Frank Luntz Focus Group picks Obama the winner in the 2nd Presidential Debate
By John Amato Friday Oct 10, 2008 12:10pm
I'm a little late with this because we put so many videos up Tuesday and Wednesday, but Frank Luntz on the FOX News post debate show ran another one of his focus groups with swing voters in Arlington VA, and they resoundingly picked Obama.
He communicated his message and he got to me.
He spoke to the person, the voter, myself instead of the intangible things he actually said this is how I'm going to help you and this is how much it's going to cost.
He wasn't snide, he answered his questions. There was seven different times where McCain just didn't answer the question, but when a head and answered something else. And McCain kept making snide comments about Obama himself.
When Luntz said that the group thought McCain was better on the economy, Brit Hume was flabbergasted.
Hume: But they agree that McCain did better on the economy?
Luntz takes another hand count.
Frank: Half of them...
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lost his job yet?? Whatta putz!
PS - Frist
When I saw the "some programs may need to be cut due to economy" on the bottom of the screen I thought of the irony of it being on "Fox News". Meaning some "programming" may need to be cut due to the economy or some of their viewers finaly getting the kick in the head they needed to wise up and stop drinking the kookaid.
Art VanDelay
http://www.showyourthoughts.com
We all know that it only takes one McCain supporter to form a consensus.
When Hume asked if McCain did better on the economy, he seemed to be asking with an air of surprise as though it were very unlikely. When Luntz asked for a show of hands if McCain did better on that topic, there's NO way half of those hands went up as Luntz reported.
They did whatever they could to make it seem like 1) Obama may have won the debate but it doesn't matter or 2) McCain won the debate, the voters are just dumb.
Jon Stewart was right. "Fox News: The world is unfair, and we're becoming mentally imbalanced."
McCain's Even Trailing in Hypothetical Race Against ‘That One’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3827
That doesn't look like half to me. Maybe that's why Republicans keep messing up the economy, they don't understand fractions. Time to call in the video professor and a special MS Windows tutorial disc for Mr. McCain.
About four people in the group raised their hands for Grandpa's bullshit economic plans and ole skunk top claimed that was half!
Poor Frank....the truth is so discouraging.
That One/Biden 08'
"when a head" should read "went ahead".
over and out.
BullShyt hand gestures....
Frank Luntz: the other GOP cancer.
It looks like the economy is doing just fine for Doughy Pantload Junior.
I counted 22 people in the photo on the econemy vote. 7 of the 22 thought McCain did better on the economy. And he called that half of the group. Hillarious!
So just under 33%. Man that figure seems to present itself a lot.
one in three Americans is a moron. What isn't clear is whether that number is increasing or decreasing over time.
They're probably remaining about the same. All that's needed is for the GOP to disenfranchise an additional 18% of the voting population who actually have a cerebral cortex.
There are three kinds of Americans, those who can count and those who can't.
That was my count too. I guess they figure most of their viewers are too stupid to count.
That wasn't even close to half, let alone "everyone" as Luntz first claimed. What a lying schmuck.
Maybe 1/2 dozen. Republicans have a problem with basic math.
You just don't understand economics. If you keep dividing by half you eventually will get to the number of people who raised their hands, hence it's half (of half of half of half) of them. Simple.
When you lose Brit Hume, you've lost your face. I mean base.
i know luntz is a word man, makes his living off of finding the most acceptable words to describe a bad idea, so he would appreciate that i think the work DORKWAD was invented to describe him.
nice to see him using the fox news math (1/8=1/2, 1/4=1).
2 + 2 = VICTORY!!!
Well shit! Now we find out that Luntz can't count. No wonder his polls always seem so different from all the others.
It would be interesting to hear directly from those who thought that McInsane was better at the economy, when he himself had admitted on numerous occasions that he didn't know beans about economics. Just what he had done previously to earn such trust, or is it that they are frantically searching for some kind of mysterious talent of his that has yet to surface? And from reThugliCON talking points, I thought that McPow's strength supposedly lay in national defense. Silly me.
a contingent of the repug party that salivates when lied to about tax raises ("read my lips"). They equate those lies with being "strong on the economy". Don't look for anything deeper than that.
