Bret Baier's All Star Panel gets frothy over Rep. Joe Wilson and "racism accusations"
The FOX News gasbags were all up in arms over the Dowd column and hey, you can always count on the All Stars to justify all wingnut behavior, no matter how hideous it is.
I can't believe Maureen Dowd's column garnered this much attention, but it has and is forcing Fox to try and dispel the charges of racism. Stephen Hayes should look at the background of Joe Wilson before he says it's disgusting to bring race into his outburst. Mr. Confederate flag was only showing his true colors.
Transcript via an email from Bob Fertik:
Bret Baier: Don't you have to be careful when you level the charge?
It's such a blunt object, when you say "racism" is a big charge.
Stephen Hayes: There is absolutely zero evidence that saying You Lied to the President of the United States had anything to do with race whatsoever and it is a disgusting smear for anybody to suggest that.
It is a sad day when a columnist in the NY Times can just imagine that
somebody is saying something, literally putting words in her mouth. She
prefaced the statement by saying "fair or not I heard him say 'You Lied
Boy.'" That's not fair. As a journalist, you can't imagine people saying things, you have to criticize them based on what they actually say and he didn't say this ...
Krauthammer: The accusation of racism is a sign of desperation by
people who know they are losing the national debate and they want to hurl the ultimate charge in American politics.
This is dealing from the bottom of the deck and I agree that it is a
disgusting tactic. It's done as a way to end debate. The minute you call someone a racist the debate is over, you don't continue. Accusations of racism are the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel.
As for Maureen Dowd imagining a word that wasn't said, in my previous
profession I saw a lot of people who heard words that weren't said. They were called patients and many of them were helped with medication. The reason she won't be and others who are hurling the accusation is because it's a deliberate attempt to change the subject and discredit the opposition with unprovable and unproved ad hominem.
Juan Williams is pretty useless as usual. However, he did manage to knock down Bret Baier's stupid attempt to find equivalency between the people who questioned George W. Bush's legitimacy -- who did so for legitimate reasons, considering Bush actually garnered fewer votes than Al Gore -- and the "Birthers" and other conspiracy theorists attempting to undermine Obama's.
But the whole discussion was a classic Village exercise in self-protection. If you're not seeing racism on display in this country now then, you're not looking very hard.
Yes, some of the protests are by right wing Americans who didn't vote for Obama, but there are far too many zealots seriously going bonkers over the race issue. Let's face it: All these Nazi and Hitler signs are a way to be racist, but without putting color into the mix. It's just as odious, I might add.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The facts are are in tell me I didn't see what I saw or hear what I heard. This Racist Nazi has got to go down. Boycott South Carolina. Sure when I here the Closet Queen hannitty, or the white Racist Supremacist dobbs or the Dur Addict White Supremacist blimpbaugh. not counting the other KKK, Nazi White Supremacist, White Trailer Trash Faux Noise Nit WIt NOISE net work.
These Nazis are caught with their pants down, the RACIST NAZIS of the Right Wing WHACKO PArty hss got to go. I'ld correct the spelling but I would illimnate over half of the functional illeterate right. Sure hope there are enough mistakes I want to keep them happy and Ignorant.
..does NOT make him a racist. Being a bigoted cracker who would like to see the old south rise again is what makes him a racist.
lol
Charles "I got a stick in my *ss" Krauthammer is on the Fox Network and it's overall minority viewership, but majority of right wing nut cases in this country.
No no NO. You Fox idiots. Yelling "YOU LIE" at a black president wasn't the racist part. The racist part was that the redneck good ol' boy refused to believe that it says 'no illegals' right there in the bill when that's exactly what it said. The pathological compulsion to decide 'whatever the black guy says, the truth must be the exact opposite'.
Right and wrong means nothing to these mental defectives, they keep making shit up because it's working.
Facts cannot be trusted by 'True Believers'. And 'True Believers' can't even be trusted to investigate the facts.
with a "deep seated hatred of white people."
Are these jokers friends and defenders of the beck?
Krauthammer did say, "Accusations of racism are the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel." It's perfectly acceptable for conservatives to level charges of racism, apparently.
communism....wasn't there one more "ism" they were using?
autism?
Marxism!
Totalitarianism!
can't even be original. I believe the original statement is "Patriotism is the last refuge of the Scoundrel".
