McCain calls Obama a Socialist, but McCain voted for the Bail Out and wants to spend government money on the mortgage crisis
By John Amato Sunday Oct 19, 2008 1:59pm
John McCain attacks Barack Obama as a socialist because of his tax policy and because he wants to help the entire population, not just the wealthiest of us pm FOX, but when Wallace reminded the Senator that he voted for the government bail out of Wall St. and wants to bail out bad mortgages using government funds he said that " oh well, I'm just trying to help."
He makes our case that government should be used to assist this country when it needs it. And the talking point about socialism is another desperate measure by John McCain. He really makes no sense at all. He flip flops from being a conservative to a populist to a socialist from sentence to sentence.
WALLACE: But you did it indirectly, so let me ask you for some straight talk. Do you think that Senator Obama is a socialist? Do you think that his plans are socialism?
MCCAIN: I think his plans are redistribution of the wealth. He said it himself, "We need to spread the wealth around." Now, that's one of...
WALLACE: Is that socialism?
MCCAIN: That's one of the tenets of socialism. But it's more the liberal left, which he's always been on. He's always been in the left lane of American politics.
WALLACE: But, Senator, when we talk...
MCCAIN: So is one of the tenets of socialism redistribution of the wealth? Not just socialism — a lot of other liberal and left wing philosophies — redistribution of the wealth? I don't believe in it. I believe in wealth creation by Joe the Plumber.
WALLACE: But, Senator, you voted for the $700 billion bailout that's being used partially to nationalize American banks. Isn't that socialism?
MCCAIN: That is reacting to a crisis that's due to greed and excess in Washington.
And what this administration is doing wrong, and what Paulson is doing wrong, is not going out and buying up home loan mortgages, home mortgages, and giving people new mortgages at the new value of their home so they can stay in their home.
They're bailing out the banks. They're baling out these institutions.
WALLACE: But you voted for that.MCCAIN: Of course. It was a package that had to be enacted because the economy was about to go into the tank.
Transcript below the fold:
During the — during the Depression, we had a program to take care — where they went out and bought homeowners' mortgages, and then over time they even made money as the values of homes began to increase.
If we don't turn — the housing market was the catalyst — the greed and excess, and Fannie Mae and Freddie, which some of us proposed legislation to rein in — the Democrats were in charge of Congress for most six — for the last couple of years, and they did not act, and so — and Senator Obama did not act.
But the point is that, of course, when a — when a — that's the reason why we have governments, to help those who need help, who can't help themselves, and when time of crisis to step in and do what's necessary to preserve the lives and futures of innocent people.
It wasn't Main Street America that caused this. It was Washington and Wall Street.
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I respect Chris Wallace just a little bit more after seeing that.
FOX News and Chris Wallace see the handwriting on the wall. After enabing these "pro-America" f*ckers who have run our country into the ground now they are are in "save our own ass mode" and, like McCain with Bush, FOX is now trying to distance itself from McCain and all things Rethuglican....or at least for once trying to appear "fair and balanced". They know its going to be a landalide in Nov and they are trying desperately to rebrand. Don't be fooled.
I hope Chris Wallace and FOX News go down with the ship and the rest of the Republican rats on the SS GOP.
Totally agree. They're a part of the problem for why this country has gone down the direction it has. Ratings first at the expense of any truth. Fox and Co are worried that when Obama gets in, they will be frozen out entirely of the Whitehouse. It's ironic that McCain's credibility is tanking and now they decide to put on a so called hard hitting interview with him. It stinks to high hell and I'm not buying into any of it because that network is rotten to the core and deserves to go down in flames.
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I myself, disagree with Obama and McCain, this bailout should not have been passed.
My senators, voted no, Democrat and Republican,
My rep voted no also and he is a Democrat. I applaud all three of them.
I do not agree with McCain on a lot of issues, but out of the two, I disagree with Obama more.
to call Republicans out on bs lately. Is he another rat leaving the Republican ship?
Just remember: when Republicans do it, it's helping Americans. When Democrats do it, you're a socialist.
Mind you I don't think McCain knows what socialism IS, but then that's to be expected. And just how does McCain square the notion of favoring smaller government with the government bailing out banks left and right? And hell, the notion of the government helping those who need help makes him sound like a New Deal Democrat!
Of course, we all know who he thinks needs help, and it sure as hell isn't Joe the Plumber.
Since Joe the Plumber fell so flat on it's face for McCain, they've concocted a new meme of socialist charges. Frankly, I thought McCain's crew had a bit more finesse and intelligence to realize that people know what socialism is all about and what McCain voted for in the bailout is precisely that - government ownership of private business.
If that's not socialism, ala Republican style, with George Bush and Hank Paulson leading the charge, then I don't know what is.
This charge could have veracity and been launched legitimately if their dude, "that one" hadn't voted for it himself. He lost that argument when he cast that vote. Sorry....people today are smarter than we were 8 long years ago. We've learned the drill.
It has veracity because he's lying about Obama. McCain and Obama both voted for it. McCain is criticizing Obama for his views yet McCain is voting towards those views. If he supports it only when it's convenient to do so, it's simply him doing so because he doesn't want it to bite him in the butt later on. If McCain hadn't voted for the bill, I think it wouldn't have veracity.
