Joe Lieberman joins in on the 'is Obama a Marxist' question.
I've been trying to ignore this jerk lately, (it seems McCain has kept him off of the TV screen. Probably bad internal polling numbers) but it's time I did a little update because one of the benefits that we'll all receive if Obama wins the election will be to see Joe Lieberman get his reward for betraying Obama and becoming McCain's side kick just to save a dying political career. Maybe he'll even get a job as a FOX News analyst. He does join the FOX News, right wing chorus when he says:
NAPOLITANO: Hey Sen. Lieberman, you know Barack Obama, is he a Marxist as Bill Kristol says might be the case in today’s New York Times? Is he an elitist like your colleague Hillary Clinton says he is?
LIEBERMAN: Well, you know, I must say that’s a good question. I know him now for a little more than three years since he came into the Senate and he’s obviously very smart and he’s a good guy. I will tell ya that during this campaign, I’ve learned some things about him, about the kind of environment from which he came ideologically. And I wouldn’t…I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.
He knows full well Obama is not a Marxist.
And Digby has more.
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, one of John McCain’s closest political allies, said Friday he does not believe that Barack Obama is unprepared to be president.
“I’m saying he is less prepared than McCain,” Lieberman said.
But what about Sarah Palin?
Is she ready?
“If, God forbid, an accident occurs or something of that kind?” Lieberman said. “Um, she’ll be ready. You know, she’s had executive experience. She’s smart and she will have had on-the-job training.”…
“[McCain] is ready to be our president at this very difficult time,” Lieberman said. “And Sen. Obama is not as ready. It’s as direct as that.”
Why do I have the feeling that LIEberman would french kiss Hitler if he could?
So he chose the next best thing: Bush
Reminds me of the joke with the punchline: "Guess who I just had lunch with!"
This man is a liar and an idiot. Idiot is what the I in his name stands for. I hope that he has a very short career left. Down with joe the idiot lieberman!
Seriously, I think there needs to be a congressional investigation into whether or not JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not acually saying that JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST.
I would never say JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST without some proof. But of course Joe Lieberman is much farther to the right than I am; indeed further to the right than MOST Americans.
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST.
I'm just saying we need an investigation to determine whether of not JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST.
You know, so we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, whether or not JOE LEIBERMAN IS A FASCIST.
Oh... and while we're at it, maybe we can ask him when he STOPPED BEATING HIS WIFE!
Isn't almost everyone is to the left of Lieberman at this point?
Sorry Senator, you're all out of Joementum.
according to the holy one, the dem party changed in a matter of 2 years
the fact is, joe has never truly been a dem....it was the only way he could challenge an incumbent
a very good freind of mine, who used to be an advisor to pat moynihan told me right after joe won the first time, that this was the worst thing for the dems, as the senate was trading in a liberal republican for a conservative dem, which would cause the repugs to go more to the right...he was right
Dont'cha mean joeism?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
after being put in the corner of the senate for the next 4 years?
however, when i read about 50k being purged from the georgia voter roles, it makes me wonder if the fix still isnt in...and holy joe knows it
no way would a man who lied his way back into the senate behave like he doesnt care about his political future....right?
cuz if mcpenguin loses...holy joe is done
The Democrats will continue to allow Lieberman to be Chairman of the powerful Senate Homeland Security Committee and he will also be allowed to remain in the Democratic caucus. After the past eight years of watching the Democrats cave in to Bush's un-Constitutional reign by "going along to get along", they won't rock the boat by doing anything to AIPAC's darling boy.
As much as we, and particularly the people of Connecticut, would like to see him go down in flames, ain't gonna happen.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
if so, i will never vote for a dem again
im serious
it will be third party candidates from here on out
i already changed my registration to independent after the fisa cavein
i hope you are wrong
im also hoping that both pelossi and reid lose their leadership positions...they suck ass
Yeah. I was having a lovefest with Kucinich and gave him money. Then Nader. Gave him money too. I had a one night stand with McKinney because of her support for a new investigation into 9/11. Didn't give her any money.
I decided to vote for Obama after I was read The Riot Act by every person I know in L.A. I heard him give a speech about supporting the Constitution one night and after two martini's (Koolaid??) I sent him money.