Another Chicken$hit liar.
"I beg to submit, Sir, that it is the first."
I think it is the first. Tho Religion, too, is a really safe refuge of the
scoundrelCriminal.... is an actual response. I think the original quote comes from Samuel Johnson, and Ambrose Bierce had the snappy reply.
Sorry Charles...you get to win the Pulitzer by plagiarizing others only once.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I have been accused of a deep seated hatred of white people right here at this site! I take that as a badge of honor, that is, to make it clear, that I am so accused with such a gentlemanly Chief Executive.
So because some of the idiots aren't
self-recognizedracists we can't talk about the racists at all?"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
If they hang around with Racists, and use the Racists' tactics and words to oppose a Black President, well, then they ARE Racists, no matter how loudly they deny it. The louder they howl and stomp their feet, screaming they are not racists, its the dark-skinned "Others" who are racists for wanting equal rights, well -once again, prooves they are Racists. And real stupid. Dumb as Dirt. Dumb as a bucket of rocks.
Racist chicken$hits.
to these clowns for Glenn 'Armed Revolt' Beck to call the President of the United States a racist though.
... did not and still does not have any facts to back his assertion, we're left with:
1. He's a hot-tempered, ill-mannered racist lout.
2. He's a hot-tempered, ill-mannered idiot.
But OF COURSE it's not about race. I suspect your hoods are on backwards and you can't see what's in front of you.
either uninformed - and therefore a lousy "representative" or lying and therefore unethical.
Obama was lying: http://www.strike-the-root.com/92/davies/davi...
you are a liar and racist.
I looked through your horrible blog.
It was a good reminder NOT to click on links.
I don't have a blog.
So Mr. Krauthammer you are winning the national debate? I would like to know how you come to that conclusion. Is it the 66+ percent of people want a public option in the reform bill? Was it the 70,000 no, 1,000,000 no, 2,000,000 no, the zillion people who showed up for your racist, Fascist, corporate hate fest last weekend? Or is the Democrats have enough crooked Senators, that are on the take from the health care and big pharma industries that make you winning the debate? These ass hats really believe that just by saying something makes it true if it is true or not.
By their calculations, they won all the debates leading up to the election and the election itself.
No wonder people are so outraged. If all you watch is Fox News, by their accounting, the Republicans and the Right are winning everything all the time. So the news that Obama actually got more votes must have come as a complete and utter shock.
When you're in lock-step like a good brownshirt, 'winning' can be defined as simply making sure the other side doesn't get what they want. And our political system permits this any number of ways -- most notably in the senate, and its filibuster.
There are house democrats as well who are hanging on to very slim victories, and are simply afraid of doing what is right. They value their jobs more than they value the health of the citizenry.
The recent article at CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.h...
...shows that you have a 40% higher chance of dying if you don't have health insurance. And then there is even the rather pernicious tactic of delaying your coverage until you die -- even when you've got coverage!
This parasitic capitalism has to be dealt with. And if the democrats can't get their act together, then we simply need to get new democrats.
more trusted by Democrats than the New York Times.
Per Pew Research
Imagine that.
The tide is turning.
I haven't had the pleasure in such a long time! You are the dennis of several years back, are you not?
A staunchly conservative think tank. What do you know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_Research_Center
Look at the whole thing, dennis. 53% of those identified DK (Don't Know)/Can't rate the NYT , with an 8% unfavorable rating, while those same people DK/Can't rate Fox News at 21%, while 36% of them give Fox a UNFAVORABLE rating.
What we're talking about here, I think, is a matter of exposure.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... I follow St. Ronnie's advice: trust, but verify.
Don't you?
Only a fool would inhale deeply of the conservative wisdom that oozes out of FOX News without any critical thought at all.
The concept that discrimination can be based on "race" presupposes the existence of "race" itself.
WASHINGTON - Eric Holder, the nation's first black attorney general, said yesterday that the United States is "a nation of cowards" on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues.
Stephen Hayes: There is absolutely zero evidence that saying You Lied to the President of the United States had anything to do with race whatsoever and it is a disgusting smear for anybody to suggest that.
I believe many, many people fail to search honestly for the cause and you can call me a racist... because I deplore religion for the very reason, I believe it enables Racism quite clearly in my eyes and mind.
