O'Reilly and Goldberg agree: Obama playing at Fox's level is 'immature'
A glimpse of reality managed to peek out between the lines of B.S. that largely constituted Bill O'Reilly's weekly conversation with Bernard Goldberg on Tuesday.
Goldberg: I think the guys at the White House, the political guys at the White House, say, 'You know, you have a couple of people here on this network who if their lips are moving, if their lips are moving, they're bashing the president.' And then the entertainment network, as Juan Williams said, the run the 'So You Think You Can Dance' instead of the president's speech to Congress. And I think these guys are saying, 'You want to play like that? You want to play like that, Fox? We can play like that too.' And, and, and --
O'Reilly: Yeah, but that's immature. It hurts them.
Goldberg: I agree. I agree. I agree.
It's nice of O'Reilly to finally acknowledge that the treatment of President Obama by his network is immature. That's probably the kindest description -- after "absurdly biased," "hateful," and "a journalistic travesty" -- one is likely to apply here, but it'll do. Fox's coverage of Obama has been worthy of a network run by eight-year-olds who like to stick out their tongues. (See the latest Time cover for more of that.)
And so perhaps for the White House to respond in kind is equally immature. But O'Reilly's glass palace isn't such a great place from which to throw these particular stones.
And the whining and kvetching. Oy! What a bunch of crybabies these people are.
O'Reilly then lists the Fox anchors who don't bash Obama with every breath (he calls it "giving Obama a fair shot"). It's a short list. Then he asks: "How many fair shots do you need?"
Which sort of begs the question, "Why not all of them?"
Really: Why should anyone have to absorb the barrage of cheap shots that's part and parcel of the Fox treatment for Democrats? Good on Obama for just saying No, at least this time around.
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O'Reilly then lists the Fox anchors who don't bash Obama with every breath (he calls it "giving Obama a fair shot"). It's a short list. Then he asks: "How many fair shots do you need?"
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22 KJV
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Hey now, using the bible to promote the non fox news version of christian ideals is a low blow. These men spend a lot of time trying to get us all to follow the way of the Bible, unless of course the ratings arent there, then it is sex, guns, and drugs until the cows come home.
Thass udderly true.
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OMG, you're going to milk this for all it's worth, aren't you?
Murdoch started his news paper and media after his father's method of a tabloid news outlet...
So what do you expect his news outlets to talk about or publish real news events..
You can see now ,,, that CNN , ABC , NBC , CBS has started the same type of news reporting , but of course it is controlled by and for corporations and their republican propaganda pushers.
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How many fair shots?
Jeez, I guess we ask too much of the network that calls itself fair and balanced.
FOX's new motto?
"How Many Fair Shots Do You Need?
I don't recall these clots having any problem with the Bushies cherry picking their interviewers...
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I thought they only want the gay dudes
Not virgins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9F_z0B2TA
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takes me back to the days of my misspent "yoot"
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
He's desperate to try and win over the Republicans, though god only knows why. He knows their viewing figures are slightly above the 23% of the permanently wingnuts in the population. And those are the people he'll be trying to reach out to. Again, no idea why.
But he'll cave. Just watch. I'd give it less than a month.
The next time he's on O'Reilly's show, can they discuss each other's personal body count?! Sure, Jim David Adkisson (inspired by Goldberg) killed more people, but O'Reilly was able to put a direct on-air hit out on George Tiller and see it carried off. And, of course, neither are held responsible.
CBS obviously saw Goldberg's right-wing tendencies and dumped him. If I were Bob Schieffer, I'd ignore the asshole, too.
Oh, my, everyone's so WHINY about the fact that the White House is stiffing FOX. Well, when you're PRAVDA for the Republican Party, you'll get that, tough titty, Bernie. FOX couldn't do an investigative story about the Bush White House if Cheney himself got indicted.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
Good god - get these two jerkasses together and it's a real Looney Tunes moment. Goldberg is particularly despicable in a sea of despicable rightwingers. Total loser.
The President did a news show circuit last weekend. When he gets around to doing an entertainment show circuit I'm sure he'll include them with Letterman, Leno, Colbert, etc. Sheeesh what frigging little idiot crybabies!