Then I voted absentee for Obama and had the envelope sitting by my purse ready to mail about a week ago. I listened to one more Youtube video by Nader about how rotten the Democrats are regarding their constant caving to their corporate and AIPAC masters and had the tea kettle going in order to steam the envelope open to change my vote.
But I figured, "Oh, screw it. My measly vote for Nader won't help."
The Democrats under Obama will continue the wars in the Middle East. They'll just move the action into Afghanistan and Pakistan and possibly into Iran. The recession will deepen. The FISA spying legislation will stand along with the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act.
And yes, my dear, Lieberman will be forgiven because they need his vote.
We all get Third Party fever about this time each election cycle. But, we get over it.
Signed,
Just Another Stepford Caving Democrat
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
There is no way they will continue to allow Joe to hold that chair. His baby is about to be gone forever...and that is why Lieberman is sucking wind now about Obama not being such a bad fellow after all.
Joe may caucus with the Dems, but he does not sit with them, and is not welcome.
Though I’ve said this before, it’s worth repeating…
“The time for honoring yourself will soon be over, Senator.”
Gladiator :)
LIEberman trying to walk that fine line again.
He's a typical prostitute...suck any cock...so long as he can still get paid.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I disagree that he is a prostitute and with John's supposition that Lieberman is trying to revive a stalling political career.
Holy Joe wants one thing: Continued war in the Middle East. And that is where he and McCain are best buds. That is the only thing Lieberman wants. War with all of those icky A-rab countries.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Lieberman ever signed onto any of the PNAC papers, letters, etc?
No MsJoanne, his name does not show as one of the original signers of the PNAC Statement of Principles. I am even surprised!
Over the years, there have been many signers on varied PNAC documents and letters. The original signers were only some of those who bought into their American Empire by force bullshit. (Some of the names shocked me, frankly.)
I wish I had saved copies of all their documents before their website went bust. The only one I kept was the big one...the New Pearl Harbor (read 9/11) manifesto.
This guy really makes me want to puke. I am so sick an tired of people like him defending Palin; and this "executive experience" crap really makes me ill.
Croaky ol' fucker, get ready to be consigned to the anals [sic] of political history.
I'll bet he's not a real plumber either.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
question I'd like to see some interviewer ask Lyin' Joe Lieberman is how he feels about the fact that McCain thought Palin was a much better candidate for VP than Joe himself. That sort of question's gotta hurt anyone who can remember what newspapers they read.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Thanks Conneticut!
It's primarily the CT Republicans you're thanking since the Dems in that state made it clear they supported Lamont. But don't forget to thank all the DNC and all the big Dems who refused to support their own parties candidate and backed Lieberman instead. Lamont could've won with DNC support.
and he's a dickhead, too.
it's well deserved. my lack of eloquance isn't so eloquant. way to go.
at this point in the canpaign, mccain is on the way out, with a week to go lieberman is going to burn the very last bridge.
Let's hope that the Democrats are able to get a super-majority in the Senate and then if they have any balls, they can censure him.
"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" .. George Orwell
Tar and feathers would be more fun.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
and the elephant he rode in on.
"...but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America." Uh, Mr. Liarman, I think you are going to find out that you got the first part right, but the latter part wrong come November 4.
On the job training? What happened to being ready on day one? What if something should happen to McCain before Palin completes her training course?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Potty training?
“[McCain] is ready to be our president at this very difficult time,” Lieberman said. “And Sen. Obama is not as ready. It’s as direct as that.”
"P.S. - I'm a f***in' idiot, in case you didn't already know"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTJbqKuDDM
If he's there...and Mcsames not....who in hell is wispering the answer into McBush's ear???????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
No, Lieb, that's as direct as a gutless worm like you are willing to BE.