PS. I would say Mr. Neiwert pointed out what I would consider circumstantial evidence
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/obama...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Such as signs at health reform protests that read: "There is a lion lying in Africa, and there is an African lying in the White House!"
Circumstantially, that says this person doesn't have a racist thought? Sure, it does!
Lets make sure we are talking about "Joe Wilson" and "Joe Wilson" only, OK.
Now why do you think I linked to Mr. Neiwert's thread?
In part:
Circumstantially - cir·cum·stan·tial
1. Of, relating to, or dependent on circumstances.
2. Of no primary significance; incidental.
Was Wilson seen with ""There is a lion lying in Africa, and there is an African lying in the White House!"?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
See below. Cirmstantially, the evidence will mount up.
If it becomes enough to say the proponderanc so indicates, will that be enough, or do we need to use the higher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt?
"will that be enough"... be enough for what?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
that he is probably a racist. He won't come out and say it.
... I believe (your mileage may vary according to state laws) that civil suits are based on a preponderance of evidence, whereas criminal cases require proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
I am using the standards as an analogy only. I just wonder how much needs to be shown before those who deny it is racism can be convinced otherwise. Some can never be convinced because they shut down they're analyzers at the first hint that they may be wrong.
... I think he is, but why, I'm not as sure of.
racist - ra·cism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
The meaning [racist] can be used in so many damn ways and I have a hard time truly understanding it without factuality... absent a preponderance of factual evidence. My indifference comes in knowing some people do possess and or project greater [character or ability to treat others with just respect].
I So wish for (On a global scale) what Rodney stated"...
Rodney King simply stated..."People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything. We’ll, we’ll get our justice....Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out."
I believe you'll find most of President Barack Obama's detractor(s) are Caucasian and of a different religious understanding. Are their any others, such as African American, Latino or Asian... yes! So what does that tell us? Is it simply because of his skin color? I don't think so.
You watch and see, every road block to date and going forward can factually be linked to religion...(It's a fact this health-care opposition is not simply because of his skin color)...yet it's overlooked why? Because they're not to judge... yeah, right! :-/ And on it goes, retarded by religion. While they pick and choose from theories to make up their minds, I choose to rely on the facts before making my choices. When I've failed to wait for the facts on any given subject, I've often found myself mistaken. The more facts the better, to derive an accurate answer.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
... I'd have to say I've encountered people who do a damned good job of imitating racists and demonstrating race hatred.
But because there are people who are hard of hearing as well as prejudiced, my objections to Rep. Wilson's outburst are:
1. A breach of decorum of House rules.
2. No factual support for his allegations.
That being said, is Wilson a racist? Considering there are no facts to support his claim, and that his anger was such that he shouted out in the middle of a formal joint session of Congress, it certainly speaks to something being amiss.
but it is only a matter of time that "facts" will be elucidated.
Just like his claim that he was an Immigration Lawyer. The fact is that he never handled one case involving immigration. He was a Real Estate Lawyer.
He is the one that is a liar.
He probably supports statements that the President is a racist. We will see, and it will be soon!
rush and beck were calling Obama a racist a couple of minutes ago, right Baier?
either a animatronic puppet, or some kind of evil cyborg from the future.
is a cripple. And that's factually, and also as an ad-hominem. I mean it both ways. I don't care for the man or his sneering opinions. And he slanders/sneers Maureen Dowd by essentially calling her a 'mental patient'. Hey Charles, at least she can walk around! (Yes, there I go again). I just can't help myself. He just makes me do it. Yes, that's it, it's his fault. Ole melted nose.
"Krauthammer: The accusation of racism is a sign of desperation by
people who know they are losing the national debate and they want to hurl the ultimate charge in American politics."
Losing the national "debate"?
Oh that's good Charles.
"debate"
LOL!
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
As a daughter of the south, I assure you the only word he left out was "Boy". He probably said that too under his breath.
I'd love for an expert to do a sound analysis on this incident and separate out Wilson's voice so we can clearly hear exactly what he said.
"Inheritance determines a diversity of traits, some visible, some not."
