds better if you say it with a fake Puerto Rican accent.
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
I mean Jes! Jes eet does!
The President of Mexico has the black clap!
The only way to get rid of it is with a hammer. =;^D
Do you think we can get illegal aliens to clean the dead bodies off our lawns and sidewalks?
mandatory swine flu vaccines.
vaccine? The one that slightly protects you from one or two of the 100 forms of sexually transmitted warts? The one that has killed some recipients and made many seriously ill? That one? Well, the drug company that owns it, Merck, wants all immigrants who come here to be forced to not only have the vaccine, but to pay for it, too. I think we're talking about $114 per vaccination, for what probably costs them 49 cents per dose (minus advertising fees). I think it is a series of three shots. They also want to make it mandatory for school children, and are trying to get it approved for use for men. Big Pharma. At your service.
I thought Garasil was to protect females from cervical cancer. Last I heard only Texas was pushing this for all women in that state.
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Gov. Perry, small government advocate, tried to mandate the vaccination of all young women in Texas. Seems his former chief of staff is now a Merck lobbyist. The right went nuts and the Lege shut it down.
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Big City Mayor
My bad. I should have pointed out that it was governor fancy hair who was pushing this.
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cervix.
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Big City Mayor
:)
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They put forth the theory that genital warts cause cervical cancer. As I do not trust anything they say, I remain properly skeptical. It has gone beyond Texas.
I personally believe that cancer in any form is caused by a mutation of inhibitor genes caused by various sources, such as toxin chemicals in food, water, air, cosmetics, and so forth. But WTF do I know? I mean if there was a cure for cancer or a preventative for it, Big Pharma and the health insurance companies would be the first ones to announce it, right?
stays infectious.
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Big City Mayor
Even if it means not giving US Citizens and legal residents health care. What bizarre logic.
in ER where a women who spoke only Spanish was in the room across the hall. She was pregnant and wanted some kind of care. They brought in a translator she said she was from Texas and such and such. The Doctor talked to her for about 30 minutes repeating over and we can't treat you or prescribe medicine without proper verification from your primary Doctor. She kept arguing over and over "no no no I get treated" the only English she knew apparently. Eventually she just stood up and walked out in a huff.
Basically she went to the ER to try to get a Prescription refill.
right to lifers?
They did give her a quick vitals check right off to make sure she wasn't sick or in trouble but she was really spinning trying to get that refill.
They told her you have to go to the Pharmacy for this refill.
it was like on weekend nights they were in hyper overdrive trying to save gunshot victims and what have you and the immigrants would be jamming the halls wanting treatments for coughs, sneezes, splinters, prescription refills . .
works at an ER and I've heard similar stories from her.
But you have to be bleeding to get any care there!
My understanding of those who come into ER seeking treatment can be turned away if they do not have an emergency condition.
What exactly are the rules/laws on this?
I ask because one talking point about illegal aliens is that when they go to the ER without insurance, we are obligated to treat them even if they cannot pay.
So if they aren't in need of emergency care, are they treated?
If so, how are they billed if at all?
Anybody who can factually outline this, please respond.
I'm sure someone who does will post it soon.
deny emergency medical service based on an inability to pay up front. I was involved in legislation on the issue decades ago and I am sure I would have heard something if anyone had tried to change this.
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Big City Mayor
If you go in saying it hurts when I pee and I barely have enough energy to get through the day anymore, they will tell you to come in when you are peeing blood.
In this particular case, the guy had bladder cancer and by the time the blood showed up, the cancer was too far along to treat.
"They're going to kill you're Mexican grandmothe- wait a second,"
the GOP or a Republican(t) politician, I say Bull$hit!! before I even read a word... lying liars the frickin' lot of 'em!
will be forced to get sex changes
and speak! Swedish!
New Obamacare FAQ's: I have a cat but she is Mexican. Will she be covered under the new program?
time for dinner. Then she is a Czarina. She wants single payer.
Are you single?