Someone should bring out a dictionary or an encyclopedia and explain to McCain and the rest of the Republicans what exactly is Socialism. There is a huge difference between Socialism and social programs. Maybe they don't want to have paved roads, schools, police or garbage pickup. Instead of calling it Socialism, why not call it what they really want to call it...help for the poor. I know many working poor, but Republicans believe that poor people do not work, do not contribute to society, thus are not entitled to any help.
Of course the right wingers can't even define socialism- it's just a buzzword like calling a person a 'communist'.
Joe mcCarthy would be proud of modern right wing filth...
iq not high enough to comprehend
epic fail
After all, IOKIYAR.
McCain's just showing voters how little he has in his quiver right now by trying to spin this as somehow Obama's "problem". If that's the case, then he shares the problem because he just voted for the largest government purchase ever - the bailout.
McCain's a nutbag at this point - of the "mixed nut variety". One day he's an almond, the next day he's a cashew. Sadly, the many faces of John indicate that his mental abilities have gone totally bye-bye.
If Obama's a socialist, then so is John McCain and so is George Bush.
There's nothing like a gang of fools who circle jerk themselves and forget to use some critical analysis before they blast off their mouths.
If McCain had voted against the bailout, he could make this argument and have it make sense. Since he, likewise, supported the bailout, this argument only makes him look like a blabbering moron.
This argument makes him look like a blabbering moron because that is exactly what he is. He speaks straight doubletalk.
that's some serious coverage.
"Thats the reason we have government, to help those who need help, to help those who cant help themselves..." Isnt that welfare you moron? John McCain has truly lost it and has no idea what he is talking about.
Exactly. Since when did socialism become such a dirty word? Socialism WORKS because it understands that the government is there to help people, which helps society as a whole. However in Republican-land, socialism is EVIL and must be ERADICATED.
Bizarre.
that socialism is supposed to help people. Unfortunately, the notion has been sullied by its associations with communism and deliberately smeared by greedy plutocrats and industrial heads who don't want to give up their assets-assets which they could ironically afford to make do without.
Sadly, the upper class's ad campaign and the generational lag leftover from the McCarthy Era means that regardless of its good or bad points socialism as concept and policy is irrevocably tied to the bogeyman of communism, and more than a few people will be spooked into submission at its mention.
surrogates should start letting out this name once in a while. the repubs talking point for the week is socialism. the democrats should counter that the repubs are again spewing traces of hate baiting of the commie kind.
Soialism became a dirty word when it became tied to "Communism". Basically, McCain is channelling the ghost of McCarthy and calling Obama a commie.
to accept authority.
Want to rebel?
Don't do it.
Fuck 'em. All.
So........socialism is AOK when 'the banks' are going under but not so much if you or one of your kids is. Hmmmmm. Let me try again.
It's AOK when the banks.......
Nope. Once more.
It's AOK.....
Wait, let me early vote for McCain/Palin and then figure this all out.
Pure, unregulated Capitalism is "AOK" right up until it threatens to bring down the economy, at which point the "purist capitalists" lose their religion and ask the government for a bailout with the leverage that their fuck-up is soooooo huge that it will hurt millions of people for many years. Then they all retire to their yachts and private island condos with the billions they made from unregulated Capitalism.
Meanwhile, the average citizen suffers through a tough recession/depression and has to work his ass off to survive and revive the economy.
Dickensian, ain't it?
It's not a bailout, see, it's a disbursement made to wealthy people who run their businesses into the ground because they're ENTITLED to help when they fail. Rich people with bad judgment should get the help they need because they're not leeches like those unemployed welfare bums. They're good, honest, upstanding citizens with eight-figure salaries who HELP THE ECONOMY so they deserve assistance when they mess up.
I swear to God, this is exactly how they think. This hurts my brain.
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10% of our tax funded fiscal BAILOUT of wall street will go to secure a $70,000,000,000.00 pay and bonus deal...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/1...
E L I T E
S O C I A L I S M!!!
Rob the poor...
... To profit the rich!
R E V E R S E
ROBIN HOOD!!!
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What we need is a Robin Hood for this generation.
I have the picture!
The Congress made those poor banks lend to all those miserable despicable poor people who then couldn't pay their loans. Well of course not, some of them actually were poor. But then a lot of them became poor because they lost their good manufacturing jobs that went to China, or Indonesia or wherever.
Then those nice Banks all went belly up because those nasty poor people didn't pay their loans.
Never mind that 60% of foreclosures were refinanced mortgages. Never mind that the real estate industry knew they were selling and encouraging liar loans. Never mind that they sold ARMS with resets they knew people couldn't pay.
Never mind that they knew they were inflating property valuations to increase their fees.
Never mind the accounting and appraisal fraud.
Never mind the fancy financial footwork dicing, slicing and repackaging those loans. Never mind the unregulated Credit Default Swap market where a $1 of real estate turns into $10 of gambling for the investment crooks.
Never mind that the $700 billion to bail the gamblers out is only a starting number, it could be a lot more than that.
Never mind that supposed protections for the taxpayer in that plan are only suggestions, with no teeth.
Never mind that we are borrowing the $700 billion or a Trillion or two Trillion, whatever it turns into.
Never mind any of that.
It is the poor people's fault, round them up and abuse them some more by talking about how bad Socialism is.