→ http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
My brother sent me one of his typical smarmy emails after "'bama's Van Jones" resigned, calling him a despicable truther and making some digs at me for my similar beliefs that the Bush administration lied and obstructed the investigation. I replied that everyone knows the truth that our elected republicans are a-holes, as well as incompentent idiots, racists and lying hypocrites and crooks. His response was that it is "always the bigots first to cry racism." So I asked him what NWA stands for, seeing how his original subect line was "NWA DOA." No response from my brother wit attitude.
Now I ask you folks. Would you consider this a racist comment?
"a country that started with a bunch of white subhumans out to steal the land from human beings of color.
When you all admit that the white genes are the cancer of the earth, maybe you will find a cure for yourselves."
What is your conceptual, continuity?
anus!
Want to go around again. You are not worth it!
And if someone calls you on it, they're the racist?
How does that work? Explain that to me.
You have in the past repeatedly made comments like this one above. And when you do, you don't direct it at any one particular group of white people. It's always white people in general.
One more thing. I dare you to go back through the archives here and find one comment like yours that I've made. Just one.
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What is your conceptual, continuity?
don't feel very good when it's aimed at you does it chicano2nd?
one day wonder!
chicano2nd I have used my friend's account here before and viewed posts here without commenting for a long time. Once again how does it feel to be accused of being a racist?
comments, you would know that I expect to be called racist, it inspires me. Every time I bring up the occupational beginnings of Amerryka, those small minds immediately attack the very notion. And they try to call me racist for defining myself as Chicano.
There is a much larger world out here that dispels the vacous minds among the occupied population, which incidentally now includes you, that deny Manifest Destiny.It is to be expected.
You von what the crap don't know anything of the mestizo experience, or you wouldn't persist in exposing the vacuum, not the air, but the vacuum, between your ears with your dumb-assed question.Do you know what pysc-ops are? Guess what nation used it on its own population?
How does it feel to a smart ass with your pants pulled down?
You constantly ignore the fact that it was the Spaniards who conquered and settled Mexico.
It was the Spaniards who explored into Calif, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. And settled there.
Ever hear of the War of Independence in Mexico. You Know? Sept 16th?
Just read a damn history book.
How does it feel to be ignorant?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
It's time to start calling these people out for not only being racists, but even more for not having the guts to admit it.
You guys wield that racist card like it's a sword or some kind of super power. Wonder Lib powers, activate!
Bret Baier: "Don't you have to be careful when you level the charge? It's such a blunt object, when you say "racism" is a big charge."
Totally unlike, say, the "fascism" charge, or the "Marxism" charge, or the "Nazi" charge that Fox News uses to pummel Obama 300 times a day.
I suppose the difference is, there's truth to the racism charge, so it hurts more.
LIE(v): "speak falsely," O.E. legan, ligan, earlier leogan (class II strong verb; past tense leag, pp. logen), from P.Gmc. *leugan (cf. O.N. ljuga, Dan. lyve, O.Fris. liaga, Ger. lügen, Goth. liugan), from PIE base *leugh- "to tell a lie."
If you look up the definition of 'lie', you find an interesting conflicted definition. As one who studied philosophy, I am prone to call something a lie if it is untrue. And someone who utters a lie is, by definition, a liar. However, there are people who insist that a lie is only a lie when there is INTENTION to deceive. Which, of course, begs the question: Why do we have the term "intentional lie".
The reason I bring this up is simple. When Bush was lying, the far-right insisted that it wasn't enough that he uttered an untruth. We, on the left, were told that we had to prove that he INTENDED to deceive, else he wasn't a liar. Their argument was: As long as Bush believed what he was saying was true, he wasn't lying -- even if what he was saying turned out to be false.
But when they're the minority, as is typical of them, they shift the goal post. Now, it doesn't matter if there is intention to deceive. It doesn't even matter if there is untruth! It's now proper to call someone a liar so long as you THINK they are lying. And that is just hypocrisy.
And as one who participates on forums far and wide, I can show these buffoons plenty of examples on the internet where racism is alive and well. I have seen things posted recently that I once thought we had moved beyond in this country. And for these idiots at FOX to ignore this fact is anathema. If they would come out of their studios and participate in the real world for a moment, they'd realize that the racists of the country have become much more openly vocal -- which, I suppose you'd expect with the election of the first non-white President.
Maher hit the nail on the head when he said that the Democrats Have Moved To The Right and The Right Has Moved To The Mental Hospital.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuCqtJR6vU
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