I can't download the video. (the problem is on my end) but I would like to know who is on O'Reilly's list the Fox anchors who don't bash Obama. Can somebody help me here?
1. Sheperd Smith
2. Sheperd Smith
3. Is that Colmes guy still on here?
4. Sheperd Smith
5. loofah
Billo only named Greta van Susteren, Shepherd Smith, and Bret Baier.
Greta strikes me as an odd one to mention, did she break-up with the Palins?
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Tue, 09/22/2009 - 09:22 — Captain Kangaroo
I can't download the video. (the problem is on my end) but I would like to know who is on O'Reilly's list the Fox anchors who don't bash Obama. Can somebody help me here?
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Have you tried a proctologist?
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Bwah-hah-hah-hah-ha!!!!
All other clearthinking people should do the same. Fans of FAUX Snooze are not going to be influenced by reality and reason, so there is no purpose in letting them try to beat up on you.
People talking nonsense should just be ignored.
Dems should NOT advertise on FOX networks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5P5eQiKNQs
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You'll notice that Bill O didn't say that the Chris Wallace show is one of the highest rated Sunday shows....that's because it's DEAD LAST and has been since it's inception. Even Univision beats them. I'm not trying to denigrate Univision. It's just that it's the Spanish lauguage channel and they're still stomping on fox. I'm only sorry that Gibbs or someone other than Obama didn't just point to their shitty ratings as the reason Obama would not appear. Either way, I'm glad the Whitehouse isn't taking anymore of their crap! I hope he never goes on fox again.
What about boosh sending Helen Thomas to the back of the room like a naughty girl?
Every year I ask Santa for the same thing, his list of naughty girls.
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See right there is where you got it wrong. You should have asked Larry Flynt.
Well, Mr. Goldberg.
If 22% of the people who watch Faux News are independents, why don't they just change the channel? Surely, if they are "independents," they don't just watch Faux News, do they?
Obama is simply boycotting Faux the way that O'Reilly boycotted France at the start of the Iraq war. Wasn't that "immature?"
more like the way France boycotted the Iraq war?
Goldberg: I think the guys at the White House, the political guys at the White House, say, 'You know, you have a couple of people here on this network who if their lips are moving, if their lips are moving, they're bashing the president.'
it isn't that faux news 'bashes' obama (i welcome that), its that faux news lies about obama and his policies. big difference.
Rev. Wright every Sunday morning.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Neener neener
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Why is bandwidth being wasted on these two imbeciles?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Speaking of bandwidth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ns8t9iQck
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Anyone see Will Ferrels perspective on Health Care Reform?
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/p...
C&L: I believe you mis-heard Bill. He wasn't saying (admitting) Fox was "immature"...he was talking about the WH. The "them" is the WH. I'm not defending him, I just think you heard the piece incorrectly. He's still a "pinhead".
You're missing the point: Goldberg specifically explained that the White House was dropping to Fox's level by "playing that game too." If that makes the White House immature, then by nature it makes Fox immature too.
Izze any relation to doughy pantload?
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OK, a drunk Irishman and a reactionary jew . . . . Where's the horny bishop and the punchline?
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
Ok, a drunk Irishman, a reactionary Jew and a horny bishop entered a Bennigans and before long the Irishman was passed out in the bowl of peanuts drunk stiff, the Jewish guy stiffed the bartender, and the bishop was busy stiffing the teenaged wait staff.
Here's some reading for bill o'really
Acts 5:1-18
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YSB, you're soaring to new heights! HBO awaits!
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
And if you throw in the Italian guy with anger management issues the entire joint will be stiffs.
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A Jew an East Indian and a "colored fella" walk into a bar.
Bartender looks up and says "get the hell out of here'.
*rimshot*
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
More like a spittoon shot.
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For me a rimshot is going to the bathroom and missing.
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that no Obama, his admin, Dems in general should not appearf on Fox is that Fox in no longer a credible news source. Why not just give interviews to Weekly World news, The Enquirer, or World Nut Daily? Because none of them report news, just lies and inuendo, with the very rare exception of hitting the mark.
Fox is no longer credible due to endless evidence of lies and trying to manipulate the facts to their own bias.
They are not "News" in any way, shape or form. Merely propaganda for the right and no sane person should treat them as anything but nonsense.
I agree. oliar and goldshits what liars and scum.