And while you're at it let them starve or die outside of Emergency Room on the curb. That 'll fix 'em.
I have the picture.
The desperation is palatable.
Did you mean "palpable" or were you being funny?? I do think it's kind of palatable, in a Schadenfreude kind of way.
God help the world if John McCain rebounds and is elected on the basis of this new Joe The Plumber ideology.
My Christ, is the intelligence and ability to comprehend so friggin' limited by Joe Average American, that this is the type language they can relate to?
I've never heard or seen a President get elected on the strength of the Vice President. Don't you understand each of their roles? Or is it, they are all hoping, McCain keels over and Barbie becomes Prez.
If that's the case, and majority rules......then there are more crackpot in the USA than sane people and with that, should the rest of the world feel safe?
There's been a VOTING ALERT about early voting states and malfunctions nationwide on touch screen machines.
IF YOU WANT YOUR VOTE TO COUNT, DO NOT VOTE ON A TOUCH SCREEN MACHINE. OBAMA VOTES WERE PUT INTO THE MC CAIN COLUMN EVEN THOUGH VOTERS TOUCHED OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.
INSIST ON A PAPER BALLOT AND DO NOT ALLOW YOUR VOTE TO BE CORRUPTED.
THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, FOLKS SO PASS IT AROUND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
**EARLY VOTING STATES HAVE EXPERIENCED EITHER HACKED MACHINES OR MALFUNCTIONING TOUCH SCREEN MACHINES. DO NOT BE 'HAD' AGAIN BY THE REPUBLICANS AGAIN! ASK FOR A PAPER BALLOT.
Go to www.bradblog.com or www.blackboxvoting.org to read about the latest irregularities being reported in early voting states. Insist on a paper ballot.
I live in DuPage County Illinois, a notorious Republican hot bed where the Election Commission is in bed with local Republicans. The Commission's scandalous behavior has been featured on Bradblog and Black Box voting. Their supposedly non partisan public relations consultant (paid over $40,000 per year), Jim Curry, is paid by the Commission and has his own web site where he regularly slams Democrats and voices his approval of Republicans. Also the legal counsel to the Commission has donated thousands of dollars to local, statewide and national Republican candidates. Unfortunately there are too many in this county who don't know these facts. We are trying to get the word out so that people will request a paper ballot. The sad thing too is that only one local journalist is reporting this about the Commission
Yes, and look at the "socialists" who are supporting Obama: Warren Buffett, that sworn enemy of capitalism, and Colin Powell, that troop-hating commie.
...and don't forget the librul left wing rag the Chicago Tribune that prior to Obama has never endorsed a Democrat for president.
Amurika hating socialist commie libruls the whole lot of them. Thank God we have John McCain and Sarahsuccessionist Palin putting country first and holding Amurika together.
...John "I love me some terrorist G. Gordon Liddy" McCain that is. McCain, his Caribou Barbee and his would be American law enforcement terrorist assassin Liddy are all that are keeping this country free and God fearing! Thank the baby jesus for them!
Has any Republican used the phrase "Joe the Plumber" this weekend yet? Republicans have a history of grabbing a phrase and beating it to death but this one just makes them look stoopid.
and I fear we have not heard the end of Joe the Plumber.
McCain is doddeling fool. He can't present a logical argument without contridicting himself in the first sixty seconds. He doesn't even know what he is saying. His earlier admission that he doesn't know a lot about economics is true, but he can't even present a rational argument that makes sense on an elementary level. Even someone that knows nothing about economics would not speak this contradictory in the space of a minute or two. Apparently, he can't concentrate, comprehend or communicate. He is simply TOO OLD or TOO DUMB. Take your choice.
When somebody finishes nearly fourth from the bottom of their graduating class, no matter where they graduated from (including any Ivy League school), they are dumb. I am afraid to know what the other guys who had worse grades than McCain are doing.
He's all over the place. Someone really needs to rehearse their talking points. Or maybe take a day or two off to actually think about the words drooling out of his mouth. What a mess.
But John, Fascism is also a form of Socialism
McLame is a moron. Anyone who votes for him (or any other repug) is also a moron. nuff said.
Or racist. Or crooked.
"I believe in wealth creation by Joe the Plumber."
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Exactly how much "wealth" has this hapless not-really-a-plumber created, Senator?
What a joke.
This by tristero at Digby:
This is what the whole socialist thing is...trying to label Obama a communist. But it has lost it's meaning to anyone who is not old enough to remember the cold war in fearful detail. So people espouse SOCIALIST, SOCIALIST and have no fucking clue what they are saying - other than Rush O'hannity told them so.
I find it amusing, in a sheesh-what-a-bunch-of-fucking-idiots kind of way.
I wish Obama was MORE socialistic. We deserve socialized medicine (no matter how dirty a word it is) where everyone is covered and just goes to a doctor when they need to. People in this country should not be starving or homeless due to the greed of the captialists who offshore their jobs and fuck the American workers. We need more people who are truly nationalists, and not people who say they are. It is like saying you support the troops and leave it at that. Give them tax breaks for creating jobs here. I have been saying that for years and years. How stupid does one have to be to not just give tax breaks to all corporations.
Yes, we need more socialism...something by and for The People.
Well said, Joanne.
What happened to the edit button??
Here's the link to Digby...read the whole thing. It's very good.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/social...