Only a republican could vote for a sniveling goober like this. Big "thanks", Connecticut, for not getting rid of this clown when you had a chance.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Lieberman will probably join the Republican party after Obama wins and the Dems have 60 seats in the Senate.
so what if he gets a minority chairmanship
unless he is hoping for the dems to screw the pooch, and he gets back into power come 2010
but in 2012, he will lose his seat, as every dem in ct works against him
then he can retire to israel
If the Democrats get to the filibuster proof sixty seats with Lieberman, then he'll have them by the balls. Reid will mend the fences in order to keep the 60 votes together and Lieberman will probably get a sweet deal out of it. If the Democrats somehow get to sixty one seats, then old 'Holy Joe' will be out on his ass, like the sack of trash that he is. So I'm praying for 61.
I'm for tossing the turncoat out regardless of how many seats the Dems pick up.
He gambled on McCain and lost. If Harry doesn't kick Lieberman out, then Harry should be forced out.
...he's never at the meetings!
joe hitched his wagon to the wrong cowboy, er, maverick wagon train.
"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need." - Karl Marx
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
wish it could...but it doesnt
It was the rule of the monastic orders for centuries before the modern era.
Somebody should point out to Loserman that the model he's disparaging has been one of the keys to the 'success' of Israeli hegemony in Palestine: the kibbutz...
If Trotsky had succeeded Lenin as planned, it might have been different.
Stalin was not a Marxist.
Tito probably did the best, but it was still ugly.
...you might think "is Obama a Marxist" a "good question".
But anyone whose knowledge of Marxism begins and ends with that one quote that "newscaster" asked Joe Biden, I can understand how one might not be able to tell the difference.
Should I start digging up quotes from Fascists that sound decidedly Corporatist... er, uh, "Republican"?
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
"Fascism should properly be called corporatism because it is the marriage of corporation power with state power" - B. Mussolini, 1929
And talks like a fascist.... then maybe, just maybe....JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST
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Because we're all in this together, [Deleted. Abusive. Play nicely, please. Thanks! Site Monitor].
Because the doctor and the engineer wouldn't have their privileges and power without the infrastructure, to which all contribute.
Even one of capitalism's greatest advocates, economist J. Schumpeter, believed capitalism was doomed to be undone by its own (marx called'em) internal, "immanent contradictions," aand would inevitably be replaced by socialism of some sort...
Jesus, please send smarter trools?
go home.
Shouldn't that be phone home?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
You have a pretty myopic view of things, to think that there is some core group of diligent workers who are towing the line for rest of the great unwashed, ungrateful, lethargic masses. Your assumption that recipients of redistributed income will spend it on drugs is classist as it is classless. Unrestricted free-market capitalism is unsustainable and hurts the regular working man. It will ALWAYS unfairly stack the cards in favor of the wealthy.
No one wants to take money out of the hands of the hard working engineer or doctor. Or the hard working fry cook or sanitation worker for that matter. We're talking about recalibrating the tax structure so the onus is on the people who can afford it most.
First off, no one is talking about taking Bill Gates' millions and giving it to the people. It's about FAIR taxation. Slightly raising taxes on the richest 300,000 people, slightly lowering them on the remaining 299,700,000.
Secondly, anybody who is in a high bracket--which I am--knows, you get heaps of write-offs so you never pay your "bracket" rate. I never pay more than 17%, whereas someone who does the quick form pays their full rate. And you can assume the more write-offs you have, the less you'll pay.
Thirdly, the 25% that someone making $25,000 pays hurts a lot more than it does to someone making $300,000.
Fourth, by "spreading the wealth," Obama simply means the MORE people who are doing well, the better we'll all be doing. This is common sense. More people bringing home slightly more money is will be more likely to help the broader economy than a handful of billionaires, who are more likely to spend their money in New York or sink it in an off-shore tax haven.
What happened to the Soviet Union and China?
Christ, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, kid.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
et- You really don't have a clue do ya? Obama isn't talking about giving your money away, he is talking about a tax break for working stiffs. I don't make 200,000 plus a year, and I have watched my wages go down the last eight years. For the rich in this country to have to pay a little bit more so the working middle class of this country can get a tax break, and maybe get their wages to at least stay even in this economy is a good thing. I am one working stiff who is going to vote my pocket book this time.
diamondmc
getting sick and tired of this 'redistribution of wealth'shit. Obama never said those words. he said 'spread the wealth',which to Me is good old capitalism. Jebus! I'm gonna tear my hair out in 3..2..1
Chris Matthews is saying that one of the top guns in the McCain campaign called Palin a "whack job"
The McCain campaign is seeing what we've all seen for a long time now.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Why doesn't someone ask holy joe if a kibbutz is Marxist?