I had trouble getting the site all morning. I was getting worried.
cheny is a fascist and bush is an idiot. Those things are facts. Just like fox being the propaganda arm of the corporate gop.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Jonah Goldberg...never a good whale around when you need one.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
heh heh
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
They've wallowed in the mud for years and think liberal posters like me, who had many a harsh word for Bush and Cheney, are the MSM.
It's their network that promotes their garbage. It's their network that pays the price for it.
And saying 22% of their viewers are "independent" is nothing more than self-delusion. I doubt any of those people have ever voted for a Democrat, and deep down they know it too.
We've all seen childish behavior. Defending yourself by saying others have done it is a cop out.
It's nice of O'Reilly to finally acknowledge that the treatment of President Obama by his network is immature.
You're dreaming. O'Reilly acknowledged no such thing. To do so would require a degree of self-awareness he doesn't possess.
In his mind--in the Fox Bizarro World--Fox is fair and balanced, and Obama deserves every shot they take at him. Obama's the unfair one for not showing up to take more punishment in person.
President Obama was absolutely right in not going to FOX. Forget FOX. The fact that they were upset is of no consequence. What are they going to do, bash Obama? How would that be different than what they do now?
O'Reilly lies (again) when he says there are anchors that don't bash Obama. Every single one of them always, always, have negative stories about Obama. They may not be manic about it like Glenn Beck, or mendacious like Shannity, but they are always negative.
If Obama would have gone on FOX, I would have questioned his judgement on trying to placate an implacable jerk that is FOX. I would have questioned his judgement in going to FOX where they would have attacked him, insulted him, and demeaned him. Not only on the Chris Wallace show, but all subsequent FOX shows to follow in the following 48 hrs, with video no less.
Mr. President, you have no need to court these jerks at FOX NEWS. You don't have a need to go there. Ignore the bastards, let them cry.
ALEJCARO
EFF these two clowns.
So Goldberg essentially admits that those who watch Fox do not get their news from other stations ("boycotting Fox is boycotting their viewers"). No wonder Fox viewers are in such a reality bubble.
When is our government going to start treating FNC and their holding companies accountable for all the Hate and Anger they've stirred up over the last 8 years? Between the O'Reilly's, Beck's, and Limbaugh's.....they regard anyone BUT their fellow republicans as their enemies. and even then, they will gladly turn on their own...at the slightest sign of "Liberal" weakness. just ask Bill'O, he will 'Pinhead' and 'Nutjob', anyone...ANYONE. A couple years ago, I started talking online with an injured Iraq Vet who unfortunatly was a diehard neocon.....needless to say, after he learned I was supporting the Obama campaign, he cut off communications with me....with the exception of the constant hateful and threatening emails( which lately have become MORE hateful and threatening) How much longer are we going to be treated like this, in our OWN country?
my sympathies. Your former Vet friend is deluded and angry, using you for target practice.
Of course it's always okie dokie for Fox to be immature and unprofessional. Never mind that Bush and Cheney would ONLY give interviews to Fox. Not going on Fox means you're refusing to play their little games.
Give me a break, maybe Shepard Smith doesn't bash the president regularly, but the rest do. I don't understand why any Dem. ever goes on that station. Cheney and Bush chose Faux over all others, so why ya crying faux?
Funny how, at the end of the interview, Goldberg neglects to mention Vice President Cheney telling Senator Pat Leahy, on the floor of the Senate, to go f--k himself.
Obama's finally on to something here. Keep snubbing Fox. I'm sure it trashed their ratings when he interviewed with everyone but them. Keep it up White House! They're gonna smear you daily anyway, they're gonna keep sponsoring the anti Obama rallys, they're gonna keep cheering on Glenn Beck with his more outlandish than last weeks' Anti Obama fantasy du jour .....so screw em.
Wah! Wah! we are not going to air your speech we are not going to cover you unless you do as we say yadda yadda yadda do these Morons ever stop whining and crying. Other than a few sound bites provided on the Internet I never ever watch the Racist Nazi Fox News (Noise) Network (Nitwit work). These Racist Nazi are slanted and based to the point of the ridiculous, besides their owned by a Racist Nazi from Australia, a true Hate Monger of America and the Free Press.
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