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Big City Mayor
"Next" smear? They've been using this.
undocumented workers/illegal immigrants are the demographic that has been allowed into this country in order to keep wages down/reduce benefits. this demographic is being used for "cheap labor" and for political persuasion.
went off the cliff last year they've practically vanished off the face of earth around here.
the jobs the illegals have been doing are needed by the unemployed citizens. This is why the rabble has been roused from their "doltdom."
"cheap labor" is keep wages low. the notion that other people just won't do the jobs because of the jobs themselves is propaganda. some people won't take those jobs because those jobs don't pay.
corporations HATE labor cost consequently the movement to CHINA an emerging market. there's NO loyalty/real patriotism until of course there's an election then many run around wrapped in a flag.the financial elites/wallStreet are never satisfied so corporations are forced to cut somewhere. when there's no where to cut they cheat. personally, i am against "illegal immigration" not because of race but space. in addition to that they are being used.
Combining hate of illegals (brown ones anyway) with the fear of health care reform. Now if they can just roll gun-control paranoia into this. Luntz is getting a woody just thinking about it.
"Once the illegals get all-you-can-eat health care, the only way you'll be able to get health care is with your gun pointed at the physician."
How's that?
the promised land and when you get a cough or a headache you go to ER.
You will hear heads popping and hearts blowing out all over the country.
...doesn't quit trying to make love to Chuck "Yer Gonna Kill Granny" Grassley and take control of this soon-to-be disaster, this will be another falsehood believed by a majority of the American people, right? I mean, if Obama had been aggressive from the start none of these falsehoods would have taken hold, but he was too busy trying to get the Republicans to love him to be taking on their lies.
LOL on your name.
or part of the solution? Pick one. You'll feel better after you do.
He just talked about the reporting on things such as the death panel business. He said the reporter will say that someone on the right says that Obama is creating death panels. Then it's followed with, the white house denys they are creating death panels. He said that should be followed by there are no death panels being created, rather than leave it hanging out there as if it could or could not be true.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
created, and that that concept is ghoulish and totally against the law and spirit of America?
He should have said there will be no death for anyone anymore.
Where did the claim come from then that he thinks he is the Messiah? Surely you have to say "Belief in me prevents death" to be a messiah. Or at least "Belief in me prolongs erections."
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Big City Mayor
I'd pray to Him for an immortal erection, but I already have one!
the (r) said it build him up and bring him down. the viewing audience loves it.
Why? Isn't it enough to say there aren't any? He can't say that if another puppet gets in office that they won't set up death panels.
These morons believe what they want to believe and what they basically believe is that they do not care for a black man in the Whitehouse.
The president or the reporter? When the president was just talking about it, he just said, "Come on now." I mean it is so insane even he had no words for the ridiculousness of it. He did go on to explain how the repubs voted for end of life conferences with doctors back when medicare was reformed and they were fine with it then.
I think this just shows Sarah Palin's lack of knowledge when she made that outlandish statement. Had she done her homework she would have known the history of this and kept her ignorant mouth shut.
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The GOP will say anything if it supports their cause. Truth, knowledge, and facts are totally irrelevent to them.
"Will it stoke fear and anger at the opposing party?" is all they care about
... that the politicians who are spreading this nonsense, from Kyl to Grassley to Palin to DeLay:
- Didn't bother to read the actual legislation.
- DID read it, but just don't give a phuck about the facts.
- Don't phucking care either way.
It's clearly "Right Wing Dishonesty".
Christ on a cracker, can the arguments put forth from these nitwits get any dumber? If it's not in ANY form in ANY of the bills put forth so far, for fucks sake, why even bring it up?
The insurance industry crooks are getting desperate, and what scares me is the collective stupidity of the American people to actually absorb this total horseshit with out blinking an eye. What the hell has happened to common sense?
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
are giddy with glee thinking how they will spend all their new money.
I was just listening to the president on c-span and this was one of the lies he debunked. Too bad this wasn't on all the cable channels like they used to cover every time bush opened his mouth. What the president is saying now should be heard by everyone.