Did anyone ever ask Marx if he was a devotee of Henry David Thoreau?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
to make. I used to live in CT and I voted for Joe-twice. To all of America I aplogise and humbly beg your forgiveness.
forgive yourself.
I will.
Okay, Joe, so America is about the most Right-Wing country I can think of. And Obama is to the Right of most of the world's leaders. So if he's Marxist, where does that put countries like New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, France and Australia?
On paper, they have the highest quality of life in the world, but in reality, they're living a Commie nightmare. It must be just an illusion that they're free and democratic.
He's completely lost his gauge.
Obama's words and actions indicate that he isn't a Marxist, but I guess you never know for sure. Right Joe?
Say Joe, speaking of being "ready," get ready to lose what's left of your influence in about a week.
The Repugs are really getting desparate, calling Obama a Marxist! What era do they think this is? Why don't they just call him a wife beater and child molester while they are at it! What is another lie.
And besides, what do you call the redistribution of my hard earned money to a bunch fat ass financiers so they can still try and give out multi-billion dollar bonuses? Socialism? Corporate Welfare? They may call it a bailout, but it is still redistribution of wealth.
And by the way, Joe Lieberman is a turd!
Obama voted for the bailout dude.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Obama isn't the one screeching about "socialism" and "redistribution of wealth."
There are other ways to argue that Obama is not socialist who wants to re-distribute wealth, I just wanted to point out to bigmike that bringing up the bailout is not a good way to do it.
and actually more democraps voted for than bailout than repukelicans did.
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good bye
What else could he have done? Voted against it, and driven a wedge in the party? Most Democrats where voting for the bill, should Obama, who is the head of the party running for president have gone against the party? Just wondering.
diamondmc
I think all this socialism nonsense started with the bail-out of Wall Street. It was not the bail-out itself, but discussions on how are we gonna pay for it, and will we allow bailed-out corporations to continue with the multi-million dollar salaries to their failed CEO's who keep their golden parachutes? They also don't like the possibility of new regulatory acts to prevent such disasters happening again paid for by taxpayers money. They also don't like the idea of treating the taxpayers as investors in their company.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Nov 5, 2008. Joe's last day as a psuedo democrat.
my mother if to the left of you, and she's an asshole.
YOU have ZERO credibility since electing this sycophant to office.
How dumb are you people?
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Lieberman can suck a big bag of d1cks.
Goodbye Joe.
"...he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me..."
And who doesn't?
Is he serious? He claims Obama is not qualified, yet asserts palin IS qualified???? Is he serious??????
Somebody needs to make a video clip juxtaposing Lieberman saying: “If, God forbid, an accident occurs or something of that kind?” Lieberman said. “Um, she’ll be ready. You know, she’s had executive experience. She’s smart and she will have had on-the-job training.”…
With John McCain on the stump yelling "This is no time for a president who needs on the job training!"
These political "leaders" should be totally ashamed that they are trying to foist the likes of Gov. Palin on us. Has there ever been a running mate more ignorant on the issues than Gov. Palin? Every person who has said that Gov. Palin is capable of being president has zero credibility from this day forward.
"one of the benefits that we'll all receive if Obama wins the election will be to see Joe Lieberman get his reward for betraying Obama and becoming McCain's side kick just to save a dying political career. "
Sadly, I fear that won't be the case. If the Democrats don't get 61 in the Senate, they'll still need the slime-bag to break Republican filibuster. (And my guess is that, after the election, the remaining Republicans will be so pissed, they'd filibuster apple pie.)
Lieberman has been a sock puppet for the GOP and Bush for umpteen years now. I will always remember him doing his noddy dog routine when Bush was spewing his rhetoric.
Lieberman: Ah, good to be back after the election, isn't it Barry?
Obama: What?
Lieberman: I said...
Obama: You said Barry.
Lieberman: Well that's your name...