Now it's public: Bush claims that the central front on the war on terror is not Iraq after all - but Afghanistan.
I hope these two morons get the memo before they embarrass themselves further.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg
The central front of the war on terror right now is Wall Street for a lot of people.
You're smarter than me POP, but to me the central front on the war on terror for us "colored folks" is at any McCain/Palin campaign rally.
Yeah, well there's that too. Hell, I'm am not a "colored folk" and I wouldn't get anywhere near one of those groups. I'm one of those "liberal folks" so they scare me too.
what the f&ck?
Facts don't matter on Faux News.
See below for who the undecided voters still are:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml...
Would you buy a used toupee from this man?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10troope...
luntz just makes shit up
fox can hire me...i can make shit up too
I'm sorry Uncle Joe, I couldn't lie that bad if my life depened on it.
I have no faith in the American electorate. You guys seemed easliy distracted by buzz-words and catch phrases. 'Defeatocrat' 'Hussein Obama' to name but two.
Something is going to happen; some new lie or scare tactic or dirty trick and McCain will be your next President.
The only way we can lose is, like the last time, is if it is stolen by electronic machines.
You've got the wrong site for the criminally gullible friend....try, Red state, Fox, Drudge, etc.
There is no way half of the hands in that room went up when Brit asked if McCain did better on the economy.
That was great how Brit asked it also, even he knows their boy...sorry, crotchety old gasbag...is in over his head and has nothing but this game of guilt by association.
People like McCain, Palin, Hannity, and that lot just won't be happy until someone shoots Obama. I honestly hope Hannity drowns in an oil slick for all of his lies that have just gone too far this time.
I'm beginning to feel like this guy today on this site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE
)O(
He knows the next president already has been dealt a losing hand.
Here's reality: Obama will win. Within a few days of his victory, the world will demand of him a plan to save the worldwide economy.
If he issues some platitudes. If he says, "We need to study this problem." If he says these things, the world markets will collapse. And will continue to collapse.
Yep, its already happening folks, watch as the delusional try to set up Obama as to blame for the economic collapse.
I have news for you, trollmasta trollalot, the world markets are already collapsing.
"... resoundingly picked Obama."
Bwwaahahahahahaha!
Excuse me.
Bwwaahahahahahahahahahaha!
luntz just makes shit up fox
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 13:43 — uncle joe mccarthy (not verified)
luntz just makes shit up
fox can hire me...i can make shit up too
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Could you put in a good word for me?
Wait a sec we're talkin' FAUX
Okay how about a bad word?
)O(
Ask those people if they think McCain appeared to be sane and see what they say.
if you thought McSame got lost more than once up there tonight."
Did anyone see the SNL skit they did about the debate last night? It was funny as hell as the guy playing McCain was just wondering all over the stage while the Obama guy was trying to answer a question.
I also counted 7 of 22 raised their hands on the last question.
With Faux News doing the math I guess McCain leads Obama by 10 points in the polls
Listen, when Fox news picks a "random" sample, you can bet it will bias toward the Republican side. It's hilarious, though, to see how even with their bias, they can't stem the Obama tide.
Is the same debate where the audience could only choose between a Democratic and a Republican? The same debate where the heads of the debates had been formerly connected to the Democratic and Republican parties and as a consequence made sure that third party and independent and socialist candidates would not be present in order to hold Obama's and McCain's feet to the fire? Since this obviously was indeed the case, then the audience was not really able to hear other points of view which would enable them to determine which candidate was acting in their best interests. Until this takes place, it should be acknowledged that these debates will continue to be viewed as a sham and a chimera.
Who do you think could win against either of the two?