Racist,
Evil
People
Using
Blind
Loyalty,
Ignorance,
Christianity
And
Negative
Sloganeering
for McCain
Socialist is as socialist does.
My GOD this McCain guy has the intelligence level of an amoeba (no offense to the amoeba). All he can conjure up as a talking point is this phony GOP SHILL. The GOP are once again being obvious as to their allegiance to the HAVES of this nation... as if these last 7 years have not proved this very same trait displayed by GWB that us on the left screamed about... I am really quite fed up with right-wing Americans.
There's nothing wrong with a little socialism. Most of greatest ideas came from Europe, this is just another one.
Most of our greatest ideas...
Typo fix.
You mean like the US Postal Service ? Or do you mean like the Fire Departments throughout this land? Or perhaps you mean like PUBLIC SCHOOLS... that kind of socialism?
You forget most Republicans either prefer sending their kids to private schools or homeschooling.
Chris tries too hard to be like his father. If he just did his damn job and didn't try so hard to seem like a moderate.middle of the roa guy then he'd be okay...for someone that works at Fox News.
This was a good, tough interview, on Fox.
I'd bet that you'll see him front an Ayers story tomorrow night though thus negating any good work he just did.
If you voted for the bailout...you are a fascist. plain and simple.
There is nothing whatsoever remotely "socialist" about voting to give private corporations money from the treasury of the United States.
McCain't and Quobama both voted for the bailout and thusly hence are both fascists.
Do you ever have anything positive to say or do you whine and bitch about everything and every one? I don't think I have ever seen you say anything positive. I am about to give you a WATB award.
You got me pegged. I'm a bit of a concern troll maybe ...and my problem this time is Cris Wallace and his definition of fascism.
I will be positive and say I'm glad Obama is probly gonna beat McCain't. mostly because a conservative scotus scares me...But they are both on the big corporate payroll payroll.
Obama is five times the presidential Candidate that McCain't isn't. But I wanted Kucinich, Gravel or even Ron Paul and can't seem to get over it. ...SIGH...
I guess I'm votin for Nader or McKinney.
I support public money being used for hospitals and clinics where people can't afford health care, and I support public money to build roads and bridges. Meanwhile, I support public money to pay police, first responders and teachers. Man...... am I bad.
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To my own credit, or perhaps lack of sanity, I actually watched this entire interview. The only thing it left me with was an overwhelming sense of his own ARROGANCE and his ANGER that he's losing this election and his aspirations to become POTUS will never be realized.
He is going to die one very bitter old man.
McCain had so much going for him with his Maverick crap (and he actually was at some point years ago). He could have been that centrist getting all the moderate votes but he opted to sleep with the neocons.
Buh bye McCain...you deserve everything you are getting.
Yep, and the right-wingers never really wanted him anyway. So, he's lost the middle, and now the wingnuts are gonna turn on him. He'll be a pariah.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
If I was incredibly poor, I would think that spreading the wealth around was a good thing.
Capitalism = Wealth is consolidated.
Socialism = Wealth is spread too thin.
Some where inbetween = Just right.
i thought it was:
Capitalism = Wealth concentrated
Communism = Wealth spread too thin
Socialism = Just right
I didn't think the original worked well, either.
FTA: "McCain, have you no decency?"
The answer is a resounding no. Even faced with his own words promising to never sink this low, he looks straight into the camera and basically says to the country, "I have no values anymore. I have lost my moral compass."
This man is pathetic.
It is really quite simple.
Socialist programs benefit the people, such as medicare, social security, and unemployment insurance.
Capitalist programs benefit corporations.
This was the same conclusion that the peeps came to back at the turn of the nineteenth century when there was depression after depression and market crash after market crash. The government bailed out the corporations back then too, but finally they had to get more and bigger wars going to shut people up.
John McCain is obviously taking his talking points from the knuckle-draggers on conservative talk radio. First it was Wright, then Ayres, then ACORN, now this.
McCain wouldn't know "socialism" if Che himself dropped by one of those many houses of his to explain it to him. What a doofus.
And if THIS was "socialism," what was the savings and loan bailout, pray tell? The one that got him into so much hot water?
He gets dumber by the day. How pathetic.
mr mccain has been added to my list of people who I just cant bear to watch anymore. Of course, the list is headed by prez fucksupalot and includes the evil one, limpballs, insanity and oliely.
I cant bring myself to watch mr mccain because he is so pathetic and I hate to see old people deteriorate like that. I hope that after he loses the election, his family will take him out of the unmerciful glare of the limelight that is politics and make him retire for his own health and for the sake of our country.
The others are just too evil or sleazy for a person of good taste and superior intelligence to watch.
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It's socialism for the rich and both chose it.
Getting back to the Clinton tax policies is not socialism.
I've been dealing with these right wingers who think that "socialism" is the root of all evil with the world. They will accuse anyone of being a socialist if you aren't 100% behind free market fundamentalism. They are convinced that Tax = Evil, Socialism = Evil, and that forcing anyone to participate in anything against their free will is Evil.
Boy do they see red if you mention how conservative interventionist foreign policy is SOCIALIST. That simply does not compute with them.
Economy is like ecology. Unless we takes steps to prevent it, the greedy of the world will dump their toxic waste into the public sector until the environment is uninhabitable. The nearest Valley for the Randian objectivists to seclude themselves off from humanity is on MARS.