Obama: Joe can call me Barry. Jack can call me Barry. Most senators can call me Barry. YOU can call me Mr. President or SIR.
Lieberman: Oh shit..
Obama: What?
Lieberman: Oh shit, SIR.
(Probably won't happen, but it's nice to dream.)
Some ask is Joe Lieberman is a fascist. Its a good question.
We’ve learned some things about him, about the kind of environment he is working in ideologically. I’d hesitate to say he’s a Fascist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the right of me and I think mainstream America.
yes, indeed. Some do ask that question -- do you think JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST? And I always pause and think, well, what IS THE DEFINITION OF FASCIST? Some say fascism is the MERGER OF CORPORATE AND STATE POWER. By that definition that would be all NeoCon Republicans and of course their pet democrat JOSEF LEIBERMAN
The soggy Motza Ball no longer fascinates except as a repeating sledgehammer repetition of rousing the need to puke over and over again.over and over and over and over. What's the point?
We know what he's going to say before he says it for 8 years and counting. Worse than not accepting the death of Elvis Presley and celebrating his birthday and going on a televised tour of Graceland with your head in a vise.
If we don't know the nature of the beast by now we're stone stupid, to have it repeated ad nauseum makes me mewl with boredom.
"…I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist.."
Really? Many of us wouldn't hesitate for one moment to call you a traitorous, Zionist douchebag.
me-oww!
I'm Jewish, and Lieberman is no help to Jews, Israelis or anyone else for that matter. He's an absolute self-serving embarrassment. It was sickening watching him win the Connecticut senate race a couple of years ago as an independent. What was the people of Connecticut thinking???
I agree. His extremist views about the middle east are terrifying. His warmongering efforts to have unsubstantiated claims and inflammatory rhetoric about Iran in legislation does not have benefits for anyone. He just inflames situations.
He is a yellow bellied coward. He received deferments during Vietnam. Pushed hard and lied a lot a long with the Bush administration about WMD's in Iraq. He is more than willing like the rest of these thugs to send your kids to a war based on a "pack of lies". But sure as hell does not encourage his own children, relatives or friends to put their lives on the line for this illegal and immoral war.
Question for you Joe (and all other smearmongers): would Colin Powell endorse a Marxist (or someone leaning that way) for president?
You're talking logically.
Joe is such a Dick!
over executive experience any day of the week.
Remember those Enron EXECUTIVES?
Sarah Palin is cunning, but NOT wise.
The media is turning on Obama because of Biden with that West Woman.
I think he is trying to undermind him.
The internal polls are down 9 or 10 points. I think it's over that!
or this web site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs
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TURNCOAT JOE LIARMAN!!!
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
I heard that Joe is a treasonous Neo Zionist bitch but you did'nt hear it from me. Bowsa Bowsa Bowsa Droopy
... is one doughy, jowly, ugly SOB, isn't he?
Not to mention a slimy Zionist and a traitor to the Democratic Party he's supposedly served all these years ...
Isn't it weird to think that he was on the Dem presidential ticket only eight years ago?
Lieberman is on the way out and has to know it. I can hear that quavering voice now: "I hesitate to say he (Obama) is a Marxist..." Right, Joe, but you don't hesitate to plant the thought in people's minds, do you?
I had a debate with an acquaintance recently. He says Lieberman's endorsement of McCain is no different from Powell's of Obama. All of my thoughts about Lieberman's having spoken at the GOP convention and appearing on the campaign trail with McBush got nowhere. Never mind that Powell stayed in the background until he thoughtfully laid out his reasons for backing Obama. "I don't see the difference."
The difference is a decision based on principle and one based on opportunism. Having Senate Dems spank and exile Lieberman will be poetic justice.
Really?
Zeppo, Groucho, Chico, Harpo and Baracko?
)O(
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
What really bothers me about this cocksucker, is that a few years ago Joe needed Barack to endorse him for one thing or the other and Barack did give him the endorsement and now Lieberman has no problem shoving a HUGE knife into Barack's back! FUCK YOU , you weaselly piece of shit, when you get yours (thanks to Karma)I only can hope that no innocent folks are standing near your sorry ass!
Let's hope and pray Lieberman gets the Boot. He deserves it.
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