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it would be a drop in the bucket cost wise, to treat human beings as human beings. We spend way way way way more killing people in OTHER countries than it would cost dispensing medical care to a few thousand people who may be here illegally, if you subscribe to bullshit like that. I don't hear the asshats going after THAT moneypit. In fact, they were ALL FOR IT!
The selfishness and greed of these fuckwits is barely comprehensible to me.
me-oww!
in prison, then people whose only crime is coming here illegally because they needed work should have health care along with them and the rest of us, imo...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
or it was anyway. I think most have given up and said lets go home with the part of the U.S. Economy they depended on laying in smoking ruins anyway.
many people as it has cost us to kill people in Iraq and Afghanistan and to fix or treat the damage in those two places. Giving a shit about the possibility that medical care might be shared with someone from outside some imaginary 'privilege circle' is inhumane.
me-oww!
>>The next right-wing smear: Illegal immigrants will get benefits!
The correct response is not, 'no they won't', but So what if they do?
Kyl's house was cleaned, roofed, painted, and regularly landscape manicured by Illegals during the "Golden Years".
LOL
Was he saying back then they are just doing the jobs Americans don't want to do? . . (while paying them one tenth of normal wages under the table?)
didn't get asked. Why are you reaching out when all they say is no.
Is it reaching out or reaching around?
as much as i want single payer and universal coverage. and there is nothing i hate more than explaining anything on behalf of those "diningroom tables", here i am correcting one of my own. The "diningroom tables" don't want the illegals to have ANY CARE. They are racially on purpose comparing ANY CARE AT ALL with GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED CARE INSURANCE. and so are you.(not the racially on purpose part)
you can say "nope its not in the bill" and that is true. what you
can't say is that if there is a horrible car accident and a little
kid comes in the emergency room all bloody - the doctors in that emergency room are going to set to work immediately fixing the
kid and asking if he is in the usa legally later. The "diningroom
tables" want that question asked first.
They expect the ER surgeons to ask right off "Are you from the USA?"
Sheesh . . .
A new poll claims 50% of Americans actually believe it.
Phew man
?
I guess 1200 people is America.
We actually lost WWII to the Nazi's. They are just using the 2008 election to try and break the news to us gradually.
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Big City Mayor
Just wondering . . .
Is your heart with the uninsured or with the insurance companies.
I work with a lot of righties and what it boils down to is that they are afraid they might have to shell out an extra dime a month to provide someone with healthcare. (possibly, eek, a non-white person).
The irony and hypocrisy here is that it does not bother them a whit that they are subsidizing Insurance Co. CEO's multi-million dollar salaries. (Hey, at least they are probably white)
"Tempo Tasking" techniques that are designed to crush any appeal to the virtue of patience.
They break up the coherence of opposition by doing more faster and louder than anyone else.
Bush was a great example of Tempo Tasking right after "Saddam" Attacked New York.
....people tend to remember what they heard first, most, and what is the more sensational story.
Truth and facts arrive more slowly and are seldom sensational.
Hence, "death panels" beat the hell out of "a living will"
I think what gave death panels a headstart was saying they were going to make life or death decisions for old people and children with problems. That's a crowd pleaser and attention getter every time.
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she heard the word "death" on TV while she was thinking of new wood paneling for her trailer, and "Viola!" The phrase "Death Panels" came flying out of her mouth.
in that movie Walk Hard was inspired to write hit songs?
....is house-hunting in Rhode Island(my condolences) and has signed a contract with FOX (surprise, surprise) and has no plans to ever seek an elected office again. (Would eventually just have to quit anyway)
just what the world needs.
Another airhead rightwing who is goin to pushin propaganda...
Also...I am very sorry for Rhode Island.
move into their principality. She should try New Jersey. She can take hers guns with her if she moves there.
"The next right-wing smear of health-care reform: Illegal immigrants will get benefits! (Er, no, they won't.)"