Tom Brokaw used to be at least marginally fair despite his own obviously biased slurs couched in the parlance of political correctness.
No more! Did you see the way Tom Brokaw immediately sought to discredit Colin Powell in his endorsement of Cheney in an attempt to smear his support of Obama this morning?
It was disgustingly sleazy for a man of Brokaw's supposed stature. I say 'supposed' because just like so many people whose lives and careers are being sunk by the SS McTitanic, now goes the career of Tom Brokaw.
The american people don't need another old, washed up political "hack" running Meet The Press. This is a tremendous disservice to the american people to replace a wise, classy man like Tim Russert with this disgusting, foul-mouted partisan hack.
It's time to bombard Meet the Press for the removal of this hack named Tom Brokaw. He's a disgrace to the american people.
There are citizen petitions circulating since this obvious "hit job" he tried to do on Powell this morning. Sign it and sent it to your friends electronically today.
It goes without saying though that in the process of acting like a pouting partisan old hack in trying to discredit Colin Powell, Tom Brokaw tremendously discredited himself in the process.
If Meet The Press keeps this irrelevant, sarcastic and so obviously bloviating partisan hack on the air, they will lose their credibility with the american people and their show will fall by the wayside.
Write to Meet the Press for the immediate removal of this sick, partisan hack named Tom Brokaw today!
I'll try to find some of the petitions for his immediate removal from hosting the show and link them here.
Big bad Obama wants to spread the wealth around, and McCain & company decry that. If they don't want to spread the wealth around, then you can assume they want to concentrate it instead.
The tax structure he advocates "redistrubutes" the wealth from the many to the few.
Bastards!
This is almost Palinesque incoherence.
John McCain is a white racist and that is the truth. John McCain is also a WAR CRIMINAL, and no “War Hero.” McCain killed innocent villagers like all cowards do from way above the sky in dropping those bombs on women, children, and men. McCain should have been put on trial for the war crimes against humanity he perpetrated during the Vietnam War alongside his scum-sucking pal, Henry Kissinger. Funny how his little butt-sucking boy Joe Lieberman received five college deferments to escape serving during the Vietnam war. The scumbag Joe Lieberman claimed to be an anti-war and pro-civil rights man at that time. Lieberman never said crap about the Weathermen until this election and the irony is that both he and Ayers both opposed the Vietnam war. It is time to call Lieberman on his hypocrisy regarding his opposition to the Vietnam War. Back to McCain. John McCain's views on women's issues shows him to be a typical male chauvinist pig. The right wing has built its base upon racism, sexism, and homophobia. In election after election whether overtly or under the radar, the Republicans inject racism into presidential campaigns before denying and running from it.
It is time to revive the words racist, male chauvinist pigs and their women apologists on the right, bigots on the right, sexism, and, of course, homophobes. McCain, Palin, and all their apologists fit this description (even if they try to deny it--the more they deny and protest it--the more they fit this category). Right-wingers despise “political correctness” because it disembowels their penchant for being bigots, homophobes, male chauvinist pigs, and yes, racists. That whole “reverse racism” has been a right-wing invention to undercut real talk of white America’s history and legacy of racism.
The GOP are running their usual blustering militarist and misogynist presidential campaign with uber-femme fatale, Sarah Palin attempting to outperform all the X-rated porn actresses to show how she can take orders from Big John and the rest of the right-wing crazy fundamentalists and neocon gurus, and of course the fat slob couch potatoes.
Racism is alive and working in the McCain campaign. Black Agenda Report columnist Paul Street wrote a few weeks back that: "A recent Yahoo/Associated Press/Stanford survey found that white prejudice is costing Obama six percentage points in national polls. Six points sounds low to those like me who are canvassing in the white, small-town field. Consistent with my suspicions at least, the USA TODAY poll finds that whites prefer the atrocious, decrepit, miserable misogynist and war monger John McCain over the outwardly hyper-eloquent centrist Obama by 56 to 36 percent! But even 6 points could be enough to de-rail Obama given the closely divided nature of the U.S. electorate. The last two presidential elections have essentially been statistical ties. The GOP ticket is so malicious and dim-witted and the conjuncture is so poor for the Republicans that Obama may win anyway, but his margin of victory will be far below what a Caucasian Democratic candidate could reasonably expect."
John McCain cannot help his racism. It is rooted in his family and their structural racist past. As Salon writers Suzi Parker and Jack Tapper informed America back in 2000, with the article entitled, "McCain's ancestors owned slaves," his "great-great grandfather William Alexander McCain owned a plantation, and later died during the Civil War as a soldier for the Mississippi cavalry."