Ron
You seem to have missed the point of what I had written. For example, Canada recently held debates regarding who will be governing their country. Representatives of five diverse points of view were seen and heard on those debates on national television. One finds it astonishing that the same thing is not being done in what purports to be the best democracy in the world. One strongly suspects that citizens of other countries would be shocked that debates which are held in this country are conducted only between the representatives of the Democratic and Republican parties. To put it mildly, this is not the way a democracy is supposed to work. Americans should be allowed to hear other points of view, either from third parties, for example, or libertarians, independents, or socialists. Even if those other parties or candidates are not elected they could certainly exert influence over the majority party. But that is not done seemingly because those who control the debates wish to ensure that only a Democratic or Republican should be given the right to express their views while shutting out those voices which threaten the duopoly of power in this country.
http://www.stinque.com/2008/10/10/talibunny-i...
I wish I could trust these right wing pundits and smear artists, but I don't. This is not the time for Democrats to let their guard down. We mush push our advantage home and not let up. We cannot breath easy until Obama is sworn in.
The Republicans are going to do everything in their power to steal this election around the edges. I really wish the the real Republicans would kick out the neocons and religious fanatics and reclaim their party. I have heard and seen decent conservatives but they are not the ones in power.
A governor of one state who supported McCain, said today he was rethinking his support because this wasn't the John McCain that he knew.
He endorsed John McCain in the presidential primary, but now former Republican Gov. William Milliken is expressing doubts about his party's nominee.
"He is not the McCain I endorsed," said Milliken, reached at his Traverse City home Thursday. "He keeps saying, 'Who is Barack Obama?' I would ask the question, 'Who is John McCain?' because his campaign has become rather disappointing to me.
"I'm disappointed in the tenor and the personal attacks on the part of the McCain campaign, when he ought to be talking about the issues."
Milliken, a lifelong Republican, added that the notion of Sarah Palin becoming president of the United States is "appalling," and lamented his party "moving toward rigidity."
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Author Christopher Buckley, the son of William F. Buckley, offered a hearty endorsement of the Democratic candidate today. Given that Christopher Buckley remains a columnist for the National Review, this was not at all expected.
What's more, Buckley has known McCain personally for more than a quarter century, has defended him, and has even worked for him. But he's seen enough to know that Candidate McCain hasn't earned his support.
[McCain] said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, "We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us." This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget "by the end of my first term." Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?
What's more, Buckley seems to think highly of Obama, too, lauding this "first-class temperament" and a "first-class intellect."
Obama has in him -- I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy "We are the people we have been waiting for" silly rhetoric -- the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.
www.washingtonmonthly.com
Thank you so much for finding that and posting it. I heard it on tv today but didn't hear all the details. It's pretty telling, isn't it.
and telling it is!! THANK GOD FOR SMALL FAVORS!
Why would you wish to rust right wing pundits and smear artists?? Personally, I'd like to assist in educating them on advanced interrogation techniques (NOT torture).
Chris Matthews did a segment tonight about how the McCain campaign is firing up the nut cases at his speeches. There was a guy on his show, and happily I've already forgotten his name, who was defending the McCain campaign. This guy was so weak and made such an ass of himself that it was amazing. He sounded like a little kid trying to defend something. It is little wonder why sane people are waking up and backing Obama.
That guy can't count. That was not half the room claiming McCain did better on the economy. I saw maybe 4 or 5 hands go up giving McCain the vote.
O/T
Not sure I like this new format for posting comments with the stacking replies. This is what happens at Huffington and at DailyKos and that's why I don't post there that often. It gets difficult to follow the thread. Other than that, the new look is nice.
It's obvious from the video that less than half voted for McCain by raising their hand. But, even if half had raised their hand how would that translate that the group preferred McPOW? I was never really good at math but even I know that 50% is not a majority. Why anyone including idiots would watch FOX will never cease to amaze me.
At the end of this clip, he asks how many thought McCain did better on the economy and about 4 people raised their hands, and the guy says HALF OF THEM?! WTF WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?!
Fuck you, Frank.