Er, yes, they do. They get them through the ER. And then we all pay for them. We just pay for their benefits the most expensive way possible and then let three people mark it up for profit before paying it.
Just pass HR676 already.
with trying to fight ignorance or plain stupidity with facts is that when you confront such a person at say, a town hall meeting, laying the facts before them doesn't get you a smarter person. It gets you an angry stupid person.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
It's like arguing with my dining room table.
for my dining room table than these foil sheathed pinheads. My table is full of quiet charm and is very supportive of my gustatory endeavors. The pinheads, not so much.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
....the respect it deserves for never calling me a Natsi
Rascalcat!
Make up for lost time!
But now, since we might be arriving at a time when we finally get government-financed health insurance, we really do need to look at reducing the stresses on the system, and those stresses include people who moved to America but never became citizens. Those people need to be brought into the system so that everyone who is here has representation, taxation, and isn't some obscure outsider to the systems we have in place. Until we know who is here we will have no idea what to do about them. We're paying for "illegal" people every day, why not help them become legal so they can help the states?
Illegals do pay taxes, unless they're working under the table. They have no choice, due to withholding.
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
and if they pay rent, they assist the landlord of the property pay his or her property taxes. They also pay for car licenses and tabs, also taxes. And when they DO pay federal income taxes, they don't file returns for the refunds.
One way to reduce stresses on the system would be to quit squandering money on killing people in other countries.
me-oww!
Here is what is wrong with the selective health care system that seems to be the best that politicians can come up with. We have multitudes of illegal aliens within our borders right this minute! The pick our produce, serve our food, make our beds, and care for our children. Cutting these people off from any Federal health program is playing Russian Roulette with all but one of the chambers loaded. This crop of selfish Americans who don't want to pay for anyone else's health care can't seem to grasp that having anyone inside our borders without access to basic healthcare is a bomb waiting to go off.
There have been plenty of warning signs, but Americans seem more interested in whether or not Paula Abdul will be on American Idol next season than whether this country can catch up to the rest of the developed world in universal healthcare. It's okay to let George Bush drive this country over a cliff economically, but these morons can't comprehend the benefits of a healthier nation. We're slipping down the tubes and I'm not so sure we don't deserve it.
So whenever some dumb@$$ throws this bull$4it in your face, read off the lines prohibiting use by non-citizens and scream "HEY, DUMBASS! I'M DOING WHAT YOU MORONS TOLD ME TO DO! READ THE BILL! READ THE BILL!"
Any legal, illegal, extralegal, or sub prime legal Americans who get a tummy ache while in Britain will be a beneficiary of their health care service, and the Brits aren't the least bit upset about it.
Of course, they are vile, evil, godless socialists, so what can you expect?
Americans are so arrogant. The way other countries show that their citizens are valued should shame us to silence.
You obviously do not live in the United States. Illegal immigrants have a "right" to a free K-12 education and a "right" to emergency room treatment, and even rights to certain social security benefits - and everything else a citizen has a right to. Why? Not because Congress voted them those rights but because the Supreme Court gave them those rights. Any idiot knows that the Supreme Court has basically made it illegal to deny illegal immigrants a whole host of entitlements, or even to inquire of their immigration status in many contexts. The Democrats can have political cover by accurately pointing out that their healthcare bills won't specifically grant illegal immigrants rights, knowing full well that the very first time an illegal immigrant (or, more accurately, their apologist backers in the ACLU and others) bring a case to court, that court (with Sotomayor voting with them now, of course) will extend healthcare rights to them.....GUARANTEED. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE THAT THIS COUNTRY WILL HAVE A HEALTHCARE ENTITLEMENT THAT WON'T BE EXTENDED BY THE COURTS TO EVERY BREATHING CREATURE IN THE COUNTRY. GET IT? OF COURSE YOU DO. YOU LIVE HERE. YOU'VE WITNESSED IT. STOP THE DISINGENUOUS DENIALS. BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST FOR A CHANGE.
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