John McCain is surely an idiot for not knowing about his family history regarding its owning slaves. As Parker and Tapper wrote:
"But what McCain didn't know about his family until Tuesday was that William Alexander McCain had owned 52 slaves. The senator seemed surprised after Salon reporters showed him documents gathered from Carroll County Courthouse, the Carrollton Merrill Museum, the Mississippi State Archives and the Greenwood, Miss., Public Library...I didn't know that," McCain said in measured tones wearing a stoic expression during a midday interview, as he looked at the documents before Tuesday night's debate. "I knew they had sharecroppers. I did not know that....This documentation includes slave schedules from Sept. 8, 1860, which list as the slave owner, "W.A. McCain." The schedules list the McCain family's slaves in the customary manner of the day -- including their age, gender and "color," labelling each either "black" or "mulatto." The slaves ranged in age from 6 months to 60 years....I knew we fought in the Civil War," McCain went on. "But no, I had no idea. I guess thinking about it, I guess when you really think about it logically, it shouldn't be a surprise. They had a plantation and they fought in the Civil War so I guess that it makes sense...It's very impactful," he said of learning the news. "When you think about it, they owned a plantation, why didn't I think about that before? Obviously, I'm going to have to do a little more research."
McCain comes from a family of racists and he is also a RACIST PIG. I am not surprised such a man would go to the low-level campaign he has resorted to. I wonder why the media has not talked about McCain's shady past more often? If they are going to dig into Obama's past, it is more than fair to raise the issue that McCain hails from a Racist Family of origin.
One other thing---Being a "conservative feminist" is like being a "recovered" sex addict who just happens to eat lunch every day at the nearest strip club.
What is JOSEPH the BANKER doing?
Laughing his filthy, stinkin rich ass off!
The printers are a printing at full speed ahead.
ZERO RISK! ZERO DOWNSIDES! ZERO SACRIFICE!
AH, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,!!!
What the doddering old fool believes is socialism is bad, national socialism is good.
I consider myself a democrat socialist (as well as a humanist) like Bernie Sanders from Vermont who appeared on Real Time last Friday night. He was awesome and totally spelled out what it means to be a socialist! It's sad that socialism has become a dirty word in this country. But, alas that is due to pure ignorance. Liberalism is about helping others and just doing the right thing, yet so many people just see us as evil people who are ruining American. That's a shame! Hopefully with Obama's help we'll move in a more progressive manner and with a better educational system some people will open their eyes. I just hope that some dumbf**k doesn't try to assassinate him due to their hate, fear and pure stupidity.
before he was for it, before he was against it...
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Grandmother sues McCain for hate speech
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Grandmother_sue...
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John McCain may be on to something with his spread-the-wealth Robin Hood comments: Robin Hood freed the population from the financial tyranny of oppressive government policies: policies that favored the rich and powerful, and oppressed small businesses, working families, the church and the poor. Robin Hood is a classic maverick. Too bad McCain is not.
http://christiansvoteobama.org
Said the banker and the broker to the President, could you put a little fear in the residents.
http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/educat...
No! Not a socialist! Not someone who believes that society should be organized so everyone has food, housing, education, and health care! No one likes that! If only Obama really were a socialist.
Wallace the Lesser: Senator, welcome back to the program. I'd like to put a quote up on the screen here. This is a quote, Senator, and I want to know if you know who said it.
Wallace the Lesser: Do you know, Senator?
Gone InSane: Well, my friends, I have to say . . . Um, my friends----
Wallace the Lesser: There's only me here, sir.
Gone InSane: Well, I know that, my friends. Let's see. It sounds like a socialist comment, so I want to say Senator Obama, but I don't know for sure. I don't want to attribute something to him if he didn't actually say it. So, don't keep me in suspense, my friends, who said it? Karl Marx?
Wallace the Lesser: Actually, Senator, that was you. You said it, the last time you were here. Explaining why you voted for the bailout.
Gone InSane: Exactly, my friends. We had to do that bailout to protect the American people.
Wallace the Lesser: But, Senator, you said that it sounded socialist to you.
Gone InSane: Well, my friends, there are many words and tenets of the left that can be used when trying to distort. The fact is that Senator Obama adheres to liberal left socialist evils, and I disagree with them.
Wallace the Lesser: So, do you stand by your statement, the one that sounds socialist?
Gone InSane: Of course, I stand by America. God bless the U.S.A. and all that. Why are we going over such nonsense? Isn't this FUX News?
Wallace the Lesser: Yeah, but people have kinda figured us out, and my shrink wants me to address my W complex.
Gone InSane: Your what?
Wallace the Lesser: I have to prove myself to my dad.
Gone InSane: Geez, life isn't fair.
Wallace the Lesser: Tell me about it.
McCain's helping out Keating worked out well for McCain so you can't blame him for wanting to help out again. If there's no punishment for assisting in bank robbery in the past why should McCain think there should be any now. McCain knows that the bailout isn't socialism, it's bank robbery and forcing the peasants to cover the banks losses. I believe fuedalism is the word they used to use for it.
Could this election just be over? My head has exploded too many times.
There's one big difference between me and the others "I won't take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy." [McCain campaign commercial, January More..2000]
"I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers." [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
"But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that"as the previous tax cuts"that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans." [NBC's "Today," Jan. 7, 2003]
When campaigning in 2000, McCain told a crowd of supporters, "I don't think Bill Gates needs a tax cut. I think your parents do."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/perspective/arti...
Next time a Republitard throws out the "Socialism" talkin' point.... ask him/her to define Socialism and Social Democracy, pointing out their similarities and differences... stand back and watch the blank stare of ignorance.
In that time I saw lots of crooked lenders come up with various ways to scam the system. Since John McCain started talking about his plan, I have thought of 3 different ways individuals and lenders could bilk the government with his plan. It would cost billions to administer and oversee. Buying bad mortgages at face value from these companies shows how very little McCain understands the problem.