Luntz takes another hand count.
Frank: Half of them...
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We're doing this "half" thing again?
Can't trust that Faux News math...
I don't think he can count too well. On that last show of hands based off of Hume's pleading for more "McSame won the debate" leading question, I only saw 7 or 8 hands come up. I'm no expert in Math and Science, but I'm thinking there were more than 14 or 15 people in that "focus group".
The other thing that was funny was the first 5 or 6 people Luntz asked about "who won" were all in support of Obama. That was a hoot thinking of all the McSame campaign officials expecting big help promoting his performance. Too funny.
I think it's a foregone conclusion that McCain will tank in the polls once again following his horrendous debate and the disastrous week of "inciting domestic terrorism" which he's had.
I'm not surprised at all; in fact, he was given enough rope to hang himself which he did, as did his sidekick Palin. Now they're both labeled as "unamerican" "criminals" and "incitors to violence and death threats".
What I find most telling, however, is that after striking the match to the tinderbox of terror, McCain tries to step back before those sparks engulf him but it's too late for the two of them. When he tried to act civilized and request his rabid base to do so, guess what? He failed.
They booed him and began exacting violent gestures toward him for trying to put out the fire he ignited on Monday, and Tuesday, and Wednesday, and Thursday....4 days of feeding that fire and now it's going to go out because some old grandpappy says so? I think not.
McCain takes full responsibility for these criminal death threats because he actively incited them and did nothing for 4 days to stop them.
If he expects us to believe that he can handling keeping this country in order when his intentionally ignited terror rallies erupt in violence every day, it's time for this guy to take a hike.
His rallies are ending in chaos and violence every day this week. This man can't even get his "buddies" and "cohorts" under control - how could he ever dream of bringing control, law and order to this country?
This campaign stunt not only did not work; this campaign stunt has disqualified him from the presidency in a HUGE way.....by showing to us what and whom he really is - He's a homegrown domestic terrorist enabler. He's no longer anyone's "hero".
John McCain has gone down in flames...flames of total dishonor...flames of his own doing.
It's one thing to try to paint someone as a terrorist due to some loose affiliation he once had when that protestor was rehabilitated; it's another thing all together to act like a terrorist 5 days at your own rallies....spewing disgusting innuendo and vile rhetoric. What end result did McCain expect? Perhaps he isn't even mature enough or intelligent enough to imagine that for every action there is an equal reaction.
For every hate-filled sentence Palin uttered with her intention to incite violence, violence was incited in the hearts of the people hearing it.
What did this idiot expect? A peace march and rally when he and his pitbull are up there spewing racial slurs? A peace march when they're up there acting like domestic terrorists while trying to paint someone else as a terrorist?
At what point did they become the terrorists themselves? You can never discuss race without making a bigot out of yourself in the process; you can never discuss religion without being divisive. You would think that McCain would be smarter than this....but, evidently, he doesn't have a brain in his head at this point.
It's simply the law of action/reaction and McCain and Palin share equal responsibility both under the law for this criminal behavior as well as in the hearts of the american people.
We will NEVER FORGIVE THESE purveyors of terror for what they have done to this country this week - never!
Frank can only see "dead in the brain" people! everyone else is just an obstacle.
I think that it would half that raised their hands, but there was an old lady back there slapping those hands back down.
It's like I suspected about a year ago.
Obama's lead has actually been in double digits for ages now, it's just that the MSM could not bring themselves to report it.
Their bosses didn't like the uncomfortable truth.
But now, the current GOP administration, the current GOP candidate and the current V.P. candidate have seen to it that the GOP's position in general is quite untenable, both on the issues and on the personalities.
They are toast - burnt toast.
The smell is unmistakable, so the MSM are forced to tell the truth.
Brit didn't look happy. Notice that his speech was somewhat slurred? Drinking or stroke?
There's nothing quite like Brit Humes sulking unhappily.
Frank Luntz is the worst America has to offer. He is a traitor.
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