All an unscrupulous person would need is a unethical appraiser, a straw party, and a copy machine.
Perhaps it's a little too simple that it's being overlooked, but taking Obama's statement of "spread the wealth" as a GOTCHA! moment, as if he was actually talking about redistributing wealth, is real stretch. Anyone else out there agree?
It was pretty obvious, in my opinion, that he meant it in the same vein as when someone says "spread the love". When someone says spread the love they are hardly talking about taking away from you any portion of your emotion of love and handing it out to others. Obama even prefaced this in a couple sentences prior that he wants to give the people behind him the same chance at success.
Taking this one statement and calling it a "redistribution of wealth" is a gross manipulation of a small statement. He was not proposing a policy, he was merely stating that the current tax structure could be better balanced so that it's less a burden on people and businesses with lesser means and income-- NOT an actual demand for taking possession OF and redistributing anything. Why isn't anyone pointing this out? Specially the Obama campaign? I mean, if we are taking pot shots and framing any tiny statement and creating a whole misleading world out of it as if it were a candidate's policy, then the same should be dug up and re-applied to Sarah "Cheesesteak" Palin when she was asked by that college student at the cheesesteak stand and she said she was FOR going into Pakistan to take out Bin laden-- her foreign policy is to launch strikes against Pakistan, right?
Is this too simple to refute these ridiculous socialism-redistribute-the-wealth attacks?
He's right on both counts.
a.) it is socialism. he tried to back off a bit and say it's liberal, but it's not liberal. it's to the left of liberal which is socialism. wealth redistribution requires faith in the state, power in the state, to steal and to give. but is is, at it's core, about theft.
liberalism, is, at its core, about limited government. about self-determination. about non-intervention. about self-reliance. "liberals" do not believe this, for the most part, today. they are not in fact liberals. they are socialists. they believe, fully, in the concept of stealing, and giving.
well...the increasing divide between rich and poor is a problem. if it gets too bad, you get France and guillotines.
b.) the bailout was socialist. it was to prevent a cataclismic collapse of the economy due to excessive IMPROPER regulation that propped up companies to the point they became "too big to fail".
So of course, the people (taxpayers) who had nothing to do with the bad decisions of these companies will be robbed in order to prop them up. They should be mad. Bad politicians. If these companies went out of business or were hit with heavy losses at least, only their shareholders would be punished. And *THEN* may shareholders would be more responsible. So many ignore their responsibility when they get proxies to submit, or never go to shareholder meetings. If you're gonna own a business, gotta run the business.
Goddamn vote out the fucking incumbents. All of them. Don't know how to run business and sure as shit fuck up anyone else's ability to do so while they can't run a country. Unreal.
We have a socialist police department. No one is dependent on a police insurance policy to obtain police services. I think the problem here is the fiscal ideologue that is so sure of their theory that they refuse to acknowledge the data that contradicts the theory.
Nowhere is this more obvious than health care. According to Pres. Clinton, when speaking on Letterman, our system costs 16% of GDP and doesn't cover everyone, whereas our allies have (single payer) systems that cost 11% of GDP and cover everyone. The fiscally conservative approach is to copy a cheaper system that does more. But, the "let the marketplace decide" ideologues prevail, and we stick with a system that focuses on enhancing shareholder value rather than patient health and we scratch our butts wondering why the cost increases double the rate of inflation.
In the case of socializing the financial system, lets review what happened:
(1.) Mortgage originators sell mortgages with one or more of the following: teaser rates, no income verification, interest only, and/or no recourse covenants.
(2.) The notes are sold to investment banks who bundle the mortgages into securities
(3.) Theses mortgage backed securities are graded "AAA" so that they can be sold for more than they are worth, creating the profit in the scheme. (Without this grading, the sub-prime lending would have ground to a halt. Had the securities been correctly graded as junk bond, the profit in the scheme wouldn't have materialized.)
(4.) Mortgage originators create as many mortgages as they can, because they're realizing a profit as soon as the mortgage is sold to the investment bank for bundling.
So, we've gone commie because of this scheme. But, where is the investigation into whether the investment banks and the rating agencies colluded to grade these securities as "AAA" with knowledge that they weren't entitled to such a rating, in order to defraud investors. I think the whole socialism debate is a red herring to deflect attention to the possibility that a crime may have been committed.
But to get back to the socialism issue, sometimes it works, such as health care, and sometimes it doesn't. The fiscal ideologue is incapable of determining which case applies. And, of course, there are those who only favor socialism in those cases where it benefits the upper crust.
Instead of voting "present"-as is his way of doing things- Obama also VOTED FOR THE BAILOUT
He also votes for INFANTICIDE.
He is a Socialist.
Case FN closed.
Google the Black Theology.
Marxist.
He's not Black- like African American.
But the polls say that 95% of Blacks will vote for Obama-
(Colin Powell got Black today)
Cheap stupid.
Black people are SMARTER than this.
I went with 7 of my Black friends to their church last week- and the Pastor and the congregation- tore DOWN Obama on his tenets.
They are FEARFUL of him and his angry wife!
And their America hating associates.
wow. angry wife. back to talking points are we?
who are the america hating associates? rev wright? 20 minutes = 20 years? stretch my belief further, will you?
you mean bill ayers? when did they discuss unamerican themes? what i know is they sought to reform public school education under a republican sponsor.
infanticide? there was already a law in existence that would prevent live births from dying. there are already laws on murder/homicide.
you say he is a socialist. i say he is not. btw, i've lived in a socialist country, it's a whole lot better than this. so many ignorant people all around a supposedly 1st world country.
stop spewing hate.
"McCain calls Obama a Socialist, but McCain voted for the Bail Out and wants to spend government money on the mortgage crisis."
Ok... so the point you're making is that McCain is a socialist TOO?
Your "choices" America: neo-liberal Keynesian on the LEFT, or neo-liberal Keynesian on the RIGHT.
Look, socialism LOOKS good on paper... but inevitably, it devolves into a small room of people, who only PRESUME themselves to be "elite" enough to make central planning decisions about YOUR RESOURCES, making those decisions without fear of reprisals and accountability.
NONE OF YOU HAVE EVER LIVED IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY!
The very INSTANT our government usurped it's power, and gave control of creating the currency over to the BANKS, we stopped being a "free market" economy. That was nearly one hundred years ago!
How has the socialist experiment worked out so far?
We still have "liquidity crises". We still have market collapses.
But the major difference has been, like Great Britain after the creation of IT'S central bank in 1692, we THINK we're able to finance wars of imperialism.
And why not? If YOU were the central bank, wouldn't YOU over-finance The United States... if the COLLATERAL for that financing was... THE UNITED STATES?!?!
And what then, is the end result?
MOST people don't actually OWN THEIR HOMES anymore! MOST people in this country now "own" a payment book, and fifteen to thirty years of enslavement to a BANK!
Way to go, "socialism"...
Must suck to be the Butt boy of the republican party, John McCain, whipping boy 2008.
Chris Wallace needs to be Jailed, along with any other TV hack that supported the illegality's of the past decade. Does any1 know what I mean, my God.
Sure Alicia Silverstone is too old to reprise her role but John McLame is set to go! Now on campaign! Clueless II!
John seems to think that conservatism is the only rule.
He doesn't read the New Testament often enough nor does his Pastor Hagee present John the teachings of Jesus.
I am sure he has been redistrubuting wealth as a Senator in behalf of lobbyist for 26 years.
Right, my friend.........?
he cant even be consistent. that's the problem if you graduated the bottom of a class of 900. wouldnt entrust the economy to someone who cant (and does not have the capacity to) understand it.
the reason why people got so rich is because the middle class was consuming a lot. if you kill the middle class then NOBODY will get rich.
i'm tired of the rich not paying for the protection they are getting from the government. they have more to lose so they should pay more.
I'm getting really tired of the McSame camp's characterizing the notion that "redistribution of wealth" is socialism. Taxation redistributes wealth, and I haven't heard McSame saying we could have a USA with no taxes. And "trickle-down" economics sure seems like a form of redistribution of wealth. McSame is grasping at straws, and the angry ways in which he'd doing it are not becoming a presidential candidate.
The rich in this country get the middle class and the poor all worked up over a term they don't understand....socialism. Meantime, they are busy setting up a thousand "welfare programs" that enrich and support their class at the expenses of all of us.
Wall Street bailout
Halliburton no-bid contracts
The poor and middle-class fighting the war while uppe-class profits
Paid lobbyists buying special interest influence from OUR representative.
So, folks, don't be afraid of socialism. You are living it every day.
It's just a matter of who is getting the goodies that is different.
Jesus Christ! Spread the wealth around DOES NOT mean the same thing as redistribute wealth. We've been redistributing wealth upwards for decades. We need to spread it around and stop allowing the top 1% or 2% hoard it all.
This man is either seriously demented or is on so many lieing paths he just can't keep them straight!
They are always crying SOCIALISM for the smallest new regulation or minor funding program. Have they actually been educated on what socialism actually is or are they actually that ignorant. I've heard some people refer to this bailout as partial nationalization, but then that was at heart a REPUBLICAN plan. Near as I can tell, most Democrats love running and patronizing private business. Do you know a single Democrat who would want government run car companies, coffe shops or anything in between? Even in health care its just the insurance that the most radical would want government control of, I'm not sure if even the Naderists want the Fed controlling doctor-level business.
Until few days ago I was pretty independent. Then with all the negative tactics and lies from Republicans, I started leaning towards Obama, but still fairly independent, with deep respect for McCain. I always thought that it is his campaign that is doing all these negative things. However, today on his interview today, he confirmed that he is no longer the same guy. He really switches his statements for his benefit. How can he lead a country? Sorry McCain. you lost my vote by just supporting your campaign's ideas of negative campaigning.
A great cartoon lambasting this phenomenon on the Reasons To Be Cheerful, Part 3 blog...
mccain is pointing his finger at the wrong person of blame. he needs to redirect that fat finger towards himself and the rest of the gop.
instead, this "bail out" is called "corporatism": the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction (merriam-webster online dictionary). similar to italin corporatism ". . .would instead better recognize or 'incorporate' every divergent interest as it stands alone into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration behind their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion (wikipedia).
Dear ignorant readers,
Voting for the bailout is not socialist. I was against the bailout but that is another story. Obama's redistribution of wealth is what makes him a socialist.
That is all.
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